Archive-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:37:15 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01c018fa$d12aaf20$2c0110ac@sysman-home.deltatel.ru> From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: Digest Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:38:27 +0400 Hi All! I have a mail-list: $ mcp sho list xxxxxxxxxxxxx Mailing lists: Name: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Owner: "zzzz@dom.com" Maximum recipients per single message taken from MLF setting. Reply-to: List, Sender Add message: MX_MLIST_DIR:xxxxxxxxx_ADD.TXT Description: bbbbbbbbbbbbb Errors-to: zzzz@dom.com Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther Private list: No Case sensitive: No Digest support: Yes Hide /ERRORS_TO address: Yes Copy post errors to /ERRORS_TO address: No Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD:RWED) No List-* headers Default settings: MAIL,REPRO,NOCONCEAL,NODIGEST,POST I sent a mail with : subscribe/digest/notify $ pipe mcp review xxxxxxxxxxxxx | search sys$pipe laishev "Ruslan R. Laishev" (NOCASE) Why the digest option is ignored ? TIA. + Cheers, SysMan at DLS. www.dls.net - "Connecting with Care" www.radiusvms.com - RADIUS-VMS project ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:43:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:43:03 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000907134303.202000b6@goatley.com> Subject: RE: Digest "Ruslan R. Laishev" writes: > > I sent a mail with : >subscribe/digest/notify > >$ pipe mcp review xxxxxxxxxxxxx | search sys$pipe laishev > "Ruslan R. Laishev" (NOCASE) > > Why the digest option is ignored ? > Because it is. 8-) SUBSCRIBE doesn't support all the various qualifiers. IIRC, you have to send a second message that does SET DIGEST. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:53:06 -0700 Message-ID: <007501c018fd$0b2a7be0$2c0110ac@sysman-home.deltatel.ru> From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: Re: Digest Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:54:24 +0400 >"Ruslan R. Laishev" writes: >> >> I sent a mail with : >>subscribe/digest/notify >> >>$ pipe mcp review xxxxxxxxxxxxx | search sys$pipe laishev >> "Ruslan R. Laishev" (NOCASE) >> >> Why the digest option is ignored ? >> >Because it is. 8-) > >SUBSCRIBE doesn't support all the various qualifiers. IIRC, you have >to send a second message that does SET DIGEST. Thanks, Hunter! > >Hunter >------ >Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ > http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:34:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20000921183403.21060.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 21 Sep 00 13:34:03 CDT From: Michael Angello Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM Subject: MXSUM Usage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I need to get some statistics about MX usage, I have already gotte= n = the MXSUM, but I can't find the way it should be used. I am using MX V4.2. Any comments about it will be appreciated. Thanks in advance!. Mike. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home= =2Enetscape.com/webmail ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:17:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:17:24 -0500 From: Rick Dyson Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu Message-ID: <009F07AA.9017899A.4@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> Subject: Long VMS TO: & CC: Headers Greetings! I had a question from a user as to why not all the addresses are included in the VMS TO: or CC: headers for some MX messages. I looked around to see if I could find the answer. I do know there is a X-MX-Warning header added due to these long lists. I found this in the on-line MX docs: A.1.2 The VMS MAIL To and CC headers will list only the users on the local system receiving the message. To see the actual list of recipients, examine the To, CC, and BCC lines in the RFC 822 headers. However, I wonder if this is correct. I have made a test distribution list of lots of my different e-mails. Granted, some are different nodes in the same cluster that all pour into the same mailbox, but a few are clearly not "users on the local system" yet they are in the VMS CC:/TO: header but others are not. The full RFC 822 headers at the bottom do contain the entire list. I also had the distribution file be the contents of the mail message. I'll append my test message below. In this example there were only 7 addresses in the VMS CC: header, however the distribution file has 18 addresses. The 6 of the 7 addresses listed in the VMS CC: header are non-OpenVMS boxes. The 7th one is an OpenVMS box of mine in another part of the country. The 11 addresses left off the VMS CC: header are all OpenVMS boxes locally here, but some are stand-alone or in one of three different clusters. Does anyone know why or how the addresses are picked to be left in and which are left out of the VMS headers? Is there a reason there is only a subset of the addresses put in the VMS headers? Do they have a limitation? [I hope I don't regret posting this list of my own e-mail addresses since this list is also gatewayed through USENET...] Regards, Rick -- Richard L. Dyson rick-dyson@UIowa.EDU From: MX%"dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu" "Rick Dyson" 21-SEP-2000 22:46:01.49 To: MX%"dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu" CC: MX%"dyson@photon.gsfc.nasa.gov",MX%"tamithompson@home.com",MX%"rickdyson@home.com",MX%"dyson@charity.physics.uiowa.edu",MX%"dyson@edison.physics.uiowa.edu",MX%"dyson@scat.physics.uiowa.edu",MX%"dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu" Subj: Testing again mx%"rick-dyson@uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@erebus.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@siple.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@blanc.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@comet.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@plasma.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@iowa4.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@spike.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@cp2vax.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@eiger.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@scat.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@edison.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"dyson@charity.physics.uiowa.edu" mx%"rickdyson@home.com" mx%"tamithompson@home.com" mx%"dyson@photon.gsfc.nasa.gov" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: by iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu (MX V5.1-AX An6q) id 47; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:46:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:45:59 -0500 From: Rick Dyson To: dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu CC: dyson@photon.gsfc.nasa.gov, tamithompson@home.com, rickdyson@home.com, dyson@charity.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@edison.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@scat.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@eiger.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@cp2vax.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@spike.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@iowa4.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@plasma.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@comet.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@blanc.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@siple.physics.uiowa.edu, dyson@erebus.physics.uiowa.edu, rick-dyson@uiowa.edu, dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu Message-ID: <009F07A6.2D0B01D2.47@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> Subject: Testing again X-MX-Warning: VMS Mail CC: line does not include all CC: addresses ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:47:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:44:59 +0100 From: Chris Sharman Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu, Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Message-ID: <009F07F9.DAB46BA5.17@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: RE: Long VMS TO: & CC: Headers > Does anyone know why or how the addresses are picked to be left in >and which are left out of the VMS headers? The list is trimmed to as many whole addresses as can be fitted in 255 characters, taking them simply from left to right. Are they supposed to be in the same order in the body as in the bottom cc ? They're not, and if they're supposed to be, I've no idea why not. But the top (VMS) cc is the first (nearly) 255 of the bottom cc. Chris _______________________________________________________________________ Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk http://www.ccagroup.co.uk/ CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:32:18 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:32:13 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009F07E7.4EBD9DA0.7@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: MXSUM Usage >Hello, I need to get some statistics about MX usage, I have already gotten >the MXSUM, but I can't find the way it should be used. >I am using MX V4.2. > >Any comments about it will be appreciated. I think the only comments you'll find are at the top of the source file MXSUM.MAR, which explains the reports that it generates. You'll have to enable accounting for SMTP, LOCAL, etc. to get MX to generate the raw data to feed into MXSUM. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:34:25 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:34:20 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009F07E7.9A6718BC.22@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Long VMS TO: & CC: Headers >> Does anyone know why or how the addresses are picked to be left in >>and which are left out of the VMS headers? > >The list is trimmed to as many whole addresses as can be fitted in 255 >characters, taking them simply from left to right. Correct. 255 characters is the limiting factor -- it's a VMS MAIL restriction. >Are they supposed to be in the same order in the body as in the bottom cc ? >They're not, and if they're supposed to be, I've no idea why not. >But the top (VMS) cc is the first (nearly) 255 of the bottom cc. I'll have to go back and look to be sure, but I think you're right -- the addresses that are included are entered last-to-first, rather than first-to- last. I think that was just an implementation anomaly. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:04:12 -0700 From: "Najman Kahana" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:03:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: extension to generate "I am not here" Message-ID: <39CDED9F.29284.F327C3@localhost> hello. Has anyone come up with a gimmick to offer the users the ability of generating an automatic "I am not here" reply to incoming mail ? thanks Najman =========================== Najman Kahana Hadassah University Hospital Jerusalem, Israel E-mail: Najman@hadassah.org.il =============================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:22:55 -0700 Message-ID: <39CDC895.42DC7FE@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:25:41 +0400 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: extension to generate "I am not here" References: <39CDED9F.29284.F327C3@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take a look to DELIVER package. ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/deliver.zip Najman Kahana wrote: > > hello. > > Has anyone come up with a gimmick to offer the users the ability of > generating an automatic "I am not here" reply to incoming mail ? > > thanks > > Najman > > =========================== > Najman Kahana > Hadassah University Hospital > Jerusalem, Israel > E-mail: Najman@hadassah.org.il > =============================== -- Cheers. +------------------pure personal oppinion-----------------------+ RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:12:39 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:07:03 +0300 From: rakesh@kuc01.kuniv.edu.kw Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rakesh@kuc01.kuniv.edu.kw Message-ID: <009F09B0.CBC0843A.220@kuc01.kuniv.edu.kw> Subject: Re: extension to generate "I am not here" Be very careful while installing this on Alpha VMS 7.1-2H2 (pre 7.0 OK). You may face some security problems through MAIL. The problem was seen when Deliver & Vacation were used together & due to Installation of MAIL images with previliges. Just a caution. Try your self. Best wishes, RAKESH ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:54:21 -0700 From: "Najman Kahana" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "Ruslan R. Laishev" , MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:53:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: extension to generate "I am not here" Message-ID: <39CE076A.17889.157EB55@localhost> In-Reply-To: <39CDC895.42DC7FE@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Thank you very much. I'll look at it. Najman > Take a look to DELIVER package. > > > ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/deliver.zip > > Najman Kahana wrote: > > > > hello. > > > > Has anyone come up with a gimmick to offer the users the ability of > > generating an automatic "I am not here" reply to incoming mail ? > > > > thanks > > > > Najman > > > > =========================== > > Najman Kahana > > Hadassah University Hospital > > Jerusalem, Israel > > E-mail: Najman@hadassah.org.il > > =============================== > > -- > Cheers. > +------------------pure personal oppinion-----------------------+ > RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.com > =========================== Najman Kahana Hadassah University Hospital Jerusalem, Israel E-mail: Najman@hadassah.org.il =============================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:00:01 -0700 From: "Najman Kahana" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: rakesh@kuc01.kuniv.edu.kw, MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:59:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: extension to generate "I am not here" Message-ID: <39CE08AB.8541.15CD11E@localhost> In-Reply-To: <009F09B0.CBC0843A.220@kuc01.kuniv.edu.kw> Thank you, but I am not sure I understand. Is your warning referring to the "deliver" package ? or were you referring to a different package ? This is what I received, so I don't know what you are pointing me to. Thank you Najman > Be very careful while installing this on Alpha VMS 7.1-2H2 (pre 7.0 OK). You > may face some security problems through MAIL. The problem was seen when > Deliver & Vacation were used together & due to Installation of MAIL images > with previliges. Just a caution. Try your self. Best wishes, RAKESH > =========================== Najman Kahana Hadassah University Hospital Jerusalem, Israel E-mail: Najman@hadassah.org.il =============================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:48:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c0268a$5552b580$de2c67cb@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> From: "Geoff Roberts" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: References: <39CE076A.17889.157EB55@localhost> Subject: Chinese spam filtering Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:18:33 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Getting quite a bit of this crap lately. The origins keep changing, and the html stuff is all in Chinese characters,(like the subject line, I think). I've protested to what (I think) was one of the web hosts, got one reply, also in chinese characters, so I don't know if they said 'sorry' or 'get knotted'. Any ideas on how I can make these bounce? I did note that 202.99.64.106 doesn't seem to resolve by dns, though traceroute finds it ok. (via about 8 intermediaries that also do not DNS resolve!) Return-Path: Received: from tjmail.com (202.99.64.106) by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V5.1-3 Vn8j) with SMTP for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:35:41 +0930 Received: (qmail 42089 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Sep 2000 05:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO user) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 23 Sep 2000 05:16:40 -0000 To: ghjf@kimo.com.tw From: fkfgg@ms27.url.com.tw Subject: fgk~來喔~網友看這啦~就是你~還沒買就是等妳啦~~打開夾帶檔啦~~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=cqnrluqoeggicllr Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au netcafe@tell.net.au ICQ: 1970476 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:15:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:13:54 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000924201354.206000bb@goatley.com> Subject: RE: Chinese spam filtering "Geoff Roberts" writes: > >Any ideas on how I can make these bounce? I did by rejecting anything: From: *.tw or To: *.tw I've never received legit mail from anyone in Taiwan, and figure that when that day comes, it'll be too bad. ;-) Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:58:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c0269c$6cb181e0$de2c67cb@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> From: "Geoff Roberts" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: References: <000924201354.206000bb@goatley.com> Subject: Re: Chinese spam filtering Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:28:03 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hunter Goatley" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Chinese spam filtering > I did by rejecting anything: > > From: *.tw My first thought. > or > > To: *.tw Ditto: I did the To: *.tw (seemed obvious) but not the from *.tw. Was hoping to do it a little more elegantly, but in view of the msg format, that may suffice. > I've never received legit mail from anyone in Taiwan, That's my experience too, unfortunately, on checking with staff, it appears there are some that correspond regularly with a number of .tw addressees, so that's out. If the To: line checking doesn't work, rejecting a single domain may be sufficient, as all the spams seem to have the same from lines with the bogus .kimo domain. > and figure that > when that day comes, it'll be too bad. ;-) I wish..... That would've been the simplest solution. Perhaps not surprisingly, it's the clergy staff that are the users concerned, they have brethren/missionaries etc in that part of the world it seems.... We are now using ORBS, (I think we have it set right), MX is not complaining, and the spam seems to be significantly reduced. Not a big fan of their (earlier) methods. I caught them red handed when they were still based in Canada, sending probe msgs to a Novell server that had Mercury running on it. The system was a backup for the MX system (then 4.2) and had not sent more than a dozen emails in it's short career. It had never been used to relay spam, no-one's ever tried to do that to us - yet - but they were probing it. I challenged them at the time, and they admitted they were checking for open relays. (which we had - so did most other people at the time) We have always needed to be able to accept POP/SMTP from roving users Oz wide, so we have cut off relaying for anyone outside .au, which is as close as I can get without seriously affecting my users. (Anyone in Oz spams me I'll deal with that problem myself!) We have a web based system as well (WASD Web Services for VMS's Yahmail) and many use that instead, but most prefer POP/SMTP since they have laptops. Is there any possibility an individual SMTP user authentication system might find it's way into MX in a future release? This would allow me to close off all relaying, but with individual users still being able to send mail through our server wherever they are. I've just been told that a group of staff will be visiting the US next year sometime, and they want to be able to access their mail from their laptops on the road. I can't see any way to do this without forcing them to use Yahmail (uses SSL authentification) or temporarily making it an open relay again. Any ideas? Thanks for responding! Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au ICQ: 1970476 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:49:58 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c027fb$bb3ebf20$2c0110ac@sysmanhome> From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: www.madgoat.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:52:47 +0400 Hi All! What is doing with www.madgoat.com ? Regards. http://www.DLS.net - Connecting with Care! http://www.RadiusVMS.com - RADIUS server for OpenVMS project ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:38:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:37:57 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000926163757.206000bb@goatley.com> Subject: RE: www.madgoat.com "Ruslan R. Laishev" writes: > >Hi All! > What is doing with www.madgoat.com ? > The IP address was changed, but not updated in the DNS tables. I've corrected that, but it may be a while before the change propagates out. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.goatley.com/hunter/