Archive-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1992 00:07:36 CST Sender: goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1992 00:06:20 CST From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00962F01.EC093EA0.9660@WKUVX1.BITNET> Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Last modified: 2-JUL-1992 00:40 01:26 (Created) Welcome to MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. The MX-List archives are maintained at ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.BITNET. To get a copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message with the body SEND MX-List.yyyy-mm to ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.BITNET, where "yyyy" is the year and "mm" is the numeric representation of the month. For example, the message SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992. 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If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, VAX Systems Programmer goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET Western Kentucky University Academic Computing, STH 226 (502) 745-5251 Bowling Green, KY 42101 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 11:35:40 CST Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 08:44:44 EST From: hostetler@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00963013.81A84980.3175@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu> Subject: Request for NAME_CONVERSION.C Hello, I am new to this list. The NAME_CONVERSION.C program(s) sounds interesting and possibly useful to me. Could someone please tell me where I could find the program(s) or information describing it. Thanks, Karen Hostetler VAX Systems Manager Ohio University P.S. You can spare the list by replying directly to me at: hostetler@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 16:32:39 CST Date: 02 Nov 1992 15:08:47 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Wing Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: To and CC headers To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <01GQOI5UXEK200005H@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> In the file MX_ROOT:[DOC]USER_GUIDE.TXT, it reads: A.1.2 To and CC Headers The VMS MAIL To and CC headers will list only the users on the local system receiving the message. To see the actual list of recipients, examine the To, CC, and BCC lines in the RFC 822 headers. This functionality doesn't appear to exist in MX version V2.3-1 (which is running on another VAX system), but does appear to work in V3.1 (on my system). Was this feature added at a release of MX between these two? -Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11) Systems Programmer, University Hospital, Denver ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 12:23:07 CST Sender: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 17:21:57 +0100 From: "Herve GILIBERT, Universite de St-ETIENNE." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <009631EE.180ED0C0.20286@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: Mail routing Hi MXers ! I'd like to have E-mails sent to any node on my domain to be routed through my MX node called STROPH. Setting this MX record into my DNS for the differents nodes : node1 MX 10 stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr and sending mail to node1 causes MX to loop sending the mail to itself (STROPH). I suppose I need some rewrite rules or path. Can any one help me to set it. Thanks in advance. --- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23,Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUU UUUU RFC822: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUUUU DECNET: 51.31::gilibert UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 16:10:21 CST Date: 04 Nov 1992 17:00:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Mail routing To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009631EB.20D676C0.6628@garnet.nist.gov> > I'd like to have E-mails sent to any node on my domain to be routed > through my MX node called STROPH. Setting this MX record into my DNS for > the differents nodes: > node1 MX 10 stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr > and sending mail to node1 causes MX to loop sending the mail to itself > (STROPH). > I suppose I need some rewrite rules or path. > Can any one help me to set it. This is out of my area of personal experience, but the answer seems clear. Going down the list of DEFINE PATH statements, MX eventually gets to DEFINE PATH * SMTP, looks the route up in the name server, and learns to send the mail to itself. What's called for are a list of the exceptions, known only to stroph, where the name server isn't used. I would try, for every MX record in the DNS, corresponding information in CONFIG.MCP: DEFINE PATH "node1" SMTP/ROUTE="node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" DEFINE PATH "node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" SMTP/ROUTE="node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" (Don't forget that these definitions will have to come before the DEFINE PATH * statement, which means that you can't add them to your existing MX_CONFIG.MXCFG file -- you have to rebuild it.) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 11:28:06 CST From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: MX From: field question Message-ID: <4411@winnie.fit.edu> Date: 5 Nov 92 16:25:23 GMT Sender: usenet@winnie.fit.edu To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Hi fellow MX-users, First of all, thanks to all of you who replied to my request for info on installing MX 3.1 on UCX 2.0 on VMX 5.5-1. I did install it and am pleased to announce that it works nicely. Nice documentation, too! I do have one teensie quirk that I need to get around and am turning to you because I am getting nowhere quickly. Whenever I send mail to anyone, whether within or outside my domain, the From field shows up as simply user@node with the domain info missing in both VMS and SMTP From fields. Recipients cannot simply reply to my message. The info does show up in the Sender field. I tried to fix this by adding the following logical: define/sys/exec mx_vmsmail_from_format "" This caused the SMTP version of the From field to be bogus (see below), but did not solve the problem. From: SMTP%"nicholson@iguana" To: nicholson@roo.fit.edu CC: nicholson@iguana Subj: hi Received: from iguana [192.42.239.3] by ROO.FIT.EDU with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:25 EDT Received: by IGUANA.FIT.EDU (MX V3.1C) id 44; Wed, 04 Nov 1992 14:24:54 EST Sender: nicholson@IGUANA.FIT.EDU Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 14:24:52 EST From: "Karin, FIT VAX Mgr & FlaSC DECUS LUG Chair" Reply-To: nicholson@iguana To: nicholson@roo.fit.edu CC: nicholson@iguana Message-ID: <009631D5.5AB4ECC0.44@IGUANA.FIT.EDU> Subject: hi When I added the following logical: define mx_reply_to "nicholson@iguana.fit.edu" I did get the complete address in the Reply_To field, but again both From fields just had user@node info. Is there any way to force the full internet address to show up in the From fields? If so, could someone please tell me what the magic command or configure option is? Please forgive my ignorance if the solution turns out to be blatantly obvious or right in front of my face. Incidentally, I did RTFM. Thanks in advance for your help. -- .-.| | | | | /------------------\ Karin Nicholson | |-..-.|/.-.|-..-.|*|/ < karin@zach.fit.edu > VAX Sys Mgr @ Florida Tech `-'| |`-'|\`-'| |`-'|||\ \------------------/ Florida Space Coast LUG Chair ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 12:46:11 CST Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 18:30:21 EST From: "J.C. Higgins, Sys Mgr CsVax1, UCC , Eire" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: MX From: field question To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <009632C0.D072EA20.4203@CSVAX1.UCC.IE> In a previous article, karin@zach.fit.edu wrote: >Hi fellow MX-users, > > >I do have one teensie quirk that I need to get around and am turning >to you because I am getting nowhere quickly. Whenever I send mail to >anyone, whether within or outside my domain, the From field shows up >as simply user@node with the domain info missing in both VMS and SMTP >From fields. Recipients cannot simply reply to my message. The info >does show up in the Sender field. I tried to fix this by adding the >following logical: > > define/sys/exec mx_vmsmail_from_format "" > Check MX_NODE_NAME in MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT It should be the FQDN for your host.... Hope this helps. /* PS: If this doesn't work, check to make sure that UCX is configured to use the FQDN for your host also.... FQDN == Fully Qualified Domain Name.... */ > .-.| | | | | /------------------\ Karin Nicholson > | |-..-.|/.-.|-..-.|*|/ < karin@zach.fit.edu > VAX Sys Mgr @ Florida Tech > `-'| |`-'|\`-'| |`-'|||\ \------------------/ Florida Space Coast LUG Chai r Chris. + J.C. Higgins, Sys Admin + Auditor, Computer Science Society, U.C.C. + Chris@csvax1.ucc.ie + + Chris@odyssey.ucc.ie + If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't + sccs6002@iruccvax.ucc.ie + come back to you, hunt it down and KILL it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 13:01:56 CST From: Subject: Re: distribution lists Message-ID: <1992Nov5.164449.13906@aragorn.unibe.ch> Sender: news@aragorn.unibe.ch Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <00962BA8.91F43840.2305@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:44:49 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <00962BA8.91F43840.2305@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de>, Peter Kobe writes: >Sending messages to a distribution list can be a problem, if you >use the examples given in the VMS MAIL UTILITY MANUAL page 6 and 7. >I.e if one uses comments in the the lines. [stuff deleted] >Return-Path: >Received: by PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de (MX V3.1B) id 2296; Tue, 27 Oct 1992 ^^^^^^^^^^ from the Release notes of MX 3.1C: 4 Bug Fixes MX V3.1C provides the following fixes to bugs in V3.1B: 1. MX_MAILSHR was not properly handling comments in VMS MAIL distribution files. This has been fixed. 2. ... It seems as this error got corrected in MX 3.1C, but I have not tried yet. Greetings, Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Radio Suisse Ltd, Internet: winter@vision.rs.ch Laupenstrasse 18a postmaster@vision.rs.ch 3008 Bern PSI-Mail: +22846431062::WINTER (public X.25) Switzerland X.400: C=CH; A=ARCOM; P=RS; O=DM; S=WINTER, G=MARTIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 15:02:00 CST Date: 05 Nov 1992 15:53:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: MX From: field question To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: nicholson@iguana.fit.edu, karin@zach.fit.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009632AA.F040B500.6660@garnet.nist.gov> > I do have one teensie quirk that I need to get around and am turning to > you because I am getting nowhere quickly. Whenever I send mail to anyone, > whether within or outside my domain, the From field shows up as simply > user@node with the domain info missing in both VMS and SMTP From fields. > Recipients cannot simply reply to my message. If any kind soul ever volunteers to write a FAQ post for this mailing list/ newsgroup, this answer should be near the top of the list. Here's a recent answer to the same question: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > If you will notice my original Reply-to field is wrong. The last time I tried > to change it, I really messed things up. I need it to read vax.augustana.edu. We had the same problem here. It seems to happen with UCX (at least to me, it did), and the way names are put into the local hosts database. Even though the documentation says to put the alias as the *first* entry, the proper way to do it is to use the "Fully Qualified Domain Name" (FQDN) as the first entry . You'll probably get quite a few responses on this one - it will eventually make the FAQ list. See below for example. Good luck. Mike Frohme -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ ucx sh host/local bilbo LOCAL database Host address Host name 141.225.56.13 bilbo.memst.edu, BILBO, bilbo, BILBO.MEMST.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael K. Frohme Internet: frohme@bilbo.memst.edu Center for Earthquake Research & Information Bitnet: frohmemk@memstvx1 Memphis State University PhoneNet: 901/678-2007 "... I suppose we *could* network a few tricorders together..."- Geordi ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:32:58 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <9211052323.AA18498@medina> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:23:39 -0500 From: To: MX-List%wkuvx1.BITNET@po.cwru.edu Subject: HELP Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET HELP ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 02:12:34 CST Sender: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 08:58:01 +0100 From: "Herve GILIBERT, Universite de St-ETIENNE." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0096333A.064B0D20.20523@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: Routing mails Hi MX users ! I'd like to have E-mails sent to any node on my domain (UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR) to be routed through my MX node (STROPH). Helped by Jonathan E. Hardis I set : 1) in the nameserver : rineta in mx 10 stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr 2) in config.mcp define path "rineta" smtp/route="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" define path "rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" smtp/route"rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" sending mail to rineta causes MX looping sendig mail to itself (stroph) Here my paths : STROPH $mcp show path Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr", Path=Local Domain="stroph", Path=Local Domain="[161.3.1.11]", Path=Local Domain="rineta", Path=SMTP, Route="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" Domain="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr", Path=SMTP, Route="rineta.univ-st-etienne.f r" Domain="UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR", Path=Local Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="mirsa.inria.fr" Domain="*", Path=SMTP Here the answe of my DNS : STROPH $ipncp rrfetch rineta /mx # of RRs = [00000001] MX: Pref = [0000000A] Name = [stroph.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR] here mx router log file : STROPH $type MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG;723 5-NOV-1992 12:23:03.44 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 20405 5-NOV-1992 12:23:04.37 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 5-NOV-1992 12:23:04.37 %PROCESS, Message originated in VMS Mail. 5-NOV-1992 12:23:04.46 %PROCESS, will run domain expander on envelope addresse s. 5-NOV-1992 12:23:04.66 %PROCESS, will run domain expander on message headers. 5-NOV-1992 12:23:15.62 %PROCESS, Finished VMSmail-origin preprocessing. 5-NOV-1992 12:23:15.62 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 5-NOV-1992 12:23:15.65 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 5-NOV-1992 12:23:16.34 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr err=00000000 5-NOV-1992 12:23:16.34 %FINDPATH, domain name RINETA.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR matched path pattern * ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5-NOV-1992 12:23:16.35 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr, path 2 5-NOV-1992 12:23:18.71 %PROCESS, Adding to SMTP path: . 5-NOV-1992 12:23:21.09 %PROCESS, Path SMTP gets 1 rcpts, entry number 20406 I can't figure why this path matches whith pattern * ! Does someone has any clue or can show me an another method ? Thanks in advance Herve --- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23,Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUU UUUU RFC822: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUUUU DECNET: 51.31::gilibert UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 18:32:11 CST Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 14:27:21 PST From: "John F. Sandhoff" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: syssand@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU Message-ID: <00963368.088EF3C0.26171@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU> Subject: RE: Mail routing >> I'd like to have E-mails sent to any node on my domain to be routed >> through my MX node called STROPH. > What's called for are a list of the exceptions, known only to stroph, where > the name server isn't used. > > DEFINE PATH "node1" SMTP/ROUTE="node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" > DEFINE PATH "node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" SMTP/ROUTE="node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" Almost. You need to define all possible names as LOCAL. For example, on my cluster of five CPU's here's a snippet of MCP SHOW: Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="ccvax1.ccs.csus.edu", Path=Local Domain="ccvax1.csus.edu", Path=Local Domain="ccvax1", Path=Local Domain="[130.86.89.1]", Path=Local Domain="ccvax2.ccs.csus.edu", Path=Local Domain="ccvax2.csus.edu", Path=Local Domain="ccvax2", Path=Local Domain="[130.86.89.2]", Path=Local I then use MX records in the Domain Name Service config file to point all of these machines (ccvax1, ccvax2...) to the actual machine running the SMTP_Server. And as was mentioned, ORDER IS IMPORTANT. These must come before the wildcards! Hope this helps... John F. Sandhoff, University Network Support California State University, Sacramento - USA sandhoff@csus.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 22:22:54 CST Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 11:12:36 MST From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0096334c.d393ac80.551@CEDAR> Subject: Signoff for now SIGNOFF MX-List ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 06:08:49 CST Sender: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 11:52:02 +0100 From: "Herve GILIBERT, Universite de St-ETIENNE." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <009635AD.D53C1FA0.20793@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: Routing mail Thanks to everybody for the numerous replies I got, but I didn't get any solution, I think I didn't express myself correctly, so I'll ask my question in a more general way : Many nodes (generaly workstations) on my domain (not only my cluster) are often unreachable, I'd like mails sent to those nodes, from the outside world, not to be immediatly bounced to the sender but to be "buffered" into my MX node and localy tried (for ie 48 hours) until the target node becomes reachable or bounced to the sender if it doesn't becomes in operation after 48 hours. The differents solutions I tried using MX RRs and define path command causes mails looping from and to the MX node. Does anybody has implemented a solution and can send me his MX RRs and DEF path commands ? Thanks in advance. Herve --------------------------------------------------------------------- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23,Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUU UUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUUUU DECNET: 51.31::gilibert UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 09:13:41 CST Date: 09 Nov 1992 15:58:21 +0100 From: "Alberto Meregalli (SIC)" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Routing mail To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <009635D03E60CF40.20202598@cesi.it> Herve GILIBERT writes: >The differents solutions I tried using MX RRs and define path command causes >mails looping from and to the MX node. >Does anybody has implemented a solution and can send me his MX RRs and DEF path >commands ? This is how I did: (I really don't know if this is useful for you because I am connected to the net through UUCP; I have also some UUCP rewrite rules I don't show you! Anyhow my SMTP path is internal to my domain, while UUCP goes outwards.) MX version id is: MX V3.1C Address-rewriting rules: Rewrite "<{user}@mvax1.cesi.it>" => "<""mvax1::{user}""@decvax>" #(MVAX1 is a DECnet (VMS) node on my LAN without MX on board) Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="decvax", Path=Local # my cluster alias Domain="vax6000", Path=Local # one cluster member Domain="vax8530", Path=Local # the other Domain="cesi.it", Path=Local # my domain name Domain="decvax.cesi.it", Path=Local # my vaxcluster alias fully qualified name Domain="vax6000.cesi.it", Path=Local # one vaxcluster member FQN Domain="vax8530.cesi.it", Path=Local # the other vaxcluster member FQN Domain="*.cesi.it", Path=SMTP # matches all FQN of hosts in my # domain not already treated by RR or previous paths Domain="*.UUCP", Path=UUCP Domain="*.*", Path=UUCP # I access all other RFC822-style names through UUCP Domain="*", Path=SMTP # this should catch up simple names without domain # qualification originated on the LAN I hope that can help you. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Meregalli, SIC tel. +39 2 2125 249 Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 21034 Milano Internet: meregalli@cesi.it UUCP: ...i2unix!cesi!meregalli ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 10:55:17 CST Sender: sysmail@MNSMC1 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 10:48:30 CST From: sysmail@MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: dwb@MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU, system@MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU, mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <009635A4.F4B7E700.6638@MNSMC1> Subject: smtp server/null addresses I am having trouble getting mx smtp server to accept a null address from other hosts during the smtp session. This session originates from host sam in the local domain. It connects to host MNSMC1 which is a 3100/80 running 6.5 CMUTEK and MX v 3.1C Here is the smtp session: 220 MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU MX V3.1C SMTP SERVER READY AT MON, 09 NOV 1992 10:21:03 sam: HELO sam.mnsmc.edu 250 Hello, sam.mnsmc.edu sam: Mail from: <> 501 Invalid Address: <> sam: 501, unexpected response from remote smtp server 501 Initially I thought that sam was trying to pass off mail which had a null, and therefore invalid address. However, in reading rfc 821 - SMTP and after looking at the message on the sending system the message is a undeliverable mail notification message which should have a null address to prevent looping. However, MX is erring out on any message with a null address. Can MX handle such an address, do I need to upgrade or change my configuration to enable this to happen? Thanks for your assistance, Dan. ============================================================================== Daniel W. Bick St. Mary's College of Minnesota Systems Manager sysmail@mnsmc1.mnsmc.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 16:11:56 CST Subject: Re: smtp server/null addresses Message-ID: <1992Nov9.193412.3511@news.arc.nasa.gov> From: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:34:12 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov References: <009635A4.F4B7E700.6638@MNSMC1> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <009635A4.F4B7E700.6638@MNSMC1>, sysmail@MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU writes: >220 MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU MX V3.1C SMTP SERVER READY AT MON, 09 NOV 1992 10:21:03 >sam: HELO sam.mnsmc.edu >250 Hello, sam.mnsmc.edu >sam: Mail from: <> ^-------------this is the problem >501 Invalid Address: <> >sam: 501, unexpected response from remote smtp server 501 There should be no blank between the colon and the left angle-bracket. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 20:27:28 CST Subject: RE: Mail routing Message-ID: <1dmhucINNha9@gap.caltech.edu> From: Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:33:16 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <00963368.088EF3C0.26171@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <00963368.088EF3C0.26171@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>, "John F. Sandhoff" writes: =>> I'd like to have E-mails sent to any node on my domain to be routed =>> through my MX node called STROPH. = => What's called for are a list of the exceptions, known only to stroph, where => the name server isn't used. => => DEFINE PATH "node1" SMTP/ROUTE="node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" => DEFINE PATH "node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" SMTP/ROUTE="node1.univ-st-etienne.fr" = =Almost. You need to define all possible names as LOCAL. For example, on =my cluster of five CPU's here's a snippet of MCP SHOW: = =Domain-to-path mappings: = Domain="ccvax1.ccs.csus.edu", Path=Local = Domain="ccvax1.csus.edu", Path=Local = Domain="ccvax1", Path=Local = Domain="[130.86.89.1]", Path=Local = Domain="ccvax2.ccs.csus.edu", Path=Local = Domain="ccvax2.csus.edu", Path=Local = Domain="ccvax2", Path=Local = Domain="[130.86.89.2]", Path=Local = =I then use MX records in the Domain Name Service config file to point all =of these machines (ccvax1, ccvax2...) to the actual machine running the =SMTP_Server. = =And as was mentioned, ORDER IS IMPORTANT. These must come before the =wildcards! Either you or I misunderstand his problem. As I understand it, NODE1.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR is NOT clustered with STROPH, so it CAN'T be a local delivery. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:17:35 CST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:55:47 EST From: "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: system@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT Message-ID: <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT> Subject: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines I'm using MX V3.1C, VMS 5.5-1 and i have set a personal name in VMS-mail. When i send a message out it appears as From: "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" at the unix box. Is this a valid from line ? I've had trouble suscribing to mailing lists and it turned out people couldn't use my from line, and were expecting something like From: franzi (Franz Schoenbauer) which is the from line i see when i receive mail from the unix box on VMS via MX. Is there anything i can do to change the format of the from line ? (except dropping the personal name ...) Thanks, Franz Schoenbauer, Tech. Univ. Vienna, ü schoenbauer@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at Resselg. 3/188 A-1040, Vienna, Austria ü +43(1)58801 ext. 4131 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:27:53 CST From: Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:15:17 GMT Message-ID: <1dnuj5INN3ep@gap.caltech.edu> References: <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT>, "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" writes: >I'm using MX V3.1C, VMS 5.5-1 and i have set a personal name in >VMS-mail. When i send a message out it appears as > >From: "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" ^ ^ ^ > >at the unix box. Is this a valid from line ? No. The commas aren't allowed. The basic format is fine, but you can't use special characters ("(", ")", "<", ">", "@", ",", ";", ":", "\", ".", "[", "]", or the quote character (") itself) in your personal name. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:36:59 CST Sender: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:13:45 +0100 From: "Herve GILIBERT, Universite de St-ETIENNE." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00963660.E2A62CE0.20884@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: RE: Mail routing > Either you or I misunderstand his problem. As I understand it, > NODE1.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR is NOT clustered with STROPH, so it CAN'T be a local > delivery. You are right, Carl, Node1 is not clustered with the MX node, it is generaly an UNIX station. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23,Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUU UUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUUUU DECNET: 51.31::gilibert UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:14:04 CST Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:01:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "G. Del Merritt" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU Message-ID: <0096365F298D0860.25000F09@giant.IntraNet.com> In-reply-to: UUCP%"carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU" 's message of 10-NOV-1992 06:59:46.96 >In article <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT>, "Franz >>I'm using MX V3.1C, VMS 5.5-1 and i have set a personal name in >>VMS-mail. When i send a message out it appears as >>From: "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" > ^ ^ ^ >> > >No. The commas aren't allowed. The basic format is fine, but you can't use >special characters ("(", ")", "<", ">", "@", ",", ";", ":", "\", ".", >"[", "]", or the quote character (") itself) in your personal name. Goodness; this seems quite foolish, and I know that I've seen "."'s in personal names before. Mine happens to be an example; have I been able, as a mere mortal, to break other folk's mailers with my personal name? Or have I simply taken this problem response too much out of it's original context? Parsing quoted strings is a pain, but one which (I thought) has been long and oft solved in the annals of computer science. Do you instead refer to the class of _unquoted_ personal names. Your rules on special characters make sense as exemplified by: From: My name without special characters versus: From: "My name, with special, pleasing characters..." It thus becomes the mailer's duty to decide whether or not a particular personal name requires quoting, not the poor, befuddled luser. Del Merritt del@IntraNet.com ccavax!giant!del IntraNet, Inc., 255 Washington Street, Newton, MA 02158 Voice: 617-527-7020; FAX: 617-527-6779 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:01:55 CST Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:57:42 MEZ From: Peter Kobe Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <009636A1.B2B2DF60.9917@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Subject: MX and Nameserver A question to the gurus: How does MX in combination with CMU-TeK lookup Names/Adresses? I find a Message from a user not deliverd to its destination due to an unknown address. Checking the ip-address with the CMU namesserver gives no answer. Using M.Madison's NSQUERY, I find that the main nameserver is not running, the secondary gives an answer, stating that mail should be sent via onther host My question: whom does MX ask for nameresolution to put in the correct address? Here a copy of my session: %PHOTO-I-STARTED, PHOTO V1.0-003, recording started 10-NOV-1992 15:04:31 PIB3_$ mailq Entry: 9684, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS SMTP entry #9686, status: READY Waiting for retry until: 10-NOV-1992 15:14:17.73 Recipient #1: , Route=physik.unizh.ch DNS errors=6 Last error: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host PIB3_$ipncp IPNCP> hostnam physik.unizh.ch %IPACP-E-DSNOADDR, Domain service: no addresses found for host name Host 'PHYSIK.UNIZH.CH' Full Name = '' %IPACP-E-DSNAMERR, Domain service: name error (no such name) IPNCP> CRTL-Z PIB3_$ Type sys$manager:namres.config ; NAMRES.CONFIG ; ; DOMAIN_ERVER:domain:servername:address:port Domain_Server:.:NIC.RHRZ.Uni-Bonn.de.:131.220.16.220:53 Domain_Server:.:work1.rhrz.uni-bonn.de.:131.220.16.10:53 ; PIB3_$ nsquery physik.unizh.ch NIC.RHRZ.Uni-Bonn.de. %NSQUERY-I-TRYNS, trying address 131.220.16.220... %NSQUERY-E-NSOPNERR, error opening connection to name server -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout %NSQUERY-F-NOCONTACT, name server could not be contacted PIB3_$ nsquery physik.unizh.ch WORK1.RHRZ.Uni-Bonn.de. %NSQUERY-I-TRYNS, trying address 131.220.16.10... %NSQUERY-I-QUERYOK, query operation completed successfully QUERY #1: QName=PHYSIK.UNIZH.CH., QType=255, QClass=1 ANSWER #1: PHYSIK.UNIZH.CH., NS, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, NS=forty2.physik.unizh .ch. ANSWER #2: PHYSIK.UNIZH.CH., NS, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, NS=caprice.physik.uniz h.ch. ANSWER #3: PHYSIK.UNIZH.CH., NS, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, NS=lasersun.physik.uni zh.ch. ANSWER #4: PHYSIK.UNIZH.CH., SOA, INTERNET, 0 23:56:54 Primary NS: forty2.physik.unizh.ch. Responsible: postmaster.forty2.physik.unizh.ch. Serial=39, Refresh= 0 01:00:00, Retry= 0 00:10:00 Expire= 41 16:00:00, Minimum= 1 00:00:00 ANSWER #5: PHYSIK.UNIZH.CH., MX, INTERNET, 0 01:10:15, Pref=5, Exch=forty2.ph ysik.unizh.ch. AUTHOR #1: physik.UNIZH.CH., NS, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, NS=forty2.physik.unizh .ch. AUTHOR #2: physik.UNIZH.CH., NS, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, NS=caprice.physik.uniz h.ch. AUTHOR #3: physik.UNIZH.CH., NS, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, NS=lasersun.physik.uni zh.ch. ADDTNL #1: forty2.physik.unizh.ch., A, INTERNET, 0 01:10:15, Addr=130.60.160. 4 ADDTNL #2: caprice.physik.unizh.ch., A, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, Addr=130.60.80. 12 ADDTNL #3: lasersun.physik.unizh.ch., A, INTERNET, 0 01:09:58, Addr=130.60.80 .20 Thanks Peter ===================================================================== Peter Kobe Internet: system@pib1.physik.uni-bonn.de Physikalisches Institut HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM Universitaet Bonn Tel: (49) 228 73 3222 D 53 Bonn FAX: (49) 228 73 7869 Nussallee 12 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:58:18 CST Sender: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:25:42 +0100 From: "Herve GILIBERT, Universite de St-ETIENNE." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0096368C.76D39EE0.20962@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: Routing mail After further investigations it seems MX is not discarding MX RRs pointing to itself, here my config and my tests, can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong ? I send a mail from the node CISM.UNIV-LYON1.FR (outside my domain) to the node RINETA.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR (My domain), MX is running on STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR, for the test No mailer is running on RINETA (I hope MX to try to send mail to RINETA until It decides that it cannot deliver mail) RINETA's RRs : STROPH $ipncp rrfetch rineta /mx # of RRs = [00000002] MX: Pref = [00000000] Name = [RINETA.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR] MX: Pref = [0000000A] Name = [stroph.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR] STROPH $ipncp rrfetch rineta /wks # of RRs = [00000001] WKS: Protocol = [0000301A] MX paths : STROPH $mcp show path Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr", Path=Local Domain="stroph", Path=Local Domain="[161.3.1.11]", Path=Local Domain="UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR", Path=Local Domain="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr", Path=SMTP, Route="rineta.univ-st-etienne.f r" Domain="rineta", Path=SMTP, Route="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" Domain="[161.3.1.13]", Path=SMTP, Route="[161.3.1.13]" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="mirsa.inria.fr" Domain="*", Path=SMTP Router's log files (1st and 2nd) 10-NOV-1992 10:37:20.97 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 20915 10-NOV-1992 10:37:21.34 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 10-NOV-1992 10:37:21.34 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 10-NOV-1992 10:37:21.37 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 10-NOV-1992 10:37:21.46 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr err=00000000 10-NOV-1992 10:37:21.47 %FINDPATH, domain name RINETA.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR matched path pattern RINETA.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR 10-NOV-1992 10:37:21.52 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr, path 2 10-NOV-1992 10:37:21.80 %PROCESS, Adding to SMTP path: . 10-NOV-1992 10:37:22.66 %PROCESS, Path SMTP gets 1 rcpts, entry number 20916 ----------- 10-NOV-1992 10:38:07.36 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 20917 10-NOV-1992 10:38:08.24 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 10-NOV-1992 10:38:08.37 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 10-NOV-1992 10:38:08.46 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 10-NOV-1992 10:38:08.62 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr err=00000000 10-NOV-1992 10:38:08.63 %FINDPATH, domain name RINETA.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR matched path pattern RINETA.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR 10-NOV-1992 10:38:08.64 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr, path 2 10-NOV-1992 10:38:08.92 %PROCESS, Adding to SMTP path: . 10-NOV-1992 10:38:10.02 %PROCESS, Path SMTP gets 1 rcpts, entry number 20918 SMTP server's log files : STM[4]: Send "220 STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR MX V3.1 SMTP server ready at Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:37:15 +0100" STM[4]: Receive "HELO CISM.UNIV-LYON1.FR" STM[4]: Send "250 Hello, CISM.UNIV-LYON1.FR" STM[4]: Receive "MAIL FROM:" STM[4]: Send "250 MAIL command accepted." STM[4]: Receive "RCPT TO:" STM[4]: Send "250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" STM[4]: Receive "DATA" STM[4]: Send "354 Start mail input; end with ." STM[4]: Receive "Received: from cism.univ-lyon1.fr by cism.univ-lyon1.fr (PMDF # 3026 ) id" STM[4]: Receive " <01GQZF01OEE88WXDZC@cism.univ-lyon1.fr>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:3 3:54 +0200" STM[4]: Receive "Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:33:54 +0200" STM[4]: Receive "From: GILIBERT@cism.univ-lyon1.fr" STM[4]: Receive "Subject: Essai" STM[4]: Receive "To: gilibert@rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" STM[4]: Receive "Message-id: <01GQZF01OO1U8WXDZC@cism.univ-lyon1.fr>" STM[4]: Receive "X-Envelope-to: gilibert@rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" STM[4]: Receiveeive "MIME-version: 1.0" STM[4]: Receive "Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT" STM[4]: Receive "" STM[4]: Receive "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" STM[4]: Receive "." STM[4]: Send "250 Message received and queued." STM[4]: Receive "QUIT" STM[4]: Send "221 STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR Service closing transmission channel " STM[4]: Receive "QUIT" ------- STM[3]: Send "220 STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR MX V3.1 SMTP server ready at Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:38:02 +0100" STM[3]: Receive "HELO STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR" STM[3]: Send "250 Hello, STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR" STM[3]: Receive "MAIL FROM:" STM[3]: Send "250 MAIL command accepted." STM[3]: Receive "RCPT TO:" STM[3]: Send "250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" STM[3]: Receive "DATA" STM[3]: Send "354 Start mail input; end with ." STM[3]: Receive "Received: from CISM.UNIV-LYON1.FR by STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR (MX V3.1) with" STM[3]: Receive " SMTP; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:37:18 +0100" STM[3]: Receive "Received: from cism.univ-lyon1.fr by cism.univ-lyon1.fr (PMDF # 3026 ) id" STM[3]: Receive " <01GQZF01OEE88WXDZC@cism.univ-lyon1.fr>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:33:54" STM[3]: Receive " +0200" STM[3]: Receive "Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:33:54 +0200" STM[3]: Receive "From: GILIBERT@cism.univ-lyon1.fr" STM[3]: Receive "Subject: Essai STM[3]: Receive "To: gilibert@rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" STM[3]: Receive "Message-ID: <01GQZF01OO1U8WXDZC@cism.univ-lyon1.fr>" STM[3]: Receive "X-Envelope-to: gilibert@rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" STM[3]: Receive "X-VMS-To: IN%"gilibert@rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr"" STM[3]: Receive "MIME-version: 1.0" STM[3]: Receive "Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT" STM[3]: Receive "" STM[3]: Receive "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" STM[3]: Receive "." STM[3]: Send "250 Message received and queued." STM[3]: Receive "QUIT" STM[3]: Send "221 STROPH.UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR Service closing transmission channel " STM[3]: Receive "QUIT" Why MX is looping, trying to send to itself ? Am I interpreting correctly the RFC 974 ? Can any mail Guru help me ? Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23,Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUU UUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUUUU DECNET: 51.31::gilibert UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:43:30 CST From: Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines Message-ID: <1992Nov10.180517.11433@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT>,<1dnuj5INN3ep@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:05:17 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1dnuj5INN3ep@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: >In article <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT>, "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" writes: >>I'm using MX V3.1C, VMS 5.5-1 and i have set a personal name in >>VMS-mail. When i send a message out it appears as >> >>From: "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" > ^ ^ ^ >> > >>at the unix box. Is this a valid from line ? > >No. The commas aren't allowed. The basic format is fine, but you can't use >special characters ("(", ")", "<", ">", "@", ",", ";", ":", "\", ".", >"[", "]", or the quote character (") itself) in your personal name. Uh, actually the answer is Yes. MX_MAILSHR scans your VMS MAIL personal name and quotes it if it contains one of the "specials", as it did in the above From: line. That makes it OK. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:45:03 CST From: Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines Message-ID: <1992Nov10.175955.11300@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:59:55 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0096365E.615FEA60.12219@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT>, "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" writes: >I'm using MX V3.1C, VMS 5.5-1 and i have set a personal name in >VMS-mail. When i send a message out it appears as > >From: "Franz Schoenbauer,Computer Science,Vienna,Austria, +43-1-58801-4126" > > >at the unix box. Is this a valid from line ? Yes. It's actually two lines, though. >I've had trouble suscribing to mailing lists and it turned out >people couldn't use my from line, and were expecting something >like > >From: franzi (Franz Schoenbauer) > >which is the from line i see when i receive mail from the unix >box on VMS via MX. That is technically valid, too (provided for "franzi" you actually have a valid "user@host"-type address). I suspect that the problem is that the mailing lists that are having problems are having them because your address spans multiple lines. If you were to shorten your personal name (make it just your name, for example, leaving the rest of the information to a signature file), you would probably have an easier time. BTW, it appears that the software that gateways the MX-List mailing list to the vmsnet.mail.mx newsgroup (which is where I read this stuff) also has problems with your From: line, most likely because it spans multiple lines. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:40:34 CST From: Subject: Re: MX and Nameserver Message-ID: <1992Nov10.181328.11651@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <009636A1.B2B2DF60.9917@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:13:28 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <009636A1.B2B2DF60.9917@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de>, Peter Kobe writes: >A question to the gurus: >How does MX in combination with CMU-TeK lookup Names/Adresses? For CMU-Tek V6.4, MX does its own DNS lookups for MX records. For later versions of CMU-Tek, it will use NAMRES for all DNS lookups, including MX record lookups. However, the SYSGEN parameter MAXBUF must be set to at least 2300 for this to work. If MAXBUF is set correctly, try turning on debugging in MX_SMTP and see if the resulting trace helps you determine what's going on. If there's any debugging stuff you can turn on in NAMRES, that might help as well. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:54:58 CST Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:55:46 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00963690.AA79D4E0.14306@swdev.si.com> Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines Matthew Madison (madison@tgv.com) writes: >BTW, it appears that the software that gateways the MX-List mailing list >to the vmsnet.mail.mx newsgroup (which is where I read this stuff) also has >problems with your From: line, most likely because it spans multiple lines. When I read the RFC, it apeared to say that folded lines were perfectly legitimate and that they are supposed to be handled by RFC-compliant mailers. Is it, then, that the gateway isn't RFC-compliant? -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:04:17 CST From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: brother Message-ID: Date: 10 Nov 92 02:34:39 GMT Sender: (Richard Sigel) To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET My brother goes to SUNY ALBANY and is on the VAX/VMS system there. He told me as part of his address I should put it in Quotation marks, and add a *in %* (without asterisks) after it. should I do this? Or should I just send it like ms4468@ALBNYVMS.BITNET Thank you for any help. Also, how do I send to his VAX without using Bitnet, or that can't be done? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:48:32 CST From: Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines Message-ID: <1992Nov10.223407.14811@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <00963690.AA79D4E0.14306@swdev.si.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:34:07 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <00963690.AA79D4E0.14306@swdev.si.com>, "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" writes: >Matthew Madison (madison@tgv.com) writes: > >>BTW, it appears that the software that gateways the MX-List mailing list >>to the vmsnet.mail.mx newsgroup (which is where I read this stuff) also has >>problems with your From: line, most likely because it spans multiple lines. > >When I read the RFC, it apeared to say that folded lines were perfectly >legitimate and that they are supposed to be handled by RFC-compliant mailers. >Is it, then, that the gateway isn't RFC-compliant? There isn't really an RFC for this sort of gateway. But if you mean that it's not handling legitimately constructed multi-line RFC822 headers, then the answer is yes. And if your next question is "is that OK?" the answer is probably no. I've CC'd Mark Berryman on this. Care to comment, Mark? -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:49:05 CST Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:41:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Routing mail To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009636A7.E0B205C0.6829@garnet.nist.gov> > MX paths : > > STROPH $mcp show path > > Domain-to-path mappings: > Domain="stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr", Path=Local > Domain="stroph", Path=Local > Domain="[161.3.1.11]", Path=Local > Domain="UNIV-ST-ETIENNE.FR", Path=Local > Domain="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr", Path=SMTP, > Route="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" > Domain="rineta", Path=SMTP, Route="rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr" > Domain="[161.3.1.13]", Path=SMTP, Route="[161.3.1.13]" > Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" > Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="mirsa.inria.fr" > Domain="*", Path=SMTP This method has a hidden premise: if a host (such as rineta.univ...) has both MX and A records in the name server, a mailer should give precidence to the MX address. That's how remote hosts know to send mail for rineta to stroph, even though it could also look up the IP address of rineta itself. So why should stroph act any differently? When it does the address resolution for Route=rineta.univ-st-etienne.fr, it will also use the MX record over the A record. In other words, in this application you can't use the name server at all (without getting a loop). As an alternative, try "hard wiring" the IP address into the configuration, Domain="rineta...", Path=SMTP, Route="[161.3.1.13]" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:26:43 CST Sender: heigl@net.ipp-garching.mpg.de Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:16:42 EST From: "Monica Heigl Tel. 089/3299-2594" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00963722.14BDD7C0.23296@net.ipp-garching.mpg.de> Subject: SIGNOFF Please unsubscribe me from this list. Heigl@net.ipp-garching.mpg.de ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:20:29 CST Sender: e2pysou@fre.fsu.umd.edu Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:44:04 EST From: Bill Southerly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: e2pysou@fre.fsu.umd.edu Message-ID: <0096372E.4923BAA0.8853@fre.fsu.umd.edu> Subject: Mail Delivery Problem I need some help. I have recently joined this list and my reading of the questions and answers would indicate that most of the group are experienced programmers. As you may guess I am not. I am a list manager that uses the MX software who is looking for some assistance with the problems that I occasionally encounter. My computer support personnel are excellent, however, she (yes just one) is simply overworked. Thus, my need for the groups help. We are using Message Exchange V3.0. I have looked at the documentation and I am most willing (and look forward) to learn, but it will be a slow process. The problem that follows has been a recurrent one for my list for this address. My guess is that it is a simple problem. Any help would be appreciated. If the solution is complicated I will forward a copy to my computer support person for her assistance as well. If these type of problems are not appropriate for this group, would the list owner please notify me (no flames please from others). Any suggestions for other more appropriate lists would be appreciated. Thanks. ****************************************************************************** From: MX%"postmaster%SNYBUFVA.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU" 11-NOV-1992 02:11:33.74 To: E2PYTIPS CC: Subj: Undeliverable mail: NJE delivery failure Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:e2pytips@fre.fsu.umd.edu> Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU by fre.fsu.umd.edu (MX V3.0A) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:11:29 EST Received: from SNYBUFVA.BITNET by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7115; Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:09:57 EST Received: from Jnet-DAEMON by SNYBUFVA.BITNET (PMDF #3312 ) id <01GQZ0V7LPDCAR410I@SNYBUFVA.BITNET>; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:05:19 EDT Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: PMDF Mail Server Subject: Undeliverable mail: NJE delivery failure To: e2pytips@fre.fsu.umd.edu Message-ID: <01GR0BJ09KHEAR410I@SNYBUFVA.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: e2pytips@fre.fsu.umd.edu Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message had a bad or missing To address. The entire text of the message follows: Received: From CUNYVMV2(MAILER) by SNYBUFVA with Jnet id 6619 for BMARANTZ@SNYBUFVA; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:05 EDT Received: from CUNYVM by CUNYVM.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 9847; Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:04:30 EST Received: from fre.fsu.umd.edu by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:04:27 EST Received: by fre.fsu.umd.edu (MX V3.0A) id 8743; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:13:26 EST Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:10:04 EST From: Bill Southerly Subject: An official excuse Sender: To: TIPS@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU Cc: e2pytips@fre.fsu.umd.edu Errors-to: TIPSOWNER@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU Reply-to: TIPS@fre.fsu.umd.edu Message-id: <009636D5.B8102C40.8743@fre.fsu.umd.edu> X-ListName: TIPS@fre.fsu.umd.edu ******************************************************************************** * BILL SOUTHERLY INTERNET: E2PYTIPS@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU * * DEPT. OF PSYCHOLOGY BITNET: E2PYTIPS%FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU@ * * FROSTBURG STATE UNIVERSITY CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU * * FROSTBURG, MARYLAND USA 21532 PHONEMAIL: (301) 689-4193 * ******************************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:59:56 CST Subject: New mail announcement broadcast to users should be clusterwide Message-ID: <1992Nov11.165031.2823@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:50:31 GMT Sender: (USENET 'No news is bad news' News System) To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET We have installed MX3.1C on VMS 5.5-1 . The MX processes are running only on our boot node in the LAVC cluster. The new mail flag in UAF is set correctly, but the broadcast is sent only to the logged in terminals of the corresponding user at the boot node and not to this user clusterwide as what is expected like VMS mail. This is very annoying, because our users should'nt log in on the boot server of course. Is that already a known problem? I'm new in this newsgroup. Thanks, Heribert ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:24:40 CST Subject: Re: New mail announcement broadcast to users should be clusterwide Message-ID: <1992Nov11.173802.25130@news.arc.nasa.gov> From: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:38:02 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov References: <1992Nov11.165031.2823@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1992Nov11.165031.2823@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Heribert Dahms) writes: >We have installed MX3.1C on VMS 5.5-1 . >The MX processes are running only on our boot node in the LAVC cluster. >The new mail flag in UAF is set correctly, but the broadcast is sent only >to the logged in terminals of the corresponding user at the boot node and not >to this user clusterwide as what is expected like VMS mail. This is very >annoying, because our users should'nt log in on the boot server of course. MX uses VMS MAIL for delivery of messages, and it's VMS MAIL that produces those broadcasts. It sounds to me like you don't have the MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS logical defined correctly on your boot node. It should be defined as 3 or 7. See chapter 9 of the Mail Utility Manual (part of the VMS doc set) for further information on MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:29:29 CST Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:56:56 CST From: Larry Horn Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu Message-ID: <00963749.3B21A780.4297@okra.millsaps.edu> Subject: RE: New mail announcement broadcast to users should be clusterwide >The new mail flag in UAF is set correctly, but the broadcast is sent only In your system startup command file(s): $ define/system/exec MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS 7 1: homogeneous cluster, 2: cluster breakthru, 4: time in notification --- 7 This is in the MX docs. Also, see Digital's docs for details. MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS must have 1 and/or 2 [I don't recall for sure] set (and reflect reality ) for all nodes to be notified. - ---------------------------------- signed: 11-NOV-1992 12:54 C*T (USA) --- - Larry Horn / Millsaps College / Jackson, MS / hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:36:11 CST Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:16:48 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0096373B.40C13380.15269@swdev.si.com> Subject: I need some help diagnosing an SMTP problem. I have the following message in the MX queue: $ mcp que sho/ful 15114 Entry: 15114, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 12 bytes Created: 11-NOV-1992 08:47:45.99, expires 11-DEC-1992 08:47:45.99 Last modified 11-NOV-1992 11:03:52.28 SMTP entry #15115, status: READY, size: 12 bytes, waiting for retry until 11-N OV-1992 11:34:01.29 Created: 11-NOV-1992 08:48:26.05, expires 11-DEC-1992 08:47:45.99 Last modified 11-NOV-1992 11:04:01.33 Recipient #1: , Route=aries.si.com Error count=5 Last error: %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 0C268050 Here is what the MX SMTP debug information says about it. I'm uncertain what it's telling me. Perhaps you can explain. In particular, I don't know what the "451 Loop while matching ruleset 0" message means. I conjecture it is a problem on node aries, but how can I verify that? 11-NOV-1992 11:03:51.48 Processing queue entry number 15115 on node HEINHU 11-NOV-1992 11:03:52.52 Recipient: , route=aries.si.com 11-NOV-1992 11:03:52.57 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name aries.si.com 11-NOV-1992 11:03:52.86 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with aries.si.com [126.1.1.67] 11-NOV-1992 11:03:52.88 SMTP_SEND: Connected 11-NOV-1992 11:03:53.09 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 220 aries.si.com Sendmail 920330.SGI/920502.SGI ready at Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:10:10 -0500 11-NOV-1992 11:03:54.10 SMTP_SEND: Sent: HELO heinhu.si.com 11-NOV-1992 11:03:54.13 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 aries.si.com Hello heinhu.si.com, pleased to meet you 11-NOV-1992 11:03:54.13 SMTP_SEND: Sent: MAIL FROM: 11-NOV-1992 11:03:57.17 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 451 Loop while matching ruleset 0, line 512: Connection refused by heinhu.si.com 11-NOV-1992 11:03:57.39 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=0C268050 11-NOV-1992 11:03:57.39 Recipient status=0C268050 for 11-NOV-1992 11:04:01.29 1 rcpts need retry, next try 11-NOV-1992 11:34:01.29 11-NOV-1992 11:04:01.48 *** End of processing pass *** -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:36:23 CST Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:10:57 EST From: Irv Eisen Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00963753.91D3F9C0.13586@ccstat.mc.duke.edu> Subject: RE: New mail announcement broadcast to users should be clusterwide From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:40:45 GMT Sender: (USENET 'No news is bad news' News System) References: <1992Nov11.165031.2823@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In <1992Nov11.165031.2823@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de writes: > We have installed MX3.1C on VMS 5.5-1 . > The MX processes are running only on our boot node in the LAVC cluster. > The new mail flag in UAF is set correctly, but the broadcast is sent only > to the logged in terminals of the corresponding user at the boot node and not > to this user clusterwide as what is expected like VMS mail. This is very > annoying, because our users should'nt log in on the boot server of course. > > Is that already a known problem? I'm new in this newsgroup. > > Thanks, Heribert I solved the problem by DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS 7 and restarting MX. (see Chap. 9 of the "VMS Mail Utility Manual") This solution is thanks to Matt Madison (madison@TGV.COM). The same was true for DECnet mail, but we hadn't noticed that. Heribert ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:57:06 CST Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:12:14 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0096375C.220573E0.15374@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: New mail announcement broadcast to users should be clusterwide This sounds as though you have not properly defined MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS In a cluster, you usually want it defined to be the value "7". A value of "1" says the node is part of a homogeneous cluster. "2" directs mail to broadcast the receipt message to any logged in terminal for the person (i.e. Mail uses the $brkthru system service). A value of "4" tells mail to include the tie of receipt in the broadcast message. You may combine these values by adding them together. It should be an exec mode logical in the system name table. Look in chapter 9 of the Mail Utility manual for an explanation -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:21:18 CST Subject: Re: New mail announcement broadcast to users should be clusterwide Message-ID: <1992Nov11.124148.266@cpvax.cpses.tu.com> From: robert@cpvax.cpses.tu.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: 11 Nov 92 12:41:48 CST References: <1992Nov11.165031.2823@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1992Nov11.165031.2823@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Heribert Dahms) writes: > We have installed MX3.1C on VMS 5.5-1 . > The MX processes are running only on our boot node in the LAVC cluster. > The new mail flag in UAF is set correctly, but the broadcast is sent only > to the logged in terminals of the corresponding user at the boot node and not > to this user clusterwide as what is expected like VMS mail. This is very > annoying, because our users should'nt log in on the boot server of course. > Does local VAXmail notification work correctly? What version of VMS? Make sure the logical MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS is set correctly. (Mine is 7) MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS - BIT 0 - all user disks accessable to all cluster nodes. If a node is in the cluster, just write to the mail.mai file. BIT 1 - Send new mail notification to all cluster nodes BIT 2 - include the time in the broadcast message. Your probably missing bit 1. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Eden 817-897-0491 Glen Rose, TX Comanche Peak Steam Electric Station robert@cpvax.cpses.tu.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ politicese for a nuke plant ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:36:38 CST From: Subject: Re: I need some help diagnosing an SMTP problem. Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:45:11 GMT Message-ID: <1drut7INN91n@gap.caltech.edu> References: <0096373B.40C13380.15269@swdev.si.com> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0096373B.40C13380.15269@swdev.si.com>, "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" writes: >I have the following message in the MX queue: >Here is what the MX SMTP debug information says about it. I'm uncertain what >it's telling me. Perhaps you can explain. In particular, I don't know what the >"451 Loop while matching ruleset 0" message means. I conjecture it is a problem >on node aries, but how can I verify that? It's telling you that whomever manages aries.si.com has misconfigured /usr/lib/sendmail.cf. Whatever he's done results in the address causing sendmail to go into an infinite loop. I'd suggest that you email postmaster@aries.si.com, but obviously that's not going to work since he's managed to screw up his mailer configuration. If you can find out who he is, phone him or use talk. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:38:42 CST Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:29:48 EST From: Franz Schoenbauer Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: system@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT Message-ID: <009637ED.147E5980.12538@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT> Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines Thanks for all responses. I've shortened my personal name and now my From: line is only one line. A minor question still: what do i have to do to reverse the order of appearence, i.e. instead of From: Franz Schoenbauer i'd like to have From: system@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT (Franz Schoenbauer) Is this to be done in MX or in VMSmail ? Franz Schoenbauer, Tech. Univ. Vienna, ü schoenbauer@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at Resselg. 3/188 A-1040, Vienna, Austria ü +43(1)58801 ext. 4131 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:11:12 CST Sender: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:06:10 +0100 From: "Herve GILIBERT, Universite de St-ETIENNE." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0096380B.4DAD5800.21115@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: Routing mail - Last Thanks for all responses, specialy to Earl Ake, Jonathan E. Hardis and Alberto Meregalli. I have implemented Jonathan's method : It works fines. I probably incorrectly interpreted the RFC 974 : "If the mailer is on a host which is listed as an MX for the destination host , the mailer may only deliver to an MX which as a lover preference count than its own host." Thanks again Herve --------------------------------------------------------------------- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23,Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUU UUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUUUU DECNET: 51.31::gilibert UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:34:06 CST Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:02:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "G. Del Merritt" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET, system@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT Message-ID: <009637F1AA6E4DC0.20200381@giant.IntraNet.com> In-reply-to: UUCP%"system@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT" 's message of 12-NOV-1992 04:30:28.72 >A minor question still: what do i have to do to reverse the >order of appearence, i.e. instead of >From: system@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT (Franz Schoenbauer) ^^^^^^ (see below) As a minor point, not directly related to your question: you shouldn't (99% of the time) ever be sending MAIL from VMS's "SYSTEM" or U*ix's "root". Why? First, it means your doing too much work in a privileged context, and therefore you are likely to miss details that un-priv'd users will get caught up on. To paraphrase DEC's recommendation, "Use SYSTEM only for system upgrades and special system maintenance like standalone BACKUP; create a different account for operators, normal backups, etc..." Second, some mailers routinely ignore messages from "root" (and I've seen some configured to ignore "SYSTEM") so to avoid infinite mailer loops and similar email ills. This is sometimes intentional defensive programming. Sometimes it comes that way "out of the box". Del Merritt del@IntraNet.com ccavax!giant!del IntraNet, Inc., 255 Washington Street, Newton, MA 02158 Voice: 617-527-7020; FAX: 617-527-6779 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:36:55 CST Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:00:48 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: WKUVX1.BITNET!mx-list@esseye.si.com Message-ID: <009637F1.687D8160.16305@swdev.si.com> Subject: Re: I need some help diagnosing an SMTP problem. Thanks, Carl. I contacted the aries system manager. He said, yes sendmail is screwed up, but because the system isn't going to be operational very long, he's not going to fix it. His solution is "don't send mail to aries." -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:39:59 CST Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:11:45 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: WKUVX1.BITNET!mx-list@esseye.si.com Message-ID: <009637FB.52086800.16460@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Routing mail - Last Herve GILIBERT (gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr) writes: >I probably incorrectly interpreted the RFC 974 : >"If the mailer is on a host which is listed as an MX for the destination host, >the mailer may only deliver to an MX which as a lover preference count than >its own host." Yes, in France, I expect lover preference is really important! -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:04:20 CST Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:08:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Mail Delivery Problem To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: E2PYTIPS@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0096381C.6D3DBA00.6891@garnet.nist.gov> Your question is fine for this list, if a bit unclear. Regarding the mail that fails --- where was it actually being sent to? It looks like it was being sent from "e2pytips@fre.fsu.umd.edu" to "TIPS@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU", that is, on the same host. So why (and how) did the mail get sent to CUNYVM (presumably the Bitnet gateway)? What transports (CMU/TEK, JNET, UUCP, etc.) is your MX using, and how are the path statements set up in the configuration file? In what may be a related issue, I notice in your SIG: BITNET: E2PYTIPS%FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU This requests one particular way of gatewaying mail from Bitnet to the Internet. It may not be the best way for many people on Bitnet, and the way you phrased it (CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU rather than just CUNYVM) may not work for everyone. For example, if you wanted to send mail to Bitnet you could probably use a gateway at UMD in College Park (rather than CUNYVM). When you send mail to Bitnet using MX, you should just addresss it as SOMEONE@SOMEWHERE.BITNET, and let the MX configuration take care of adding the gateway information. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:36:50 CST Subject: Re: VMS MAIL personal names / From: lines Message-ID: <1992Nov12.180644.7227@news.arc.nasa.gov> From: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:06:44 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov References: <009637ED.147E5980.12538@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <009637ED.147E5980.12538@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT>, Franz Schoenbauer writes: >A minor question still: what do i have to do to reverse the >order of appearence, i.e. instead of > >From: Franz Schoenbauer > >i'd like to have > >From: system@EIMONI.TUWIEN.AC.AT (Franz Schoenbauer) > >Is this to be done in MX or in VMSmail ? It cannot be done. The format the MX uses is the correct one; the other is an older format which is now being discouraged. The reason for that is that the leading phrase on the newer format is specifically for a personal name, and gateways between SMTP and other mail systems know that and can propagate the personal name correctly. In the older form, the comment following the address is just a comment - any number of which may appear in an address - and can't necessarily be identified as a personal name. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:12:17 CST Sender: gilibert@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:49:43 +0100 From: "Herve GILIBERT, Universite de St-ETIENNE." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <009638B9.0663AFE0.21179@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: RE: Routing mail - Last > > Yes, in France, I expect lover preference is really important! > Certainly, Brian. I can't figure myself if it's bug or a feature of my french brain ! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23,Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUU UUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUUUU DECNET: 51.31::gilibert UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 02:24:00 CST Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 10:17 +0200 From: "Hussein S. Ayad" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Need Help !! To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Is it possible to install MX to work with ALLIN1. I have also Jnet. Can somebody help. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:52:23 CST Sender: e2pysou@fre.fsu.umd.edu Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:13:06 EST From: Bill Southerly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: e2pysou@fre.fsu.umd.edu Message-ID: <00963B4A.147307A0.10832@fre.fsu.umd.edu> Subject: HELP - Undeliverable mail sent to original sender instead of listowner HELP!!! Several of you were nice enough to respond to my plea for help recently, so I will offer another problem I am having with my List. What follows are several examples of undeliverable mail messages received by a subscriber to my list. It seems that within the last month, subscribers have started to receive error messages from the mail they submit to my list. Thus, someone sends a message to the listserver, the mail is distributed successfully, then those sites that are not accessible at the time produce undeliverable mail messages that used to be routed to me alone the listowner. NOW ERROR MESSAGES ARE BEING ROUTED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SENDER OF THE MESSAGE!! As you can imagine, this is creating some major frustrations on the list and for its listowner. I have explored this problem with my computer support staff and they have no answers at the moment. They assure me that they have not changed anything recently, thus, there is no clues to why this problem has only recently emerged. Thus, I need help fast before the list is destroyed from this problem. I have included examples from several sites in a hope that the answer will help me account for this problem. Thanks in advance. ******************************************************************************* From: IN%"postmaster%SNYBUFVA.BITNET@VM.ITS.RPI.EDU" "PMDF Mail Server" 12-NO V-1992 19:47:49.96 To: IN%"WOLL%SIENA.BITNET@VM.ITS.RPI.EDU" "Robert J. Woll" CC: Subj: Undeliverable mail: NJE delivery failure Return-path: Received: from Jnet-DAEMON by SIENA.BITNET (PMDF #2499 ) id <01GR1ZOOJIUO9BVCPS@SIENA.BITNET>; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:47:15 EST Received: From RPITSVM(MAILER) by SIENA with Jnet id 8390 for WOLL@SIENA; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:47 EST Received: from RPITSVM by VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7715; Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:47:50 EST Received: from VM.ITS.RPI.EDU by VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4379; Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:47:49 EST Received: from SNYBUFVA.BITNET (SMTPUSER) by VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7713; Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:47:49 EST Received: from Jnet-DAEMON by SNYBUFVA.BITNET (PMDF #3312 ) id <01GR1TFLZ1CWAR49BQ@SNYBUFVA.BITNET>; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:47:17 EDT Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:47:17 -0400 (EDT) From: PMDF Mail Server Subject: Undeliverable mail: NJE delivery failure To: "Robert J. Woll" Message-id: <01GR2QWZGIUMAR49BQ@SNYBUFVA.BITNET> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Delivery-Notice: SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender. Message had a bad or missing To address. The entire text of the message follows: Received: From CUNYVMV2(MAILER) by SNYBUFVA with Jnet id 2688 for LGREENBE@SNYBUFVA; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:47 EDT Received: from CUNYVM by CUNYVM.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 3344; Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:46:05 EST Received: from fre.fsu.umd.edu by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:46:03 EST Received: from VM.ITS.RPI.EDU by fre.fsu.umd.edu (MX V3.0A) with SMTP; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:37:24 EST Received: from SIENA.BITNET by VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4002; Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:36:35 EST Received: from SIENA.BITNET by SIENA.BITNET (PMDF #2499 ) id <01GR2I07KVWG9BVEYS@SIENA.BITNET>; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:35:12 EST Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert J. Woll" Subject: writing skills To: tips@fre.fsu.umd.edu Errors-to: TIPSOWNER@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU Reply-to: TIPS@fre.fsu.umd.edu Message-id: <01GR2I07MRF69BVEYS@SIENA.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: tips@fre.fsu.umd.edu X-VMS-To: @TIPS X-VMS-Cc: WOLL MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-ListName: TIPS@fre.fsu.umd.edu ************************************************************************** From: IN%"Server@USCN.USCN.UGA.EDU" "Mail server" 12-NOV-1992 20:34:29.26 To: IN%"WOLL%SIENA.BITNET@VM.ITS.RPI.EDU" CC: Subj: Undeliverable mail Return-path: Received: from Jnet-DAEMON by SIENA.BITNET (PMDF #2499 ) id <01GR1ZOOJIUO9BVCPS@SIENA.BITNET>; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:33:42 EST Received: From RPITSVM(MAILER) by SIENA with Jnet id 8674 for WOLL@SIENA; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:33 EST Received: from RPITSVM by VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7740; Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:34:14 EST Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:34:12 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9608; Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:32:05 EST Received: from USCN.USCN.UGA.EDU by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) with BSMTP id 7876; Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:32:04 EST Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:32:37 -0500 (EST) From: Mail server Subject: Undeliverable mail To: WOLL%SIENA.BITNET@VM.ITS.RPI.EDU Message-id: <921112203237.018CCB47.AADE.UG@USCN.USCN.UGA.EDU> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Comment: Due to the length of the permanent file, you cannot send to notesfile Comment: "MFirment". +-------------------------------+ : Your original message follows : +-------------------------------+ Received: from USCN by USCN (inbound name server) with BSMTP; 12 Nov 92 20:31:11 EST Received: from UGA (MAILER) by USCN for via BITNet with NJF id TIPSOWNE; 12 Nov 92 20:30:35 EST Received: from UGA by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) with BSMTP id 7670; Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:27:42 EST Received: from fre.fsu.umd.edu by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:27:41 EST Errors-To: TIPSOWNER@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU X-ListName: TIPS@fre.fsu.umd.edu Received: from VM.ITS.RPI.EDU by fre.fsu.umd.edu (MX V3.0A) with SMTP; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:37:24 EST Received: from SIENA.BITNET by VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4002; Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:36:35 EST Received: from SIENA.BITNET by SIENA.BITNET (PMDF #2499 ) id <01GR2I07KVWG9BVEYS@SIENA.BITNET>; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:35:12 EST Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert J. Woll" Reply-To: TIPS@fre.fsu.umd.edu Subject: writing skills To: tips@fre.fsu.umd.edu Message-ID: <01GR2I07MRF69BVEYS@SIENA.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: tips@fre.fsu.umd.edu X-VMS-To: @TIPS X-VMS-Cc: WOLL MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:15:11 CST Subject: High router io? Message-ID: <1992Nov18.122652@lucy.merrimack.edu> From: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu Date: 18 Nov 92 17:26:52 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Sender: () To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET , 18 12:26:52 19929212:26:52 1992EST GMTLines: 18 How normal are these stats over 19hrs for a small site? 24600165 MX Router LEF 4 203646 0 00:07:06.41 16074 603 24600166 MX Local HIB 4 86091 0 00:03:50.83 19752 806 24600167 MX SMTP HIB 4 62648 0 00:02:04.76 12894 456 24600168 SMTP Server HIB 5 10637 0 00:00:45.91 6024 411 24600169 MX MLF HIB 4 51943 0 00:01:35.21 4999 894 3 io/sec for the router seems pretty high. My MX queue file always seems to be the hottest file (by far) on my system disk. I realize I could move it but I find it interesting that its hotter that stuff like the rights db. -- Rand P. Hall, System Janitor, Merrimack College, North Andover, Massachusetts Internet: rand@merrimack.edu, rand@lucy.merrimack.edu \ /\ /\ /\ /\____________________________________________________________ \/ \/ \/ \/ Abortion stops a beating heart ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:21:54 CST Sender: goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:21:00 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: rand@merrimack.edu Message-ID: <00963CD5.221FAC00.2197@WKUVX1.BITNET> Subject: RE: High router io? rand@lucy.merrimack.edu writes: > >How normal are these stats over 19hrs for a small site? > >24600165 MX Router LEF 4 203646 0 00:07:06.41 16074 603 >24600166 MX Local HIB 4 86091 0 00:03:50.83 19752 806 >24600167 MX SMTP HIB 4 62648 0 00:02:04.76 12894 456 >24600168 SMTP Server HIB 5 10637 0 00:00:45.91 6024 411 >24600169 MX MLF HIB 4 51943 0 00:01:35.21 4999 894 > That's about right. >3 io/sec for the router seems pretty high. My MX queue file always seems to be >the hottest file (by far) on my system disk. I realize I could move it but >I find it interesting that its hotter that stuff like the rights db. > There are several reasons for this. This is one of the things I hope to address soon with MX---the reorganization of the queueing system so that an indexed file is not used. No promises on when, but I should be able to start on it soon. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:39:25 CST Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:10:40 CST From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <9211202210.AA03848@ltec.com> To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: help help ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:48:09 CST Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 11:42:41 EST From: Ian Vaz Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: ian@mars.senecac.on.ca Message-ID: <00963FE3.AE718640.16774@mars.senecac.on.ca> Subject: Cannot send E-mail to UUCP gateway... Hello MX-ers, We seem to be having a problem sending e-mail to a machine "gramarye.mv.com" which is gatewayed to the Internet via "mv.mv.com"-an Internet machine. Apparently, sending e-mail to the above address used to work before, when we used CMU-TEK TCP/IP. We now use Multinet. I re-installed MX with the Multinet netlib. E-Mail everywhere else works. BTW, "mv.mv.com" is a uucp gateway machine. Now, I know that MX uses a default UUCP gateway rewrite rule, and I know that the above address, "gramarye.mv.com" does not conform to the rule..., but, it worked before. I guess some other machine on the Internet had an MX record for it and knew about how to route it ??? I am lost at this point. The sys admin at mv.mv.com says nothing has changed at his end. Is this an MX problem ? I cannot be too sure if this is the result of changing to Multinet. Any ideas ? The bounced back SMTP error follows: *************************BEGIN ERROR************************************** > To: > Subject: SMTP delivery error > > Note: this message was generated automatically. > > A problem occurred during SMTP delivery of your message. > > Error occurred sending to host gramarye.mv.com: > retry count exceeded > no such host > end of file ======================================================================== Message follows. Received: by mars.senecac.on.ca (MX V2.3) id 16597; Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:39:28 EST Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:39:28 EST From: Ian Vaz To: joe@gramarye.mv.com CC: mv-admin@mv.mv.com, ian@mars.senecac.on.ca Message-ID: <00963F54.BD664F80.16597@mars.senecac.on.ca> Subject: Another test to reach Joe at gramarye... Test from Seneca to Joe at gramarye. ********************************END ERROR *********************************** ******************************************************************* * Ian Vaz * * Seneca College * * Don Mills, Ontario * * (416) 491-5050 x 7252 * * Internet e-mail addresses: i) ian@mars.senecac.on.ca * * ii) ian@phobos.senecac.on.ca * ******************************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:58:00 CST Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:52 +0200 From: "Hussein S. Ayad" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Installation problems !? To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET I am facing a set of problems in the installation of MX 3.1: 1. I want to install MX to operate with: - Jnet 3.5 - ALL-IN-1 - UCX V1.3 Is it possible? How? Who should be activited before the other? 2. I've installed it without All-IN-1, but no msg was sent and they are spooled on my system. 3. Please let me know the logical names required and if any parameters that must be set to make it work corrcet. 4. Also, I want it to deliver the mail the nodes in our university. Thanx in advance. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:25:26 CST Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:20:21 PST From: "Bob Johns, (604)363-6520" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List%wkuvx1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu CC: bob@ccs.ios.bc.ca Message-ID: <00964090.942ACE60.370@ccs.ios.bc.ca> Subject: MX v3.1b and Digital's Message Router Does anyone know of an MX gateway for Digital's Message Router that: 1) would be usable from their Mailworks package (formerly ALL-IN-1 mail, which is not the same as their ALL-IN-1 messaging!)? 2) is in the public domain? (I already know about PMDF.) Thanks, in advance... ...Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Bob Johns | | | Manager, Central Systems & Networks | Internet: bob@ios.bc.ca | | Scientific Computing | | | Institute of Ocean Sciences | Tel : (604)363-6520 | | 9860 West Saanich Rd., Sidney, B.C. | FAX : (604)363-6390 | | Canada V8L 4B2 | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:35:50 CST Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:44:33 CST From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <9211231644.AA06756@ltec.com> To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: help help ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:01:34 CST From: leesw@logica.co.uk Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: MX v3.1b and Digital's Message Router Message-ID: <1992Nov24.100349.391@condor> Date: 24 Nov 92 10:03:48 GMT References: <00964090.942ACE60.370@ccs.ios.bc.ca> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <00964090.942ACE60.370@ccs.ios.bc.ca>, "Bob Johns, (604)363-6520" writes: > Does anyone know of an MX gateway for Digital's Message Router that: > > 1) would be usable from their Mailworks package (formerly ALL-IN-1 mail, > which is not the same as their ALL-IN-1 messaging!)? > > 2) is in the public domain? (I already know about PMDF.) I have written a name conversion module in C which interfaces between all-in-1 mail and MX, for example it converts my all-in-1 mail address LEES@MRGATE@OWL into the internet address lees@owl.a1.logica.co.uk. We have also defined an 'internet address' template for all-in-1 mail for windows, although this depends on having the patch installed which allows VMS mail to recognise internet addresses without the MX% prefix. Is this what you are looking for? If so I can mail you a copy. It's not really a Message Router gateway though, it depends on mail going from MX via VMS Mail to MR. William --------------------------------------------------- William Lees, Logica International Ltd, London UK Internet: leesw@logica.co.uk CompuServe: 75300,250 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 17:59:19 CST From: kpy!kpy.com!pedersen@netcom.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 15:29:15 PST Message-ID: <00964195A9838620.202001AB@kpy.com> From: "Bill Pedersen" Subject: DEC EDI experiences wanted To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET I have a client who is trying to use DEC EDI and not getting anywhere fast. They are running on a VAX 6530 or there abouts and moving about 3000 documents a day. Various problems are happening and they have DEC in looking at the system/software. Does anyone know of another product/application for EDI which can replace DEC EDI? These people have money but they would like to stay on the VAX/VMS platform. Thanks, _______________________________________________________________________ Bill Pedersen | KPY Network Partners | 1037 North Fair Oaks Avneue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089-2101 | Systems Integration in Heterogenous Environments. | 1-408-734-2564 1-800-458-8930 FAX:1-408-734-2940 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 12:13:20 CST From: Subject: LeeMail (macintosh) -> MX - anybody successful? Message-ID: <17178@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 25 Nov 92 17:27:44 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Has anybody had any experience with a mac shareware mailer called LeeMail? I put it on one of our macs just to see if it works - it doesn't so far. The problem is clearly shown in the following SMTP transcript... STM[3]: Send "220 OFFICE.AB.UMD.EDU MX V3.1C SMTP server ready at Tue, 24 Nov 1992 12:48:28 EST" STM[3]: Receive "HELO q.utmb.edu" STM[3]: Send "250 Hello, q.utmb.edu" STM[3]: Receive "MAIL FROM:" STM[3]: Send "250 MAIL command accepted." STM[3]: Receive "RCPT TO:" STM[3]: Send "501 Syntax error in address" STM[3]: Receive "DATA" STM[3]: Send "354 Start mail input; end with ." STM[3]: Receive "Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 10:53:35 EST" STM[3]: Receive "From: " STM[3]: Receive "Subject: None" STM[3]: Receive "To bill@office.ab.umd.eu" STM[3]: Receive "X-Mailer: LeeMail 1.2.4" STM[3]: Receive "" STM[3]: Receive "hi." STM[3]: Receive "" STM[3]: Receive "." STM[3]: Send "250 Message received and queued." STM[3]: Receive "QUIT" STM[3]: Send "221 OFFICE.AB.UMD.EDU Service closing transmission channel" STM[3]: Receive "QUIT" It's not crucial that I solve this problem (I have other mail solutions for macs that work well), but it would be nice to know if either MX or LeeMail can be "fixed". -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William P. Bame | sneakernet: William P. Bame internet: bill@office.ab.umd.edu | M.I.E.M.S.S. bbame@achi1.ab.umd.edu | 22 South Greene Street AT&T : [Work] (410) 328-3062 | Baltimore, MD 21201 CIS : 71620,425 | Room: T1R55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 12:41:04 CST Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 10:26:18 PST From: "W. Todd Wipke" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@RPIECSVX.BITNET Message-ID: <00964234.81CC9780.12449@SECS.UCSC.EDU> Subject: test this is a test. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 14:00:28 CST Sender: goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 13:59:59 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00964252.5B343CE0.4190@WKUVX1.BITNET> Subject: MX v3.1C and Jnet v3.6 work fine I just finished installing Jnet v3.6 and I'm happy to report that MX V3.1C works just fine with the new Jnet. Our mail is coming in and going out, so.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 14:52:20 CST Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 10:04:20 gmt+1 From: Pasztor Miklos Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: miklos@HUGBOX.SZTAKI.HU Message-ID: <00964231.6FEF8FC0.18296@HUGBOX.SZTAKI.HU> Subject: What to do if queue.dir is larger than 900 blocks ? Mx-ers, I've posted this last week through NEWS, but I think it didn't reach the list. So I post it again via mail. I apologize if you see this the second time. The line that connects us to the western world was cut for three days. This resulted in a burst of messages when it came back again. The size of mx_dir:queue.dir was more than 900 blocks. There were even thousands of undeleted FINished messages in it. What I did (repeatedly) is the following: 1. MCP SHUT This took horrible time sometimes, so I STOP-ped some of the processes now and then. 2. MCP QUE PU This too, takes hours. 3. MCP QUE RECLA 4. CONVERT/FDL=FLQ_DIR:SYSTEM_QUEUE FLQ_DIR:SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL - FLQ_DIR:SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL (Thanks to Brian Tillman, who gave me this piece of advice). I also made an attempt to recreate the queue directory, but REN MX_DIR:[QUEUE]*.*/LOG MX_DIR:[QUEUETMP]*.* processeed 40 files in 20 minutes, so I gave up, and renamed the files back. Now my questions: Q1: Can result stopping an MX process in loss of messages ? Btw. these processes may die also due to other reasons (e.g. system crash or power failure) too. Q2: When I shut down MX, the agent processes may not hurt the system queue. So I can do e.g. convert/fdl on it. But what about non-permanent MX processes ? (DECNET SMTP SERVER, X.25 SMTP SERVER, MX_SITE_IN) These images can born anytime, deliver a message, which should be enetered in the MX queue. Is it possible, that MX loses some messages this way ? Q3: Because much of the trouble comes from QUEUE.DIR being larger than 128 blocks, someone suggested to use a search list as FLQ_DIR in the next release of MX. Why not do it just now "by hand" ? I imagine the following: Create some queue directories, and concatenate them in a search list as logical name FLQ_DIR. Then write a piece of DCL code, run it periodically. It should: check if the first directory in the list is too large. If so, *redefine* the search list in an other way, so that the first directory in the list is still tiny enough. Since file creation occurs in the first directory on the list, one can keep them shorter than the critical size. This should work if *all* the references to the queue dir in MX are through the FLQ_DIR logical. However I do not dare to this, because I couldn't be sure. Q4: I wonder if setting the FLQ logicals can help in the issue. Is it a good idea to set e.g. FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to "0 0:0:0" ? What about FLQ_RECLAIM_WAIT and FLQ_CHECK_WAIT ? I decreased all these values, (however PURGE_WAIT not to zero) and I think it helped. Please help. Thank you. Miklos Pa'sztor Miklo's | E-mail: pasztor@hugbox.bitnet MTA SZTAKI/ASZI Budapest Victor H. u. 18-22 | Institute for Computation and Automation, Hungarian Academy of Sciences ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 15:05:44 CST From: Subject: Re: LeeMail (macintosh) -> MX - anybody successful? Message-ID: <1992Nov25.185821.22027@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <17178@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 18:58:21 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <17178@umd5.umd.edu>, bill@bill.ab.umd.edu (Bill Bame) writes: >Has anybody had any experience with a mac shareware mailer called LeeMail? I >put it on one of our macs just to see if it works - it doesn't so far. The >problem is clearly shown in the following SMTP transcript... >STM[3]: Receive "RCPT TO:" ^^^^ The SMTP spec says that this address must be a full user@host-type address, not just a username. MX is not very forgiving about this. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 05:30:18 CST Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 12:20:18 MET From: "Wolfram Korten, ISKP, Univ.Bonn, Internet:korten@boris.iskp.uni-bonn.de" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00964632.4293F3E0.570@servax.iskp.uni-bonn.de> Subject: LIST LIST ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 05:36:16 CST Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 12:29:06 EST From: Michael Juenemann Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@RPIECSVX.BITNET Message-ID: <00964633.7D9399E0.11796@venus.IPA.FhG.de> Subject: Problem by Creating Mailing Lists Dear Sir, during my work with MX I have some problems by creating a mailing list. The hand book doesnot describe the creation very clearly, so I shall ask you if I must install the MX software for a second time if I want to configurate a mailing list. Give there any propability to create a mailing list without a new instal- lation of MX...??? F.e. I want to create a mailing list of our network group... I hope my question is clear enough and you could understand my horrible english. Yours respectfully Mikel Juenemann P.S. My e-mail adress is: hig9@venus.ipa.FhG.de ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 07:06:54 CST Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 07:01:19 CST From: Larry Horn Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: hig9@venu.ipa.FhG.de, hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu Message-ID: <00964605.B3292F80.19078@okra.millsaps.edu> Subject: RE: Problem by Creating Mailing Lists >during my work with MX I have some problems by creating a mailing list. The >hand book doesnot describe the creation very clearly, so I shall ask you if Since I've seen several questions of this nature but don't recall the answers, if any, I'll throw in my two cents -- basically, "here's what I did" ... Assuming you've read through the Mailing List/File Server guide, look in the Message Exchange Management Guide for a description of the DEFINE LIST command, then set up a "template" MCP command file you can edit for each list you want to create. See my HELPDESK.MCP below for an example. (The *_MESSAGE files in the DEFINE LIST command should be put in logical MX_MLIST_DIR:. If archiving, the archive directory should be created manually; MX won't do it for you.) Usage is: $ MCP MCP> @HELPDESK.MCP Then, in VAXmail, set up a forwarding address for the list (this requires privileges): $ MAIL MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=HELPDESK MX%HELPDESK MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=HELPDESK-REQUEST MX%HELPDESK Then, to pre-load a list of users, create a text file (see HELPDESK.USERS below) and mail it to HELPDESK-REQUEST from the "/owner" username: $ MAIL HELPDESK.USERS HELPDESK-REQUEST Files referenced: [this is file HELPDESK.MCP] ! HELPDESK.MCP ! Last edit: 7-AUG-1992 12:08:22.12 DEFINE LIST "HelpDesk" - /description = "Help Desk requests, support, and problem log" - /owner = "hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu" - /errors_to = "hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu" - /reply_to = ( list, sender ) - /protection = ( S:RWED, O:RWED, G:RWED, W:RW ) - /add_message = HELPDESK_ADD_MESSAGE - /forward_message = HELPDESK_FORWARD_MESSAGE - /remove_message = HELPDESK_REMOVE_MESSAGE - /archive = SYSUSER:[ARCHIVES.HELPDESK] [this is file HELPDESK.USERS] ADD Dixie Fontenot ADD Brad Cooper ADD Gary Nalley - ---------------------------------- signed: 30-NOV-1992 07:01 C*T (USA) --- - Larry Horn / Millsaps College / Jackson, MS / hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 07:29:49 CST Sender: goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 07:29:21 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00964609.9D514F40.4674@WKUVX1.BITNET> Subject: RE: Problem by Creating Mailing Lists Larry Horn writes: > >>during my work with MX I have some problems by creating a mailing list. The >>hand book doesnot describe the creation very clearly, so I shall ask you if > >Since I've seen several questions of this nature but don't recall the >answers, if any, I'll throw in my two cents -- basically, "here's what I >did" ... > And that all sounds fine. To answer the question about whether or not you have to reinstall MX: if you did not initially install the Mailing List/File Server portion of MX, then you'll need to re-run VMSINSTAL. However, all you have to install is the MLF portion---there's no need to reinstall all of MX again. One quick way to check to see if you installed the MLF stuff is to do a SHOW SYSTEM and look for an MX MLF process. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 09:23:55 CST Sender: goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 09:23:24 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00964619.8BE27800.4742@WKUVX1.BITNET> Subject: RE: What to do if queue.dir is larger than 900 blocks ? Pasztor Miklos writes: > > The size of mx_dir:queue.dir was more than 900 blocks. > There were even thousands of undeleted FINished messages in it. > > What I did (repeatedly) is the following: [...] > Now my questions: > Q1: Can result stopping an MX process in loss of messages ? > Btw. these processes may die also due to other reasons (e.g. > system crash or power failure) too. > It shouldn't. MX appears to handle all of these cases gracefully. > Q2: When I shut down MX, the agent processes may not hurt the system > queue. So I can do e.g. convert/fdl on it. > But what about non-permanent MX processes ? > (DECNET SMTP SERVER, X.25 SMTP SERVER, MX_SITE_IN) > These images can born anytime, deliver a message, which should be > enetered in the MX queue. Is it possible, that MX loses some > messages this way ? > That's a good question, and I'm not sure what the answer is. If Matt doesn't respond, I'll try to find out soon. > Q3: Because much of the trouble comes from QUEUE.DIR being > larger than 128 blocks, someone suggested to use a search > list as FLQ_DIR in the next release of MX. > Why not do it just now "by hand" ? Because it doesn't quite work. I've got a beta version of the FLQ_SHR code running here that uses 10 subdirectories under QUEUE.DIR to try to help with this problem. It appears to be working, but I want to test it some more. Matt rewrote the old FLQ code (which was in PL/1) in BLISS and that's the version I'm currently testing. Before the next release of MX, I *hope* to rework the FLQ stuff completely so it doesn't use an indexed file anymore. Matt wrote most of the code to implement a new system---I plan to either finish his or design a new scheme. > Q4: I wonder if setting the FLQ logicals can help in the issue. > Is it a good idea to set e.g. FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to "0 0:0:0" ? > What about FLQ_RECLAIM_WAIT and FLQ_CHECK_WAIT ? > I decreased all these values, (however PURGE_WAIT not to zero) > and I think it helped. > I'm not sure how much this would help. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 09:50:08 CST Date: 30 Nov 1992 10:45:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Problem by Creating Mailing Lists To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: hig9_ipa@venus.IPA.FhG.de, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00964624.FCEA9F40.7335@garnet.nist.gov> > I have some problems ... creating a mailing list. The handbook does not > describe the creation very clearly In addition to the previous answers, I call your attention to the command procedure MX_DIR:MLF_CONFIG.COM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 12:06:09 CST Sender: leitner_s@UCOLMCC.BITNET Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 08:00:48 EST From: SAM LEITNER Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0096460E.02629520.24667@maui.hsc.colorado.edu> Subject: help Hi, my name is Sam, I work at Univ. of Colorado Health Sc. Cntr in Denver, I have installed the new MX 3.1c but I have problems with it working correctly... The bitnet and smtp is not working.. I have tons of mail not getting delivered.. It just stays in the mx.queue.. any suggestions on what I did wrong.. I read the manual over and over.. I always have had problems with things not getting delivered even with the old mx.. but thought it was just bad mail.. but it got worst! any suggestions or things to check or try? would be appreaciated.. If you would like to login, I would even let you do that! We also are using UCX 2.0 if that makes a difference? thanks sam ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 14:28:25 CST Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 14:57:53 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: maui!leitner_s@esseye.si.com CC: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00964648.46157780.30203@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: help Sam Leitner writes: >I have installed the new MX 3.1c but I have problems with it working >correctly... The bitnet and smtp is not working.. I have tons of mail >not getting delivered. Sam, we need more information. How do you have MX configured? What do the router logs say? What messages are you receiving? -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 15:28:40 CST Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 15:57:07 EST From: Ed Landa Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <00964650.8CB68BE0.4731@bigboy.epri.com> Subject: RE: help > correctly... The bitnet and smtp is not working.. I have tons of mail > not getting delivered.. It just stays in the mx.queue.. any suggestions > on what I did wrong.. I read the manual over and over.. I always have had Sam, Make sure you have disable the UCX SMTP service. You can do this using the 'SET NOSERVICE SMTP' command under UCX. landa@bigboy.epri.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 18:38:50 CST From: bg@dymaxion.ns.ca Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Problem by Creating Mailing Lists Message-ID: <1992Nov30.102355.76@dymaxion.ns.ca> Date: 30 Nov 92 10:23:55 AST References: <00964633.7D9399E0.11796@venus.IPA.FhG.de> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <00964633.7D9399E0.11796@venus.IPA.FhG.de>, Michael Juenemann writes: >[ Is it possible ] to create a mailing list without a new installation >of MX...??? Please post replies. I will need to know the answer to this question soon when I set up mailing lists of my own. -- Ben Armstrong, Software Development bus: (902)422-1973 Dymaxion Research Ltd., fax: (902)421-1267 Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3J 1R2 Internet: bg@dymaxion.ns.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 18:38:57 CST From: Subject: Re: help Message-ID: <1992Nov30.194551.22797@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <0096460E.02629520.24667@maui.hsc.colorado.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 19:45:51 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0096460E.02629520.24667@maui.hsc.colorado.edu>, SAM LEITNER writes: >Hi, my name is Sam, I work at Univ. of Colorado Health Sc. Cntr in Denver, >I have installed the new MX 3.1c but I have problems with it working >correctly... The bitnet and smtp is not working.. I have tons of mail >not getting delivered.. It just stays in the mx.queue.. any suggestions >on what I did wrong.. I read the manual over and over.. I always have had >problems with things not getting delivered even with the old mx.. but thought >it was just bad mail.. but it got worst! any suggestions or things to check >or try? would be appreaciated.. If you would like to login, I would even >let you do that! We also are using UCX 2.0 if that makes a difference? First, you need to get your host name right in your UCX host table. The MX release notes (SYS$HELP:MX031.RELEASE_NOTES) have a section that explains how to do that. Second, we need more information about the problem. MX tells you why things don't get delivered, if you use MCP QUEUE SHOW/FULL or run MX_EXE:MAILQUEUE. You can get even more information by turning on the debugging code in the various MX processes and look at the resulting log files; the MX management guide explains how to do that. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 427 4366 TGV, Inc. | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 19:42:04 CST From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Problem sending mail out Date: 30 Nov 1992 22:02:17 GMT Message-ID: <1fe319INNo9i@chnews.intel.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET I'm running MX V3.1C and it was working fine until about a month or so ago. Around thing I stopped being able to send mail out - however I can receive fine. Mail sent with @machinename stays in the MX queue and will eventually abort. Any ideas to what may have happened? -- To further complicate the issue I just update to Vms 5.5-2 but I am STILL running UCX 1.3 thx -- Cecil Lee, Intel Corp., CLee@SC9.INTEL.COM UUCP : {pur-ee,qantel,amdcad,oliveb,decwrl,hplabs}!intelca!mipos3!sc9!clee Not An Evil Tempter Being ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 22:42:07 CST From: Subject: MX with Jnet/PROFS Message-ID: <30NOV199221455376@b56vxg.kodak.com> Date: 1 Dec 92 02:45:00 GMT Sender: news@eastman.UUCP Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET I admit I am a newcommer to this package so please bear with me on the questions. There may be some good answers, but I have been searching the archives and there does not seem to be many generic PROFS users out there using this package on the VAX side.. I have MX V3.1, VMS 5.5-2, Jnet V3.5 , UCX 2.0. I have been struggling with the package to make it work with our Jnet connection to our internal RSCS PROFS systems. I am trying to set up a mailing list to service both VMSmail and PROFS users initially. In an effort to keep the Jnet user base from being disrupted, I kept the MX Jnet inbound mail re-director offline. I set up forwarding up from a 8 character dummy user account to the mx-mailing list. When a request comes in, I get the proper PROFS address coming in on the return address. I rewrite address and I can get it to pass back thru the Jnet interface on the outbound. The problem lies with the format of the file. It reaches the PROFS end not as a PROFS note but as some non-PROFS mail message that require special processing on the part of the PROFS user. Has anyone used MX in conjunction with an IBM PROFS environment? We have a special qualifiers when PROFS mail is sent via the JNET SEND command. Is there a way to put those into MX via a logical ? Or is there something needing to be done to XMAILER.NAMES? If I can literally hide the MX environment behind the PROFS% window, I would do it. The problem with note format is a big one for us. I also tried to take in PROFS addresses, and on the return rewrite the address with the "PROFS%" front end. I attempted to pass it back to the VMS mail environment and it bombed due to a "user not found" type message. I even tried to hide the PROFS% prefix with a dummy node name like PRFS:: (like how MRGATE works). I get a sucessful hand off but no mail shows up... Any help would be appreciated... thanks, Ken Lewis =============================================================================== Eastman Kodak Company, RDCS RF: N2LCI 1669 Lake Avenue Internet: lewis@kodak.com Rochester NY 14652-3302 AT&T: (716)-722-3438 ===============================================================================