Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 07:17:54 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mbmel@alpha Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: emergency!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 1 Mar 95 19:38:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1995Mar1.193824@alpha> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Dear Sir : Emergency ! Sorry for your inconvenience. Fung-Wen Shen, the director of Institute of Immunology, National Taiwan University Medical Cellege suffered from acute myocardial infarction on Feb-28-95 with severe heart failure which made the heart transplantation urgently indicated. Because of the complications of the acute myocardial infarction,he is now under extracorporal circulation in ICU. He needs a O-blood typed heart urgently. Please help post this message to your school's internet or BBS or anywhere you can do. When you post this message, please write down his name and position because he is famous with CD45 (Ly5) in USA. Thank you very much. Please contact with FAX:886-2-3217921 E-mail address:d3406003@ntumc1.mc.ntu.edu.tw ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 09:06:47 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 16:06:56 +0200 From: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Message-ID: <0098CB76.F1A01780.14@caen1.unicaen.fr> Subject: Eudora, IUPOP3 and MX Here is the result of many tests we did to determine the necessary configuration of IUPOP3 and MX to work fine with Eudora. My current versions are MX 4.1, IUPOP3 1.8.1 and Eudora 1.4.4, but the versions seems not to be important. 1. It is necessary to configure IUPOP3 without propagation of Mail-11 Headers, using: @MAKE UCX NOMMS "IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS" 2. Eudora needs to encounter the correct headers before the message, to be able to decode the attachments: these pertain to the option OTHER of MX Top headers. Eudora needs also to have the FROM and SUBJECT Top headers to correctly present them to the user. So, if you desire the minimum of headers before the message, the convenient configuration of the Local Agent is: LOCAL agent settings: .... Top headers: FROM,SUBJECT,OTHER (With SMTP of UCX, the needed OPTION is TOP_HEADERS) With this configuration the Mime attachments of directly received messages will be automatically converted by Eudora. But the PROBLEM OF FORWARDED MESSAGES remains. Despite of my many tests (with or without Mail-11 Headers, with or without MX transport), I never obtained a conversion of Mime attachments pertaining to a message Forwarded with VMS Mail (when Binhex attachments are correctly decoded). The messages redirected by a set forward don't have this problem. So it seems that the Headers aggregated by the Forward impede the decodage of Mime attachments. Does anyone know a solution ? Thanks. *********************************************************************** Jacques LEYRAT ! Tel: (33-)31-45-55-08 Centre de Ressources Informatiques (C.R.I.U.C) ! Universite de Caen ! Fax: (33-)31-44-58-54 14032 Caen Cedex ! FRANCE !e-mail: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr *********************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 09:19:01 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 10:16:53 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: cendjm@cend1c6.caledonia.hw.ac.uk, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098CB46.09ED0FE0.6996@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Address rewriting advice sought > In the next two months we are moving from a cluster of VAX 8700s running > the UK Coloured Book mail software to an AlphaServer 2100 on which we > wish to run OpenVMS 6.1 and MX 4.1. > > After the change our users will find that the mail addresses they type > to the "To:" prompt will change from: > > cbs%uk-order-site::user to mx%"user@world-order-site" > > eg cbs%uk.ac.hw.caledonia::cendjm becomes > mx%"cendjm@caledonia.hw.ac.uk" > > This is fine (at last we'll be in step with the rest of the world), > except for two things: > 1. they'll have to remember to use the new addresses, and > 2. they'll be unable to REPLY to mail received before the change. > > Ideally I would like to make this changeover as painless as possible > > Obviously the "cbs%" portion of the specification can be made to invoke > MX, but I am at a loss as to how to translate one address format to > the other. As far as I can see in my initial experimentation, DEFINE > REWRITE_RULE cannot handle this type of situation. Is this a candidate > for building a local address rewriting routine? I was hoping that someone who knew what they were talking about would answer you. However, given the silence in the room, let me offer some untested food for thought. What's wrong with the following sequence of rewrite rules, given that they are tested in order? DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a6}.{a5}.{a4}.{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}.{a4}.{a5}.{a6}>" DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a5}.{a4}.{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}.{a4}.{a5}>" DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a4}.{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}.{a4}>" DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}>" DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}>" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 11:08:57 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 11:06:09 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098CB4C.EC0CC6A8.5@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: LSV and digests Folks .. Someone please point me in the right direction ... I've installed LSV. But I don't know what it can do with it. No docs. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || DMILLER@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 11:56:32 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 17:24:21 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098CB81.C1291623.411@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Address rewriting advice sought >> In the next two months we are moving from a cluster of VAX 8700s running >> the UK Coloured Book mail software to an AlphaServer 2100 on which we >> wish to run OpenVMS 6.1 and MX 4.1. >> >> After the change our users will find that the mail addresses they type >> to the "To:" prompt will change from: >> >> cbs%uk-order-site::user to mx%"user@world-order-site" >> >> eg cbs%uk.ac.hw.caledonia::cendjm becomes >> mx%"cendjm@caledonia.hw.ac.uk" >> >> This is fine (at last we'll be in step with the rest of the world), >> except for two things: >> 1. they'll have to remember to use the new addresses, and >> 2. they'll be unable to REPLY to mail received before the change. >> >> Ideally I would like to make this changeover as painless as possible >> >> Obviously the "cbs%" portion of the specification can be made to invoke >> MX, but I am at a loss as to how to translate one address format to >> the other. As far as I can see in my initial experimentation, DEFINE >> REWRITE_RULE cannot handle this type of situation. Is this a candidate >> for building a local address rewriting routine? > >I was hoping that someone who knew what they were talking about would >answer you. However, given the silence in the room, let me offer some >untested food for thought. > >What's wrong with the following sequence of rewrite rules, given that they >are tested in order? > >DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a6}.{a5}.{a4}.{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - > "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}.{a4}.{a5}.{a6}>" >DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a5}.{a4}.{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - > "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}.{a4}.{a5}>" >DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a4}.{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - > "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}.{a4}>" >DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a3}.{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - > "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}.{a3}>" >DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{a2}.{a1}::{user}>" - > "<{user}@{a1}.{a2}>" I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to get this to work here for similar reasons. Eventually i determined that there is a problem with MX_MAILSHR in that it strips off everything up to and inclduing the first set of '::' BEFORE it gets passed to the router and hence the address rewriting rules. So name like: cbs%site::user ends up as just user and MX adds the local system name to give:" user@local-site So users who send mail to a CBS% format address get a message back about unknown users on their own system! There is a complext TPARSE sequence in the MX_MAILSHR source which explictly looks for and deletes the stuff before :: but I didn't dare change it; I asked Hunter if there was a fix but he has so far been unable to sort it out. Note that it works if the CBS% format address has the address in quotes: CBS%"site::user" as the MX_MAILSHR parser doesn't interfere with quoted things To sum up, without a fix to MX_MAILSHR, it cannot be done. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 12:14:58 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "scots::scots::mrgate::a1::softels00001"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <9503011810.AA25145@us4rmc.pko.dec.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 13:10:30 EST X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: us4rmc::"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Subject: RE: Eudora, IUPOP3 and MX From: NAME: Ian Miller - Softel Systems FUNC: TEL: To: NAME: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU <"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU"@US4RMC@ISVNET@MRGATE@SCOTS@NBS> Thank you for the results of your investigation. I am going to use MX,IUPOP3,Eudora. I have got MX and IUPOP3 and am looking for Eurdora. From where did you get pc version of Eudora ? How do your PC clients running Eudora know that their is new mail to be read ? Ian Miller, Softel PSImail: 234273400398::IAN internet: softels00001@partners.new.mts.dec.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 13:25:11 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: rich@lrc.edu (Manager Academic Computer Center ext 7379) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Mailing list program for VMS Message-ID: <1995Mar1.110723.191@lrc> Date: 1 Mar 95 11:07:23 EST To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Does anyone know of a mailing list program for VMS? There are several teachers in the school that have set up simple mailing lists for their classes. It would be much easier on them if there was a mailing list address. Thanks! Rich Little Manager, Academic Computer Center Lenoir-Rhyne College Hickory, NC rich@mike.lrc.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 14:32:10 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 21:30:13 +0100 From: Juan Altmayer Pizzorno Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CBA4.1A564DD3.15@vms.gmd.de> Subject: RE: LSV and digests The Wizard writes: >Folks .. > >Someone please point me in the right direction ... > >I've installed LSV. But I don't know what it can do with it. No docs. Try "Message Exchange Management Guide", Chapter 4.6, in MX_DOC:. .. Juan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 15:16:18 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 16:15:05 E From: tony spinillo Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CB78.145BE320.129@marywood1.marywood.edu> Subject: mx_digest I am running mx 4.1 and vms 6.0 on a microvax 3100 model 90. i am trying to setup the mx-digest package that came with the 4.1 install. I have followed the install guide to install but the SITE specifics but the digest entries remain INPROG in the queue. i did the following MCP> define path DIGEST.SITE SITE/ROUTE=DIGEST MCP> DEFINE REWRITE_RULE "<{u}@DIGEST.SITE>" "<{u}@DIGEST.SITE>" i then seup a -digest list for the list, moved the .head and .info files to mx_exe (which i defined a logical to as mx_site_dir) if anyone has set this up please advise. thanks for your help tony ************************************************************ Anthony Spinillo - Tech Services Marywood College PHONE: 717-348-6215 ext 557 FAX: 717-348-1817 2300 Adams Ave Scranton, PA 19509 spinillo@marywood1.marywood.edu ************************************************************ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 16:09:53 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 17:06:47 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: rich@mike.lrc.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098CB7F.4D1F4600.7048@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Mailing list program for VMS > Does anyone know of a mailing list program for VMS? There are several > teachers in the school that have set up simple mailing lists for their > classes. It would be much easier on them if there was a mailing list > address. If each teacher just wants to maintain their own mailing list for their own class, you can just use the standard, VMS Mail command: $ TYPE CLASS.LIST JONNY MARY STEVIE MO $ MAIL MAIL> SEND To: @CLASS.LIST For a more complete mail list server, MX (discussed in the newsgroup you posted to) fits the bill. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 18:10:47 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "S.T.Hayes" Subject: Re: Address rewriting advice sought To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 14:28:40 GMT Message-ID: <9503011428.aa11918@uk.ac.ed.festival> > Summary: How to change UK CBS addresses to standard MX addresses > After the change our users will find that the mail addresses they type > to the "To:" prompt will change from: > > cbs%uk-order-site::user to mx%"user@world-order-site" This concerns me too, as I shall have to convert a number of VMS machines from CBS to MX mail. There is a logical CBS_MAILSHR, which I guess handles all mail to CBS%... It would be very nice to rewrite this module to send a message back to the user to say it had failed, and a message to support in case one of our system pseudo users was misbehaving! Where do I find a spec. for the MAILSHR interface? ! Stephen Hayes, Edinburgh University Computing Service. ! S.T.Hayes @ ed.ac.uk, Tel: (+44) 0131-650 4990. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 02:32:13 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:30:19 MET From: Peter Kobe Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CC08.B32A8A99.1@AXPIB.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE> Subject: verification error on mail from multihomed sender I have problems in getting Mail from a specific node. The sending machine - a VM machine - has multiple IP-Adresses, depending on the networkinterface it uses. And thus reaches my home-system via differnt senders ip-adresses depending on the route, it takes. IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE is the sender PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI_BONN.DE is the receiver the log-file shows HELO IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE 250 Verification failed for IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE what is the reason for this verification error? The name-server holds differnt names for the IBM depending on the interface used. thanks for any help. Peter ===================================================================== Peter Kobe Internet: Peter.Kobe@uni-bonn.de Physikalisches Institut HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM Universitaet Bonn Tel: (49) 228 73 3222 D 53115 Bonn FAX: (49) 228 73 7869 Nussallee 12 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 04:48:23 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 11:48:54 +0200 From: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Message-ID: <0098CC1C.0F367F00.51@caen1.unicaen.fr> Subject: RE: Eudora, IUPOP3 and MX > From where did you get pc version of Eudora ? The original version of Eudora is located on anonymous ftp server ftp.qualcomm.com in the quest directory > How do your PC clients running Eudora know that their is new mail to be > read ? They automatically receive their new mail on their PC when they activate Eudora. According to a question I post several monthes ago, there is no simple way with IUPOP3 under VMS to get an automatic Notify of new mail arrived during an Eudora session. *********************************************************************** Jacques LEYRAT ! Tel: (33-)31-45-55-08 Centre de Ressources Informatiques (C.R.I.U.C) ! Universite de Caen ! Fax: (33-)31-44-58-54 14032 Caen Cedex ! FRANCE !e-mail: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr *********************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 07:35:04 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 07:34:51 CST From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CBF8.919C9818.27@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: verification error on mail from multihomed sender Peter Kobe writes: > >HELO IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE >250 Verification failed for IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE > >what is the reason for this verification error? >The name-server holds differnt names for the IBM depending on >the interface used. > It just means that the machine identified itself as IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE, but a reverse DNS lookup for the machines IP address revealed a name other than IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE. It's not a real error, MX is just warning the system (and you) that the system name was not what it claimed to be. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 07:58:23 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 08:55:12 EST From: munson@nsrl31.nsrl.rochester.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CC03.CB0522BD.22124@nsrl31.nsrl.rochester.edu> Subject: RE: Eudora, IUPOP3 and MX I know this has been posted her before; so, I apologize for the question. What is the internat address of locations for IUPOP3 distribution? Thanks, Dave ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 07:59:09 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "scots::scots::mrgate::a1::softels00001"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <9503021355.AA03571@us4rmc.pko.dec.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 08:55:37 EST X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: us4rmc::"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Subject: RE: Eudora, IUPOP3 and MX From: NAME: Ian Miller - Softel Systems FUNC: TEL: To: NAME: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU <"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU"@US4RMC@ISVNET@MRGATE@SCOTS@NBS> I know their is nothing in the POP3 protocol to allow notification of new mail. I was think of something along the lines of the PATHWORKS DECnet broadcast receiver and its use for new mail notifcation but Windows for Workgroups clients (with TCP/IP as well as Microsoft protocol stacks). Is there a suitable internet protocol (and ideally a free implementation available for WfWg) ? At softel we have a scrolling message display with the names of users who have unread mail (updated every 10 mins or so). This is also available on the inhouse teletext system. This is ok but being able to put a message on a persons PC to say 'new mail' would be better. Ian Miller, Softel PSImail: 234273400398::IAN internet: softels00001@partners.new.mts.dec.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 08:01:12 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 08:00:49 CST From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CBFC.323CFEE0.7@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Eudora, IUPOP3 and MX munson@nsrl31.nsrl.rochester.edu writes: > >I know this has been posted her before; so, I apologize for the question. >What is the internat address of locations for IUPOP3 distribution? > ftp.indiana.edu in /pub/vms/iupop3 Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:15:30 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:15:22 E From: tony spinillo Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CC0E.FE00E660.201@marywood1.marywood.edu> Subject: RE: mx_digest Please disregard my previous post, I got the digest feature running. I mispelled the logical to mx_site_dir. I think I need glasses :) thanks tony ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:26:31 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: rich@lrc.edu (Manager Academic Computer Center ext 7379) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: More mailing list questions Message-ID: <1995Mar2.093436.192@lrc> Date: 2 Mar 95 09:34:36 EST To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I posted a request earlier about a mailer for VMS. I've gotten one reply suggesting that we use the regular VMS distribution list (the lists are internal to the system). This works great, except when a new user is added. We have to copy a new version of the distribution list into everyones directory. Doesn't take much time, just a pain. Will the MX mailer work internally like we want? Also, where do I obtain a copy? Thanks! Rich Little rich@mike.lrc.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:28:36 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:28:20 CST From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: RICH@LRC.EDU Message-ID: <0098CC08.6BFF9FD7.16@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: More mailing list questions rich@lrc.edu (Manager Academic Computer Center ext 7379) writes: > >I posted a request earlier about a mailer for VMS. I've gotten one >reply suggesting that we use the regular VMS distribution list (the >lists are internal to the system). This works great, except when a >new user is added. We have to copy a new version of the distribution >list into everyones directory. Doesn't take much time, just a pain. >Will the MX mailer work internally like we want? Also, where do I >obtain a copy? > Yes, MX's mailing list support will do exactly what you want. You can get the latest version of MX via anonymous ftp from ftp.wku.edu in [.MX.MX041]. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:06:51 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 11:02:59 EST From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CC15.A4CE9040.21@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Eudora, IUPOP3 and MX Ian Miller writes: >Thank you for the results of your investigation. I am going >to use MX,IUPOP3,Eudora. I have got MX and IUPOP3 and am looking for Eurdora. >From where did you get pc version of Eudora ? >How do your PC clients running Eudora know that their is new mail to be >read ? When you set up PC Eudora, you have to configure it. If you select "Configurations" from the "Special" menu, you will get a screen which contains a box "Check for Mail Every __ Minute(s)". You can put in whatver value that you like. Eudora will then check for you to see if there is mail. By choosing "Switches" under the "Special" menu, you can set the "New Mail Notification" "Sound" switch to "on". When mail arrives, you will hear a sound, if your system is configured properly. Or you can set the "Alert" switch to "on". A commercial version of Eudora is available, with technical support, from Qualcomm. Phone: 1-800-238-3672. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:55:30 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:58:36 EST From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: rich@mike.lrc.edu Message-ID: <0098CC15.08509CE0.7@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: More mailing list questions Rich Little (rich@mike.lrc.edu) writes: >I posted a request earlier about a mailer for VMS. I've gotten one >reply suggesting that we use the regular VMS distribution list (the >lists are internal to the system). This works great, except when a >new user is added. We have to copy a new version of the distribution >list into everyones directory. Nonsense. Put it in a world readable directory maintained by one person. Then create a SYSTEM logical name pointing to it: $ create somedisk:[somedir]list.dis jones smith doe clinton khaddafy $ define/system maillist somedisk:[somedir]list $ mail MAIL> send To: @maillist Subj: whatever ... ^Z Everyone on the system will have access to exactly the same copy of the file and each time a name is added, everyone will automatically reference the latest version of the file. Say, Rich, do you still do that impersonation of Richard Nixon you were so famous for? I haven't seen your act on TV in a long time. Did you get out of the impersonation business, or are you doing only night clubs? -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 11:45:14 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 12:11:50 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098CC1F.4371BE80.7209@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: More mailing list questions >> I posted a request earlier about a mailer for VMS. I've gotten one >> reply suggesting that we use the regular VMS distribution list (the >> lists are internal to the system). This works great, except when a >> new user is added. We have to copy a new version of the distribution >> list into everyones directory. Doesn't take much time, just a pain. >> Will the MX mailer work internally like we want? Also, where do I >> obtain a copy? > Yes, MX's mailing list support will do exactly what you want. So will regular VMS distribution lists. (It was my suggestion that he makes reference to.) All he need do is to enter the distribution lists in a directory everyone can read, then in SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM, have lines such as: $ DEFINE ENGLISH_101 "@DUxx:[DIRECTORY]ENG101CLASS.LIST" $ DEFINE PHYSICS_201 "@DUxx:[DIRECTORY]PHY201CLASS.LIST" Then, anyone can send mail to ENGLISH_101, PHYSICS_201, . Variations on the theme should be obvious. The notion of having to copy files into everyone's personal directory is a red herring. Remember, we are not talking about a situation where external communication (via SMTP, BITNET, UUCP, etc.) is involved, and we are not talking about allowing people to subscribe and unsubscribe themselves from mailing lists. While installing and maintaining MX is a pleasure, compared to most other software of equivalent complexity, it is overkill for this requirement. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 13:35:53 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 19:26:35 GMT From: "Tim Llewellyn, (0272) 288738." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: tjl@siva.bris.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098CC5B.FEEE43A1.38@siva.bris.ac.uk> Subject: RE: More mailing list questions >From: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" 2-MAR-1995 16:20:24.35 >To: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" >CC: >Subj: More mailing list questions > >I posted a request earlier about a mailer for VMS. I've gotten one >reply suggesting that we use the regular VMS distribution list (the >lists are internal to the system). This works great, except when a >new user is added. We have to copy a new version of the distribution >list into everyones directory. Doesn't take much time, just a pain. >Will the MX mailer work internally like we want? Also, where do I >obtain a copy? > >Thanks! >Rich Little >rich@mike.lrc.edu Why not put the distribution file somewhere where everyone who needs to can read and if necessary write it, then define a system logical pointing to it, and get the users to use the logical name when specifying the mailing list? I havn't TRIED any of this, though, so there may be problems. Probably getting an MX list going is a better long term option. -----------------------------------------------------+------------------+ Tim Llewellyn - OpenVMS, Soukous and Cricket Addict |Hey, and get wise | Physicist Programmer, Bristol Uni Particle Physics. | to the sounds of | HEPNET/SPAN 19716::TJL Internet tjl@siva.bris.ac.uk | Africa,seen. | I speak for me and noone else OK (and I might even | Soukous Makossa | change my mind sometimes!-) Atari and EMagic user too| Mbalax HiLife..| -----------------------------------------------------+------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 06:20:46 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mvbinet@yogi.hns.com Subject: DECnet SMTP (& mailing list subscription) Date: 3 Mar 1995 10:23:35 GMT Message-ID: <3j6qn7$8co@hnssysb.hns.com> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU First of all If all I wanted on a node was everything routed to a node with full implementation of MX, what components would I need on that node so that DECnet SMTP is routed to the fully functioned node (which will handle all external,local and mailing list mails) Also I have tried unsubscribing with me old address from the mailing list and subscribing with my preferred address - it doesn't seem to be working? Maybe I'm impatient? Regards, Mark +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+------+ | Mark Van-Bellen E-Mails M_VANBELLEN%YOGI@HNSLTD.HNS.COM | | | Systems Engineer +-----------------------------------------+ | | Hughes Network Systems Ltd. | Telephone : +44 908 221122 extension 211 | | Milton Keynes, England. | Fax : +44 908 221127 | +-----------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ | The three faithful things in life are money, a dog, and an old woman. | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 07:31:23 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 14:28:12 +0100 From: "Rok Vidmar, RCU Lj." Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CCFB.7AC4A0B4.238@uni-lj.si> Subject: RE: DECnet SMTP (& mailing list subscription) > First of all If all I wanted on a node was everything routed to a node > with full implementation of MX, what components would I need on that node > so that DECnet SMTP is routed to the fully functioned node (which will > handle all external,local and mailing list mails) Router, Local, and DECnet SMTP. > Also I have tried unsubscribing with me old address from the mailing list > and subscribing with my preferred address - it doesn't seem to be working? > Maybe I'm impatient? Or maybe mailing list wouldn't let you go - there are some such around, you know. Regards, Rok Vidmar inet: rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si UCC, University of Ljubljana x.400: S=vidmar;G=rok;O=uni-lj;P=ac;A=mail;C=si Kardeljeva pl. 17 phone: +386 61 168 6439 61000 Ljubljana fax: +386 61 168 6358 Slovenia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 07:49:21 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 07:49:11 CST From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CCC3.BC62595E.22@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: DECnet SMTP (& mailing list subscription) mvbinet@yogi.hns.com writes: > >First of all If all I wanted on a node was everything routed to a node >with full implementation of MX, what components would I need on that node >so that DECnet SMTP is routed to the fully functioned node (which will >handle all external,local and mailing list mails) > Just MX Router, MX Local, and MX DNSMTP. >Also I have tried unsubscribing with me old address from the mailing list >and subscribing with my preferred address - it doesn't seem to be working? >Maybe I'm impatient? > Most likely you're not doing it right.... The mail has to come from that address; if you want it to show an address other than the one above, then you'll need to send mail to me and ask me to add you at that address. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 08:01:48 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "scots::scots::mrgate::a1::softels00001"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <9503031401.AA04709@us4rmc.pko.dec.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:01:16 EST X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: us4rmc::"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Subject: RE: DECnet SMTP (& mailing list subscription) From: NAME: Ian Miller - Softel Systems FUNC: TEL: To: NAME: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU <"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU"@US4RMC@ISVNET@MRGATE@SCOTS@NBS> I would guess at Router,Local,DNSMTP,NETLIB ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 10:30:49 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX SMTP Server access violation Message-ID: <1995Mar3.122738.29488@oxvaxd> Date: 3 Mar 95 12:27:38 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, Does anybody who's running MX and UCX find that the MX SMTP server dies from time to time with an unexplained access violation? We're seeing at least one incident a day at the moment. (OpenVMS VAX 6.1, UCX 3.1 ECO5 and MX 4.1) Thanks, Dave -- David Hastings | "Life's too short to waste time Systems Programmer/News Manager | chitchatting with machines for Oxford University Computing Services | no good reason" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:47:33 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:34:00 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CCEB.8671E4CB.17@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: MX SMTP Server access violation > Does anybody who's running MX and UCX find that the MX SMTP server dies from > time to time with an unexplained access violation? We're seeing at least one > incident a day at the moment. > > (OpenVMS VAX 6.1, UCX 3.1 ECO5 and MX 4.1) I'm running that configuration with no problems. But if I had to start searching for a problem, I'd look in UCX first expecting to find one of the databases screwed up. Be happy to compare notes. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || DMILLER@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:50:28 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 11:36:48 MST From: "Michael L. Hitch" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CCE3.88A9EDA0.167@msu.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: RE: MX SMTP Server access violation daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) writes: > Does anybody who's running MX and UCX find that the MX SMTP server dies from > time to time with an unexplained access violation? We're seeing at least one > incident a day at the moment. Yes, it's happening here. It seems to have started about the time I upgraded from CMUIP to UCX. [It may have also been masked by other problems caused by CMUIP at the time as well.] I have been trying to find out what the access violation is, and as far as I have been able to tell, it happens in netlib___alloc_ior at the code: if (queue_remove(iorque.head, &ior)) { The access violation shows a virtual address of 0, but I don't see where that address is coming from. The instruction is REMQUE and I can't see anything wrong with the data used by the instruction (assuming that I'm looking at the correct data). > (OpenVMS VAX 6.1, UCX 3.1 ECO5 and MX 4.1) OpenVMS VAX 5.5-2, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1, and NETLIB 2.0A. [I'm going to try upgrading to NETLIB 2.0C and see if it makes any difference.] Michael --- Michael L. Hitch osymh@msu.oscs.montana.edu Computer Consultant, Office of Systems and Computing Services Montana State University, Bozeman, MT USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 14:54:07 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 13:32:30 CST From: Steve Baber Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CCF3.B2D14C80.108@postman.harding.edu> Subject: RE: MX SMTP Server access violation >Does anybody who's running MX and UCX find that the MX SMTP server dies from >time to time with an unexplained access violation? We're seeing at least one >incident a day at the moment. > >(OpenVMS VAX 6.1, UCX 3.1 ECO5 and MX 4.1) > >Thanks, > >Dave Our MX SMTP server is OK; however, the MX Router process dies occassionally. It'll run fine for several days and then croak with an exiting status = 1000000C A check using MX:MX_MSG shows this to be an "access violation". I can usually restart MX_Router and it'll run fine for a few more days. Haven't had time to research the problem; so far, it's been quicker to just restart the thing and go back to tending other fires. (VMS V5.5-2, UCX V3.2 - ECO Level 2, MX 4.1) +===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===+ | Steve Baber (baber@harding.edu) ____________ | | Director, Academic Computer Services | /_ | | H a r d i n g U n i v e r s i t y | * / | | Office: 501-279-4266 |Searcy, AR/ | | FAX: 501-279-4505 |_ / | | |______| | | "The future is not what it used to be... In fact, it never was." | +===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 14:56:19 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 14:17:48 EST From: "Russell O. Redman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: redman@hiaras.hia.nrc.ca Message-ID: <0098CCFA.06B47600.11@hiaras.hia.nrc.ca> Subject: RE: More mailing list questions > Subj: RE: More mailing list questions > > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:28:20 CST > From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" > To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU > Subject: RE: More mailing list questions > > rich@lrc.edu (Manager Academic Computer Center ext 7379) writes: > > > >I posted a request earlier about a mailer for VMS. I've gotten one > >reply suggesting that we use the regular VMS distribution list (the > >lists are internal to the system). This works great, except when a > >new user is added. We have to copy a new version of the distribution > >list into everyones directory. Doesn't take much time, just a pain. No you don't! Create a directory to which everyone has read access (let us call it DISK:[LOCAL] for now). Put the distribution file (say LIST.DIS) in this directory and define a systemwide logical name which points to it. Thus, $ CREATE/DIR DISK:[LOCAL] $ SET PROTECTION=W:R DISK:[000000]LOCAL.DIR $ EDIT DISK:[LOCAL]LIST.DIS $ DEFINE/SYSTEM LIST "@DISK:[LOCAL]LIST.DIS" Note the "@" in the logical. Then anyone on the system can send mail to the list by posting it to LIST. Works great if your needs are simple. > >Will the MX mailer work internally like we want? Also, where do I > >obtain a copy? > > > Yes, MX's mailing list support will do exactly what you want. Course, this does a whole lot more... > > You can get the latest version of MX via anonymous ftp from > ftp.wku.edu in [.MX.MX041]. > > Hunter > ------ > Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University > goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 15:15:52 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 16:12:58 EST From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098CD0A.1D3E2A00.29@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: How to define logical Hi: I have installed fnews on VAX/VMS v 5.5. UCX 2.0d. and MX v 4.1. FNEWS uses in% and we have mx% . To define appropriate logical I have done the following $ define/system mail$protocol_in mx_exe:mx_mailshr FNEWS does not seem to point to the right transport. I get mail error message when I try to reply to a posting. FNEWS constructs To: address as IN%"address". Here is the error %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK , symbolic stack dump follows. %SYSTEM-E-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name. Which logical should I point to. TIA Kamrul Ahsan /\ 0 Kamrul Ahsan /\ // \ /\ York College, CUNY /// \////// \/ \\\ Jamaica, NY 11451 / //// \ \\_____ Voice 718-262-2754 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Internet: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Bitnet: Kamyc@cunyvm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 16:18:44 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Hamilton, Harold (CIS)" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: 'owner-mx-list' Subject: RE: How to define logical Date: Fri, 03 Mar 95 15:08:00 MST Message-ID: <2F5795E3@mssmtp.simplot.com> Kamrul, > I have installed fnews on VAX/VMS v 5.5. UCX 2.0d. > and MX v 4.1. > > FNEWS uses in% and we have mx% . To define appropriate > logical I have done the following > > $ define/system mail$protocol_in mx_exe:mx_mailshr This logical must be defined in exec mode: $ define/system/EXEC mail$protocol_in mx_exe:mx_mailshr ^^^^^ > > FNEWS does not seem to point to the right transport. I get > mail error message when I try to reply to a posting. FNEWS > constructs To: address as IN%"address". Here is the error > > > %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport > %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK , symbolic stack dump follows. > %SYSTEM-E-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name. > > Which logical should I point to. > > TIA > > Kamrul Ahsan > > > /\ 0 Kamrul Ahsan > /\ // \ /\ York College, CUNY > /// \////// \/ \\\ Jamaica, NY 11451 > / //// \ \\_____ Voice 718-262-2754 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Internet: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu > Bitnet: Kamyc@cunyvm > Harold **************************************************************** Harold Hamilton Systems Programmer hh@simplot.com J. R. Simplot Company (208) 327-3251 5383 Irving Street Boise, Idaho, 83706 **************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 16:19:44 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 17:10:09 EST From: ANIL KHULLAR Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CD12.1A217EBE.15292@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu> Subject: RE: How to define logical Kamrul Ahsan > Hi: > > I have installed fnews on VAX/VMS v 5.5. UCX 2.0d. > and MX v 4.1. > > FNEWS uses in% and we have mx% . To define appropriate > logical I have done the following > > $ define/system mail$protocol_in mx_exe:mx_mailshr > > FNEWS does not seem to point to the right transport. I get > mail error message when I try to reply to a posting. FNEWS > constructs To: address as IN%"address". Here is the error > > In [FNEWS.SRC]CMD.C change reference of IN% to MX% and recompile ;-) also change FNEWS_MANAGER logical to be MX%whatever@yourlocalhost anil khullar PS: Please note I do not use FNEWS, just tested it once. You're better off using NEWSRDR > %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport > %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK , symbolic stack dump follows. > %SYSTEM-E-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name. > > Which logical should I point to. > > TIA > > Kamrul Ahsan > > > /\ 0 Kamrul Ahsan > /\ // \ /\ York College, CUNY > /// \////// \/ \\\ Jamaica, NY 11451 > / //// \ \\_____ Voice 718-262-2754 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Internet: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu > Bitnet: Kamyc@cunyvm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 12:50:40 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Address rewriting advice sought Message-ID: <1995Mar3.144515.12460@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: 3 Mar 95 14:45:15 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <9503011428.aa11918@uk.ac.ed.festival>, "S.T.Hayes" writes: >> Summary: How to change UK CBS addresses to standard MX addresses > >> After the change our users will find that the mail addresses they type >> to the "To:" prompt will change from: >> >> cbs%uk-order-site::user to mx%"user@world-order-site" > > This concerns me too, as I shall have to convert a number of VMS > machines from CBS to MX mail. > > There is a logical CBS_MAILSHR, which I guess handles all mail to > CBS%... It would be very nice to rewrite this module to send a message > back to the user to say it had failed, and a message to support in case > one of our system pseudo users was misbehaving! This was posted recently to the UK vms-comms list and may be of interest to a wider audience: I haven't looked at it myself yet: From: MX%"CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk" 2-FEB-1995 19:00:53.96 To: MX%"$Vms-Comms@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk" CC: Subj: Moving a VAX/VMS mail store to AXP/VMS ... Return-Path: Received: from mail-relay.ja.net by vaxc.dct.ac.uk (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 02 Feb 1995 19:00:48 GMT Via: uk.ac.jnt; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:57:47 +0000 Via: jnt.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:56:26 +0000 Received: from alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:54:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:52:46 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) To: $Vms-Comms@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-ID: <950202185246.20206981@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Moving a VAX/VMS mail store to AXP/VMS ... Sender: VMS-Comms-request@jnt.ac.uk Bruce Roger's query about moving a VMS mail store to Un*x reminded me: there must be many VMS-COMMS readers who have made the far less radical transition from VAX/VMS to AXP/VMS, and who need to provide a continuing `Reply' function to old CBS mail. Although I decided not to port CBS_Mailshr to AXP/VMS in its entirety, I did decide to provide some CBS% functionality, at least in so far as allowing `Reply' to be used to canonical CBS% addresses (i.e. those in which _all_ components are in UK order). A copy the new AXP Cbs_Mailshr (a self- installing command procedure, at least for the cognoscenti) is available from Ftp://Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk/Cbs_Mailshr.Com -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 Int +44 382 308810 ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 14:26:00 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 15:25:01 EST From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CDCC.94F92C80.1@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: RE: How to define logical > > This logical must be defined in exec mode: > > $ define/system/EXEC mail$protocol_in mx_exe:mx_mailshr > ^^^^^ > Harold, I have defined the above in EXEC but did not work. As Anil Khullar suggested, I had to modify the occurence of IN% to MX% in CMD.C file and recompile and relink them. Thank you. K /\ 0 Kamrul Ahsan /\ // \ /\ York College, CUNY /// \////// \/ \\\ Jamaica, NY 11451 / //// \ \\_____ Voice 718-262-2754 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Internet: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Bitnet: Kamyc@cunyvm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 11:09:13 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 11:06:04 CST From: Kenny Kon Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098CE71.926D90A0.18@BIBLE.ACU.EDU> Subject: List archives breaking up I have a list set up with the archive option. This list has quite heavy traffic every day with list archives running around 80 blocks everyday. I notice that throughout the month, the list tends to break up into seperate files with different versions, such as: STONE-CAMPBELL.1995-02;1 STONE-CAMPBELL.1995-02;2 STONE-CAMPBELL.1995-02;3 Every month I have to append these files together and delete the unneeded versions. Is there a reason why I have this problem of "fragmented" archives? Thanks! Kenny ----- Kenny Kon 303 Tampines St. 32, #12-58 Singapore 1852, Republic of Singapore kenny.kon@bible.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 13:51:30 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 13:51:09 CST From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CE88.A227E966.11@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: List archives breaking up Kenny Kon writes: > >I have a list set up with the archive option. This list has quite heavy >traffic every day with list archives running around 80 blocks everyday. I >notice that throughout the month, the list tends to break up into seperate >files with different versions, such as: > >STONE-CAMPBELL.1995-02;1 STONE-CAMPBELL.1995-02;2 >STONE-CAMPBELL.1995-02;3 > >Every month I have to append these files together and delete the unneeded >versions. Is there a reason why I have this problem of "fragmented" >archives? Thanks! > That happened here when MX tried to append to a file that was open by MX SMTP, Gopher, or some other process that had the file open. I solved it by moving the archives to a different location and updating the current file daily from the actual copy written to by MX MLF (MX SMTP reads the files from another directory). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 09:33:44 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 16:31:17 MEZ ( +0100) From: Peter Kobe Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CF68.2B721B68.5@PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE> Subject: PROBLEMS WITH MX-ROUTER Becaus of a DISk-Crash I had to reinstall MX Things run ok as long as incomming mail is concernd. outgoing mail is only done, if sent with enoungh privileges enabled the normal use is not informed of this desaster. the router log shows: 6-MAR-1995 16:17:18.88 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 1 6-MAR-1995 16:17:19.15 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 6-MAR-1995 16:17:19.20 %PROCESS, Message originated in VMS Mail. 6-MAR-1995 16:17:19.26 %PROCESS, will run domain expander on envelope addresses. 6-MAR-1995 16:17:19.26 %PROCESS, will run domain expander on message headers. 6-MAR-1995 16:17:20.17 %PROCESS, Updating the QENT source address. 6-MAR-1995 16:17:20.18 %PROCESS, Finished VMSmail-origin preprocessing. 6-MAR-1995 16:17:20.18 %PROCESS, Marking this entry as finished. for a failing mail and for a successful mail 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.59 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 15 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE e rr=00000000 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDPATH, domain name PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE matched p ath pattern PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE, path 1 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDALIAS, no alias found for KOBE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.86 %PROCESS, no alias found for KOBE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.86 %PROCESS, this is just a local delivery 6-MAR-1995 16:28:25.11 %PROCESS, Adding to LOCAL path: KOBE. 6-MAR-1995 16:28:25.41 %PROCESS, Path LOCAL gets 1 rcpts, entry number 16 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.59 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 15 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE e rr=00000000 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDPATH, domain name PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE matched p ath pattern PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE, path 1 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDALIAS, no alias found for KOBE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.86 %PROCESS, no alias found for KOBE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.86 %PROCESS, this is just a local delivery 6-MAR-1995 16:28:25.11 %PROCESS, Adding to LOCAL path: KOBE. 6-MAR-1995 16:28:25.41 %PROCESS, Path LOCAL gets 1 rcpts, entry number 16 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.59 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 15 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE e rr=00000000 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDPATH, domain name PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE matched p ath pattern PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop PIB1.PHYSIK.UNI-BONN.DE, path 1 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.85 %FINDALIAS, no alias found for KOBE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.86 %PROCESS, no alias found for KOBE 6-MAR-1995 16:28:24.86 %PROCESS, this is just a local delivery 6-MAR-1995 16:28:25.11 %PROCESS, Adding to LOCAL path: KOBE. 6-MAR-1995 16:28:25.41 %PROCESS, Path LOCAL gets 1 rcpts, entry number 16 ===================================================================== Peter Kobe Internet: Peter.Kobe@uni-bonn.de Physikalisches Institut HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM Universitaet Bonn Tel: (49) 228 73 3222 D 53115 Bonn FAX: (49) 228 73 7869 Nussallee 12 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 19:30:39 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: srchopr@chv.lincoln.cri.nz Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: How to define logical Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 13:59:32 +1300 Message-ID: <3jgem8$svo@zephyr.grace.cri.nz> Keywords: FNEWS To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In Article <0098CD0A.1D3E2A00.29@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Kamrul Ahsan writes: > FNEWS uses in% and we have mx% . To define appropriate >logical I have done the following > >$ define/system mail$protocol_in mx_exe:mx_mailshr Here it is defined as $ define/system mail$protocol_in mx_mailshr and it works fine. MX_MAILSHR is the name of the INSTALLed image. Sue /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ ! Sue Knight KNIGHTS@CHV.LINCOLN.CRI.NZ ! ! NZ Institute for Crop & Food Research Ltd. ! ! Private Bag 4704 Tel 64 3 325 6401 3562# ! ! Christchurch Fax 64 3 325 2074 ! ! ! ! Canterbury Ag & Science Centre, PSI 05301 4600000080::KNIGHTS ! ! Gerald St, Lincoln, NEW ZEALAND ! `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~' ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 09:35:39 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 09:31:47 CST From: Tom Worlton Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MultiNet-VMS@Support.TGV.COM CC: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098CFF6.BB6F1D1C.5@anpns1.pns.anl.gov> Subject: SMTP Mail problem I am having a problem sending SMTP mail from one node in my cluster. I am running OpenVMS 6.1, Multinet 3.3A, and MX 4.1. The error is: ---------------------------------------------------------------- MAIL> send/edit To: smtp%"tgworlton@anl.gov" %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport SMTP %LIB-E-ACTIMAGE, error activating image $8$DIA3:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE; -RMS-E-FNF, file not found MAIL> ---------------------------------------------------------------- Other nodes in my cluster can send mail with the smtp% prefix, and mail sent with the mx% prefix works from this node. I obviously have something set up wrong in either MX or Multinet. On another VAX node that works, the file MULTINET:SMTP_MAILSHR is installed, but it is not on this node. I am not sure how this file gets installed. Executing @multinet:start_smtp does not fix the problem. Information on my configuration follows. I would appreciate any help on fixing this problem. Tom Worlton ---------------------------------------------------------------- Logical names on the system ---------------------------------------------------------------- ANLPNS_SM>show logical *smtp* . . . (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) "MULTINET_SMTP_FORWARDER" = "OBERON.CTD.ANL.GOV" "MULTINET_SMTP_HOST_NAME" = "anpns1.pns.anl.gov" = "anlpns.pns.anl.gov" = "anpns6.pns.anl.gov" "MULTINET_SMTP_POSTMASTER" = "WORLTON" "MULTINET_SMTP_RETRY_INTERVAL" = "0 00:30:00.00" "MULTINET_SMTP_RETURN_INTERVAL" = "4 00:00:00.00" "MULTINET_SMTP_SEND_CLASS" = "16" "MX_SMTP_DIR" = "MX_ROOT:[SMTP]" "MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS" = "4" ANLPNS_SM> ---------------------------------------------------------------- Missing file information ---------------------------------------------------------------- ANLPNS_SM>dir sys$share:smtp* %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found ANLPNS_SM>dir multinet:smtp* Directory MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET] SMTP_ALIASES.;1 SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE;7 SMTP_MAILSHRP.EXE;3 SMTP_SERVER.EXE;7 Total of 4 files. ANLPNS_SM> ---------------------------------------------------------------- Information on installed images ---------------------------------------------------------------- ANLPNS_SM>install INSTALL> list smtp_mailshr %INSTALL-E-OPENIN, error opening DISK$SD3:SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not found INSTALL> ---------------------------------------------------------------- SMTP Configuration information ---------------------------------------------------------------- ANLPNS_SM>multinet configure/mail MultiNet Mail Configuration Utility 3.3(21) [Reading in configuration from MULTINET_ROOT:[MULTINET]START_SMTP_LOCAL.COM] [Reading in configuration from MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET]START_SMTP.COM] MAIL-CONFIG>show SMTP host names: anpns1.pns.anl.gov anlpns.pns.anl.gov anpns6.pns.anl.gov Host name alias file: none Postmaster userid: WORLTON Forwarder: OBERON.CTD.ANL.GOV DECnet mail domain: none Failed local mail will be returned to sender. Retry Interval: 30 minutes Return Interval: 96 hours VMS Mail REPLY control: REPLY-TO,FROM VMS Mail header control: MAJOR Disallow user Reply-To's: FALSE Delivery Receipts enabled: FALSE Alias file name: MULTINET:SMTP_ALIASES. SEND broadcast class: 16 Start queue manager: TRUE No SMTP gateways configured. Number of SMTP server queues: Node name Count --------- ----- (default) 1 No queue groupings. MAIL-CONFIG>exit [Configuration not modified, so no update needed] ANLPNS_SM> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 10:53:32 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 16:50:46 GMT From: "John Hill, Cavendish Lab, Cambridge Univ. (01223-337243)" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D034.0F1CEDA4.20@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Subject: RE: SMTP Mail problem >I am having a problem sending SMTP mail from one node in my cluster. I am >running OpenVMS 6.1, Multinet 3.3A, and MX 4.1. The error is: >---------------------------------------------------------------- >MAIL> send/edit >To: smtp%"tgworlton@anl.gov" >%MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport SMTP >%LIB-E-ACTIMAGE, error activating image >$8$DIA3:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE; >-RMS-E-FNF, file not found >MAIL> You need to define the logical MAIL$PROTOCOL_SMTP, viz: $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC MAIL$PROTOCOL_SMTP MX_MAILSHR This is discussed in the Management Guide, p5-1. When VMS mail parses the address, it interprets any initial string ABCD% to mean that a non-default mail interface should be used, and searches for ABCD_MAILSHR, unless the logical MAIL$PROTOCOL_ABCD is defined. Regards, John Hill ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 12:54:32 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:52:16 -0800 (PST) From: multinet-vms@support.tgv.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: tgworlton@anl.gov CC: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, multinet-vms@support.tgv.com Message-ID: <950307105216.23200239@TGV.COM> Subject: RE: SMTP Mail problem >Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 09:31:47 -0600 (CST) >From: Tom Worlton >Subject: SMTP Mail problem >To: MultiNet-VMS@Support.TGV.COM >Cc: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU >Reply-to: tgworlton@anl.gov >Message-id: <950307093147.20e058a6@anlpns.pns.anl.gov> >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >I am having a problem sending SMTP mail from one node in my cluster. I am >running OpenVMS 6.1, Multinet 3.3A, and MX 4.1. The error is: >---------------------------------------------------------------- >MAIL> send/edit >To: smtp%"tgworlton@anl.gov" >%MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport SMTP >%LIB-E-ACTIMAGE, error activating image >$8$DIA3:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE; >-RMS-E-FNF, file not found >MAIL> >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Other nodes in my cluster can send mail with the smtp% prefix, and mail sent >with the mx% prefix works from this node. I obviously have something set up >wrong in either MX or Multinet. On another VAX node that works, the file >MULTINET:SMTP_MAILSHR is installed, but it is not on this node. I am not >sure how this file gets installed. Executing @multinet:start_smtp does not >fix the problem. Information on my configuration follows. >I would appreciate any help on fixing this problem. > >Tom Worlton START_SMTP.COM will install SMTP_MAILSHR, and enable outgoing SMTP% mail, if and only if the PROGRAM parameter for the SMTP service is "MULTINET:SMTP_SERVER.EXE", and if the SMTP service is enabled. Issue the command $ MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER > SHOW/FULL SMTP to see how you have it set up. I assume that you either have SMTP disabled (which is normal if you're running MX) or have it set up to fire off some other program. If you have MX installed, and wish to have mail to SMTP% still work, then do something like this: $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC MAIL$PROTOCOL_SMTP MX_MAILSHR Regards, Aaron Aaron Leonard multinet-vms@tgv.com TGV MultiNet Support ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 13:17:06 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 12:14:08 MST From: "Michael L. Hitch" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D00D.69B5E3E0.378@msu.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: RE: MX SMTP Server access violation "Michael L. Hitch" writes: > daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) writes: > > Does anybody who's running MX and UCX find that the MX SMTP server dies from > > time to time with an unexplained access violation? We're seeing at least one > > incident a day at the moment. ... > I have been trying to find out what the access violation is, and as far > as I have been able to tell, it happens in netlib___alloc_ior at the code: > if (queue_remove(iorque.head, &ior)) { > The access violation shows a virtual address of 0, but I don't see where > that address is coming from. The instruction is REMQUE and I can't see > anything wrong with the data used by the instruction (assuming that I'm > looking at the correct data). ... > [I'm going to try upgrading to NETLIB 2.0C and see if it makes any > difference.] Well, I am now running NETLIB 2.0C and I still get the exact same access violation. I'm running out of things to try, other than to rebuild SMTP_SERVER with debug symbols so I can find out more about what connection is causing this problem. Michael --- Michael L. Hitch osymh@msu.oscs.montana.edu Computer Consultant, Office of Systems and Computing Services Montana State University, Bozeman, MT USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 14:52:00 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 14:49:35 CST From: Tom Worlton Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D023.20D22CCC.7@anpns1.pns.anl.gov> Subject: Solution to SMTP problem I posted an smtp problem and have been given the solution. I also have a suggestion for an addition to the installation documentation so others will not make the same mistake that I did. The MX installation manual, section 3.6.1, says to disable Multinet or other vendor SMTP support, but does not say that this will cause the SMTP% prefix to quit working. It also does not say that you can define a logical to cause SMTP% to work through MX. This is explained in the MX Management Guide, section 5.1.1, and I must have done that on all but one node in my cluster at first, but then forgot about it when someone complained about a problem on the other node. It would have helped to have a reference to this logical in the installation guide where it says to disable vendor smtp support. Thanks to Brian Tillman for sending me the solution which required the following logical definition: $ define/system mail$protocol_smtp mx_mailshr Tom Worlton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 16:06:32 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: poling@eisner.decus.org (JIM POLING) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: MAIL bounces, but nothing changed. Message-ID: <1995Mar7.150015.9311@eisner> Date: 7 Mar 95 15:00:15 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <3iksi4$2gs@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: > In article <1995Feb23.124818.9208@eisner>, poling@eisner.decus.org (JIM POLING) writes: > = Last error: %SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected > > This means that the remote system is not accepting connect requests on the > SMTP port (25), or at least that it's not accepting connect requests on that > port from your machine. So the problem is neither with your system nor with > your internet provider, but with the remote system. > > = Recipient #1: , Route=nysernet.org > = Error count=1 > = Last error: %SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout > > This one means that you're not getting a response soon enough to suit your > system. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL > Thanks for all your help, but some of these look like they should definitely go through. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, -Jim Poling MPL Corp. Buckhannon, WV USA JIM@WVLINK.MPL.COM Entry: 13, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 50 bytes Created: 7-MAR-1995 10:16:40.90, expires 6-APR-1995 10:16:40.90 Last modified 7-MAR-1995 14:38:42.12 SMTP entry #17, status: READY, size: 50 bytes, waiting for retry until 7-MAR-1995 15:08:43.42 Created: 7-MAR-1995 10:17:32.77, expires 6-APR-1995 10:16:40.90 Last modified 7-MAR-1995 14:38:43.44 Recipient #1: , Route=lists.utexas.edu DNS errors=9 Last error: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host Entry: 8, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 1230 bytes Created: 7-MAR-1995 12:36:53.99, expires 6-APR-1995 12:36:53.99 Last modified 7-MAR-1995 14:46:16.62 SMTP entry #9, status: READY, size: 1230 bytes, waiting for retry until 7-MAR-1995 15:16:18.40 Created: 7-MAR-1995 12:37:13.35, expires 6-APR-1995 12:36:53.99 Last modified 7-MAR-1995 14:46:18.44 Recipient #1: , Route=attmail.com DNS errors=5 Last error: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host Entry: 1, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 754 bytes Created: 7-MAR-1995 14:40:50.18, expires 6-APR-1995 14:40:50.18 Last modified 7-MAR-1995 14:46:06.11 SMTP entry #26, status: READY, size: 754 bytes, waiting for retry until 7-MAR-1995 15:16:14.97 Created: 7-MAR-1995 14:46:05.20, expires 6-APR-1995 14:40:50.18 Last modified 7-MAR-1995 14:46:15.02 Recipient #1: , Route=support.tgv.com Error count=1 Last error: %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 17:34:13 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 15:32:51 PST From: Virtual Bill Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D0F2.56AC1180.11@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com> Subject: MX Hanging on Inbound I'm having trouble with inbound mail hanging up. My inbound mail comes through an Ultrix machine to my cluster. Periodically, (about once or twice a day) my cluster won't accept the mail. I can shutdown MX across the cluster and restart it and mail starts up again. I have turned on debug for SMTP, LOCAL and DNSMTP and have found no errors in any of the log files. I did however, find a "no logical name match" error in my accounting file and traced it out to the MX_UUCP process. It dies everytime MX is started up. All the other MX processes come up fine. As I'm being fed by an Ultrix machine I was wondering if the periodic hanging up of MX is due to the missing process. Ideas? suggestions? I'm running MX V4.0, VMS V5.5-2 and DEC's TCP/IP Services V3.1. ============================================================================= | Disclaimer: The contents of this message reflects my personal opinion and| | not those of my employer or the organization through which Internet was | | accessed. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Bill Powers GTE Government Systems | | (415) 966-2757 internet: powers@powers.mtv.gtegsc.com | | fax: (415) 966-3401 | ============================================================================= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 08:52:00 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 18:44:24 EST From: Chris Coats - System Manager Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: coats@HAL.BROOKS.AF.MIL Message-ID: <0098D10D.18DF7F20.1@HAL.BROOKS.AF.MIL> Subject: Please send a message howdy: will some kind soul send mail to the address below just to reassure me that MX, which I just upgraded to 4.1, is actually working? I just upgraded from 3.3. BTW, I noticed that the upgrade procedure failed when it tried to create the new mail queue. Is that a well-known problem? I created "by hand" after the upgrade procedure was over, and everything seemed to work okay after that. now that i already upgraded, are there any other "gotchas" that I oughtta know about and fix? Thanks in advance. - Chris /*----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Coats Computer Sciences Corp. AL/AOELS coats@hal.brooks.af.mil Brooks AFB (210)536-3927 San Antonio, Tx. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 11:51:09 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 11:48:44 CST From: Tom Worlton Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D19C.321D3CE0.1@anpns1.pns.anl.gov> Subject: Sorting Mailing Lists I have created a mailing list which has now grown to about 300 people. I would like to look at that list in an organized way, but find the "review" very difficult to use. It is even difficult to search for individual users in a much smaller list. Has anyone written any routines to parse/sort the mailing lists? If no one else has done it, I might do it, but I would rather steal someone else's work. It would be simpler if the "review" would list the address first since not everyone has a personal name attached and if it were consistent in using the brackets. Tom Worlton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 13:58:59 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 13:56:17 EST From: Chris Coats - System Manager Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: coats@HAL.BROOKS.AF.MIL Message-ID: <0098D1AE.03948740.2@HAL.BROOKS.AF.MIL> Subject: Thanks, and... hi again: many thanks to (all) those who kindly responded to my plea. thanks also for the extra information that some of you provided. One final question, when I upgrade my system to VMS 6.0, do I need to re-install either MX 4.1 or NETLIB 1.6B ? - Chris /*----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Coats Computer Sciences Corp. AL/AOELS coats@hal.brooks.af.mil Brooks AFB (210)536-3927 San Antonio, Tx. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 21:12:12 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 21:09:37 CST From: Larry Horn Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D1EA.8D0B4C20.140@okra.millsaps.edu> Subject: RE: Sorting Mailing Lists >like to look at that list in an organized way, but find the "review" very >difficult to use. It is even difficult to search for individual users in >a much smaller list. Has anyone written any routines to parse/sort the Unless you have to do it a lot, wouldn't this be sufficient -- just stuff it in a COM file if you don't want to do it manually.... $ MCP REVIEW listname /OUT=x.x $ SEARCH x.x namepart ! /WINDOW=nn if you want context - ---------------------------------- 9-MAR-1995 21:09 C*T (USA) --- - Larry Horn / Millsaps College / Jackson, MS / hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu Larry Horn - ------------------------------------------------------------------ - ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 21:59:38 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: MAIL bounces, but nothing changed. Message-ID: <3jjls2$du@gap.cco.caltech.edu> From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Date: 8 Mar 1995 07:20:34 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995Mar7.150015.9311@eisner>, poling@eisner.decus.org (JIM POLING) writes: =Thanks for all your help, but some of these look like they should definitely =go through. Anybody have any ideas? = Recipient #1: , Route=lists.utexas.edu = DNS errors=9 = Last error: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host Your domain name server doesn't know how to about lists.utexas.edu (or, perhaps, about mojo.ots.utexas.edu). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:40:40 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: dahlman Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: post-4.1 upgrade troubles...help needed Date: 10 Mar 1995 20:22:24 GMT Message-ID: <3jqce0$6p3@xenon.brooks.af.mil> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Can anyone hazard a guess about why all the sudden our outgoing (SMTP) mail is not being sent? I just upgraded to MX 4.1 ( we're running VMS 5.5-2 and CMU-IP 6.6-5A). It seemed to work fine after the upgrade, but since I rebooted last night, it doesn't seem to work at all. Incoming mail seems to be okay, though. The queue entries all have the following status: Last error: %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operation I enabled debuggin/tracing and the next run of the SMTP agent produced an abundance of files, all with the same contents: 10-MAR-1995 13:12:55.89 Processing queue entry number 52 on node HAL 10-MAR-1995 13:12:56.05 Recipient: <*******@*****.***.****.***>, route=*****.***.****.*** 10-MAR-1995 13:12:56.05 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name *****.***.****.*** 10-MAR-1995 13:12:56.06 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 10-MAR-1995 13:12:56.09 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with *****.***.****.***. [***.***.***.**] 10-MAR-1995 13:12:56.10 -- failed, status=00000024 /*----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Coats Computer Sciences Corp. AL/AOELS coats@hal.brooks.af.mil Brooks AFB (210)536-3927 San Antonio, Tx. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------*/  ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:04:46 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Please send a message Date: 11 Mar 1995 23:39:34 GMT Message-ID: <3jtcbm$82u@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098D10D.18DF7F20.1@HAL.BROOKS.AF.MIL>, you write: = =howdy: = =will some kind soul send mail to the address below just to reassure me that MX, =which I just upgraded to 4.1, is actually working? Gee. First time I've ever heard of anybody ASKING to be mailbombed. Not only will I send the message, I'll keep a log of it. If it gets bounced, I'll post a copy of the log. =BTW, I noticed that the upgrade procedure failed when it tried to create the =new mail queue. Is that a well-known problem? Yes. =I created "by hand" after the upgrade procedure was over, and everything seemed =to work okay after that. That's the usual solution and outcome. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:25:19 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:23:49 -0800 (PST) From: ARTURO@opac.osl.state.or.us Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <950311192349.3a9a@opac.osl.state.or.us> Subject: Re: Please send a message Yes 4.1 does works, but don't try NEW MAIL QUEUE since it appears to screw thins up, otherwise looks and works about the same. Good luck. Life is peace, work could be peace, but fishing is life!! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 15:48:44 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:23 EST From: alanm@omnitrans.qc.ca Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Please send a message To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU SUBSCRIBE alanm@omnitrans.qc.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 16:20:27 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Number of SMTP processes? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 21:53:54 GMT Message-ID: <3jvqf9$27b@mark.ucdavis.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Anyone have any ideas, or experience on the effect of increasing the number of SMTP processes? I presume there is a point where it only makes congestion on the network worse. Does running them on a faster system (ie, an Alpha box) help a lot, or just somewhat? I've been increasing them a bit as I go along; I now have 11 spread over everything from a MicroVax 3100 to a DEC 3000-300L. Also, should anything be done when the VAX MX processes hit 3000 pages of memory (due to the callable mail memory leak, I believe)? I sometimes shut them all down and restart them. VMS 5.5-2, and 1.5; Multinet 3.3B, MX 4.1, if it matters. Thanks Mike =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Bowers Internet: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu University of California, Davis ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 21:22:39 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Number of SMTP processes? Date: 13 Mar 1995 02:54:07 GMT Message-ID: <3k0c4f$ilm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <3jvqf9$27b@mark.ucdavis.edu>, mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu writes: = =Anyone have any ideas, or experience on the effect of increasing the number =of SMTP processes? I presume there is a point where it only makes =congestion on the network worse. Does running them on a faster system =(ie, an Alpha box) help a lot, or just somewhat? Probably not even enough for you to measure. I can't think of any situation in which adding more SMTP processes would "just make congestion on the network worse" to the point where you'd be able to notice it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 01:45:29 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 08:43:27 +0100 From: Herve Gilibert -CRITeR- Universite de St Etienne Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098D4A6.F95048BD.24@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: Changing password from a POP client. Hello, I know it's not exactly the subject of the list but if somebody could help me ! I'am looking for program (daemon) running on VMS/Multinet allowing a POP client (ie Eudora) to change user's password like CHPASSWD on Unix boxes. Thanks in advance. -- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU CRITeR UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23, Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUUUUUUUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 05:01:37 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 05:58:58 EST From: Spencer Yost Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D48F.FED7FF40.7@ledger.co.forsyth.nc.us> Subject: Re: Number of SMTP processes? In article <3jvqf9$27b@mark.ucdavis.edu>, mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu writes: = =Anyone have any ideas, or experience on the effect of increasing the number =of SMTP processes? I presume there is a point where it only makes =congestion on the network worse. Does running them on a faster system =(ie, an Alpha box) help a lot, or just somewhat? There is a point where the added system overhead of additional processes is not worth the marginal increase in smtp response and delivery. At my site, multiple processes made a tremendous improvement in how fast mailing list traffic left my machine. Most individual messages were leaving quick enough with just one process. I do not know the magical formula, and even though some of the VMS performance gurus could probably tell you, I believe in most situations it is uneccessary and unwarranted. Just listen to your gut reaction (which should be reasonably close to the optimum), and then make an adjustment after a few days of observation. The granularity of resource vs. performance change in situation is so large(whole processes), you probably won't need to make a second change. While this doesn't really answer your question, I hope it eliminates any misgivings you may have in your own estimates and give you the confidence to believe in them. +================================+====================================+ | Spencer William Yost | Mis Department | | Vax/VMS Systems Manager | Forsyth County Government | | Yost@ledger.co.forsyth.nc.us | 200 N. Main St Room 603 | | | Hall Of Justice | | | Winston-Salem NC 27101 | +=====================================================================+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:13:53 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:12:34 PST From: Virtual Bill Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D4CC.91DFCD40.13@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com> Subject: MX Hanging on Inbound Last week I stated the following and asked for some ideas towards correcting the problem: >>I'm having trouble with inbound mail hanging up. My inbound mail comes >>through an Ultrix machine to my cluster. Periodically, (about once or >>twice a day) my cluster won't accept the mail. I can shutdown MX across >>the cluster and restart it and mail starts up again. I have turned on >>debug for SMTP, LOCAL and DNSMTP and have found no errors in any of the >>log files. I did however, find a "no logical name match" error in my >>accounting file and traced it out to the MX_UUCP process. It dies everytime >>MX is started up. All the other MX processes come up fine. As I'm being fed >>by an Ultrix machine I was wondering if the periodic hanging up of MX is due >>to the missing process. Ideas? suggestions? To date, I haven't heard anything from anyone. Even though my workaround of stopping and restarting MX is allowing me to process incoming internet mail, I do need to correct this problem. If more information is needed, I'll provide what I can. Again, I'm running MX V4.0, VMS V5.5-2 and DEC's TCP/IP Services V3.1. ============================================================================= | Disclaimer: The contents of this message reflects my personal opinion and| | not those of my employer or the organization through which Internet was | | accessed. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Bill Powers GTE Government Systems | | (415) 966-2757 internet: powers@powers.mtv.gtegsc.com | | fax: (415) 966-3401 | ============================================================================= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:51:27 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:43:45 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Stacks Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: MX Hanging on Inbound To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us Message-ID: <0098D567.CD13E2C0.3@adpce.lrk.ar.us> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Virtual Bill writes: > >Last week I stated the following and asked for some ideas towards correcting >the problem: > >>>I'm having trouble with inbound mail hanging up. My inbound mail comes >>>through an Ultrix machine to my cluster. Periodically, (about once or >>>twice a day) my cluster won't accept the mail. I can shutdown MX across >>>the cluster and restart it and mail starts up again. I have turned on >>>debug for SMTP, LOCAL and DNSMTP and have found no errors in any of the >>>log files. I did however, find a "no logical name match" error in my >>>accounting file and traced it out to the MX_UUCP process. It dies everytime Are you running DECUS UUCP on the VMS machine that is running MX? If not, the MC_UUCP process will die everytime. IMO if you are not running D-UUCP then you don't need the MX_UUCP process -- it does seem to me that you need something (guessing SMTP) to communicate with the Ultrix box. Get rid of MX_UUCP and try again. >>>MX is started up. All the other MX processes come up fine. As I'm being fed >>>by an Ultrix machine I was wondering if the periodic hanging up of MX is due >>>to the missing process. Ideas? suggestions? > Don't have any idea why MX is hanging -- maybe one of the MX gurus could help... >To date, I haven't heard anything from anyone. Even though my workaround of >stopping and restarting MX is allowing me to process incoming internet mail, >I do need to correct this problem. If more information is needed, I'll >provide what I can. > >Again, I'm running MX V4.0, VMS V5.5-2 and DEC's TCP/IP Services V3.1. Sorry, can't help on this... (running MX v4.1, VMS v6.1, DECUS UUCP v2.0, CMUIP v6.6-5a, NETLIB 2.0C) -- Rick ---------- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA 501-570-2174 | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 email: stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:41:44 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Subject: Any problems with MX and Decnet V (OSI) Date: 14 Mar 1995 14:00:02 GMT Message-ID: <3k47h2$e15@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I am about to upgrade our main system to Phase V Decnet. I am using the MX (latest version) for routing SMTP mail over the internet. Since we have a lot of users, I am somewhat nervous about this change but it needs to be done. Does anyone know if there will be problems with the MX program after the upgrade. That is, is anyone out there using Phase V Decnet on their computers and also using the MX server. Thanks in advance for you help Charlie Cooper cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu University of Texas School of Public Health ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:10:16 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:10:21 CST From: goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D573.E5F52E7D.1@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Any problems with MX and Decnet V (OSI) cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: > > I am about to upgrade our main system to Phase V Decnet. I am >using the MX (latest version) for routing SMTP mail over the internet. >Since we have a lot of users, I am somewhat nervous about this change >but it needs to be done. Does anyone know if there will be problems >with the MX program after the upgrade. That is, is anyone out there >using Phase V Decnet on their computers and also using the MX server. > You should encounter no problems at all; I didn't. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 10:34:45 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:32:10 GMT From: rourke_j@actfs.co.uk Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D5B1.9EB196C0.2@actfs.co.uk> Subject: RE: Any problems with MX and Decnet V (OSI) > I am about to upgrade our main system to Phase V Decnet. I am > using the MX (latest version) for routing SMTP mail over the internet. > Since we have a lot of users, I am somewhat nervous about this change > but it needs to be done. Does anyone know if there will be problems > with the MX program after the upgrade. That is, is anyone out there > using Phase V Decnet on their computers and also using the MX server. I am running MX 4.1, VMS 6.1 and DECnet/OSI V5.8 with no problem. This config was installed rather than upgraded since I have only recently started using MX. The only area of the manual that I found needed amendment for OSI was the part concerning SMTP over DECnet. The syntax for creating the network object is radically different for OSI. Use SYS$UPDATE:DECNET_MIGRATE to convert the command given in the manual to the OSI version. ============================================================================= John Rourke ** ***************** ******************** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ********* *** ****************** *** Financial Systems John.Rourke@actfs.co.uk ============================================================================= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 10:38:54 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:36:32 GMT From: "John Hill, Cavendish Lab, Cambridge Univ. (01223-337243)" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hill@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098D5B2.3AEEE295.1@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Any problems with MX and Decnet V (OSI) > I am about to upgrade our main system to Phase V Decnet. I am >using the MX (latest version) for routing SMTP mail over the internet. >Since we have a lot of users, I am somewhat nervous about this change >but it needs to be done. Does anyone know if there will be problems >with the MX program after the upgrade. That is, is anyone out there >using Phase V Decnet on their computers and also using the MX server. > >Thanks in advance for you help > >Charlie Cooper >cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu > >University of Texas >School of Public Health We've been running MX V4.1 since August 1994 with OpenVMS V6.1 (both VAX and AXP) and DECnet/OSI versions V5.7, 6.0 and 6.1 in succession, with no problems. This is with UCX V3.1 and then 3.2. On the DECnet/OSI side, get hold of ECO01 for V6.1 - it has a number of fixes that are worth installing. I would not install V6.0 at all (V5.7 or 5.8 are fine though). I can be more detailed in a private communication if you wish. Regards, John Hill ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:50:42 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:46:13 EST From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D592.0DC25200.90@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: MX Hanging on Inbound Bill Powers writes: >>I'm having trouble with inbound mail hanging up. My inbound mail comes >>through an Ultrix machine to my cluster. Periodically, (about once or >>twice a day) my cluster won't accept the mail. I can shutdown MX across >>the cluster and restart it and mail starts up again. I have turned on >>debug for SMTP, LOCAL and DNSMTP and have found no errors in any of the >>log files. I did however, find a "no logical name match" error in my >>accounting file and traced it out to the MX_UUCP process. It dies everytime >>MX is started up. All the other MX processes come up fine. As I'm being fed >>by an Ultrix machine I was wondering if the periodic hanging up of MX is due >>to the missing process. Ideas? suggestions? We aren't running UUCP, so I can't offer much help, but did you check all the items mentioned in section 3.7 of the MX Installation Guide? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:58:35 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 10:56:54 PST From: Virtual Bill Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D582.C8507300.6@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com> Subject: RE: MX Hanging on Inbound =>> You write: =>> > Last week I stated the following and asked for some ideas towards correcting =>> > the problem: =>> > =>> > >>I'm having trouble with inbound mail hanging up. My inbound mail comes =>> > >>through an Ultrix machine to my cluster. Periodically, (about once or =>> > >>twice a day) my cluster won't accept the mail. I can shutdown MX across =>> Michael, whom I thank for his quick response, wrote: =>> When things hang, is the SMTP_Server process running? =>> [MCR MX_EXE:MCP STATUS] =>> If it isn't, check MX_SMTP_DIR:SMTP_SERVER.LOG and see if it indicates why =>> it quit. =>> =>> How about debugging for the SMTP_SERVER process? =>> =>> Michael I turned on the SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG and waited for the next incoming internet mail to hang. When it did I checked the SMTP_SERVER processes and sure enough they had crashed. When I checked the SMTP_SERVER.LOG I found both had died, one at least because of an "access violation", i.e., %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=01, virtual address=0010C600, PC=00022788, PSL=0BC00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 00022788 00022788 000535DE 000535DE 000534FF 000534FF 00053E59 00053E59 80334355 80334355 SMTP_SERVER SMTP_SERVER 364 00000431 00002091 Quite a bit of incoming internet mail was received before the "access violation" was incurred. This error may have happened when my early morning shutdown and restart of MX was initiated. The time of the incident was close. As to why the SMTP_SERVER process on the other cluster node died, the log file just says: 14-MAR-1995 06:00:27.21: MX SMTP Server (pid 20404C4E) starting 14-MAR-1995 06:17:54.21: MX SMTP Server (pid 20404C4E) exiting Judgeing from the accounting log there's about a 15 minute separation between the "access violation" crash and the other server dieing. I'm no good at interpreting traceback dumps, so I have no idea what caused the dump. As for Rick's query about whether I was running DECUS UUCP, no I'm not. Perhaps, seeing the UUCP process dieing immediately, got me looking in the wrong direction. Does the above ring any bells? ============================================================================= | Disclaimer: The contents of this message reflects my personal opinion and| | not those of my employer or the organization through which Internet was | | accessed. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Bill Powers GTE Government Systems | | (415) 966-2757 internet: powers@powers.mtv.gtegsc.com | | fax: (415) 966-3401 | ============================================================================= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:48:06 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:02:27 EST From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D63B.F5F66580.1@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: MX Hanging on Inbound Bill Powers (powers@powers.mtv.gtegsc.com) writes; > I turned on the SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG and waited for the next incoming > internet mail to hang. When it did I checked the SMTP_SERVER > processes and sure enough they had crashed. When I checked the > SMTP_SERVER.LOG I found both had died, one at least because of an "access > violation", i.e., Several of us have seen SMTP server access violations as a result of really _long_ address in a header. A while back, a message with what I think was a very long From: address (or is might have been a To: address - I don't remember quite) was posted to a mailing list and caused MX to die when it was received. You should check this list's archives for the latter part of last year. The messages describing the problem should still be there. -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:45:06 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:06:33 EST From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wku.edu Message-ID: <0098D644.EA76E3C0.1@swdev.si.com> Subject: Apostrophes in addresses The MX User Guide states that MX can't handle quotes in addresses and so substitutes apostrophes so that a portion of the address will be used exactly as written. Is there any way apostrophes can be included in an address as an apostrophe? I tried doubling the apostrophe, but both were converted to quotes. The problem is this. We use MX as a gate between VMS and cc:Mail. Typically, if the user's cc:Mail name is "Tillman, Brian", for example, we have a VMS Mail profile entry of TILLMAN_BRIAN whose forwarding address is set to MX%"", where SMTPGWY is cc:Mail's SMTP gateway, which contains an alias table equating "tillman_brian" to "Tillman, Brian". This has been working very well for over a year. Recently, we've added employees whose names contain apostrophes (O'Banyon, for example). The apostrophe is perfectly legal in cc:Mail and the alias table on the cc:Mail gateway is automatically generated to contain the mapping of "O'Banyon, Sean" to "o'banyon_sean". I don't seem to be able to generate a reference to the "o'banyon_sean" alias, however. VMS Mail accepts a SET FORWARD/USER=O'BANYON_SEAN mx%"""something@smtpgwy""" but I can't find a way to put the apostrophe into the "something" string. Of course, we can modify the cc:Mail alias table, but that would then turn an automatic process into a manual one. Any other suggestions? -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 17:01:14 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:51:54 EDT From: mason_k@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098D675.28D22C80.30@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu> Subject: problem with mx 4.1 I'm having a problem sending mail out with MX but seem to have no problem receiving mail. The VMS support person suggested I upgrade from ver 3.3 to 4.1 but this didn't solve the problem. He said it appears that MX can't find the recipient(?) and suggested that I contact you. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm using VMS version 5.5-2. My home node is "cptvs4.cvm.ncsu.edu" and my userid is "kmm". I also have an alias, "kathy_mason@ncsu.edu". If this doesn't work for some reason (i.e, if you don't receive a reply via email within a day), my phone # is (919)829-4398 and my FAX is (919)829-4358. Thanks, Kathy Mason ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:24:18 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: problem with mx 4.1 Date: 16 Mar 1995 01:17:59 GMT Message-ID: <3k83k7$eie@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098D675.28D22C80.30@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu>, mason_k@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu writes: = =I'm having a problem sending mail out with MX but seem to have no problem =receiving mail. The VMS support person suggested I upgrade from ver 3.3 =to 4.1 but this didn't solve the problem. He said it appears that MX can't =find the recipient(?) and suggested that I contact you. Any help would be =greatly appreciated. I'm using VMS version 5.5-2. My home node is ="cptvs4.cvm.ncsu.edu" and my userid is "kmm". I also have an alias, ="kathy_mason@ncsu.edu". If this doesn't work for some reason (i.e, if you =don't receive a reply via email within a day), my phone # is (919)829-4398 =and my FAX is (919)829-4358. Er, how about a log of a session in which the incoming mail failed? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:50:16 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: problem with mx 4.1 Date: 16 Mar 1995 01:23:31 GMT Message-ID: <3k83uj$eie@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098D675.28D22C80.30@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu>, mason_k@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu writes: = =I'm having a problem sending mail out with MX but seem to have no problem =receiving mail. The VMS support person suggested I upgrade from ver 3.3 =to 4.1 but this didn't solve the problem. He said it appears that MX can't =find the recipient(?) and suggested that I contact you. Any help would be =greatly appreciated. I'm using VMS version 5.5-2. My home node is ="cptvs4.cvm.ncsu.edu" and my userid is "kmm". I also have an alias, ="kathy_mason@ncsu.edu". If this doesn't work for some reason (i.e, if you =don't receive a reply via email within a day), my phone # is (919)829-4398 =and my FAX is (919)829-4358. Well, I've tried sending a message. Everything looked OK from this end. Now you've got to enable debugging on your various agents and look at what the debug logs show you. I.e., $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC MX_SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG * $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC MX_ROUTER_DEBUG * $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC MX_LOCAL_DEBUG * send a message to the system via SMTP, then look at the debug logs created. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 07:48:34 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:48:46 EST From: "William G. Howard" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D703.36E0DE00.10@academ.wvwc.edu> Subject: RE: problem with mx 4.1 >From: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" 15-MAR-1995 19:29:16.52 >To: MX%"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu" >CC: >Subj: problem with mx 4.1 > >Return-Path: >Received: from WKUVX1.WKU.EDU by academ.wvwc.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, > 15 Mar 1995 19:29:13 EST >X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List >Warnings-To: <> >Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU >Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:51:54 EDT >From: mason_k@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The first thing I notice is that your from address is different from what you said your home machine is. You may need to show all you logicals and find out if you have one hanging around with the wrong hostname. >Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU >To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu >Message-ID: <0098D675.28D22C80.30@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu> >Subject: problem with mx 4.1 > >I'm having a problem sending mail out with MX but seem to have no problem >receiving mail. The VMS support person suggested I upgrade from ver 3.3 >to 4.1 but this didn't solve the problem. He said it appears that MX can't >find the recipient(?) and suggested that I contact you. Any help would be >greatly appreciated. I'm using VMS version 5.5-2. My home node is >"cptvs4.cvm.ncsu.edu" and my userid is "kmm". I also have an alias, >"kathy_mason@ncsu.edu". If this doesn't work for some reason (i.e, if you >don't receive a reply via email within a day), my phone # is (919)829-4398 >and my FAX is (919)829-4358. We had a similar problem when we converted from using UUCP for e-mail and MX for on campus lists to our internet connection. We found some logicals hanging around that were incorrect. You may also want to check within MCP to see if any of your aliases or rewrites are interfering. ,`````````````````````````````````````.`````````````````````````````````````, , William G. Howard (O.T.O.) . 1. Damned 2. Damned , , West Virginia Wesleyan College . if you if you , , howard_w@academ.wvwc.edu . Do Don't , , programmer@academ.wvwc.edu . , , howard_w@wvlink.mpl.com . C'mon, c'mon-it's one or the other. , , (304)473-8318 . -FarSide , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:40:20 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: desroches@aspen.uml.edu (Dick Desroches, ACC Systems Manager) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Old messages not deleting from queue Date: 16 Mar 95 09:28:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1995Mar16.092802.1@aspen.uml.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I recently discovered that the files in our queue directories (mx_flq_dir) are not being deleted. Presently just 2 or 3 messages are in the queue but if you actually get a directory listing of any of the 0 thru 9 subdirectories they are full of thousands of old messages. Why is this happening and how do I fix and prevent it? This may be related to the problem we are having with the "total entries" as shown by the "queue stat" command. The number of total entries never goes down by itself any more. I have to manually SYNCH the queue every few days to prevent it from exceeding the maximum. Thanks, Dick Desroches ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:06:52 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:04:11 EST From: Spencer Yost Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D716.22000A20.64@ledger.co.forsyth.nc.us> Subject: RE: Old messages not deleting from queue > I recently discovered that the files in our queue directories (mx_flq_dir) > are not being deleted. > > Presently just 2 or 3 messages are in the queue but if you actually get a > directory listing of any of the 0 thru 9 subdirectories they are full of > thousands of old messages. > > Why is this happening and how do I fix and prevent it? > > This may be related to the problem we are having with the "total entries" > as shown by the "queue stat" command. The number of total entries never > goes down by itself any more. I have to manually SYNCH the queue every few > days to prevent it from exceeding the maximum. > > Thanks, > Dick Desroches > I have found that occasionally sync-ing and compress-ing the queue prevents flakey behavior and corrupt queues. At system startup time might be an excellent time to do this. Currently I just schedule for Sunday nights. I have found doing this with the MX agents up can really add to your problems, so make sure the agents are down. Now that I do this, I never have this and other que related problems (run-away FLQ manager, and etc). +================================+====================================+ | Spencer William Yost | Mis Department | | Vax/VMS Systems Manager | Forsyth County Government | | Yost@ledger.co.forsyth.nc.us | 200 N. Main St Room 603 | | | Hall Of Justice | | | Winston-Salem NC 27101 | +=====================================================================+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:30:05 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: bottasini@cesi.it (Giuseppe Bottasini) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: VMS MAIL folders from SMTP client Message-ID: <1995Mar15.154933.779@cesi> Date: 15 Mar 95 15:49:33 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Is there a way to manage the folders of VMS MAIL from a SMTP client like PC Eudora thru MX server ? Please note I would like to view not only the "newmail" or "mail" folders but ALL the folder I created in my VMS MAIL account. Thank you in advance ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Giuseppe Bottasini |--------._______ CESI Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano |] | / Via Rubattino 54, 20154 Milano ITALIA |] | ( fax: +39 2 2125440 |--------:______\ Internet: bottasini@cesi.it | Are you interested in The opinions here expressed are mine, not CESI's | FLAGS ? E-mail me ! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:35:45 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:30:51 CST From: Tom Worlton Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D743.C482EEC0.14@anpns1.pns.anl.gov> Subject: Filtering mail, etc. Our mailing list received several spurious messages today because the person omitted the "-request" part of the address. Someone told me that some mailing list software is able to filter out commands sent to the list address instead of the request address. Is there a way to do that with MX? If not, has anyone used Deliver or some other product to do this? Tom Worlton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:20:18 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: dongray@genrad.co.uk (Derek Dongray) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Any problems with MX and Decnet V (OSI) Message-ID: <1995Mar14.170109.162@genrad.co.uk> Date: 14 Mar 95 17:01:09 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <3k47h2$e15@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>, cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: > I am about to upgrade our main system to Phase V Decnet. I am > using the MX (latest version) for routing SMTP mail over the internet. > Since we have a lot of users, I am somewhat nervous about this change > but it needs to be done. Does anyone know if there will be problems > with the MX program after the upgrade. That is, is anyone out there > using Phase V Decnet on their computers and also using the MX server. I've been using MX on a system running DECnet/OSI for about 7 months. No problems. I've even used (experimentally) the SMTP-over-DECnet option, again without difficulty. I backed off from upgrading our main clusters to phase V because we don't have any hardware routers on our local net, so too many other things would break; MX should not have a problem. Your mileage may vary. -- Derek Dongray, Systems Manager, GenRad Ltd., Cheshire, UK. E-mail : dongray@genrad.com or Derek.Dongray@GenRad.co.uk PSS : 234261600119::Dongray CompuServe : 70374,2745 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:39:20 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:38:55 CST From: goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: BOHANON@ZEUS.METC.STATE.MN.US Message-ID: <0098D7DB.C4B01A01.98@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: ADDRESS_REWRITER Help! Peg Bohanon ISD-RMF 681-4508 writes: > >Hi! > I've just done a new installion of MX 4.1 with NETLIB 1.6 on our VAX >(running OpenVMS 5.5-2 and CMU/IP 6.6-5A). I need to use the ADDRESS_REWRITER >module that is included in Appendix A of the "Message Exchange Programmer's >Guide" to rewrite our addresses on outgoing mail and on the envelope addresses >for incoming mail. But... we do not have a C compiler on our system. I have >been unable to find anything other than the C source code for the module on >any of the FTP sites that I have searched. I have a BLISS version of something similar. If you're interested, drop me a line via e-mail (privately, please, not to the list) and I'll mail it to you. It will be added to the next MX distribution, whenever that happens..... And in case any of you don't know, BLISS is now freeware, so you have no excuses for not installing it!! If you need it, you can find it on ftp.wku.edu in [.VMS.FREEWARE_CD.BLISS]!! Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:03:34 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:50:02 EST From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D7EE.159FC440.51@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: ADDRESS_REWRITER Help! Peg Bohanon writes: >Hi! > I've just done a new installion of MX 4.1 with NETLIB 1.6 on our VAX >(running OpenVMS 5.5-2 and CMU/IP 6.6-5A). I need to use the ADDRESS_REWRITER >module that is included in Appendix A of the "Message Exchange Programmer's >Guide" to rewrite our addresses on outgoing mail and on the envelope addresses >for incoming mail. But... we do not have a C compiler on our system. I have >been unable to find anything other than the C source code for the module on >any of the FTP sites that I have searched. One solution might be to get a GNU C compiler. It's free. Try one of the following FTP sites for a VMS version: ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se mango.rsmas.miami.edu prep.ai.mit.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:44:32 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:59:41 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: worlton@anpns1.pns.anl.gov, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098D7F7.D08CC4C0.8728@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Filtering mail, etc. > Our mailing list received several spurious messages today because the > person omitted the "-request" part of the address. Someone told me that > some mailing list software is able to filter out commands sent to the list > address instead of the request address. Is there a way to do that with MX? As documented in the MLF Guide, you can set a mailing list to accept mail from only those already subscribed. This removes spurious "Subscribe" messages, though it doesn't help you with "Unsubscribe" messages (etc.). - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 04:46:18 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Subject: Re: Old messages not deleting from queue Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 00:35:23 GMT Message-ID: <0098D80D.90FB03BA@sacto.mp.usbr.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995Mar16.092802.1@aspen.uml.edu>, desroches@aspen.uml.edu (Dick Desroches, ACC Systems Manager) writes: >I recently discovered that the files in our queue directories (mx_flq_dir) >are not being deleted. > >Presently just 2 or 3 messages are in the queue but if you actually get a >directory listing of any of the 0 thru 9 subdirectories they are full of >thousands of old messages. > >Why is this happening and how do I fix and prevent it? > >This may be related to the problem we are having with the "total entries" >as shown by the "queue stat" command. The number of total entries never >goes down by itself any more. I have to manually SYNCH the queue every few >days to prevent it from exceeding the maximum. > >Thanks, >Dick Desroches > Dick, Try: MCP> QUEUE PURGE/LOG This should give you an idea of how many dead entries you have, as well as get rid of them. -HWM ---------- Henry W. Miller Assistant Systems and Network Manager U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Mid Pacific Region 2800 Cottage Way MP1130 Sacramento, CA 95825 (916) 979-2373 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:34:55 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: dyson@blaze.physics.uiowa.edu (Rick Dyson) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1 oddity Message-ID: <1995Mar18.191228@blaze.physics.uiowa.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:12:28 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I have been having some problems with MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1. It comes and goes. :) The problem is that whenever I get MX mail come in to my account when I am logged on interactively, I never get the broadcast message or bell to my terminal session. I have Broadcast set, etc. Regular VMS mail works fine. Does anyone have any suggestion on where to look for problems? I should add that the MX mail is delivered, I just don't get told about any until I enter Mail and see the new mail count... p.s. I am running UCX v3.2 on my AXP. Thanks!!! rick dyson -- Richard L. Dyson INTERNET: Dyson@IowaSP.Physics.UIowa.EDU Why did the Lord give us so much quickness of movement unless it was to avoid responsibility? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:32:54 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:32:45 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D900.4606D552.9@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1 oddity dyson@blaze.physics.uiowa.edu (Rick Dyson) writes: > >I have been having some problems with MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1. It comes >and goes. :) > > The problem is that whenever I get MX mail come in to my account when >I am logged on interactively, I never get the broadcast message or bell >to my terminal session. > > I have Broadcast set, etc. Regular VMS mail works fine. > > Does anyone have any suggestion on where to look for problems? I >should add that the MX mail is delivered, I just don't get told about any >until I enter Mail and see the new mail count... > No suggestion, just wanted to point out that MX uses callable mail to do it's local deliveries. If there's a bug somewhere, it has to be in there, as MX itself makes no attempt to notify you; that's callable mail's job.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:44:06 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 19:30:48 EST From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098D9B8.670AF180.3@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1 oddity Rick Dyson writes: >I have been having some problems with MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1. It comes >and goes. :) > > The problem is that whenever I get MX mail come in to my account when >I am logged on interactively, I never get the broadcast message or bell >to my terminal session. Someone wrote about this problem, or one very similar to it just a couple of weeks ago and said the problem went away after applying an ECO. Check the recent archives for the answer. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:44:02 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: PGP and MX? Message-ID: <1995Mar19.212109.31@thehulk> From: munroe@dmc.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: 19 Mar 95 21:21:09 EDT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Generically, would it be possible to rig MX to support PGP "automagically"? In other words, to send message from a user in clear text, have MX encode them using PGP (or whatever) append the appropriate privacy blocks, etc., and the send it? There would have to be some way to look at messages to see if they WERE encoded, but... I haven't looked at this at all, but it seems to be an interesating possibility. Since I may have some free time coming up if the powers that be feel it's a reasonable thing to do, I may take a crack at it. -- Dick Munroe Internet: munroe@dmc.com Acorn Software, Inc. UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe 267 Cox St. Office: (508) 568-1618 Hudson, Ma. 01749 USA FAX: (508) 562-1133 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:52:21 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mfleming@csubak.edu (Michael W. Fleming) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX SMTP Server exiting, status = 1000000C Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:38:32 -0800 Message-ID: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU My SMTP server died and its log contains the following. 15-FEB-1995 09:58:32.77: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022D) starting 17-MAR-1995 17:51:49.89: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022D) exiting, status = 1000000C What does the status value mean and what documentation would allow me to find that out? Also, I have MX config'd via the MX_EVENT_OPER_CLASS logical to send messages to opcom whenever there's a problem; however, opcom gets lots of messages from lots of things and some things get missed (the main culprit is messages from PCs in labs on Pathworks for DOS having their DECNET connection going up and down). Is it possible to have the MX messages sent to a user via vmsmail instead? Other suggestions? The point of the preceding paragraph is that I looked through the opcom messages (carefully but not excruciatingly so) to see when the server died (that was before I thought to look at the server log file) and I couldn't find it. In putting together this posting and going over the MX manual I noticed that the documentation for the MX_EVENT_OPER_CLASS logical is in the *delivery agent* chapter. Does that mean that *entry agent* events are not logged? That would explain why I couldn't find an opcom message for the SMTP server going down (as also would my not looking closely enough). I couldn't find a corresponding logical mentioned in the entry agent chapter. Thanks, Michael -- Michael W. Fleming, Network Systems, Computer Services California State University, 9001 Stockdale Hwy, Bakersfield, Ca. 93311-1099 Voice/mail:(805)664-2115 (24hrs) Fax:(805)664-2099 (24hrs) mfleming@csubak.edu Disclaim: I directly represent only myself and my family; indirectly, I represent God and all His creation. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:17:13 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:16:53 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DA4D.551244C5.15@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX SMTP Server exiting, status = 1000000C mfleming@csubak.edu (Michael W. Fleming) writes: > >My SMTP server died and its log contains the following. > >15-FEB-1995 09:58:32.77: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022D) starting >17-MAR-1995 17:51:49.89: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022D) exiting, status = >1000000C > >What does the status value mean and what documentation would allow me to >find that out? > It's an access violation (write sys$output f$message(%XC)). Why I don't know, though there is obviously a bug somewhere in the code. >Also, I have MX config'd via the MX_EVENT_OPER_CLASS logical to send >messages to opcom whenever there's a problem; however, opcom gets lots of >messages from lots of things and some things get missed (the main culprit >is messages from PCs in labs on Pathworks for DOS having their DECNET >connection going up and down). Is it possible to have the MX messages >sent to a user via vmsmail instead? Other suggestions? > Anything's possible, since you have the sources and a free BLISS compiler.... >The point of the preceding paragraph is that I looked through the opcom >messages (carefully but not excruciatingly so) to see when the server died >(that was before I thought to look at the server log file) and I couldn't >find it. In putting together this posting and going over the MX manual I >noticed that the documentation for the MX_EVENT_OPER_CLASS logical is in >the *delivery agent* chapter. Does that mean that *entry agent* events >are not logged? That would explain why I couldn't find an opcom message >for the SMTP server going down (as also would my not looking closely >enough). I couldn't find a corresponding logical mentioned in the entry >agent chapter. > That logical applies to everything, though I have seen instances where no alarm was generated when the process dies unexpectedly. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:42:20 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:35:15 MST From: Rocky Mountain Star Stare '95 - July 28-30 Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com Message-ID: <0098DAFF.EACF75C0.4@borgil.cxo.dec.com> Subject: RE: MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1 oddity |> The problem is that whenever I get MX mail come in to my account when |>I am logged on interactively, I never get the broadcast message or bell |>to my terminal session. |> |> I have Broadcast set, etc. Regular VMS mail works fine. Rick, What do see for the following: $ SHOW LOGICAL MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS I don't remember which bit is for sending the notifications, but if its not set to 7 then that may be your problem. This may be a no brainer for most, but I had to ask... Mike ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:34:15 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Subject: Q: MX and Message Router Date: 21 Mar 1995 12:43:43 GMT Message-ID: <3kmhlv$7nh@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU We are looking at upgrading our PC-mail systems and one of the options is Dec's Mailworks. However, it requires non-X400 mail to be routed through a message router. Does anyone know how one can route mail from mailworks to SMTP mail using MX. I suppose that it means that the mail has to be send via the message router to MX and then out the internet. Dec's solution for SMTP mail is to send it to a UMC gateway (via some Ultrix box that we don't have). Is anyone doing anything like this? Our internet addresses are pretty long so we want to minimize what users have to enter in order to e-mail to internet users. Thanks for any help you can provide Charlie cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:34:37 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (SIC)) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Return-Path header in subscription messages Message-ID: <1995Mar20.122312.780@cesi> Date: 20 Mar 95 12:23:12 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello! I've noticed that the messages sent to a mailing list user when subscribing or unsubscribing have an incorrect Return-Path header: this is an example: >Return-Path: MX%bottasini@CESI.IT > ^^^ >Received: from vax8530.cesi.it (vax8530.cesi.it [192.106.198.5]) by tivoli.com (8.6.10/8.6.9-ESMTP) with SMTP id CAA08313 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 02:20:08 -0600 >Message-Id: <199503170820.CAA08313@tivoli.com> >Received: by cesi.it (MX V4.1 VAX) id 7; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:19:50 +0100 >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:19:50 +0100 >Sender: Postmaster@CESI.IT >Errors-To: Postmaster@CESI.IT >Warnings-To: <> >From: MX mailing list processor >To: brianc@tivoli.com >Subject: Subscription to mailing list flags Have you any idea of the reason? Is it a misconfiguration problem? I have VMS 6.1 (VAX), Multinet 3.3C and MX 4.1A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, SIC tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 21034 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:35:08 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX SMTP Server exiting, status = 1000000C Date: 21 Mar 1995 18:24:10 GMT Message-ID: <3kn5ka$38h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article , mfleming@csubak.edu (Michael W. Fleming) writes: =My SMTP server died and its log contains the following. = =15-FEB-1995 09:58:32.77: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022D) starting =17-MAR-1995 17:51:49.89: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022D) exiting, status = =1000000C = =What does the status value mean and what documentation would allow me to =find that out? It means you tried to access a memory location in a fashion for which you didn't have the necessary privileges. $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MESSAGE(%X1000000C) %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB, virtual address=!XL, PC=!XL, PSL=!XL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:15:27 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:10:13 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: VMS HTTPD discussion group? Would someone here please give me the address for the mail list discussing the VMS HTTPD server? Thanks! (I can't find the docs discussing how to set up the suffix rules....) Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu Systems Manager College of Biblical and Family Studies Abilene Christian University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 10:27:40 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 10:26:46 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DBC7.E6027C81.43@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: VMS HTTPD discussion group? Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) writes: > >Would someone here please give me the address for the mail list discussing >the VMS HTTPD server? > To subscribe to VMS-Web-Daemon, send the following command in the body of a mail message to : SUBSCRIBE VMS-Web-Daemon "Your real name here" Note that that's MXserver, not the list itself! Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 10:59:39 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: RE: MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1 oddity Date: 22 Mar 1995 16:51:16 GMT Message-ID: <3kpki4$bag@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098DAFF.EACF75C0.4@borgil.cxo.dec.com>, Rocky Mountain Star Stare '95 - July 28-30 writes: =|> The problem is that whenever I get MX mail come in to my account when =|>I am logged on interactively, I never get the broadcast message or bell =|>to my terminal session. =|> =|> I have Broadcast set, etc. Regular VMS mail works fine. = = Rick, = = What do see for the following: = = $ SHOW LOGICAL MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS = = I don't remember which bit is for sending the notifications, but if its = not set to 7 then that may be your problem. = = This may be a no brainer for most, but I had to ask... Well, in that case, you should've asked instead of giving a wrong answer. The bits in MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS are interpreted as: 1: You've got a homogenous cluster. If mail destined for one node arrives on another node in the cluster, then rather than delivering the mail via DECnet, MAIL will deliver the mail directly to the recipient's mail file. 2: Set the cluster breakthrough flag when issuing the $BRKTHRU service to notify the user of new mail. Typically only used in homogenous clusters, but can be used in non-homogenous clusters. This is the bit you were thinking of. 4: Include the time the message was delivered in the $BRKTHRU service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:14:14 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:11:46 -0700 From: KARL Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: tang@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM, kish@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM Message-ID: <0098DBE7.555853C0.24251@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM> Subject: HELP MX mail is down. HELP after a power outage our AXP and VAX 6.1 system quit delivering SMTP mail to the VMS accounts. After I set debug it show the following: $ type MX_LOCAL_LOG.LOG 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.11 Processing queue entry number 792 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.27 Checking local name: KISH 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.28 LOCAL_USER: User KISH definitely local. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.29 This is a regular delivery. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.32 DELIVER: mime_base64_fdl = 0 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.32 DELIVER: fdlstr = "" 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.33 DELIVER: Using MX%"FLYFISH@UKCC.uky.edu" as VMS MAIL F rom address. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.33 DELIVER: Using "FLYFISH Digest - 19 Mar 1995 to 20 Ma r 1995" as subject. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.39 DELIVER: Delivering to KISH 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: Status=007E81FA from MAIL$ routines 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.67 Setting up for retry at 22-MAR-1995 12:35:21.67 $ Any one have some ideas please send me mail at KISH@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM since my list goes to the down machine ..... Thanks Karl Kish KISH@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM PS this is version 3.3.... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 03:06:17 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:03:47 GMT From: "John Hill, Cavendish Lab, Cambridge Univ. (01223-337243)" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hill@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098DC85.78D41A4B.3@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Subject: RE: MX v4.1 and AXP/VMS v6.1 oddity > The >bits in MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS are interpreted as: > 1: You've got a homogenous cluster. If mail destined for one node > arrives on another node in the cluster, then rather than delivering > the mail via DECnet, MAIL will deliver the mail directly to the > recipient's mail file. > 2: Set the cluster breakthrough flag when issuing the $BRKTHRU service > to notify the user of new mail. Typically only used in homogenous > clusters, but can be used in non-homogenous clusters. This is the > bit you were thinking of. > 4: Include the time the message was delivered in the $BRKTHRU service. For completeness, one should add: 8: Use the node synonym rather than the fullname in the From: field of DECnet mail (OpenVMS VAX V6.1 - doesn't apply to AXP V6.1 as this doesn't fully support fullnames). John Hill +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + John Hill University of Cambridge, + + E-mail: hill@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Cavendish Laboratory, + + Phone: +44-1223-337243 Madingley Road, + + Fax: +44-1223-353920 Cambridge, CB3 0HE, U.K. + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 07:59:54 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 13:56:37 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098DCAE.61511A55.293@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: MX LOCAL problems Ok, I'm running MX 4.1 on a VAX 8350 with VMS 5.5-2 and Multinet 3.3D/NETLIB 2.0c. After about 2 weeks of running, the MX local process suddenly stops delivering messages to users. On investigating, I find that the MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] directory contains several thousand files of the form LCL_xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxx.TMP each zero blocks in size. If I delete all these files, MX LOCAL starts working again. There are several questions here: 1. Why does this huge flood of files suddenly appear after several weeks of normal running (I've checked and they don't build up gradually)? 2. Why does MX LOCAL stop working when the directory reaches a certain size (of the order of 2000 blocks)? Note that, before starting to delete all these files, it is necessary to stop MX LOCAL otherwise it just keeps creating them and you end up fighting yourself! Also, the file deletion is horrendously slow since DELETE removes files from the start of the directory and has to move everything else up as it goes (wouldn't it be nice to have a utility to delete files in a directory starting with the last named, to avoid this problem - any offers gratefully received). I'ld be grateful for any clues as to why this is happening and, more importantly, is there a cure? I should add that I have turned off MX's use of EXQUOTA privilege on the MX LOCAL process because we wish to enforce disk quota restrictions here (could this be made an MX configuration option?). Many users regularly cannot receive mail as a result. I suspect MX cannot cope with this very well but I'ld be grateful for any confirmation. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:49:13 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:49:01 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: UDAA055@KCL.AC.UK Message-ID: <0098DC8B.CAA32C87.30@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX LOCAL problems "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" writes: > >Ok, I'm running MX 4.1 on a VAX 8350 with VMS 5.5-2 and Multinet 3.3D/NETLIB >2.0c. > >After about 2 weeks of running, the MX local process suddenly stops delivering >messages to users. On investigating, I find that the MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] directory >contains several thousand files of the form LCL_xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxx.TMP >each zero blocks in size. If I delete all these files, MX LOCAL starts working >again. > >There are several questions here: > >1. Why does this huge flood of files suddenly appear after several weeks > of normal running (I've checked and they don't build up gradually)? > My guess is that the memory leak is callable MAIL is eventually taking our your MX Local process. Digital's "solution" to this is to periodically stop and restart such processes, according to a DSIN article about the bug. BTW, the claim the memory leaks are fixed in V6.2.... >2. Why does MX LOCAL stop working when the directory reaches a certain > size (of the order of 2000 blocks)? > My guess here is that your system can no longer extend the directory file, so no new files can be created. >I should add that I have turned off MX's use of EXQUOTA privilege on the MX >LOCAL process because we wish to enforce disk quota restrictions here (could >this be made an MX configuration option?). It's on the wish list.... >Many users regularly cannot receive >mail as a result. I suspect MX cannot cope with this very well but I'ld be >grateful for any confirmation. > It *should* just bounce the message in that case; it shouldn't cause the problems you're seeing. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:17:25 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:14:26 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DC8F.575C3E9A.39@uwwvax.uww.edu> Subject: RE: MX LOCAL problems => I should add that I have turned off MX's use of EXQUOTA privilege on the MX => LOCAL process because we wish to enforce disk quota restrictions here (could => this be made an MX configuration option?). Many users regularly cannot receive => mail as a result. I suspect MX cannot cope with this very well but I'ld be => grateful for any confirmation. MX copes with this very well, I have absolutely no problems enforcing quotas. I also use MULTINET Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:26:58 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: HELP MX mail is down. Date: 23 Mar 1995 16:12:54 GMT Message-ID: <3ks6m6$20i@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098DBE7.555853C0.24251@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM>, KARL writes: =22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: Status=007E81FA from MAIL$ routines =22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. =22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.67 Setting up for retry at 22-MAR-1995 12:35:21.67 =$ = =Any one have some ideas please send me mail at KISH@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM =since my list goes to the down machine ..... OK, MX is calling the MAIL$ routines, which are trying to open a file, and failing. The first question is, "Which file?" Probably the easiest way to find out is to try sending VMS mail to KISH on the machine in question (make sure you send a file that's at least three blocks long). MAIL should give you the same error status, but it will also give you a full error messasge, including the name of the file it's failing to open. At that point, you can deal with the second question, "Why is it unable to open the file?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:40:33 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX LOCAL problems Date: 23 Mar 1995 16:30:27 GMT Message-ID: <3ks7n3$20i@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098DCAE.61511A55.293@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>, "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" writes: =Ok, I'm running MX 4.1 on a VAX 8350 with VMS 5.5-2 and Multinet 3.3D/NETLIB =2.0c. = =After about 2 weeks of running, the MX local process suddenly stops delivering =messages to users. On investigating, I find that the MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] directory =contains several thousand files of the form LCL_xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxx.TMP =each zero blocks in size. If I delete all these files, MX LOCAL starts working =again. = =There are several questions here: Unfortunately, you haven't provided us with enough information for anybody to give a definitive answer. I'll make a guess, but that's all it is: A guess. What I'm about to describe is consistent with your description, but may not be the only possible cause. =1. Why does this huge flood of files suddenly appear after several weeks = of normal running (I've checked and they don't build up gradually)? Could be that you're running out of disk quota on the disk in question, or that the disk in question is filling up. In that case, you'll be able to create files on the disk, but when you try to allocate space to them, such attempts will fail. If space becomes available on the disk, you'll be able to create files and allocate space to them until you run out of space again. =2. Why does MX LOCAL stop working when the directory reaches a certain = size (of the order of 2000 blocks)? Directory files must be contiguous. That means that if you use up all the allocated space in a directory file, VMS has to create a new contiguous file and copy the contents of the old directory file to that. If you don't have the necessary contiguous disk space, attempts to expand the directory will fail. At that point, not only will MX be unable to allocate space to the files it's trying to create, it won't be able to create them in the first place. So it encounters a different error than it did in question 1. =I'ld be grateful for any clues as to why this is happening and, more =importantly, is there a cure? As I said, the above is just a guess. To see whether it's likely to be valid, check the disk quota for the account under which you're running MX on the disk in question. If necessary, increase it. And you may want to consider defragmenting the disk MX uses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:45:47 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:37:07 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU CC: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu, udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098DCC4.CD06AC7C.185@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: MX LOCAL problems >>1. Why does this huge flood of files suddenly appear after several weeks >> of normal running (I've checked and they don't build up gradually)? >> >My guess is that the memory leak is callable MAIL is eventually taking >our your MX Local process. Digital's "solution" to this is to >periodically stop and restart such processes, according to a DSIN >article about the bug. BTW, the claim the memory leaks are fixed in >V6.2.... Thanks I'll instigate a regular job to do this and see if makes a difference. >>2. Why does MX LOCAL stop working when the directory reaches a certain >> size (of the order of 2000 blocks)? >> >My guess here is that your system can no longer extend the directory >file, so no new files can be created. Hmm. I thought directory size limitations in VMS had been removed; back to the file systems internals book... >>I should add that I have turned off MX's use of EXQUOTA privilege on the MX >>LOCAL process because we wish to enforce disk quota restrictions here (could >>this be made an MX configuration option?). > >It's on the wish list.... Excellent - thanks. >>Many users regularly cannot receive >>mail as a result. I suspect MX cannot cope with this very well but I'ld be >>grateful for any confirmation. >> >It *should* just bounce the message in that case; it shouldn't cause >the problems you're seeing. The problems may be unrelated (messages do get bounced after the retry count has been exceeded) but I have also seen a similar problem when a disk gets full (Though i can't recall the details at present). Thanks for the suggestions. Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:34:31 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:32:58 MST From: kish@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DC91.EE4852BF.5@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM> Subject: Re: HELP MX mail is down. In article <0098DBE7.555853C0.24251@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM>, KARL writes: =22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: Status=007E81FA from MAIL$ routines =22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. =22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.67 Setting up for retry at 22-MAR-1995 12:35:21.67 =$ = =Any one have some ideas please send me mail at KISH@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM =since my list goes to the down machine ..... Fixed.... The system account was farkeled to be sys$sysroot[Sysmgr] rather than sys$sysroot:[sysmgr] ( we are still looking at how... Thaks all for the response.... Karl On the bright side we are on 4.1 now>>>>> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:40:02 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:37:58 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: MX LOCAL problems Our MX MLF process dies randomly on its own. Usually once every couple of days or so.... Where do I start looking to find out why? Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu Systems Manager College of Biblical and Family Studies Abilene Christian University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 12:48:04 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: kish@axp.iac.honeywell.com () Subject: MX delivery to VMS mail gone after REBOOT Date: 23 Mar 1995 16:05:45 GMT Message-ID: <3ks68p$j8m@adm09.iac.honeywell.com> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU HELP! HELP after a power outage our AXP and VAX 6.1 system quit delivering SMTP mail to the VMS accounts. After I set debug it show the following: $ type MX_LOCAL_LOG.LOG 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.11 Processing queue entry number 792 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.27 Checking local name: KISH 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.28 LOCAL_USER: User KISH definitely local. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.29 This is a regular delivery. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.32 DELIVER: mime_base64_fdl = 0 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.32 DELIVER: fdlstr = "" 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.33 DELIVER: Using MX%"FLYFISH@UKCC.uky.edu" as VMS MAIL F rom address. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:20.33 DELIVER: Using "FLYFISH Digest - 19 Mar 1995 to 20 Ma r 1995" as subject. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.39 DELIVER: Delivering to KISH 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: Status=007E81FA from MAIL$ routines 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.43 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. 22-MAR-1995 12:05:21.67 Setting up for retry at 22-MAR-1995 12:35:21.67 $ Any one have some ideas please send me mail at KISH@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM since my list goes to the down machine ..... Thanks Karl Kish KISH@IASDV1.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM PS this is version 3.3.. However in a moment of true insanity we upgraded to 4.1 and still have the same problem! Tehese systems have been running with no change sice the end of Field test 3.1 sigh..... HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 14:30:20 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 14:28:07 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098DCB2.C7F2CBD8.146@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Phantom messages MX Lovers: MX has been behaving so nicely for me that I haven't been paying must attention to the error reports the last few weeks, so I'm not sure if this is a FAQ by this time .. I've noticed that CANCELED messages occasionally won't go away. Even if I PURGE the queue and confirm that its empty (QUE SHO/ALL) an hour later its back again. I've observed two things about these phantoms 1. they are zero length. 2. there is never more than one. Configuration is V4.1 VAX. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 14:46:10 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: RE: MX LOCAL problems Date: 23 Mar 1995 20:40:48 GMT Message-ID: <3ksmcg$8pr@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098DCC4.CD06AC7C.185@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>, "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" writes: =>>2. Why does MX LOCAL stop working when the directory reaches a certain =>> size (of the order of 2000 blocks)? =>> =>My guess here is that your system can no longer extend the directory =>file, so no new files can be created. = = Hmm. I thought directory size limitations in VMS had been removed; back to = the file systems internals book... Er, I think you misunderstand: It's not an inherent directory size limitation. It's a problem with finding enough contiguous space on the disk. Directories must be contiguous. To extend a directory, VMS allocates the necessary contiguous space, copies the contents of the directory file to the new space, then diddles with the file header and BITMAP.SYS to reflect the fact that the blocks in the directory file have changed. If VMS can't find enough contiguous space on the disk, the directory can't be extended. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:54:57 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 17:11:32 EST From: Teresa Jean Feck Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DCC9.9BC780A0.442@fre.fsu.umd.edu> Subject: Key word search on MX archives Date sent: 23-MAR-1995 17:10:48 Two questions for the group: (1) Does anyone know of a way that the mx listserver archives in the ultrix or VMS environment can be searched on a keyword by using the gopher menu system as a front-end? If yes, what software are you using and where can I get it? Any known problems for getting it to work? (2) A well-established list that has been running with the REPLY back to the list is now changing such that the REPLY goes back to the sender. Where previously the lists name appears in the FROM address and is used by some subscribers to sort and identify mail from the group, now the sender's name appears in the FROM and subscribers are unable to easily identify mail from the group. Thus, is there some way to have the list's name displayed in the FROM line or SUBJECT line but still have REPLIES routed back to the sender and not the list? Any help with the above questions will be greatly appreciated. Teresa Feck System Manager _______________________________ Teresa J. Feck Internet: feck@fre.fsu.umd.edu Academic Computing Bitnet: feck@fre.towson.edu Frostburg State University Phonemail: (301) 689-7090 Frostburg, Maryland 21532 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:59:56 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:59:49 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DCC7.F8C44330.13@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Key word search on MX archives Teresa Jean Feck writes: > >(1) Does anyone know of a way that the mx listserver archives in the ultrix >or VMS environment can be searched on a keyword by using the gopher menu system >as a front-end? > Bruce Tanner's BUILD_INDEX works with Gopher to do this. I believe BUILD_INDEX comes with the Gopher server. The MX-List archives are online and searchable via gopher.wku.edu (under MadGoat Software). >(2) A well-established list that has been running with the REPLY back to the >list is now changing such that the REPLY goes back to the sender. Where >previously the lists name appears in the FROM address and is used by some >subscribers to sort and identify mail from the group, now the sender's name >appears in the FROM and subscribers are unable to easily identify mail from the >group. Thus, is there some way to have the list's name displayed in the FROM >line or SUBJECT line but still have REPLIES routed back to the sender >and not the list? > No, although you can have the From: line (actually, the Reply-To:) include both the list and the sender addresses. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:33:57 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: kish@axp.iac.honeywell.com () Subject: Re: MX delivery to VMS mail gone after REBOOT Date: 24 Mar 1995 00:15:17 GMT Message-ID: <3kt2ul$kum@adm09.iac.honeywell.com> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Never Mind!!!! Some how the entry for system in sysuaf had the device changed.... Sigh... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 02:28:10 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:26:20 +0200 Message-ID: <95032409261916@pib4.physik.uni-bonn.de> From: system@pib4.physik.uni-bonn.de (Peter Kobe) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Subject: MX Privilege Problem The carneval-war-story: 1) The Campus-Router connecting our subnet to the rest of the world crashed. 2) the disk MX-Device crashed irreparable 3) there was no backup of mx-device in total: 5 Days with no mail for about 250 Users I took MX from wku.edu and installed it. No problem. Things worked again - thought the system manager. But only his mail was sent out. No normal user's mail was sent out. And the users were not informed by MX that something went wrong. Any Ideas on what went wrong? Peter ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 05:13:32 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:10:53 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098DD60.64603435.40@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: MX LOCAL problems >=1. Why does this huge flood of files suddenly appear after several weeks >= of normal running (I've checked and they don't build up gradually)? > >Could be that you're running out of disk quota on the disk in question, or that >the disk in question is filling up. In that case, you'll be able to create >files on the disk, but when you try to allocate space to them, such attempts >will fail. If space becomes available on the disk, you'll be able to create >files and allocate space to them until you run out of space again. These were my first thoughts too but The disk in question is only about 1/3 full and the disk quotas are more than sufficient. >=2. Why does MX LOCAL stop working when the directory reaches a certain >= size (of the order of 2000 blocks)? > >Directory files must be contiguous. That means that if you use up all the >allocated space in a directory file, VMS has to create a new contiguous file >and copy the contents of the old directory file to that. If you don't have the >necessary contiguous disk space, attempts to expand the directory will fail. >At that point, not only will MX be unable to allocate space to the files it's >trying to create, it won't be able to create them in the first place. So it >encounters a different error than it did in question 1. Good point, I hadn't thought of that one. However, my disks are defragmented regularly (weekly), using Digital's DFO, so I would have thought it unlikely but I will check to see. Thanks for the suggestions, Carl. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 05:16:36 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:14:11 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098DD60.DAA32AD5.258@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: MX LOCAL problems >=>My guess here is that your system can no longer extend the directory >=>file, so no new files can be created. >= >= Hmm. I thought directory size limitations in VMS had been removed; back to >= the file systems internals book... > >Er, I think you misunderstand: It's not an inherent directory size limitation. >It's a problem with finding enough contiguous space on the disk. Directories >must be contiguous. To extend a directory, VMS allocates the necessary >contiguous space, copies the contents of the directory file to the new space, >then diddles with the file header and BITMAP.SYS to reflect the fact that >the blocks in the directory file have changed. If VMS can't find enough >contiguous space on the disk, the directory can't be extended. Thanks for clarifying that Carl; Of course that's right - I've obviously been away from VMS for too long (dealing with unix :-( ) .... Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:05:25 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:00:55 +0100 From: rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DD6F.C3F24FC8.476@uni-lj.si> Subject: Re: MX LOCAL problems > >=1. Why does this huge flood of files suddenly appear after several weeks > >= of normal running (I've checked and they don't build up gradually)? > > > >Could be that you're running out of disk quota on the disk in question, or that > >the disk in question is filling up. In that case, you'll be able to create > >files on the disk, but when you try to allocate space to them, such attempts > >will fail. If space becomes available on the disk, you'll be able to create > >files and allocate space to them until you run out of space again. > > These were my first thoughts too but The disk in question is only about > 1/3 full and the disk quotas are more than sufficient. How about free headers then? Regards, Rok Vidmar Internet: rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si National and University Library Phone: +386 61 125 4218 Turjaska 1, 61000 Ljubljana Fax: +386 61 125 5007 Slovenia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:04:38 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:01:53 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Stacks Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: MX Privilege Problem To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DD45.FDC44500.15@adpce.lrk.ar.us> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT writes in <95032409261916@pib4.physik.uni-bonn.de>: > >The carneval-war-story: > 1) The Campus-Router connecting our subnet to the rest > of the world crashed. > 2) the disk MX-Device crashed irreparable > 3) there was no backup of mx-device > > in total: 5 Days with no mail for about 250 Users > > I took MX from wku.edu and installed it. No problem. Things worked > again - thought the system manager. But only his mail was sent out. > No normal user's mail was sent out. And the users were not informed > by MX that something went wrong. > > Any Ideas on what went wrong? > > Peter Sounds like the process(es) for MX do not have the proper privs granted to them -- check the docs and verify the MX process(es) for proper privs... this should get you fixed back up. -- Rick ---------- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA 501-570-2174 | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 email: stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:32:52 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:30:53 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098DD4A.0A9F2476.25@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Does queue size make sense? MX-folk: Does the following make sense? Intuitively I'd expect the number of entries in both displays to be identical. I'd like to better understand this information. dave. ------------------------------------------------------------ cut here MCP> que stat Total entries: 39/1000 (3%) Highest entry used: 41 (4%) MCP> que sho /all Entry# Status Size Source Agent Entry# Status Size ------ ------ ------- ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- 1 CANCLD 0 SMTP 10 FINISH 590 SMTP <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-lanworks@UBVM.CC.BUFFA 23 FINISH 663 SMTP <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-lanworks@UBVM.CC.BUFFA Total matching entries: 3 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:57:34 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:55:38 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MLF dies Our MX MLF process dies randomly on its own. Usually once every couple of days or so.... Where do I start looking to find out why? Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu Systems Manager College of Biblical and Family Studies Abilene Christian University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:19:29 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:19:03 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DD50.C4F5DC47.33@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MLF dies Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) writes: > >Our MX MLF process dies randomly on its own. Usually once every couple of >days or so.... > >Where do I start looking to find out why? > Well: o MX_MLF_DIR:*.LOG o ACCOUNTING Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:23:57 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:23:23 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DD51.60129A8F.43@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Does queue size make sense? The Wizard writes: > >MX-folk: > >Does the following make sense? Intuitively I'd expect the number of entries in >both displays to be identical. I'd like to better understand this information. > Sounds like you need to QUEUE SYNCH (or do SHO QUE/ALL/BRIEF to see what's there). In any case, the numbers won't be exactly the same: >MCP> que stat >Total entries: 39/1000 (3%) Highest entry used: 41 (4%) > >MCP> que sho /all > >Entry# Status Size Source Agent Entry# Status Size >------ ------ ------- ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- > 1 CANCLD 0 SMTP > 10 FINISH 590 SMTP <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-lanworks@UBVM.CC.BUFFA > 23 FINISH 663 SMTP <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-lanworks@UBVM.CC.BUFFA > >Total matching entries: 3 For each FINISH shown, there are going to be two entries: the SMTP source and the LOCAL source. SHOW QUEUE/ALL/BRIEF will show you all the entries, and that value should match the QUEUE STAT value. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:51:46 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:49:40 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: MLF dies Tom Dolan said: >>Our MX MLF process dies randomly on its own. Usually once every couple of >>days or so.... >>Where do I start looking to find out why? >Hunter said: >Well: > o MX_MLF_DIR:*.LOG The MX_LOG says: 23-MAR-1995 11:27:20.26: MX MLF (pid 00003028) starting23-MAR-1995 17:02:19.61: MX MLF (pid 00003028) exiting, status = 1000000C and, 20-MAR-1995 08:40:52.46: MX MLF (pid 00001692) starting20-MAR-1995 15:09:26.09: MX MLF (pid 00001692) resetting20-MAR-1995 16:43:21.24: MX MLF (pid 00001692) resetting22-MAR-1995 22:52:53.93: MX MLF (pid 00001692) exiting, status = 1000000C So what is status = 1000000C? > o ACCOUNTING I looked under accounting in Mgmt_guide.txt Does it mean accounting for MLF only tracks the file server? I couldn't find any references to other log files that will help with diagnosis. I didn't find any errors in fileserv_log.log (Hunter, Kenny Kon normally takes care of things like this on our machine. However he hasn't had as much time recently - so I'm learning!... Thanks for your patience in helping!!) Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu Systems Manager College of Biblical and Family Studies Abilene Christian University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:02:14 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:01:41 CST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DD78.412164AE.19@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MLF dies Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) writes: > >The MX_LOG says: > >23-MAR-1995 11:27:20.26: MX MLF (pid 00003028) starting23-MAR-1995 >17:02:19.61: MX MLF (pid 00003028) exiting, status = 1000000C > >and, > >20-MAR-1995 08:40:52.46: MX MLF (pid 00001692) starting20-MAR-1995 >15:09:26.09: MX MLF (pid 00001692) resetting20-MAR-1995 16:43:21.24: MX >MLF (pid 00001692) resetting22-MAR-1995 22:52:53.93: MX MLF (pid 00001692) >exiting, status = 1000000C > >So what is status = 1000000C? > That's an access violation. Try turning on MX MLF debugging (define/sys/exec MX_MLF_DEBUG TRUE) and check the debug log files that are created in MX_MLF_DIR:. Next time it does, the log should give some idea of where and why it died. >> o ACCOUNTING > >I looked under accounting in Mgmt_guide.txt Does it mean accounting for MLF >only tracks the file server? I couldn't find any references to other log >files that will help with diagnosis. I didn't find any errors in >fileserv_log.log > No, I'm talking about the VMS ACCOUNTING command. It's a moot point, though, as the .LOG shows the problem.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU (or goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:37:42 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:35:51 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098DD7D.06BB15F8.36@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Does queue size make sense? Hunter wrote ... > The Wizard writes: > > > >MX-folk: > > > >Does the following make sense? Intuitively I'd expect the number of entries in > >both displays to be identical. I'd like to better understand this information. > > > Sounds like you need to QUEUE SYNCH (or do SHO QUE/ALL/BRIEF to see > what's there). Ok, I did a QUEUE SYNCH and let 'er sit a while. now I see the following ... which still looks wrong to me. dave. ---------- MCP> que stat Total entries: 36/1000 (3%) Highest entry used: 165 (16%) MCP> que sho/all/brief Entry# Sts Size Origin Dest Proc ------ --- ------ --------------------------------------------- --------- 1 FIN 0 MX_LOCAL 22 CAN 0 MX_ROUTER 23 FIN 32 MX_ROUTER 24 FIN 32 MX_MLF 25 FIN 672 MX_ROUTER 26 FIN 672 MX_SMTP 27 INP 385 MX_ROUTER 28 RDY 385 MX_LOCAL 29 FIN 586 MX_ROUTER 30 FIN 586 MX_SMTP 31 CAN 0 MX_ROUTER 32 FIN 892 MX_ROUTER 33 FIN 892 MX_LOCAL 34 INP 0 <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-lanworks@UBVM.CC. MX_ROUTER Total matching entries: 14 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:51:30 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:49:52 CDT From: Tom Chamberlain Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098DD7E.FC031D20.1@twctst.ppco.com> Subject: MX and disk quotas Several recent posts to MX-List have mentioned problems of unprivileged users being unable to send mail. The problems generally have to do with disk quota. I recently helped someone track down such a problem and perhaps my findings might benefit others. My configuration is MX 4.1 and VMS 5.5-2... It's the disk quota for the SYSTEM account (or whatever owns the MX files) that's important, not the disk quota for the unprivileged account trying to send mail. I don't usually have disk quotas enabled, but when I enabled them on my MX_DEVICE, MCR DISKQUOTA showed something like the following: DISKQ>use mx_device DISKQ>show * UIC Usage Permanent Quota Overdraft Limit [0,0] 0 1000 100 ...clip... [SYSTEM] 261468 1000 100 DISKQ> Note that SYSTEM is *way* over its quota, but, since it has EXQUOTA privilege, most things are allowed to function. An unprivileged user (one lacking EXQUOTA), however, is not able to send mail using MX under these conditions. The mail _appears_ to go out, but actually it just quietly disappears. Giving the user some disk quota doesn't help, but raising SYSTEM's quota to something above its current usage (261468 blocks in my case ) allows the unprivileged user to send mail. Apparently, the SYSTEM account (or whatever owns the MX files) needs sufficient disk quota on MX_DEVICE to accomodate its current usage plus whatever might be needed for MX logs and temporary message files. One solution might be to give SYSTEM a permanent disk quota equal to the number of blocks on MX_DEVICE. Tom ================================================================================ Tom Chamberlain Phone: (918) 661-9744 Phillips Petroleum Company FAX: (918) 661-1910 269 Geoscience Building email: twc@ppco.com Bartlesville, OK 74004 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 17:10:06 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 17:08:22 EST From: douglasm@sicdal.sicd.etn.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: douglasm@sicdal.sicd.etn.com Message-ID: <0098DD92.55022606.3@sicdal.sicd.etn.com> Subject: Problem with MX and VAX system I am having a problem with MX mailing list processor on my VAX system. The problem occurs in the input of the receiver's address. I have to enter the address with the name of the receiving node attach to the begining of it. (ex. nodename::mx%"user@nodename.companyname.com) I want to be able to enter just the mx portion without the nodename attach to the begining. Is this possible? If so, how? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank-you Marlon Douglas ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 17:10:15 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX LOCAL problems Date: 25 Mar 1995 23:06:35 GMT Message-ID: <3l27lr$7f2@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098DD6F.C3F24FC8.476@uni-lj.si>, rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si writes: => >=1. Why does this huge flood of files suddenly appear after several weeks => >= of normal running (I've checked and they don't build up gradually)? => > => >Could be that you're running out of disk quota on the disk in question, or that => >the disk in question is filling up. In that case, you'll be able to create => >files on the disk, but when you try to allocate space to them, such attempts => >will fail. If space becomes available on the disk, you'll be able to create => >files and allocate space to them until you run out of space again. => => These were my first thoughts too but The disk in question is only about => 1/3 full and the disk quotas are more than sufficient. = = How about free headers then? That gives an entirely different error message: HEADERFULL. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 05:51:37 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Subject: Re: Phantom messages Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 04:52:21 GMT Message-ID: <0098DE7A.CA24B47E@sacto.mp.usbr.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098DCB2.C7F2CBD8.146@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu>, The Wizard writes: >MX Lovers: > >MX has been behaving so nicely for me that I haven't been paying must >attention to the error reports the last few weeks, so I'm not sure if this is >a FAQ by this time .. > >I've noticed that CANCELED messages occasionally won't go away. Even if I >PURGE the queue and confirm that its empty (QUE SHO/ALL) an hour later its >back again. > >I've observed two things about these phantoms > > 1. they are zero length. > 2. there is never more than one. > >Configuration is V4.1 VAX. > >//----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. >|| /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. >|| / \ /|/\ || >|| / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU >|| / \ \ || >|| /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE >|| || || || Bemidji State University >\\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 > Dave, Are you sure it's the same message, and not a new message with the same ID? -HWM ---------- Henry W. Miller Assistant Systems and Network Manager U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Mid Pacific Region 2800 Cottage Way MP1130 Sacramento, CA 95825 (916) 979-2373 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:51:31 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "S.T.Hayes" Subject: Mail to start job To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 15:48:40 BST Message-ID: <9503271548.aa25327@uk.ac.ed.festival> An unusual request perhaps - is there any way the arrival of a mail message can be used to start a job? What we are doing is using mail to transfer data from one machine to another, which we then want processed in some way. The sending machine does not run VMS. Typically, these transfers are done daily, and one way of dealing with them is to run a job at a particular time of day to look for mail messages and process them. Any better ideas? ! Stephen Hayes, Edinburgh University Computing Service. ! S.T.Hayes @ ed.ac.uk, Tel: (+44) 0131-650 4990. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:36:46 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:35:20 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Dolan@Bible.acu.edu (Tom Dolan) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MLF dies My MLF process is dying on its own for some reason. Notice that the MLF process (mx_log.log) is dying about two minutes after it starts checking on access for MAILER-DAEMON@STATE.MA.US (shown in mx_log_log.log). What should I look for to solve this access violation mystery? Here is what MLF log files say with debugging set to TRUE: (mx_mlf_log.log;859) 27-MAR-1995 00:26:17.48 Processing queue entry number 209 27-MAR-1995 00:26:17.94 Checking local name: UGANDANET 27-MAR-1995 00:26:17.94 This is a mailing list. 27-MAR-1995 00:26:20.05 FORWARD_TO_LIST: Message is from:MAILER-DAEMON@stat* 27-MAR-1995 00:26:20.07 CHECK_ACCESS: checking MAILER-DAEMON@STATE.MA.US for * (mx_log.log) 26-MAR-1995 16:30:31.24: MX MLF (pid 00002613) starting 27-MAR-1995 00:26:21.56: MX MLF (pid 00002613) exiting, status = 1000000C Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu Systems Manager College of Biblical and Family Studies Abilene Christian University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:40:45 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:38:55 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: ercc24@festival.ed.ac.uk, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098DFB7.6CAB6200.9538@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Mail to start job > An unusual request perhaps - is there any way the arrival of a mail > message can be used to start a job? Send mail to foo@your.machine Have foo's mail forwarded to foo@special.processing Have a PATH statement for special.processing to the SITE delivery agent. Have the SITE delivery agent submit a job. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:00:57 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: selphj@alpha.obu.edu Subject: upgrading MX Date: 27 Mar 1995 21:53:11 GMT Message-ID: <3l7c47$6e5@news.ualr.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU We were having trouble and decided to reinstall with a new version of MX. The problem is, the hostname is stuck on the wrong thing and no matter which MX logical we change, nothing helps.. it still shows the wrong FROM address. The UCX hostname is wrong, and it doesn't append the domain at all. Anyway.. how do you A> remove MX, B> install the newest version. John Selph, selphj@alpha.obu.edu Computer Services, Network Manager Ouachita Baptist University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 00:30:32 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (SIC)) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Return-Path header in subscription messages Message-ID: <1995Mar27.112732.787@cesi> Date: 27 Mar 95 11:27:32 +0200 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (I've already posted, but nobody has acknowledge, so let's try again!) Hello! I've noticed that the messages sent to a mailing list user when subscribing or unsubscribing have an incorrect Return-Path header: this is an example: >Return-Path: MX%bottasini@CESI.IT > ^^^ >Received: from vax8530.cesi.it (vax8530.cesi.it [192.106.198.5]) by tivoli.com (8.6.10/8.6.9-ESMTP) with SMTP id CAA08313 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 02:20:08 -0600 >Message-Id: <199503170820.CAA08313@tivoli.com> >Received: by cesi.it (MX V4.1 VAX) id 7; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:19:50 +0100 >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:19:50 +0100 >Sender: Postmaster@CESI.IT >Errors-To: Postmaster@CESI.IT >Warnings-To: <> >From: MX mailing list processor >To: brianc@tivoli.com >Subject: Subscription to mailing list flags Have you any idea of the reason? Is it a misconfiguration problem? I have VMS 6.1 (VAX), Multinet 3.3C and MX 4.1A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, SIC tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 21034 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 02:41:34 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:38:50 BST From: rourke_j@actfs.co.uk Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098E078.32544AA0.6@actfs.co.uk> Subject: RE: Mail to start job > An unusual request perhaps - is there any way the arrival of a mail >message can be used to start a job? > Why not use DELIVER ? This is available at ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/deliver.zip ============================================================================= John Rourke ** ***************** ******************** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ********* *** ****************** *** Financial Systems John.Rourke@actfs.co.uk ============================================================================= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 07:01:49 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 06:59:12 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Stacks Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Return-Path header in subscription messages To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098E061.E52B7620.1@adpce.lrk.ar.us> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT "(Alberto Meregalli (SIC))" writes in <1995Mar27.112732.787@cesi>: > >(I've already posted, but nobody has acknowledge, so let's try again!) > >Hello! Hi! > >I've noticed that the messages sent to a mailing list user when >subscribing or unsubscribing have an incorrect Return-Path header: >this is an example: > >>Return-Path: MX%bottasini@CESI.IT >> ^^^ [snip] > >Have you any idea of the reason? Is it a misconfiguration problem? > Please post a listing of all of the currently defined MX logicals on your system. I suspect that one (or more) or them is not defined quite correctly. >I have VMS 6.1 (VAX), Multinet 3.3C and MX 4.1A >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Alberto Meregalli, SIC tel. +39 2 2125 249 >CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 >Via Rubattino, 54 - I 21034 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it -- Rick ---------- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA 501-570-2174 | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 email: stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 07:09:16 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 07:06:42 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Stacks Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: upgrading MX To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098E062.F1B97620.3@adpce.lrk.ar.us> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT selphj@alpha.obu.edu writes in <3l7c47$6e5@news.ualr.edu>: > >We were having trouble and decided to reinstall with a new version of MX. >The problem is, the hostname is stuck on the wrong thing and no matter >which MX logical we change, nothing helps.. it still shows the wrong FROM >address. The UCX hostname is wrong, and it doesn't append the domain >at all. Anyway.. how do you A> remove MX, B> install the newest version. > A) No real need to remove the old version... but before installing the new version: shut down MX cluster-wide & deassign ALL MX logicals B) Get the latest version from Hunter's machine (ftp.wku.edu) and install it. Start up the new version of MX and all should be OK. C) Verify that all of your UCX logicals are define correctly. RTM that comes with MX, if memory serves me there are a couple of logicals that you should check re: UCX. If I've left anything out I'm sure someone will help out and fill in the gap(s). >John Selph, selphj@alpha.obu.edu >Computer Services, Network Manager >Ouachita Baptist University > -- Rick ---------- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA 501-570-2174 | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 email: stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:11:46 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: kabra@vtpwr1.psl.ee.vt.edu (SUNIL KABRA) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MailTool Date: 28 Mar 1995 17:10 -0500 Message-ID: <28MAR199517105127@vtpwr1.psl.ee.vt.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Could anybody help me with ftp sites for good VMS mail tools. The one I use is very old and useless. Thanx, Sunil ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:37:21 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:35:37 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098E149.4B8403BE.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Supressing confirmations MX Lovers: What technique do you use to suppress "receipt confirmmation" messages sent to your lists? //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 02:55:19 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "scots::scots::mrgate::a1::softels00001"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <9503300853.AA11089@us4rmc.pko.dec.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 03:53:11 EST X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: us4rmc::"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Subject: RE: Mail to start job From: NAME: Ian Miller - Softel Systems FUNC: TEL: To: NAME: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU <"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU"@US4RMC@ISVNET@MRGATE@SCOTS@NBS> Try the DELIVER program available as part of PMDF and seperately at various places. This can execute any DCL procedure when mail arrives. (ftp.spc.edu [ANONYMOUS.MACRO32.SAVESETS]DELIVER.ZIP) (also at wku somewhere.) Ian Miller, softel. internet: softels00001@partners.new.mts.dec.com PSImail: 234273400398::IAN ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 02:55:24 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "scots::scots::mrgate::a1::softels00001"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <9503300853.AA11099@us4rmc.pko.dec.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 03:53:25 EST X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: us4rmc::"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu"@isvnet.enet.dec.com Subject: RE: Mail to start job From: NAME: Ian Miller - Softel Systems FUNC: TEL: To: NAME: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU <"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU"@US4RMC@ISVNET@MRGATE@SCOTS@NBS> All too familiar every one ! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:16:20 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Eric Rountree" To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:13:28 AST Subject: Delivery to Users with exceeded quota Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <4FD1F375CC3@SBACOOP.SBA.DAL.CA> When MX is present on a system, does it take over the delivery of mail from one user to another within the same machine? The reason I ask is that I recently turned off the EXQUOTA privilege from the MAIL image (VMS MAIL) so that delivery of mail to users who have reached or exceeded their quota would not be possible. I had enabled this a couple of years ago to allow users to do a COMPRESS even if they had little or no quota left. The down side of this was that they could still recieve mail even if they little or none left. Now, due to disk space shortage, I must disable it again. Even though I have taken EXQUOTA away from MAIL, users over their quota limit can still receive mail. Is MX doing this? I am using MX version 4.1 on a VMS 5.4-1 system. This, of course brings up another question. If MX does allow users over their limit to get mail, how do I disable this, and how do I prevent incoming internet mail from being delivered to users with no quota left? Thanks for reading. Eric +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Eric R. Rountree, System Manager | | School of Business Administration Site | Distributed Sites Unit | Academic Computing Services | Dalhousie University | Halifax, Nova Scotia | | EMail: Eric.Rountree@Dal.CA | WWW: HTTP://WWW.Dal.CA/~Rountree/Eric.HTML +---------------------------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:48:19 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 14:46:02 PDT From: "Brian R. Kuhn" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098E235.71B8CBE0.1@SD68.NANAIMO.BC.CA> Subject: LOCAL processes are dying... Hello, The LOCAL processes (I'm running three) run for a while and then they die. The death is caused by: file not found seen by the main LOCAL process which then seems to cause the death of the #2 and #3 LOCAL guys. I'm not real sure how I might determine which file it's looking for??? Any suggestions? thanks, Brian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian R. Kuhn, Coordinator of Information Systems VOICE: 604 741 5289 School District No. 68 (Nanaimo), FAX: 604 754 6511 British Columbia, Canada DATA/2400b: 604 754 3630 DATA/SLIP/14400b: 604 754 9578 TELNET: bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca (username: GUEST) EMAIL: bkuhn@sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca Compuserve: 75430,3250 Home page: http://www.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca:8001/welcome.html Gopher : gopher.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca | FTP : ftp.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 22:51:06 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Delivery to Users with exceeded quota Date: 31 Mar 1995 01:26:09 GMT Message-ID: <3lflnh$ljm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <4FD1F375CC3@SBACOOP.SBA.DAL.CA>, "Eric Rountree" writes: =When MX is present on a system, does it take over the delivery of mail =from one user to another within the same machine? Only if the users send mail to addresses of the form MX%otheruser. =The reason I ask is that I recently turned off the EXQUOTA privilege =from the MAIL image (VMS MAIL) so that delivery of mail to users who =have reached or exceeded their quota would not be possible. I had =enabled this a couple of years ago to allow users to do a COMPRESS even =if they had little or no quota left. The down side of this was that =they could still recieve mail even if they little or none left. Now, =due to disk space shortage, I must disable it again. = =Even though I have taken EXQUOTA away from MAIL, users over their =quota limit can still receive mail. Is MX doing this? That's not at all surprising. If there's free space in the MAIL.MAI file, and the incoming message is less than three blocks long, then it will be stored entirely in the MAIL.MAI file and the file won't have to be extended to hold the new message. EXQUOTA would only come into play if either: 1) MAIL.MAI had to be extended to hold the message; or 2) The message needs to be stored in an external file. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:50:12 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: Supressing confirmations Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 18:33:49 GMT Message-ID: <3lhhv6$527@mark.ucdavis.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU > >What technique do you use to suppress "receipt confirmmation" messages sent to >your lists? Beat on the subscribers until they quit using return receipt requested (RRR)!! No really, most of the receipts go to the list-owner address, but a few make it back to the regular list. Usually a polite request or two (and I think a few subscribers mention it less politely) solves the problem -- most of these people don't realize what they are doing. Then, there was the person who posted a message with the subject "Don't Read My Mail!" -- he had sent out 3-4 messages to several different lists with RRR, and was being swamped with receipts -- over 600 I believe. That cured him! Mike =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Bowers Internet: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu University of California, Davis ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:54:23 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:49:40 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098E307.7F761120.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Help creating a list-DIGEST MX folk: In my first attempt to create a Digest, I have failed. My digest entries are stuck in the queue ... and the .INPUT file can't be found. For instance: $ MAILQ Entry: 3, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS SITE entry #10, status: READY Recipient #1: , Route=DIGEST Since I'm operating by rote her, all I can do is tell you what I did to this point. Here are the steps I took to create the digest. I'd appreciate your comments: 1. I UNZIPped the DIGEST.ZIP file in its own subdirectory and linked it. 2. I moved the *DIGEST*.EXE to MX_EXE: $ DIR MX_EXE:*DIGEST*.EXE Directory MX_ROOT:[EXE] MX_DIGEST.EXE;1 MX_MAKE_DIGEST.EXE;1 3. I moved *DELIVER*.COM into MX_EXE, renaming MX-DIGEST-SITE_DELIVER to SITE_DELIVER: $ DIR MX_EXE:*DELIVER*.COM Directory MX_ROOT:[EXE] MX_DELIVER_DIGESTS.COM;1 SITE_DELIVER.COM;1 4. I modified the MX configuration Path and Rewrite rules: $ MCP SHO PATH Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local Domain="[199.17.178.1]", Path=Local Domain="DIGEST.SITE", Path=Site, Route="DIGEST" Domain="BEAVER", Path=Local Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP $ MCP SHO REWRITE Address-rewriting rules: Rewrite "<{u}@DIGEST.SITE>" => "<{u}@DIGEST.SITE>" 5. I created a digest list: $ MCP SHO LIST CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST Mailing lists: Name: CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST Owner: "system@BEAVER.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU" "GHMO@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU" Reply-to: List, NOSender Description: Chemistry Lab experiments and classroom demonstrations Errors-to: GHMO@vax1.Bemidji.MSUS.edu Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther Private list: No Case sensitive: No Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD:RWE) 6. I created a SITE_DIR subdirectory and a MX_SITE_DIR logical to point to it: $ SHO LOG MX_SITE_DIR "MX_SITE_DIR" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[MX.SITE_DIR]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) 7. And created a .INFO file in that subdirectory: $ TYPE MX_SITE_DIR:CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST.INFO CHEMLAB-L BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu Dr Gerald Morine -- CHEMLAB-L List Owner CHEMLAB-L@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu Volume 1 : Issue 0 Fri, 31 May 1995 00:00:00 8. Finally added a subscriber to CHEMLAB-L like this: $ MCP REV CHEMLAB-L .... CHEMLAB-L@DIGEST.SITE (NOCASE) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:08:26 CST Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:06:18 CST From: The Wizard Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098E309.D279FB00.21@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Supressing confirmations I asked: > >What technique do you use to suppress "receipt confirmmation" messages sent to > >your lists? > > From: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu > > Beat on the subscribers until they quit using return receipt > requested (RRR)!! Hehehe. But then some subscribers aren't smart enough to know how to turn it off! > No really, most of the receipts go to the list-owner address, but > a few make it back to the regular list. Usually a polite request or two > (and I think a few subscribers mention it less politely) solves the problem -- > most of these people don't realize what they are doing. I've heard that DELIVER is another solution. It seems the SUBJECT field is regular enough to filter based on that. Trouble is, I haven't played with DELIVER much and would appreciate an example. Would some kind soul supply one? //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601