Archive-Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 08:24:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 00:04:43 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FADF.A032B7C0.603@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Posting statistics for list MX-LIST during April 1995 Total number of posts: 103 Total number of posters: 52 Total number of subscribers: 255 Total number of digest subscribers: 54 Last modified: 7-JUL-1994 10:04 (Updated version info) Welcome to MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. MX-List postings are also available in a daily digest format. 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If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, VAX Systems Programmer goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Western Kentucky University Academic Computing, STH 226 (502) 745-5251 Bowling Green, KY 42101 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 14:56:41 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 14:51:25 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098FB5B.7F52C696.151@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: POP 2.2 and MX 4.0 problems? MXers: When using POP 2.2 (Mac) to connect with my VAX running POP-3 and MX 4.0, I get the following nastygrams. I don't understand how to chase this problem down. Anybody have suggestions? //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 From: MX%"Postmaster@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu" 1-MAY-1995 14:44:54.01 To: MX%"Postmaster@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu" CC: Subj: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: trichard@otter Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed -(Via otter) -Transcript: -Rcvd: 220 OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:43 CDT -Sent: HELO BSUWEB.Bemidji.MSUS.edu -Rcvd: 250 Hello, BSUWEB.Bemidji.MSUS.edu -Sent: MAIL FROM: -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. -Sent: RCPT TO: -Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) -Sent: DATA -Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. -Sent: QUIT -Rcvd: 221 OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu Service closing transmission channel Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:37 CDT Received: from OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:28 CDT Received: from BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:18 CDT Received: from TICK.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:11 CDT Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 14:43:50 CDT From: SMTP delivery agent To: Subject: SMTP delivery error X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: trichard@otter Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed -(Via otter) -Transcript: -Rcvd: 220 OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Mon, 01 May 1995 14:43:28 CDT -Sent: HELO BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu -Rcvd: 250 Hello, BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu -Sent: MAIL FROM: -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. -Sent: RCPT TO: -Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) -Sent: DATA -Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. -Sent: QUIT -Rcvd: 221 OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu Service closing transmission channel Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:43:02 CDT Received: from LOON.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:42:32 CDT Received: from TICK.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:42:13 CDT Received: from 199.17.178.59 by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:41:39 CDT From: "Tom Richard" To: trichard@otter Subject: No Subject tom tom Tom Richard Bemidji State University Dept. of Math and Computer Science 218-755-2832 trichard@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: <> Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:47 CDT From: SMTP delivery agent To: Subject: SMTP delivery error X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 22:12:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 23:10:35 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: system@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098FBA1.3AE348E0.14466@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: POP 2.2 and MX 4.0 problems? > When using POP 2.2 (Mac) to connect with my VAX running POP-3 and MX 4.0, I > get the following nastygrams. I don't understand how to chase this problem > down. Anybody have suggestions? > Error-For: trichard@otter > Received: from OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 > VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:37 CDT otter is not a valid Internet address. You really should be using the fully qualified domain name, otter.bemidgi.msus.edu. This is the only way that other people, not at MSUS can reply to your EMail. I suspect that this is something you have to configure in POP 2.2 on the Mac. Whether or not you follow my suggestion -- and I really hope that you do -- the immediate problem is that otter.bemidgi.msus.edu does not recognize otter as a LOCAL address. This is something you have to change in the MX configuration -- read the manual to see how to make the change, make it permanent, and reset the running MX processes. As an example, here is the relevant part of my configuration: DEFINE PATH "garnet.nist.gov" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "garnet" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "[129.6.177.38]" LOCAL - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 08:29:39 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 08:27:36 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FBEF.0B5A0868.73@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: POP 2.2 and MX 4.0 problems? > > When using POP 2.2 (Mac) to connect with my VAX running POP-3 and MX 4.0, I > > get the following nastygrams. I don't understand how to chase this problem > > down. Anybody have suggestions? > > > Error-For: trichard@otter > > Received: from OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 > > VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 1995 14:44:37 CDT > > otter is not a valid Internet address. You really should be using the > fully qualified domain name, otter.bemidgi.msus.edu. This is the only way > that other people, not at MSUS can reply to your EMail. I suspect that > this is something you have to configure in POP 2.2 on the Mac. OTTER was alaised to OTTER.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU in the UCX data base, so I thought that would solve the problem. And I'll look at POP's data base on the Mac, too. Oh, I should mention that OTTER is one of several satellites in a LAVc cluster. But the root problem is that the Mac user was merely doing a "REPLY", in other words, user@OTTER was the return address. Is that a POP problem too, or did MX provide the return address? > Whether or not you follow my suggestion -- and I really hope that you do -- > the immediate problem is that otter.bemidgi.msus.edu does not recognize > otter as a LOCAL address. This is something you have to change in the MX > configuration -- read the manual to see how to make the change, make it > permanent, and reset the running MX processes. I have the following paths defined. Is this what you have in mind? $ MCP SHO PATH Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local Domain="[199.17.178.1]", Path=Local Domain="DIGEST.SITE", Path=Site, Route="DIGEST" Domain="BEAVER", Path=Local Domain="BSUWEB", Path=Local Domain="OTTER", Path=Local Domain="MINK", Path=Local Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP I think the next step for me is to check the POP (Mac) database and re-test. Thanks for the suggestions. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 09:02:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 10:58:56 AST From: Greg Bishop Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FC04.2F4F13C0.21@ac.nsac.ns.ca> Subject: router process dying after 2 seconds We've had MX V4.1 AXP running on our Alphaserver 2500 under VMS 6.1 for a month or two without any problems. However, the other day we did a name change on the system, ie. it went from being Gus.nsac.ns.ca to Pam.nsac.ns.ca . We changed the DECnet name, reconfigured MX and it ran for awhile before we started having problems. Since that, I've reinstalled the whole package, but to no avail. The MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG file says: 2-MAY-1995 10:34:41.95: MX Router (pid 00000838) starting 2-MAY-1995 10:34:44.08: MX Router (pid 00000838) exiting, status = 1000000C Can anyone suggest a solution? Thanks in advance. Greg Greg Bishop Internet: GBISHOP@AC.NSAC.NS.CA System Manager Voice: (902) 893-6693 Nova Scotia Agricultural College Fax: (902) 895-4547 Truro, Nova Scotia CANADA http://www.nsac.ns.ca/ B2N 5E3 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 10:19:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: What is this file? How to delete it? Date: 2 May 1995 14:08:44 GMT Message-ID: <3o5edc$gn1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU After upgrading to MX4.1 a month ago, I am deleting the OLD queue structure. Or so I thought. I've got a zombie file which can be seen, but not deleted. DIR/FULL shows only Directory R1GLCB$DIA2:[000000.MX.QUEUE.OLD.0] 20890.HDR_INFO;1 no such file Who is this guy? How do I delete it? Its presence prevents the deletion of the QUEUE.OLD. I've very happy with MX 4.1. Harry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:08:26 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:53:19 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FC0B.C8957EA0.11@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: What is this file? How to delete it? Either $ delete R1GLCB$DIA2:[000000.MX.QUEUE.OLD.0]20890.HDR_INFO;1 or $ set file/noentry R1GLCB$DIA2:[000000.MX.QUEUE.OLD.0]20890.HDR_INFO;1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:08:38 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:08:17 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: GB_SHOP@AC.NSAC.NS.CA Message-ID: <0098FC05.7DEDD817.27@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: router process dying after 2 seconds Greg Bishop writes: > >The MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG file says: > > 2-MAY-1995 10:34:41.95: MX Router (pid 00000838) starting > 2-MAY-1995 10:34:44.08: MX Router (pid 00000838) exiting, status = 1000000C > That's an access violation. Have you enabled MX Router debugging to see where it's dying? Use: $ define/sys/exec mx_router_debug true and then watch the MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG files in MX_ROUTER_DIR: (the file above is actually MX_ROUTER_node.LOG). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 12:08:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 14:04:52 AST From: Greg Bishop Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FC1E.28CC0F20.81@ac.nsac.ns.ca> Subject: RE: router process dying after 2 seconds On Tue, 02 May 1995 11:08:17 CDT Hunter Goatley wrote: >Greg Bishop writes: >> >>The MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG file says: >> >> 2-MAY-1995 10:34:41.95: MX Router (pid 00000838) starting >> 2-MAY-1995 10:34:44.08: MX Router (pid 00000838) exiting, status = 1000000C >> >That's an access violation. Have you enabled MX Router debugging to >see where it's dying? Use: > > $ define/sys/exec mx_router_debug true > >and then watch the MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG files in MX_ROUTER_DIR: (the file >above is actually MX_ROUTER_node.LOG). > Yes I did but I didn't see any clues in it. I'll attach a copy. 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.07 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 27 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.45 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.45 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on pam.NSAC.NS.CA err=00000000 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %FINDPATH, domain name PAM.NSAC.NS.CA matched path pattern PAM.NSAC.NS.CA 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop pam.NSAC.NS.CA, path 1 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %FINDALIAS, Site-spec convert on dlangille returned 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on pam.nsac.ns.ca err=00000000 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %FINDPATH, domain name PAM.NSAC.NS.CA matched path pattern PAM.NSAC.NS.CA 2-MAY-1995 10:34:43.52 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop pam.nsac.ns.ca, path 1 Greg Greg Bishop Internet: GBISHOP@AC.NSAC.NS.CA System Manager Voice: (902) 893-6693 Nova Scotia Agricultural College Fax: (902) 895-4547 Truro, Nova Scotia CANADA http://www.nsac.ns.ca/ B2N 5E3 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 14:37:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 13:34:37 MDT From: "Michael L. Hitch" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FC19.EF2B6440.417@msu.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: RE: router process dying after 2 seconds Hunter Goatley writes: > > Greg Bishop writes: > > > >The MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG file says: > > > > 2-MAY-1995 10:34:41.95: MX Router (pid 00000838) starting > > 2-MAY-1995 10:34:44.08: MX Router (pid 00000838) exiting, status = 1000000C > > > That's an access violation. Have you enabled MX Router debugging to > see where it's dying? Use: > > $ define/sys/exec mx_router_debug true > > and then watch the MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG files in MX_ROUTER_DIR: (the file > above is actually MX_ROUTER_node.LOG). And if that fails to show any more information, you can try running the MX Router process interactively under the debugger. The debugger should catch the fault at the time it happens and you can find out exactly where the fault is occuring. I did that when I was trying to find out why the SMTP Server process was failing. Michael --- Michael L. Hitch osymh@msu.oscs.montana.edu Computer Consultant, Office of Systems and Computing Services Montana State University, Bozeman, MT USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 18:44:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 18:42:38 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <0098FC44.F6A5A818.4@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: MX and satellite nodes MXers. There is something I don't understand about MX. I'd appreciate an explanation and (if possible) a fix. As long as the message is destined for the server of my cluster, everything is ok. But if I direct a message to one of the satellites, MX falls over. (see message below). My paths look like this (BEAVER is the server). $ MCP SHO PATH Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local Domain="[199.17.178.1]", Path=Local Domain="DIGEST.SITE", Path=Site, Route="DIGEST" Domain="BEAVER", Path=Local Domain="BSUWEB", Path=Local Domain="OTTER", Path=Local Domain="MINK", Path=Local Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP > From: MX%"Postmaster@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu" 2-MAY-1995 11:20:12.27 > Subj: SMTP delivery error > Note: this message was generated automatically. > > An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of > the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that > allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect > addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. > > --> Error description: > > Error-For: system@OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu > Error-Code: 2 > Error-Text: %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed > -(Via OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu) > -Transcript: > -Rcvd: 220 OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Tue, 02 May 1995 11:19:58 CDT > -Sent: HELO BSUWEB.Bemidji.MSUS.edu > -Rcvd: 250 Hello, BSUWEB.Bemidji.MSUS.edu > -Sent: MAIL FROM: > -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. > -Sent: RCPT TO: > -Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) > -Sent: DATA > -Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . > -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. > -Sent: QUIT > -Rcvd: 221 OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu Service closing transmission channel > > Error-End: 1 error detected > > ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ > Received: from TICK.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 02 May 1995 11:19:51 CDT > Received: from MINK.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 02 May 1995 11:19:41 CDT > Received: from TICK.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 02 May 1995 11:19:29 CDT > Received: from BSUWEB.Bemidji.MSUS.edu by OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 02 May 1995 11:19:18 CDT > Received: by BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 33; Tue, 02 May 1995 11:19:10 CDT > Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:19:08 CDT > From: Dave Miller > To: system@OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu > Message-ID: <0098FC07.019BFB84.33@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> > Subject: mx%"system@otter" > > test 1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Return-Path: <> > Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:20:02 CDT > From: SMTP delivery agent > To: > Subject: SMTP delivery error > X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 20:23:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 21:21:30 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098FC5B.284EDC20.14600@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: POP 2.2 and MX 4.0 problems? > OTTER was alaised to OTTER.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU in the UCX data base, so I > thought that would solve the problem. And I'll look at POP's data base on > the Mac, too. I am not familiar with POP on the Mac. However, if it does what I think it does, there will be a configuration dialog (not a "database") where the user sets his/her return address. Make sure that those addresses on all the Macs are fully qualified domain names. It is possible that the bad address came from the Mac that originated the message, not the one that tried to reply to it. I have not followed the many discussions on this mailing list about the strange ways that MX interacts with UCX. However, in no case should a message originating on the VAX show a return address of simply "otter." Please check the Release Notes for the details of how to run MX and UCX together. > I have the following paths defined. Is this what you have in mind? > > $ MCP SHO PATH > > Domain-to-path mappings: > Domain="BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local > Domain="[199.17.178.1]", Path=Local > Domain="DIGEST.SITE", Path=Site, Route="DIGEST" > Domain="BEAVER", Path=Local > Domain="BSUWEB", Path=Local > Domain="OTTER", Path=Local > Domain="MINK", Path=Local > Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" > Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" > Domain="*", Path=SMTP Why are not BSUWEB.Bemidji.MSUS.edu, OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu, and MINK.Bemidji.MSUS.edu also defined as LOCAL? - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 13:15:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 15:11:58 AST From: Greg Bishop Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FCF0.B32F6CC0.88@ac.nsac.ns.ca> Subject: RE: router process dying after 2 seconds On Tue, 02 May 1995 13:34:37 MDT "Michael L. Hitch" wrote: > And if that fails to show any more information, you can try running the >MX Router process interactively under the debugger. The debugger should >catch the fault at the time it happens and you can find out exactly where >the fault is occuring. I did that when I was trying to find out why the >SMTP Server process was failing. > Great idea. We tried that and got the following $ run mx_router 3-MAY-1995 13:19:40:01; Janice Edey 1 (pid 000003C2) starting %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PB %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows Image Name Module Name Routine Name Line Rel PC Abs PC 0 80554578 80554578 MX_ROUTER REWRITE FINDALIAS 656 00001A3C 0003977C MX_ROUTER PROCESS PROCESS 502 00001B10 00035590 MX_ROUTER MX_ROUTER MX_ROUTER 44 0000199C 0003199C 0 86157A50 86157A50 3-MAY-1995 13:19:40:63; Janice Edey 1 (pid 000003c2) exiting, status = 100000C which directed our energies away from changing file protections in the MX directories to the NAME_CONVERSION.C program. We had had 20 entries in NAME_COUNT before the switchover and didn't expect any problem in adding 40 more. What we've discovered is that the program seems very sensitive to the number of entries in the structure. BTW we're not C programmers, but have been very careful in adding this information to the program. Anyway, if we startup MX with 63 entries, the Router process dies in about 2 seconds with an access violation. If we go back to the older version with 20 entries, it doesn't seem to have any problems (ie. the router process stays around until we shut it down with SHUTDOWN). Has anybody else had a problem with adding 60 or 70 entries to NAME_CONVERSION.C ? Greg Greg Bishop Internet: GBISHOP@AC.NSAC.NS.CA System Manager Voice: (902) 893-6693 Nova Scotia Agricultural College Fax: (902) 895-4547 Truro, Nova Scotia CANADA http://www.nsac.ns.ca/ B2N 5E3 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 17:30:18 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: MX and satellite nodes Message-ID: <3o6j9v$qkf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Date: 3 May 1995 00:38:23 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0098FC44.F6A5A818.4@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu>, Dave Miller writes: =MXers. = =There is something I don't understand about MX. I'd appreciate an explanation =and (if possible) a fix. It's really quite obvious. =As long as the message is destined for the server of my cluster, everything is =ok. But if I direct a message to one of the satellites, MX falls over. (see =message below). = =My paths look like this (BEAVER is the server). = = $ MCP SHO PATH = = Domain-to-path mappings: = Domain="BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local = Domain="[199.17.178.1]", Path=Local = Domain="DIGEST.SITE", Path=Site, Route="DIGEST" = Domain="BEAVER", Path=Local = Domain="BSUWEB", Path=Local = Domain="OTTER", Path=Local = Domain="MINK", Path=Local = Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" = Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" = Domain="*", Path=SMTP So those are the paths on all your systems, right? Hmmm, y'know what? While OTTER is a local path, OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu isn't. In fact, it's an SMTP path. Now, examining your problem, we find that the mail was addressed to: system@OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu. So what's happening is that the message is being queued for SMTP delivery to OTTER.Demidji.MSUS.edu. When one of your systems gets around to processing the message, it establishes an SMTP connection to OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu. OTTER accepts the message for delivery. The ROUTER process looks, finds that OTTER.Demidji.MSUS.edu is an SMTP path, so it queues the message for delivery via SMTP. The process repeats until OTTER realizes that it's seen the message too many times, at which point it bounces it. To fix your problem, add more local path definitions, two for each of your systems: One with the FQDN, and one with the IP address. I.e., you want your path definitions to be: Domain="BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local Domain="[199.17.178.1]", Path=Local Domain="BSUWEB.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local Domain="[199.17.178.22]", Path=Local Domain="OTTER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local Domain="[199.17.178.3]", Path=Local Domain="MINK.Bemidji.MSUS.edu", Path=Local Domain="[199.17.178.21]", Path=Local Domain="DIGEST.SITE", Path=Site, Route="DIGEST" Domain="BEAVER", Path=Local Domain="BSUWEB", Path=Local Domain="OTTER", Path=Local Domain="MINK", Path=Local Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 07:35:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 14:32:12 +0200 From: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@criuc.unicaen.fr CC: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Message-ID: <0098FDB4.4F89EF00.152@caen1.unicaen.fr> Subject: SMTP Server dying with "DUPLNAM" I had this morning a very strange problem of MX SMTP Server process systematically dying with status 10000094. The process was not existing as it is frequent after an MCP shutdown and a @mx_startup wich results in a "process creation failed error" preceding the "duplicate name" error. In the case I encountered this morning, the process was created and dying immediately. I tried starting manually the process (see the procedure below) with various different names as it appears in the log file below. The result was always the same !!! I tried also a QUEUE SYNCH without any result, and a QUEUE COMPRESS rejected for "file locked", when there was no MX process running. The only solution I encountered was to reboot my system. Is it a known problem, and is there a more soft solution than a reboot ? Thank you for any help. P.S. My current versions are VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.1 and MX 4.1 --------------------------------------------------------------- 4-MAY-1995 10:01:36.13: MX SMTP Server (pid 2020166D) starting 4-MAY-1995 10:01:37.23: MX SMTP Server (pid 2020166D) exiting, status = 10000094 4-MAY-1995 10:42:45.81: MX SMTP Server (pid 202016AE) starting 4-MAY-1995 10:42:46.79: MX SMTP Server (pid 202016AE) exiting, status = 10000094 4-MAY-1995 10:47:01.86: MX_SMTP_Server (pid 202014B0) starting 4-MAY-1995 10:47:02.96: MX_SMTP_Server (pid 202014B0) exiting, status = 10000094 4-MAY-1995 10:50:47.62: smtp$test (pid 202016B3) starting 4-MAY-1995 10:50:48.22: smtp$test (pid 202016B3) exiting, status = 10000094 --------------------------------------------------------------- $! File Name: Start_smtp_server.com $! Purpose: To get just the smtp server process going. Lines taken from $! SYS$SYSDEVICE:[MX.EXE]MX_START.COM files. $! $ RUN /AST_LIMIT=100 /BUFFER=20000 /ENQUE=300 /MAXIMUM=1024 - /FILE_LIM=40 /IO_BUF=50 /IO_DIR=50 /JOB_TABLE=0 /EXTENT=3000 - /PAGE_FILE=15000 /QUEUE=50 /TIME_LIMIT=0 /DETACH /PRIV=ALL /PRIO=4 - /UIC=[1,4] - /INPUT=NL: /OUTPUT=MX_SMTP_DIR:SMTP_server.LOG - /ERROR=MX_SMTP_DIR:SMTP_server.LOG- /PROC="smtp$test" MX_EXE:SMTP_server $ exit --------------------------------------------------------------- *********************************************************************** Jacques LEYRAT ! Tel: (33-)31-45-55-08 Centre de Ressources Informatiques (C.R.I.U.C) ! Universite de Caen ! Fax: (33-)31-44-58-54 14032 Caen Cedex ! FRANCE !e-mail: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr *********************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 09:46:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 10:11:05 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wku.edu Message-ID: <0098FD8F.D4F20080.7@swdev.si.com> Subject: MLFAKE didn't cancel a subscription Someone who used to work at my company had subscribed to a mailing list. Now, of course, the mail being sent to him bounces because his account is gone. I attempted to use MLFAKE to sign him off the list, like this: $ mlf/from="baduser@swdev.si.com" listname-l list.location/listserv About to send message: SIGNOFF LISTNAME-L HURON Sending to: LISTSERV@LIST.LOCATION From: baduser@swdev.si.com Okay? y Message sent. I checked the queue and found the following entry: $ mcp queu show/all Entry# Status Size Source Agent Entry# Status Size ------ ------ ------- ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- 16 INPROG 16 LOCAL baduser@swdev.si.com SMTP 17 INPROG 16 but, if I use /FULL, I see this: $ mcp queu show/all/full 16 Entry: 16, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 16 bytes Created: 4-MAY-1995 09:07:43.66, expires 3-JUN-1995 09:07:43.66 Last modified 4-MAY-1995 09:07:53.74 SMTP entry #17, status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 16 bytes Created: 4-MAY-1995 09:07:52.14, expires 3-JUN-1995 09:07:43.66 Last modified 4-MAY-1995 09:07:53.36 Recipient #1: , Route=LIST.LOCATION This seems to indicate that 16.SRC_INFO is used for /FULL and 16.HDR_INFO is used without /FULL. Is this correct? Also, I just received a message from the listserver indicating I (tillman@swdev.si.com) can't signoff because I'm not subscribed. I thought MLFAKE was supposed to look like it came from the other person. How would the listserver see my address in the message? -- Brian Tillman tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 09:53:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 09:52:46 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FD8D.45FD2B45.6@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: SMTP Server dying with "DUPLNAM" Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr writes: > >I had this morning a very strange problem of MX SMTP Server process >systematically dying with status 10000094. >The process was not existing as it is frequent after an MCP shutdown and a >@mx_startup wich results in a "process creation failed error" preceding the >"duplicate name" error. If memory serves, this is because it can take some time for UCX sockets to close. When the SMTP Server tries to run, port 25 is actually still open, and the error message is "Duplicate name." Waiting a short period of time should solve this, assuming I've actually remembered what's going on.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 10:45:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 11:32:09 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FD9B.27F8E180.27@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: MLFAKE didn't cancel a subscription In a previous message, I wrote: >$ mlf/from="baduser@swdev.si.com" listname-l list.location/listserv >About to send message: SIGNOFF LISTNAME-L >HURON > Sending to: LISTSERV@LIST.LOCATION > From: baduser@swdev.si.com Ignore the word "HURON". That's my node name, which I display in the upper corner of my DECterm (it's part of the prompt). I used cut-and-past to put this text in the message and I inadvertently got the nodename too. -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 10:49:55 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:42:27 +0200 From: "GWDGV1::MOELLER" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr CC: MOELLER@gwdg.de Subject: RE: SMTP Server dying with "DUPLNAM" Jacques LEYRAT writes: >[...] > I had this morning a very strange problem of MX SMTP Server process > systematically dying with status 10000094. >[...] > The only solution I encountered was to reboot my system. >[...] With UCX, SS$_DUPLNAM translates into the un*x error "port already in use". For some reason, UCX would not let SMTP_SERVER "bind" to the local SMTP port. Provided there's no other (SMTP) server running, this is often a transient condition after killing a TCP/IP server type program, but sometimes it just doesn't go away - I've once seen the same problem with UCX$FTPD. Shutting down and restarting UCX will help for sure ... Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 2011516 or -510, moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany PSI%(0262)45050859008::MOELLER Disclaimer: No claim intended! | moeller@decus.decus.de w.moeller@ieee.org ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 11:21:31 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 11:21:03 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FD99.9B6CC7EB.9@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MLFAKE didn't cancel a subscription "Brian Tillman" writes: > >Someone who used to work at my company had subscribed to a mailing list. Now, >of course, the mail being sent to him bounces because his account is gone. I >attempted to use MLFAKE to sign him off the list, like this: [...] >$ mcp queu show/all > >Entry# Status Size Source Agent Entry# Status Size >------ ------ ------- ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- > 16 INPROG 16 LOCAL baduser@swdev.si.com > SMTP 17 INPROG 16 > >but, if I use /FULL, I see this: > >$ mcp queu show/all/full 16 > >Entry: 16, Origin: [Local] [...] >This seems to indicate that 16.SRC_INFO is used for /FULL and 16.HDR_INFO is >used without /FULL. Is this correct? > The info in .HDR_INFO is stored in the queue file, but /FULL goes to the actual files themselves. So, yes, you are more or less correct. >Also, I just received a message from the listserver indicating I >(tillman@swdev.si.com) can't signoff because I'm not subscribed. I thought >MLFAKE was supposed to look like it came from the other person. How would the >listserver see my address in the message? The From: address would have been "baduser"---sounds like the mailer on the other system (or LISTSERV) used the MAIL FROM: address (or Return-Path:) instead. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 12:45:31 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 13:38:42 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: tillman_brian@swdev.si.com Message-ID: <0098FDAC.D6332CE0.1@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: MLFAKE didn't cancel a subscription Hunter Goatley writes: >The From: address would have been "baduser"---sounds like the mailer >on the other system (or LISTSERV) used the MAIL FROM: address (or >Return-Path:) instead. I sent another message to the list server. Since our Internet mail goes through a Unix system, I had the Unix administrator dump the message. Here's the relevant contents: From TILLMAN@swdev.si.com ...other stuff... Received: ...other stuff... ... From: baduser@swdev.si.com ... The first line, which seems to have been added by the Unix system, looks almost like a From header, but does not contain the colon. It is this line that I believe the list server is interpreting a the From header. It is correct for the Unix system (smail) to add that line? Even if it's not, shouldn't the list server ignore it, since it's a valid From only if the keyword is followed by the trailing colon? -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 14:46:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 14:46:39 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FDB6.53F1C3B8.3@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MLFAKE didn't cancel a subscription "Brian Tillman" writes: > >I sent another message to the list server. Since our Internet mail goes through >a Unix system, I had the Unix administrator dump the message. Here's the >relevant contents: > >From TILLMAN@swdev.si.com ...other stuff... >Received: ...other stuff... >... >From: baduser@swdev.si.com >... > >The first line, which seems to have been added by the Unix system, looks almost >like a From header, but does not contain the colon. It is this line that I >believe the list server is interpreting a the From header. > Could be, although it's not supposed to. >It is correct for the Unix system (smail) to add that line? Even if it's not, >shouldn't the list server ignore it, since it's a valid From only if the keyword >is followed by the trailing colon? It's not a valid RFC822 line, but it is commonly added by UUCP, as well. Anyone else know more of the details about it? Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 08:51:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Kostya Rudenko Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX 4.1 sent problem Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 17:22:32 +0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, All! We made a attempt to install MX4.1 on our old mVAX II running VMS 5.5-2 with CMU/IP 6.6-5A. The installation was without serios troubles. After this a funny thing happening. Exern an local mail can reach us, but we cannot sent any mail out. Our VAX collect this mail in queue, where the mail can store unlimited time without return. $ mcp sho que Entry# Status Size Source Agent Entry# Status Size ------ ------ ------- ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- 5 INPROG 27 MAIL SMTP 8 READY 27 3 INPROG 41 MAIL SMTP 4 READY 41 9 INPROG 14 MAIL SMTP 10 READY 14 1 INPROG 37 MAIL SMTP 2 READY 37 13 INPROG 16 MAIL SMTP 14 READY 16 We have local net with mail router : mx.sai.msu.su Here is our MX config.mcp : ! MX_DEVICE:[MX]CONFIG.MCP;8 ! Created: 4-MAY-1995 19:06:46.60 by MXCONFIG ! DEFINE PATH "mosca.sai.msu.su" SMTP/route="mx.sai.msu.su" !DEFINE PATH "mosca" LOCAL DEFINE PATH *.UUCP SMTP/ROUTE="uunet.uu.net" DEFINE PATH *.BITNET SMTP/ROUTE="cunyvm.cuny.edu" ! NOTE: The next path definition should always be LAST. DEFINE PATH * SMTP ! ! Done with routing information. ! DEFINE ALIAS "Postmaster" "system@mosca" DEFINE ALIAS "POSTMAST" "system@mosca" ! for BITNET compatibility Here is our internet.config of CMU-IP ; Device_Init:ETHER:XQA0:00-00-00-00-00-00:158.250.29.219:255.255.255.224 Memgr_Init:30:20:20:30 Gateway:SEG1_GATEWAY.SAI.MSU.SU:158.250.29.193:0.0.0.0:0.0.0.0: MBX_resolver:INET$NAMRES:5:NETWRK:EXQUOTA,TMPMBX,NETMBX,SYSPRV,WORLD:BYTLM=10000,PGFLQUOTA=80000,WSQUOTA=2048,WSDEFAULT=1024,WSEXTENT=3000,TQELM=100: Logging:0 Activity:1 Variable:IP_Forwarding:0 Variable:FQ_MAX:5 Variable:SYN_WAIT_COUNT:10 Variable:TELNET_SERVICE:1 Variable:KEEP_ALIVE:0 Variable:RPC_SERVICE:1 Variable:SNMP_SERVICE:1 WKS:21:FTPSRV:TCP$FTPSRV:NETWRK:*:::::4:5 ;;WKS:23:TELSRV:TCP$TELSRV:NETWRK,NOACNT:NETMBX,TMPMBX,PHY_IO:::::5:5 ;WKS:25:SMTPSV:TCP$SMTPSV:NETWRK:NETMBX,TMPMBX,PHY_IO:::::4:5 WKS:79:FNGSRV:TCP$FNGSRV:NETWRK:NETMBX,TMPMBX,PHY_IO,CMKRNL,WORLD,SYSPRV:::::4:5 WKS:515:LPD:TCP$LPD:NETWRK:NETMBX,TMPMBX,PHY_IO,CMKRNL,WORLD:::::4:5 Variable:Access_Flags:3 LOCAL_HOST:127.0.0.1:255.0.0.0: Help as !!! please... kroky@sai.msu.su ara@sai.msu.su ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 12:49:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 18:47:26 BST From: "John Hill, Cavendish Lab, Cambridge Univ. (01223-337243)" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FEA1.21A6AF9F.10@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Subject: RE: MX 4.1 sent problem >We made a attempt to install MX4.1 on our old mVAX II running VMS 5.5-2 >with CMU/IP 6.6-5A. The installation was without serios troubles. After >this a funny thing happening. Exern an local mail can reach us, but we >cannot sent any mail out. Our VAX collect this mail in queue, where the >mail can store unlimited time without return. > > [Some stuff deleted here] > > We have local net with mail router : mx.sai.msu.su > >Here is our MX config.mcp : > >! MX_DEVICE:[MX]CONFIG.MCP;8 >! Created: 4-MAY-1995 19:06:46.60 by MXCONFIG >! >DEFINE PATH "mosca.sai.msu.su" SMTP/route="mx.sai.msu.su" >!DEFINE PATH "mosca" LOCAL >DEFINE PATH *.UUCP SMTP/ROUTE="uunet.uu.net" >DEFINE PATH *.BITNET SMTP/ROUTE="cunyvm.cuny.edu" >! NOTE: The next path definition should always be LAST. >DEFINE PATH * SMTP > [Some more stuff deleted] Basically the problem is that the outgoing mail doesn't know where to go! If I've understand correctly, all your outgoing SMTP mail should go via mx.sai.msu.su. Hence the last DEFINE should read DEFINE PATH * SMTP/ROUTE="mx.sai.msu.su" You may also need some extra DEFINEs earlier in the list - without knowing the precise topology I can't be more specific. Hope this helps, John Hill +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + John Hill University of Cambridge, + + E-mail: hill@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Cavendish Laboratory, + + Phone: +44-1223-337243 Madingley Road, + + Fax: +44-1223-353920 Cambridge, CB3 0HE, U.K. + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 12:53:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX Local exit status 1024806C ? Date: 5 May 1995 17:32:34 GMT Message-ID: <3odnfi$fcj@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello, Periodically one (not necessarily the same one) of our MX processes exits. Frequency is every few weeks. Latest is MX LOCAL with exit status 1024806c. What does this message mean? Is there a list of these error codes available publically? I couldn't find any in the docs. This problem is on a far-away back burner, but I'd like to keep poking at it. Upgraded to MX 4.1 about 50 days ago. VMS 5.4.3. The error might give a hint of whats going on. Thanks, Harry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 14:29:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 14:28:44 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0098FE7C.FD5D9DAC.24@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX Local exit status 1024806C ? hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) writes: > > Periodically one (not necessarily the same one) of our MX >processes exits. Frequency is every few weeks. Latest is MX LOCAL >with exit status 1024806c. What does this message mean? Is there a $ write sys$output f$message(%X1024806c) %STR-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory $ >list of these error codes available publically? I couldn't find >any in the docs. This problem is on a far-away back burner, but I'd >like to keep poking at it. Upgraded to MX 4.1 about 50 days ago. >VMS 5.4.3. The error might give a hint of whats going on. > There's a memory leak in callable mail that can cause this. It's supposed to be fixed in VMS V6.2. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 16:58:10 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 17:55:55 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0098FE99.EF614380.15107@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Pseudo-Moderated Lists Last fall, there was brief discussion on this list about creating moderated mailing lists with MX. True, it's not a regular feature, but Hunter was pointing out that it can be faked by the use of two mailing lists. The basic outline of the scheme is this. You tell everyone that list X exists, and it has W:W protection. However, the moderator is the only subscriber. There's also list Y which has the real distribution list associated with it. If the moderator likes the message, he forwards it to Y. The idea sounds interesting, but I lack insight in some of the nitty-gritty of how MX works. I'm hoping that by asking I can save hours of experimentation. 1) At what point in the process does the MLF intercept and process messages? In other words, if there is a user account X and a mailing list X, which gets the message? Which comes first, MLF processing, rewrite rule processing, etc. What I'm really wondering is whether the user account X may be the moderator as an alternate way of doing this, or perhaps having user account X forwarded to the moderator. 2) Under the scheme described above, I'd want messages sent to X-Request to be redirected to Y-Request. Can this be done with either MX rewrite rules, MX aliases, or VMS forwarding? 3) I like to run the list with /REPLY=LIST. However, under the scheme described above, I'd want the reply address to be X, not Y. Well, this would be the same result as putting the moderator at user account X (as in (1), above), with /REPLY=SENDER on list Y. Any additional insight in this problem would be appreciated. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 08:36:59 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: fx_andrew@galaxy.logica.co.uk (Andrew Black) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX lists, and gateways that ignore from: Message-ID: <1995May8.142053.1@prduct.logica.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 14:20:53 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I am trying to set up a mailing list; most of the mail from the list passes via a gateway that discards most of the headers before a user sees the message. When a user receives a message he simply sees it coming from 'owner-mylist@mynode' and gets no indication of who origianlly sent it. Furthermore when he replies it goes to 'owner-mylist@mynode' which ends up at my mailbox. As I understand it the FROM field in the envelope is used for this purpose. In order to try an make the situation workable, I wonder if MX could be configured to avoid some of the problems. - can I configure MX so the messages distributed by the list come from 'mylist@mynode' rather than 'owner-mylist@mynode'. - alternatively, can I configure MX so that if a user replies to 'owner-mylist@mynode' it gets posted to the list rather than being sent personally to me. (is this sensible - is there a danger that bounce messages could get posted to the list causing more rejections) - is it possible to configure MX to include the from: line within the body of message. So the header / message might look like From: A Real User Sender: owner-mylist@mynode [..rest of header..] From A Real User [text of message] Any other suggestions would be welcome. I realise that the real problem is that the gateay concerned is behaving in an unfriendly way, but configuring MX is under my control, whilst the gateway is not. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Black blacka@logica.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 16:15:20 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 16:14:54 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009900E7.51FE039E.29@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Pseudo-Moderated Lists "Jonathan E. Hardis" writes: > >Last fall, there was brief discussion on this list about creating moderated >mailing lists with MX. True, it's not a regular feature, but Hunter was >pointing out that it can be faked by the use of two mailing lists. > Yes, it can. >The basic outline of the scheme is this. You tell everyone that list X >exists, and it has W:W protection. However, the moderator is the only >subscriber. There's also list Y which has the real distribution list >associated with it. If the moderator likes the message, he forwards it >to Y. > Right. >The idea sounds interesting, but I lack insight in some of the >nitty-gritty of how MX works. I'm hoping that by asking I can save >hours of experimentation. > > 1) At what point in the process does the MLF intercept and process > messages? In other words, if there is a user account X and a > mailing list X, which gets the message? Which comes first, MLF > processing, rewrite rule processing, etc. > > What I'm really wondering is whether the user account X may be the > moderator as an alternate way of doing this, or perhaps having > user account X forwarded to the moderator. > MX Router will route messages according to the following order: o An MX ALIAS (as defined by MCP DEFINE ALIAS) o An MX mailing list or file server address o A LISTSERV address o A LOCAL delivery So mailing list X would get the mail before user X would. > 2) Under the scheme described above, I'd want messages sent to > X-Request to be redirected to Y-Request. Can this be done with > either MX rewrite rules, MX aliases, or VMS forwarding? > Both MX aliases and VMS forwarding would do that. > 3) I like to run the list with /REPLY=LIST. However, under the scheme > described above, I'd want the reply address to be X, not Y. Well, > this would be the same result as putting the moderator at user account > X (as in (1), above), with /REPLY=SENDER on list Y. > Except that X would never get the messages, since the list gets it first (you'd be setting up a loop). The moderator for list X should have some other username besides X. And you'd use /RETURN_ADDRESS on Y to redirect replies to X. Below my sig is an example I've set up here. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mailing lists: Name: KY-CaveNet Owner: "xxxx@WKU.EDU" "yyyy@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" Reply-to: List, NOSender Description: KY Cave Survey Discussion List Errors-to: xxxx@WKU.EDU Strip header: Received, Other Private list: No Case sensitive: Yes Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD:W) Name: KY-CaveNet-List Owner: "xxxx@WKU.EDU" "yyyy@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" Reply-to: List, Sender Archive: WKU$INFO:[MXMAILER.KY-CAVENET-LIST] Description: KY Cave Survey Discussion List Errors-to: xxxx@WKU.EDU Return address: KY-CaveNet@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Strip header: Received, Other Private list: No Case sensitive: Yes Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RD,WORLD) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 16:17:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 16:17:19 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009900E7.A7DCEC12.25@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX lists, and gateways that ignore from: fx_andrew@galaxy.logica.co.uk (Andrew Black) writes: > >I am trying to set up a mailing list; most of the mail from the >list passes via a gateway that discards most of the headers >before a user sees the message. > That's bad.... >When a user receives a message he simply sees it coming from >'owner-mylist@mynode' and gets no indication of who origianlly sent >it. Furthermore when he replies it goes to 'owner-mylist@mynode' >which ends up at my mailbox. As I understand it the FROM field in the >envelope is used for this purpose. > It's not *supposed* to be used this way. Let me guess: the gateway is a UNIX box..... >In order to try an make the situation workable, I wonder if MX >could be configured to avoid some of the problems. > > - can I configure MX so the messages distributed by the list > come from 'mylist@mynode' rather than 'owner-mylist@mynode'. > No, because that info is being lost before MX sees the message. > - alternatively, can I configure MX so that if a user replies to > 'owner-mylist@mynode' it gets posted to the list rather than > being sent personally to me. > Yes, you could define a rewrite rule that does that. > (is this sensible - is there a danger that bounce messages > could get posted to the list causing more rejections) > Yes, that would cause that problem.... > - is it possible to configure MX to include the from: line within > the body of message. So the header / message might look > like > Only if you pass the message through MX SITE and add it yourself. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 08:46:36 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 09:39:03 EDT From: "Melissa Thomas, Computer Services" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: mdthomas@sae.ssu.umd.edu Message-ID: <00990179.2F2ED7C0.22@sae.ssu.umd.edu> Subject: MX, UCX, and DNS Greetings, We currently have a standalone VAX 4300 running VMS 5.5-2, DEC TCP/IP Services (UCX) 3.1, and MX 4.1 as our Academic Platform (host SAE.SSU.UMD.EDU and IP 131.118.32.1) for faculty and students. Our administrative staff uses a VMS Cluster with UCX 3.1 and MX 4.1. The host names for our cluster are: SAA.SSU.UMD.EDU 131.118.32.2 SAA00.SSU.UMD.EDU 131.118.32.22 SAA01.SSU.UMD.EDU 131.118.32.23 Currently our administrative staff is having severe problems in receipt of Email. We advise of admin users to use the Internet Email address syntax: username@saa.ssu.umd.edu However, whenever someone tries to send an Email message to one of our admin users, they receive a postmaster message instead with the error Host Unknown. Well, this is strange since the UMD.EDU DNS server points queries regarding SSU.UMD.EDU to our DNS server, SSU037.SSU.UMD.EDU. In our DNS server I have the following entries: sae IN A 131.118.32.1 saa IN A 131.118.32.2 72000 IN MX 10 saa01.ssu.umd.edu 72000 IN MX 10 saa00.ssu.umd.edu saa00 IN A 131.118.32.22 saa01 IN A 131.118.32.23 ssu037 IN A 131.118.32.11 IN MX 10 ssu037 Physics IN A 131.118.32.48 IN MX 10 Physics.ssu.umd.edu Could someone do a NSLOOKUP for MX records for SAA.SSU.UMD.EDU and privately mail me the results? Furthermore, from SAE, I can't send mail using MX to SAA without defining SAA in the local UCX hosts database. This confuses me, since UCX has the following logicals concerning BIND: (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) "UCX$BIND_DOMAIN" = "ssu.umd.edu" "UCX$BIND_RETRY" = "...." "UCX$BIND_SERVER" = "........" "UCX$BIND_SERVER000" = "131.118.32.11" "UCX$BIND_SERVER001" = "131.118.32.10" "UCX$BIND_STATE" = "........" "UCX$BIND_TIMEOUT." = "...." The UCX$BIND_SERVER doesn't seem to be defined but there is an entry for SERVER000 = 131.118.32.11 which is our primary DNS server SSU037. Using MX we have disabled SMTP on UCX. Through UCX we can Telnet and FTP to SAA without any problems. Therefore, my questions is, How does MX know what DNS name servers to query? Where can I find out what DNS name servers it is using? Shouldn't MX define at least the DNS Name Server for SSU.UMD.EDU? Thanks for any assistance. - Melissa ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Melissa Thomas Academic Analyst Internet: MDTHOMAS@SAE.SSU.UMD.EDU Salisbury State University BITNET: MDTHOMAS@SAE.TOWSON.EDU Take time today to give someone a hug, to share a friendly smile, and to recycle for a better earth tomorrow. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 10:28:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: gaw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Graham Wood") Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: UCX, MX, IUPOP Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:15:48 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Can anyone help? I have a uVAX running VMS6.1, UCX3.1, MX4.1 and Decus UUCP. I would like to connect some local mail users using the POP protocol. I have aquired IUPOP3. But it is in source form. I do not have the VAX C compiler. Can anyone send me an executable suitable for the above configuration. Many TIA -- Graham Wood Pearpoint Ltd internet: gaw@pearpoint.co.uk fax: 0453-860048 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 13:02:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 11:02:18 EDT From: Simeon Broughton Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: broughton@NICAD3.NIC.BC.CA Message-ID: <00990184.D0C4CE40.26557@NICAD3.NIC.BC.CA> Subject: Deliver This doesn't directly relate to MX but I hoping someone here may have an answer. I've been playing with the DELIVER package, there are a couple of things I'd like to do which it seems to handle. Sending an automated "I'm on vacation till..." type message and automatic filing of messages in a folder if they have "nnn" in the subject line, however the noted minor nuisance that "DELIVER changes the FROM: address of any message it delivers" is causing me some concern. What I am seeing is that if I have DELIVER filtering all the messages from a mailing list and placing them in a certain folder then all the messages that are delivered normally, to the NEWMAIL folder, are from myself. A) Is there any way around this B) is there any other package that would do what I want? Simeon Broughton, Manager, Computer Services. (604)334-5254 North Island College, 2300 Ryan Road, Courtenay, B.C. V9N 8N6. CANADA broughton@nic.bc.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 14:38:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 15:36:05 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009901AB.1027A780.15694@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Pseudo-Moderated Lists Thanks for the reply, Hunter. Actually, having had the weekend to think about the problem (and to rediscover some of the wisdom in the docs), I came up with an alternate solution that only requires one mailing list. The modifications to CONFIG.MCP: DEFINE REWRITE_RULE DEFINE REWRITE_RULE DEFINE PATH "magic2" SITE/ROUTE="MODERATED" What happens is that the mail that comes in for MyList is redirected to the moderator. Then, if the moderator approves the message, he sends it back (using a command called "bounce" on his mailer) to: MyList%magic2@garnet.nist.gov After a %-dehacking in the local phase of the router, the message is delivered to the SITE interface. The SITE_DELIVER.COM has the job of cleaning up the message, to remove visable traces of the "magic1" and "magic2" passwords (which are not the real ones I use, BTW) and perhaps other defects in the headers. Then, it enters the message with an address of MyList-magic1@garnet.nist.gov. After the rewrite rule, the MLF deals with it, without complaint. SITE_DELIVER.COM looks like this: $ SET NOON $ MX_ENTER := $MX_EXE:MX_SITE_IN $ $! Separate processing for different routes $ $ IF P1 .EQS. "OPTION1" THEN GOTO OPTION1_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "OPTION2" THEN GOTO OPTION2_Start $! $ IF P1 .EQS. "MODERATED" THEN GOTO Moderated_Start $ EXIT 4 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ OPTION1_Start: $ $! $ $ EXIT 1 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ Moderated_Start: $! $! Modify contents of source-file (P2) to remove Resent-To: header $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MODERATED.DAT 'P2' $! $! Modify contents of dest-file (P3) to change from %MAGIC2 to -MAGIC1 $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MODERATED.DAT 'P3' $ $ NEW_P2 = F$PARSE(";2",P2) $ NEW_P3 = F$PARSE(";2",P3) $! $! Send processed file on its way $! $ MX_ENTER 'NEW_P2' 'NEW_P3' "''P4'" $! $! For debugging. Move to the relevant place and uncomment to use $! $!! open/write ofile mx_exe:showoff.txt $!! write ofile p1 $!! write ofile p2 $!! write ofile p3 $!! write ofile p4 $!! write ofile new_p2 $!! write ofile new_p3 $!! close ofile $!! copy 'p2' mx_exe:file2.txt $!! copy 'p3' mx_exe:file3.txt $!! copy 'new_p2' mx_exe:filen2.txt $!! copy 'new_p3' mx_exe:filen3.txt $ $ DELETE 'NEW_P2' $ DELETE 'NEW_P3' $ $ EXIT 1 The dirty work is done by two invocations of the EDT editor. Here are the commands in each case: MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MODERATED.DAT: FIND "%magic2@" DELETE . EXIT (Removes a header, "Resent-to: MyList%magic2@garnet.nist.gov", to hide the return address that the moderator uses.) MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MODERATED.DAT: SUBSTITUTE/@MAGIC2>/-MAGIC1@GARNET.NIST.GOV>/ WHOLE /NOTYPE EXIT (Changes the destination of the mail, from the SITE agent clean-up routine to the MLF. Remember, the rewrite-rule will drop the -magic1 part of the address.) This trick relies upon the mailing list to override the return address [/REPLY=(List,NOSender)] of the moderated mail. Note that CHANGE_P2_MODERATED.DAT depends on the software that the moderator uses. During testing, I was using a local VMS account. In this case, I didn't have to deal with a "Resent-To" header, rather the junk that the VMS MAIL FORWARD command added. In this case, CHANGE_P2_MODERATED.DAT was: DELETE 2 THRU 12 EXIT (Notes: No SUBJECT was added during the forwarding. This is reflected in the line count. I didn't try FORWARD/NOHEADER, which might have made life easier.) Yes, MyList@garnet.nist.gov goes to the moderator with a rewrite-rule rather than an alias. This is both a bug and a feature. It's a bug since the "proper" place to have done this would normally have been during the router's local phase, after all ways of expressing the local address have been determined. However, it's a feature since it allows a back door method of avoiding the moderator: MyList%@garnet.nist.gov. The real reason I couldn't do it as an alias is that, after alias processing, the router loops back and does a complete reprocessing of the address. That prevents the basic trick from working. What really would have come in handy would have been a DEFINE LOCAL_ALIAS command, that acts like like aliases (during the local phase of routing), and also like rewrite-rules and paths (in that after the first match, processing continues forward, without looping back). That is, it would be limited to translations of local names to other local names. And to top off this long-winded discussion, if I had to do it over again, I would have done it very differently. In my proposed scheme, when mail comes in for the mailing list, it would go directly to SITE. (A rewrite- rule would send it there). SITE would store a copy of the message in a special directory, and send a copy of it to one or more moderators (perhaps using a special moderator mailing list). The editor would be used to append the name of the file (in the special directory--which would be the dynamic name that MX generates anyway) to the message, in a new header or somewhere. Then, the moderators would know to mail commands to a special entry into SITE (i.e., control%magic-word@garnet...). If the control mail contains any line beginning "OKAY ", SITE would ENTER that file for delivery to MyList-magic1@garnet.nist.gov, then delete the file. Similarly, KILL would just delete the file. (Thank heaven for cut-and-paste capabilities.) And they said it couldn't be done. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 17:50:43 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 18:43:58 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wku.edu Message-ID: <009901C5.4F6C19C0.2@swdev.si.com> Subject: DNS_MXLOOK returns different statuses I notice in the SMTP agent debug logs that the routine DNS_MXLOOK seems to return more than one success value. For example, when using Wollongong's Pathway as the TCP/IP, DNS_MXLOOK returns a status of zero for a success, like this: 9-MAY-1995 18:22:02.53 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name uucp.si.com 9-MAY-1995 18:22:02.54 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000000 9-MAY-1995 18:22:02.61 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with uucp.si.co m [126.15.0.1] 9-MAY-1995 18:22:02.63 SMTP_SEND: Connected while it returns a status of 1 when using UCX and the TCP/IP, like this: 9-MAY-1995 18:22:13.74 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name uucp.si.com 9-MAY-1995 18:22:13.74 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 9-MAY-1995 18:22:14.34 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with uucp.si.co m [126.15.0.1] 9-MAY-1995 18:22:14.35 SMTP_SEND: Connected If this proper? Is it NETLIB that is taking care of sorting out the different statuses? Thanks for any info. -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 05:47:54 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:40:26 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: holm@kontest.lagcr.se (Gunnar Holm) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Using MX as a gateway CC: holm@kontest.lagcr.se Hi ! I'm planning to use MX as a gateway between our local SMTP based net and an external VaxMail/PSI network. I would like to use an alias? file to let my users address their mail to our people on the external net as if they where local to the SMTP net. Example: someone@gate.domain would be PSI%EXTERNAL::MRGATE::A1::SOMEONE Also i think it would be nice if mail send from the external net appeared to come from someone@gate.domain, although that's not a requirement. The addresses on the external net is relatively few, so having a local database with translations is not a problem. Any suggestions on how this can be done? Rgds Gunnar, Lagercrants KonTest AB, Sweden ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:36:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 14:32:53 EDT From: "Stuart A. Cohnen (212-327-7509)" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099026B.6636DCCF.9@RUAXP4.ROCKEFELLER.EDU> Subject: Router process dies You know you going to have a bad day when... Power hit at 8am. The entire cluster goes down. So... The situation is: Mixed cluster, with a VAX doing the MX routing etc.... Everything seems to startup OK, but the Router and SMTP server die right away. VMS 6.0 MX 4.0, Multinet 3.3. This setup has been fine for many months. MCP> status PID Node Process name Status Agent type -------- ------ --------------- ------------------ ------------ 2BC000E1 ROCK02 MX Local Idle Local delivery agent 2BC000DF ROCK02 MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager Suggestions please. Thanks. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:25:05 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:21:31 EDT From: "Stuart A. Cohnen (212-327-7509)" <"ruaxp4::cohnen"@RUVMS2.ROCKEFELLER.EDU> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099027A.932261A0.1@RUVMS2.ROCKEFELLER.EDU> Subject: RE: Router process dies Fixed it myself. The NETLIB line was missing from the ...DAT file. Don't know why... But thanks to anyone who tries to answer /signature ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:14:03 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: "no such host" error from MX Message-ID: <1995May10.123807@genrad.co.uk> From: dongray@genrad.co.uk (Derek Dongray) Date: Wed, 10 May 95 12:38:07 -0100 (BST) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU OK, I'm stumped on this one. I'm running MX 4.1 with Netlib 2.0C on CMU/IP 6.6-5 with patches and the orchard(?) name server. Recently, several messages have been staying in the queue with entries like... Entry: 65, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 647 bytes Created: 10-MAY-1995 09:41:46.70, expires 9-JUN-1995 09:41:46.70 Last modified 10-MAY-1995 10:59:28.42 SMTP entry #36, status: READY, size: 647 bytes, waiting for retry until 10-MAY -1995 11:29:29.42 Created: 10-MAY-1995 10:28:32.72, expires 9-JUN-1995 09:41:46.70 Last modified 10-MAY-1995 10:59:29.45 Recipient #1: , Route=cdvs50 DNS errors=2 Last error: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host Entry: 67, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 5054 bytes Created: 10-MAY-1995 10:53:14.63, expires 9-JUN-1995 10:53:14.63 Last modified 10-MAY-1995 10:53:25.89 SMTP entry #68, status: READY, size: 5054 bytes, waiting for retry until 10-MA Y-1995 11:23:27.16 Created: 10-MAY-1995 10:53:20.85, expires 9-JUN-1995 10:53:14.63 Last modified 10-MAY-1995 10:53:27.34 Recipient #1: , Route=CDVS50.GENRAD.CO.UK DNS errors=1 Last error: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host The SMTP log entries show... 10-MAY-1995 10:11:55.51 Processing queue entry number 67 on node CD3101 10-MAY-1995 10:11:56.07 Recipient: , route=cdvs50 10-MAY-1995 10:11:56.14 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name cdvs50 10-MAY-1995 10:11:57.45 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 10-MAY-1995 10:12:00.68 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=00000870 10-MAY-1995 10:12:00.68 SMTP send failed, sts=0C278024, sts2=00000870 10-MAY-1995 10:12:00.68 Recipient status=0C278024 for 10-MAY-1995 10:12:01.90 1 rcpts need retry, next try 10-MAY-1995 10:42:01.90 10-MAY-1995 10:12:02.03 *** End of processing pass *** However, IPNCP host command has no problem... $ ipncp host cdvs50 Host 'CDVS50' Full Name = 'CDVS50.GENRAD.CO.UK' Address [1] = 193.116.3.160 Here's the line from the HOSTS.TXT file... $ sea sys$library:hosts.txt cdvs50 HOST:193.116.3.160:cdvs50.genrad.co.uk,cdvs50,genrad.co.uk:vs4060:vms:tcp/ftp And a section of the domain name server file... $ sea domsdir:cd3101.zone_master cdvs50/wind=11 in wks 193.116.3.158 tcp ftp telnet smtp cdvs49 in a 193.116.3.159 in hinfo vs4vlc vms in mx 10 cdvs49.genrad.co.uk in wks 193.116.3.159 tcp ftp telnet smtp cdvs50 in a 193.116.3.160 in hinfo vs4060 vms in mx 10 cdvs50.genrad.co.uk in wks 193.116.3.160 tcp ftp telnet smtp cdcq35 in a 193.116.3.161 in hinfo pc dos in wks 193.116.3.161 tcp cdcq36 in a 193.116.3.162 Also TELNET works... $ telnet cdvs50/port=25 %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying to connect to CDVS50 %TELNET-S-OPEN, Connection Opened to CDVS50.GENRAD.CO.UK Current ESCAPE Key is: [^^] 220 cdvs50.genrad.co.uk MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Wed, 10 May 1995 10:57: 53 -0100 (BST) quit 221 cdvs50.genrad.co.uk Service closing transmission channel. %TELNET-S-RETURNING, Returning to CD3101.GENRAD.CO.UK So what am I missing? Why can't MX find the host name? Let me know if you need any more info. I don't think I've left anything out, but am often wrong! :-) -- Derek Dongray, Systems Manager, GenRad Ltd., Cheshire, UK. E-mail : dongray@genrad.com or Derek.Dongray@GenRad.co.uk PSS : 234261600119::Dongray CompuServe : 70374,2745 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:50:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Pedro M. Matias" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX for Alpha AXP/VMS systems Date: 11 May 1995 19:11:11 GMT Message-ID: <3otngf$cft@iris02.itqb.unl.pt> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi. I just started getting usenet news so excuse me if I go back to an old question... Is there a version of MX for OpenVMS/AXP systems ? Please reply directly to matias@itqb.unl.pt Thanks, Pedro. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:10:13 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 22:07:23 WET From: Ralph Kloess Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-LIST%WKUVX1.WKU.EDU@VISION.RS.CH Message-ID: <00990374.0ECF80E0.1@EUROPA.RS.CH> Subject: Re.:Using MX as a gateway >Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:40:26 +0100 >From: holm@kontest.lagcr.se (Gunnar Holm) >Subject: Using MX as a gateway >Message-ID: > >Hi ! > >I'm planning to use MX as a gateway between our local SMTP based net >and an external VaxMail/PSI network. I would like to use an alias? file >to let my users address their mail to our people on the external net as >if they where local to the SMTP net. >Example: > >someone@gate.domain would be PSI%EXTERNAL::MRGATE::A1::SOMEONE > >Also i think it would be nice if mail send from the external net appeared to >come from someone@gate.domain, although that's not a requirement. > >The addresses on the external net is relatively few, so having a local >database with translations is not a problem. The easiest way in doing this, is using MAIL MAIL>set forward "PSI%whatever::mrgate::a1::whoever" /user=GATE.whoever That way all users "appear as local users, and it's very easy to maintain. > >Any suggestions on how this can be done? > >Rgds >Gunnar, Lagercrants KonTest AB, Sweden Regards, Ralph Kloess +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ I Ralph Kloess I I I I I +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:45:54 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:22:36 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: matias@itqb.unl.pt CC: mx-list@wku.edu Message-ID: <00990343.E45813C0.29@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: MX for Alpha AXP/VMS systems Pedro M. Matias (matias@itqb.unl.pt) writes: >Is there a version of MX for OpenVMS/AXP systems ? > >Please reply directly to matias@itqb.unl.pt MX V4.1 runs on both the Alpha and the VAX flavors of OpenVMS. The installation kit determines the architecture automatically and selects the approriate objects to link. One thing you should know about Usenet groups. If you ask a question in a newsgroup and then say "but don't bother to reply in the group cause I'm not reading it", you'll very likely get flamed. You see, if you're not willing to read the group in which you ask for an answer, why should anybody take the time to answer your question. Information exchange is a two-way street and if you won't expend any effort looking for responses, don't expect people to expend effort responding. -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 09:21:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 19:35:49 +0300 (EET DST) From: Mikko Eskola Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe vmsnet.mail.mx meskola@rupikonna.spt.fi ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 01:14:37 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 08:02:04 +0200 From: reisacher@goethe.de Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: Message-ID: <009906EB.CC283A40.5@GI011L.GOETHE.DE> Subject: rewriting MX mail data From: NAME: Georg Reisacher FUNC: Netz- und Systemmanagement TEL: +49 89 15921-399 To: NAME: via Internet I wrote to Matt: >We are using the MX-Mailer, which is an excellent Software. I would >rewrite the content of a mail (data). >We are in germany and we use ALL-IN-ONE to create our emails. We >have the german keyboard on all our terminals. In our non-internet mails >it's normal to use the german character set. When people write an internet >mail, they must be aware of the 7-bit character set. We would create a >programm, which convert the german characters into an replacement string. >Is there any interface in the MX-Mailer to rewrite the mail data? I got the answer: The SITE interface will probably do what you want; it lets you pass messages through to any program you supply. You should find documentation on the SITE interface in the MX Programmer's Guide. You might also ask your question on the MX mailing list (MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU) to see if any other MX users have already done what you want to do. Did anyone wrote such a program? Georg Reisacher ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 08:12:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:07:22 EDT From: "Vax P12VX1 , UNIVERSITE DE CRETEIL" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: leon@univ-paris12.fr Message-ID: <00990982.B4F23120.6@univ-paris12.fr> help ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:41:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Sunkiss@mumu.land.net (SunKiss) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Appology Date: 17 May 1995 15:16:51 GMT Message-ID: <3pd413$ini@huey.cadvision.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: INFO-MULTINET@TGV.COM Hello to everyone in this newsgroup. Please accept my humble appology for my last posting regarding Mu Mu land. That particular posting was not appropriate for this particular USNET group and was not intend to be posted here. That posting was _accidental_ and once again, I appologize to you all for any inconvenience this might have caused. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:41:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: tami@vxcern.enet.dec.com () Subject: MIT Magic COOKIE authorization with Multinet XDM server Message-ID: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 13:05:31 GMT To: INFO-MULTINET@TGV.COM Does/will some version of Multinet support XDM MIT MAGIC COOKIE authorization?? If so, how does one use it?? The Multinet Administrator's Guide is not very clear on this subject. Thanks, Tami Kramer CN VMS support CERN ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:09:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Kostya Rudenko Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX4.1 and home adress Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 19:42:43 +0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello. The problem is - how to change our return path from mosca.sai.msu.su to sai.msu.su ????? Thanks. kroky@sai.msu.su ara@sai.msu.su ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:42:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 17:40:14 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: kroky@sai.msu.su, ara@sai.msu.su, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00990998.1037C620.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: MX4.1 and home adress > Hello. How do we change our return path from mosca.sai.msu.su to > sai.msu.su ????? It depends, in part, on the IP software you are using. I use CMU/TEK TCP/IP, and the SYS$MANAGER:IP_STARTUP.COM file contains a line that defines the INTERNET_HOST_NAME logical. You also need to check the MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT file. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 04:04:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: gaw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Graham Wood") Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: routing problem Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 11:51:25 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Can anyone help. I have a routing problem I cannot locate: I have a vax - gwvax which has uucp coonections to another vax - pearpoint and to a pc - testpc. Messages from test pc are supposed to route through gwvax to pearpoint and if neccessary to the outside world. The pearpoint machine is our domain gateway. Hence is "pearpoint.co.uk" If I send a message from testpc to gaw@pearpoint.uucp it will be delivered correctly. If I send a message from "testpc" to gaw@pearpoint.co.uk it will appear at my account on gwvax. Why does this happen? How can I fix it? I am running vms6.1 decus uucp, mx4.1 I enabled logging on rmail. The following is at the start of the log file: mx_rmail_log.log ---------------- 20-MAY-1995 11:59:18.92 RMAIL: My node name is gwvax.uucp, my UUCP node name is gwvax.pearpoint.co.uk 20-MAY-1995 11:59:18.96 RMAIL: Input file is UUCP_SPOOL:D.TESTPC11SD 20-MAY-1995 11:59:18.97 RMAIL: Recipient RMAIL UUCP_SPOOL:D.TESTPC11SD"gaw" rewritten as the path section of mcp currently shows: --------------------------------------- Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="gwvax.pearpoint.co.uk", Path=Local Domain="pearpoint.co.uk", Path=UUCP Domain="gwvax.UUCP", Path=Local Domain="gwvax", Path=Local Domain="*.gwvax.pearpoint.co.uk", Path=Local Domain="*.pearpoint.co.uk", Path=UUCP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=UUCP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=UUCP Domain="*.FAX", Path=Site, Route="FAX" Domain="*", Path=UUCP mx_rmail_log.log 20-MAY-1995 11:59:18.92 RMAIL: My node name is gwvax.uucp, my UUCP node name is gwvax.pearpoint.co.uk 20-MAY-1995 11:59:18.96 RMAIL: Input file is UUCP_SPOOL:D.TESTPC11SD 20-MAY-1995 11:59:18.97 RMAIL: Recipient RMAIL UUCP_SPOOL:D.TESTPC11SD "gaw" rewritten as -- Graham Wood Pearpoint Ltd internet: gaw@pearpoint.co.uk fax: 0453-860048 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:55:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:05:13 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00990BAB.9D18ED20.7@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: MX4.1 and home adress Kostya Rudenko asks how to change return path from mosca.sai.msu.su to sai.msu.su. Define MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST "@SAI.MSU.SU" You need to put this change in your MX_LOGICALS.DAT file. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:28:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:24:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Badrak Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX List CC: "Don Badrak (GEO-CMS)" Subject: emulate MultiNet behavior Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Fellow MXers, I'm trying to get a Word Perfect Office gateway to receive mail from MX (I've mentioned this before, and the solution was to use UUCP, but I really can't do that). It keeps dying everytime it trys to send into WPGATE (a logical for a foreign mailer) with a file name error (can't create a filename). I believe that is has to do with the % in MX%"user@domain" in the TO field. I can't find a way around it. Is there a way for me to rewrite the TO: address so that it is just the VMS username (i.e., D_BADRAK instead of MX%"d_badrak@aims.census.gov")? Maybe with a MX_VMS_TO_FORMAT logical (or something like that). If so, can someone point me to examples? This would emulate the way that MultiNet SMTP handles incoming mail. The company says they support MultiNet, not MX. They took about a month to figure that answer out, too. I'd rather use MX, but I'm running out of possibilities... Thanks for any help. Don --- Don.Badrak@Census.GOV 301.457.1125 work MWThF Geography Division 301.457.4336 work Tu U.S. Bureau of the Census 301.457.4710 fax Suitland MD, USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:18:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hruska@bmcwest.com (Paul Hruska) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: VMS MAILSHR Patch Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:59:14 GMT Message-ID: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello all, I am attempting to patch the Mailshr program to allow for standard '@' addressing of VMS-Mail (Isn't it wonderful that 'Open-VMS' needs to be patched for the rest of the world?). Sorry for the cynical side- line, but talking to several DEC engenieers at DECUS, they were proud that VMS "was more open than most UNIX's". Anyway, I have downloaded the VMSMail_Patch.ZIP from SPCVXA.SPC.EDU and tried to apply it to no avail. I'm afraid that the 6.0 patch is not compatible with 6.1 VMS. If I am missing the obvious, like where the right patch is, or God forbid DEC finally made VMS-Mail '@' compliant, Please let me know. Thanks in advance, Paul ====================================================================== Paul Hruska | Phone: (208) 387-4384 BMC West Corporation | Fax: (208) 331-4456 1475 Tyrell Ln | Internet: Hruska@BMCWest.Com Boise, ID 83707 USA | "Once I was happy, Now I work." ====================================================================== Paul Hruska | Phone: (208) 387-4384 BMC West Corporation | Fax: (208) 331-4456 1475 Tyrell Ln | Internet: Hruska@BMCWest.Com Boise, ID 83707 USA | "Once I was happy, Now I work." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 01:06:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 95 16:04:17 EST From: chrisn@pican.pi.csiro.au (Chris Nutt (T)) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <9505230604.AA04178@pi.csiro.au> To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Subject: a minor problem.. Hi anybody that may be able to help, I have just installed MX and IUPOP3 on an AXP with OVMS V6.1 Howvever, almost no mail goes out but sits in the queue ready to go. I have now about 25 email that have not gone and my staff are getting worried. I feel that it is a DNS problem. I have got it configured right at last and so mail comes in OK, however hardly any goes out but sits in the queue saying that the "remote node is currently unreachable" even though I can ping that node. If someone could help, I would appreciate it, even my request here for help was happily sitting in the queue going nowhere! Are there any commands in MCP to: 1. readdress a mail already sent but queued, 2. bounce back queued mail to postmaster for change, 3. find out what is the reason for stalling. Any helps would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advancxe, Chris Nutt, Sysmgr+Net Admin, CSIRO Cotton Research, Australia. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 04:43:24 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: a minor problem.. Date: 23 May 1995 09:03:56 GMT Message-ID: <3ps8ds$ama@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <9505230604.AA04178@pi.csiro.au>, chrisn@pican.pi.csiro.au (Chris Nutt (T)) writes: =Hi anybody that may be able to help, = =I have just installed MX and IUPOP3 on an AXP with OVMS V6.1 = =Howvever, almost no mail goes out but sits in the queue ready to go. = =I have now about 25 email that have not gone and my staff are getting worried. = =I feel that it is a DNS problem. I have got it configured right at last and so mail comes in OK, however hardly any goes out but sits in the queue saying that the "remote node is currently unreachable" even though I can ping that node. = =If someone could help, I would appreciate it, even my request here for help was happily sitting in the queue going nowhere! = =Are there any commands in MCP to: = = 1. readdress a mail already sent but queued, Not as far as I know. = 2. bounce back queued mail to postmaster for change, Not as far as I know. = 3. find out what is the reason for stalling. Yes. The command: $ MCR MX_EXE:MCP QUEUE SHOW/FULL should tell you the status of all currently queued messages, including the reason for the most recent failure to deliver. That information MIGHT be enough for you to solve your problem. If it's not, then you'll want to enable debugging for the appropriate agent. See the MX_MGMT_GUIDE for details. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 05:02:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:02:09 +0200 From: reisacher@goethe.de Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: Message-ID: <00990C8D.7ED76DE0.14@GI011L.GOETHE.DE> Subject: Problems with MX and CMU-IP From: NAME: Georg Reisacher FUNC: Netz- und Systemmanagement TEL: +49 89 15921-399 To: mx%"MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu"@internet MX-Mailer or CMU Bug? Hello, I get the following errors by MX-Mailer V4.1 on VAX/VMS V5.5-2. Some mails need a lot of time to transport, because they produce many retries. My TCP/IP- protocol is the OpenCMU IPACP(V6.6-5A). On the other side of the Ethernet there is an OSF/1 V3.0 machine with sendmail. Does anybody know about problems in conjunction with VMS-CMU and OSF/1 V3.0. Thanks for your help Georg $ mcp queue show /full Entry: 5, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 396 bytes Created: 17-MAY-1995 13:02:04.71, expires 16-JUN-1995 13:02:04.71 Last modified 17-MAY-1995 14:37:22.55 SMTP entry #6, status: READY, size: 396 bytes, waiting for retry until 17-MAY-1995 15:02:53.44 Created: 17-MAY-1995 13:02:07.37, expires 16-JUN-1995 13:02:04.71 Last modified 17-MAY-1995 14:47:53.46 Recipient #1: , Route=GI020X.GOETHE.DE Error count=4 Last error: %MX-E-PROTOERR, protocol error? MX_SMTP_LOG.LOG: =============== 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.05 Processing queue entry number 6 on node GI011L 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.14 Recipient: , route=GI020X.GOETHE.DE 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.14 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name GI020X.GOETHE.DE 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.15 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.17 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with gi020x.goethe.de. [193.174.244.2] 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.18 SMTP_SEND: Connected 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.26 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 220 GI020X.goethe.de Sendmail 5.65 (1.1.8.2/22Mar95-0153PM) Sun, 14 May 1995 17:55:36 +0200 14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.28 SMTP_SEND: Sent: HELO GI011L.GOETHE.DE 14-MAY-1995 18:03:22.28 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 14-MAY-1995 18:03:22.32 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=0C278042 14-MAY-1995 18:03:22.32 Recipient status=0C27804A for 14-MAY-1995 18:03:22.53 1 rcpts need retry, next try 14-MAY-1995 18:18:22.53 14-MAY-1995 18:03:22.56 *** End of processing pass *** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 07:48:07 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 08:43:46 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: reisacher@goethe.de Message-ID: <00990C71.C7E769C0.16@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Problems with MX and CMU-IP George Reisache (reisacher@goethe.de) wrote: >14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.17 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with >gi020x.goethe.de. [193.174.244.2] >14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.18 SMTP_SEND: Connected >14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.26 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 220 GI020X.goethe.de Sendmail 5.65 >(1.1.8.2/22Mar95-0153PM) Sun, 14 May 1995 17:55:36 +0200 >14-MAY-1995 17:53:22.28 SMTP_SEND: Sent: HELO GI011L.GOETHE.DE >14-MAY-1995 18:03:22.28 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: >14-MAY-1995 18:03:22.32 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=0C278042 The penultimate line above indicates that MX did not receive the "250 Hello" response from GI020X.goethe.de. Try TELNETing to port 25 on that node and typing "HELO GI011L.GOETHE.DE" to see what you get back. If you don't get the "Hello" response, then you've discovered that the Sendmail on GI020X.goethe.de is flakey. -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:14:24 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:12:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Badrak Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX List Subject: Re: emulate MultiNet behavior Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 May 1995, Jonathan E. Hardis wrote: > > I'm trying to get a Word Perfect Office gateway to receive mail from MX > > I'm not familiar with Word Perfect Office, so I don't understand the > problem. > > 1) Is Word Perfect Office a program that runs on the VAX (along with MX) > or a PC? If a PC, what is the connection between the PC and the VAX? WPO runs on a VAX. It has a proprietary mail system, one we're trying to get away from, FWIW. It is similar to VMS mail, but it also allows attachments of binary files (Word Perfect for VMS). > 2) I take it that this VAX has some connection to the outside world, > other than perhaps WPO, and what you're trying to do is to link > mail between the two environments. Whatever this outside link is, > it is one that MX normally handles to/from VMSMail. (If these > presumptions are not correct, please say so.) The outside world is not what I'm immediately worried about. What I'm trying to do is get mail from Unix machines and ccMail by way of SMTP into this WPO system. > Is it the case that you're having trouble getting mail from the > outside world into Word Perfect Office? Or are the Word Perfect > Office users having trouble sending mail to the outside world? The problem lies when the message comes in to VMS mail (as MX delivers it), where users have a forwarding address that sends them to WPO mail. That forwarding address is of the form WPGATE::USERNAME, where WPGATE is a system logical that points to a delivery mechanism (as MX does), like WPCORP_WPGATE31%. What that system is doing is trying to make a filename out of the TO: field. It is not smart enough (like that's a surprise :-) to pull out the illegal characters (a major shortcoming, IMHO), such as a % or an @. If you look at the To: field on a message that was delivered by MX, you'll see something like: MX%"d_badrak@aims.census.gov" Well, WPO is choking on either the % (my guess) or the @. The vendor says they support MultiNet, which for a local user will just put the username, NOT in an RFC822 address format. What I'm looking for is a way to do the same thing as MultiNet. Don Don --- Don.Badrak@Census.GOV 301.457.1125 work MWThF Geography Division 301.457.4336 work Tu U.S. Bureau of the Census 301.457.4710 fax Suitland MD, USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:27:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:26:59 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00990C77.D1EF197B.3@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: emulate MultiNet behavior Don Badrak writes: > >I believe that is has to do with the % in MX%"user@domain" in the TO >field. I can't find a way around it. > >Is there a way for me to rewrite the TO: address so that it is just the >VMS username (i.e., D_BADRAK instead of MX%"d_badrak@aims.census.gov")? No, there's not, unless you modify the sources to not make the conversion. I will put that on the wish list (I actually thought that I had left that as optional, but I didn't). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:33:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:33:01 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00990C78.A9941E49.23@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: VMS MAILSHR Patch hruska@bmcwest.com (Paul Hruska) writes: > >I am attempting to patch the Mailshr program to allow for standard '@' >addressing of VMS-Mail (Isn't it wonderful that 'Open-VMS' needs to >be patched for the rest of the world?). Sorry for the cynical side- >line, but talking to several DEC engenieers at DECUS, they were proud >that VMS "was more open than most UNIX's". > VMS Mail was written long before it became "standard" to use "@" in addresses. >Anyway, I have downloaded the VMSMail_Patch.ZIP from SPCVXA.SPC.EDU >and tried to apply it to no avail. I'm afraid that the 6.0 patch is >not compatible with 6.1 VMS. If I am missing the obvious, like where >the right patch is, Look on ftp.wku.edu in [.VMS.FILESERV] or ftp.spc.edu in [.MACRO32.SAVESETS] for: MAILSHR_PATCH_FOR_AT_VAX_61.ZIP PATCH_MAILSHR_ON_VMS_N_AXP_61.ZIP >or God forbid DEC finally made VMS-Mail '@' >compliant, Please let me know. > In VMS V6.2, MAIL allows you to omit the MX% (or SMTP% or whatever), so you will never have to patch MAIL again to do that. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:39:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:36:22 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: chrisn@pican.pi.csiro.au, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00990C81.82E9B840.9@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: a minor problem.. > I feel that it is a DNS problem. Why? On what evidence? > I have got it configured right at last and so mail comes in OK, however > hardly any goes out but sits in the queue saying that the "remote node is > currently unreachable" even though I can ping that node. If you can "Ping" the same nodes by _name_ that you want to send mail to, then it's not a DNS problem. > Are there any commands in MCP to: > 1. readdress a mail already sent but queued, No. > 2. bounce back queued mail to postmaster for change, No. > 3. find out what is the reason for stalling. Enable the error logs. Read the manual to find out how. > Any helps would be greatly appreciated. Your plea for help was a little on the sketchy side. Next time, please tell us what underlying IP software you are using, and provide configuration and error data. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:07:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:05:25 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00990C85.91E7C680.2@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: emulate MultiNet behavior >>I believe that is has to do with the % in MX%"user@domain" in the TO >>field. I can't find a way around it. >> >>Is there a way for me to rewrite the TO: address so that it is just the >>VMS username (i.e., D_BADRAK instead of MX%"d_badrak@aims.census.gov")? > No, there's not, unless you modify the sources to not make the > conversion. I will put that on the wish list (I actually thought that > I had left that as optional, but I didn't). In a way I'm sorry that Don replied publically to my private, basic questions. On the other hand, Hunter, if you understand the root of the problem, please fill me in. Is it that the "To:" header in the body of the message (as opposed to the envelope) needs to be massaged? If so, it sounds like a problem ripe for the SITE agent. I'd take a crack at it, if I knew exactly what needed to be done. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:26:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:05:23 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: stacks Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: emulate MultiNet behavior > > >On Mon, 22 May 1995, Jonathan E. Hardis wrote: > >> > I'm trying to get a Word Perfect Office gateway to receive mail from MX >> [snip] I have tried several different options at my site to get WPO (VAX & PCs) to talk intelligently to MX. The best, low cost, option I have found so far is to use MX in conjunction with UUCP to communicate with WPO. Still, I have problems and it is my understanding that to really fix the situation someone (whoever has the time and *really* needs it badly enough) will have to write a site interface for MX *OR* I understand Multinet has a product that will allow WPO to communicate better with VMS Mail/MX/rest-of-the-world. I wish you good luck. I had to give up until the 'powers-that-be' decide to allow us to spend the money necessary to get a "for-cost" solution. > >Don >--- >Don.Badrak@Census.GOV 301.457.1125 work MWThF >Geography Division 301.457.4336 work Tu >U.S. Bureau of the Census 301.457.4710 fax >Suitland MD, USA > -- Rick -- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 voice: 501-570-2174 fax: 501-562-4632 email: stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:45:17 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:43:03 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00990C9B.9760D460.2@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: emulate MultiNet behavior > I have tried several different options at my site to get WPO (VAX & PCs) to > talk intelligently to MX. The best, low cost, option I have found so far is > to use MX in conjunction with UUCP to communicate with WPO. Still, I have > problems and it is my understanding that to really fix the situation someone > (whoever has the time and *really* needs it badly enough) will have to write > a site interface for MX *OR* I understand Multinet has a product that will > allow WPO to communicate better with VMS Mail/MX/rest-of-the-world. > > I wish you good luck. I had to give up until the 'powers-that-be' decide to > allow us to spend the money necessary to get a "for-cost" solution. The light is beginning to dawn on what you folk are talking about. My basic problem is that I have no documentation for VMS callable mail. (If it's publically available, I'd love to know where.) Hunter (or otherwise), please correct me if I'm wrong. But it seems as if when MX (or any other program) hands off a message to VMS for insertion in its mail system, it passes separate arguments for the user account to which the mail is to be delivered and the text string that is to show in the "TO" field of the VMS Mail system. The root of the problem is that MX spices up the text string with "MX%'xxx'", while Multinet doesn't. If this diagnosis is correct, then MX LOCAL cannot be used to deliver the mail (without a change in its code). However, nothing stops a SITE command file from delivering LOCAL mail by some other method. For example, SITE could use the VMS Mail command to enter mail locally, though this simple example would cause the loss of the VMSMail "FROM" information (unless there's a hook in the MAIL command that I don't know about). There are subtilties here that I have no experience in, like what would happen if there are multiple local recipients for a message (does SITE get a list of recipients, or is it called once per recipient?). Also, while it would be fairly easy to redirect mail for specific users into SITE... [ DEFINE ALIAS USER1 USER1@FOOBAR DEFINE ALIAS USER2 USER2@FOOBAR DEFINE ALIAS USER3 USER3@FOOBAR DEFINE PATH FOOBAR SITE ] ...it's not clear what would happen if you tried to use SITE instead of LOCAL for all paths. (I may require a lot of extra address parsing in SITE.) In summary, the solution *may* be as simple as writing a bare-bones local delivery agent that can be run by the SITE command procedure as an .EXE. However, that's left as an exercise for the reader. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:54:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:54:37 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00990C94.D37C9459.3@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: emulate MultiNet behavior "Jonathan E. Hardis" writes: > >In a way I'm sorry that Don replied publically to my private, basic >questions. On the other hand, Hunter, if you understand the root of the >problem, please fill me in. > >Is it that the "To:" header in the body of the message (as opposed to the >envelope) needs to be massaged? If so, it sounds like a problem ripe for >the SITE agent. I'd take a crack at it, if I knew exactly what needed to >be done. > I *think* the problem is that MX changes the VMS Mail To: header to read MX%"xxxx@xxx". This is done in the MX Local stuff, so passing it to SITE wouldn't help (of course, *all* such mail could be handed off to SITE, which could then route it all properly). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:56:10 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Badrak Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: stacks CC: MX List Subject: Re: emulate MultiNet behavior Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rick, On Tue, 23 May 1995, stacks wrote: > I have tried several different options at my site to get WPO (VAX & PCs) to > talk intelligently to MX. The best, low cost, option I have found so far is > to use MX in conjunction with UUCP to communicate with WPO. Still, I have > problems and it is my understanding that to really fix the situation someone > (whoever has the time and *really* needs it badly enough) will have to write > a site interface for MX *OR* I understand Multinet has a product that will > allow WPO to communicate better with VMS Mail/MX/rest-of-the-world. > > I wish you good luck. I had to give up until the 'powers-that-be' decide to > allow us to spend the money necessary to get a "for-cost" solution. You sent me your solution a while back. I just couldn't justify spending the time on installing UUCP and things like that to support this. However, in my testing today, I found that a really ugly forwarding address on the WPO node (cluster) seemed to work. I have a two-node cluster, NODE1 and NODE2. If I deliver the message like: to: user@node2.domain and on the cluster I have a forwarding address like: MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=USERNAME NODE2::NODE1::WPGATE::USERNAME It will actually deliver it. Back and forth and stuff. Really icky, but it works. I will probably still search for a better solution, though. The idea I think is to not let MX do the actual delivery to WPGATE. That's where it appears to be choking. Don --- Don.Badrak@Census.GOV 301.457.1125 work MWThF Geography Division 301.457.4336 work Tu U.S. Bureau of the Census 301.457.4710 fax Suitland MD, USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 16:41:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Message-ID: <1995May23.105840.361@tachyon.com> From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Date: 23 May 95 10:58:40 CST Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article , hruska@bmcwest.com (Paul Hruska) writes: > Hello all, > > I am attempting to patch the Mailshr program to allow for standard '@' > addressing of VMS-Mail (Isn't it wonderful that 'Open-VMS' needs to > be patched for the rest of the world?). Sorry for the cynical side- > line, but talking to several DEC engenieers at DECUS, they were proud > that VMS "was more open than most UNIX's". > > Anyway, I have downloaded the VMSMail_Patch.ZIP from SPCVXA.SPC.EDU > and tried to apply it to no avail. I'm afraid that the 6.0 patch is > not compatible with 6.1 VMS. If I am missing the obvious, like where > the right patch is, or God forbid DEC finally made VMS-Mail '@' > compliant, Please let me know. > From ftp.spc.edu, directory [.macro32.savesets] MAILSHR_PATCH_FOR_AT_VAX_61.ZIP;1 PATCH_MAILSHR_ON_VMS_N_AXP_61.ZIP;1 BTW, VMS 6.2 *does* allow internet addresses, plus alternate transports with the MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT logical. -- ======================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting |wayne@tachyon.com >>mail to pgpkey@tachyon.com for pgp key |(214)-553-9760 Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B ======================================================================== Butler:"Gentlemen!" Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:09:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: [mx.queue.X] files not getting deleted Message-ID: <1995May23.150500@lucy.merrimack.edu> From: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu () Date: Tue, 23 May 95 15:05:00 EST Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Anybody ever seen the [mx.queue.X] directories get filled with leftover files. It looks to me like they're not getting deleted. For some reason there's an ACL of the form 0.DIR;1 [SYSTEM] (RWE,RWE,RE,) (DEFAULT_PROTECTION,SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:,WORLD:) on all of the directories. -- Rand P. Hall, Manager of Systems and Networking Merrimack College, North Andover, MA, USA rand@merrimack.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:05:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:32:54 MDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com Message-ID: <00990D6B.B87D1FC0.1@borgil.cxo.dec.com> Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch |>BTW, VMS 6.2 *does* allow internet addresses, plus alternate transports with |>the MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT logical. Anyone care to give an example of how this works and how to set this up? 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How does one actually make the archive extraction work? How does one setup "packages"? I created a test area and the mail is being archived, since I can view the contents of the test.1995-05 file. Sending any of the archive commands returns errors. Any ideas? ______ Sample _______________________________________________________ From: MX%"archive@west.cscwc.pima.edu" 24-MAY-1995 14:54:50.74 To: MX%"cdooling@west.cscwc.pima.edu" CC: Subj: File server archive: transaction log Command: sendme TEST.1995-05 Unknown package name: TEST -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cindy Dooling PCCWST::PIMAMGR PimaCommunityCollege cdooling@west.cscwc.pima.edu 2202 W. Anklam voice: 520 884-6970 Tucson, Arizona 85709-0010 fax: 520 884-6033 ** No FEAR, just a healthy respect ** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:53:17 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:53:06 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00990D87.B023606B.19@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support writes: > >|>BTW, VMS 6.2 *does* allow internet addresses, plus alternate transports with >|>the MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT logical. > > Anyone care to give an example of how this works and how to set this > up? > It's a piece of cake; there's either a) no setting up to do or b) defining one logical. By default, when MAIL sees "user@node", it treats it as "NODE::user"; when it sees "user@node.xxx.xxx", it treats it as if it were SMTP%"user@node.xxx.xxx". To specify some transport besides SMTP%, simply: $ define/sys/exec mail$internet_transport mx That's it. (And if it sounds like Claude Barbe's patch, that's 'cause it is---at least, Digital got his permission to make their changes based on his patches.) Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:11:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Peter Burnett Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: emulate MultiNet behavior Date: 24 May 1995 23:03:35 +0100 Message-ID: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello stacks@pc-185-60.osmre.gov! Tuesday May 23 1995, stacks@pc-185-60.osmre.gov writes to All: s> I have tried several different options at my site to get WPO (VAX & PCs) s> to talk intelligently to MX. The best, low cost, option I have found so s> far is s> to use MX in conjunction with UUCP to communicate with WPO. Still, I s> have problems and it is my understanding that to really fix the s> situation someone (whoever has the time and *really* needs it badly s> enough) will have to write a site interface for MX *OR* I understand s> Multinet has a product that will allow WPO to communicate better with s> VMS Mail/MX/rest-of-the-world. s> I wish you good luck. I had to give up until the 'powers-that-be' s> decide to allow us to spend the money necessary to get a "for-cost" s> solution. While not a direct answer to your problem, we have a whole host of PC, Vaxen and Unix boxes all running. To get them to all talk to each other, we use one box to provide a top star for everything, this run Linux + Sendmail, this talks happily to MX on the Vaxen, KA9Q on a small 386 PC running a POP3 Server for some of the PC's, Sendmail on the Unix boxes for those boxes and finally a PC running C2SMTP for the SMTP <> MHS gateway for the other PC Users. Eveything runs around using SMTP/POP3 using the Linux box as a central distibution point. -- Peter Burnett Internet: pdb@neverlnd.demon.co.uk 10 Parsons Close Fidonet: Peter Burnett 2:441/80 St. Leonards On Sea East Sussex, UK, TN38 9QT Fax: 44-1424-853364 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:01:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Message-ID: <1995May25.100919.16721@zippy.dct.ac.uk> From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: 25 May 95 10:09:19 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00990D87.B023606B.19@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: > > By default, when MAIL sees "user@node", it treats it as "NODE::user"; > when it sees "user@node.xxx.xxx", it treats it as if it were > SMTP%"user@node.xxx.xxx". To specify some transport besides SMTP%, > simply: > > $ define/sys/exec mail$internet_transport mx > > That's it. (And if it sounds like Claude Barbe's patch, that's 'cause > it is---at least, Digital got his permission to make their changes > based on his patches.) But with Claude's patch you can easily alter it to treat user@node as SMTP%"user@node" rather than assume DECNET node::user. Can you do this with the official 6.2 Mail? -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (01382) 308810 Int +44 1382 308810 ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 04:47:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Message-ID: <3q440l$blk@aragorn.unibe.ch> From: (Martin Egger) Date: 26 May 1995 08:37:41 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00990D6B.B87D1FC0.1@borgil.cxo.dec.com>, Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support writes: >|>BTW, VMS 6.2 *does* allow internet addresses, plus alternate transports with >|>the MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT logical. > > Anyone care to give an example of how this works and how to set this > up? $ def /sys /exec mail$internet_transport in $ mail MAIL> se To: egger@id.unibe.ch etc. Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Martin Egger Phone: +41 (0)31 631 38 45 University of Bern, Computer Center Fax: +41 (0)31 631 38 65 Gesellschaftsstrasse 6, CH-3012 Bern eMail: egger@id.unibe.ch Switzerland Telex: 912643 pibe ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 13:33:55 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: stellanl@vaxkab.e.kth.se (Stellan Lagerstroem) Subject: LOCAL delivery problems - MAIL$ returns (RMS) errors Date: 24 May 1995 15:31:34 GMT Message-ID: <3pvjgm$p9h@news.kth.se> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Maybe someone can shed some light on the following, or tell me a good way to narrow the search: *The LOCAL delivery agent running on my DEC3000-400 (VMS 6.1, MX 3.2) keeps failing to deliver. The LOCAL agent on a VAX in the same cluster have no problems. This makes me suspect my system parameters etc., but I just don't seem to be able to nail down which resource(s) I have run out of. The most common error (RMS-F-CHN) is a bit unspecific... *The queue entries stay in the queue looking like this: Entry: 8, Origin: [SMTP] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 3053 bytes Created: 24-MAY-1995 16:09:52.87, expires 23-JUN-1995 16:09:52.87 Last modified 24-MAY-1995 16:40:10.26 LOCAL entry #1, status: READY, size: 3053 bytes, waiting for retry until 24-MAY-1995 17:10:11.85 Created: 24-MAY-1995 16:40:09.03, expires 23-JUN-1995 16:09:52.87 Last modified 24-MAY-1995 16:40:11.90 Recipient #1: FOO, Route=e.kth.se Error count=1 Last error: %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output *Postmaster gets error reports that look like this: Error-For: systemgruppen@e.kth.se Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: Error in auto-forward from username SYSTEMGRUPPEN to: assign channel system service request failed Error-End: 1 error detected *Defining MX_LOCAL_DEBUG gives log files like this: 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.19 Processing queue entry number 49 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.27 Checking local name: HANST 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.35 LOCAL_USER: User HANST definitely local. 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.35 This is a regular delivery. 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.40 DELIVER: mime_headers = 0 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.40 DELIVER: fdlstr = "" 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.40 DELIVER: Using MX%"trefas93_29@ekc.kth.se" as VMS MAIL From address. 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.41 DELIVER: Using MX%"hanst@e.kth.se" as VMS MAIL To address. 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.41 DELIVER: Using as VMS MAIL CC address. 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.41 DELIVER: Using "test av footer" as subject. 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.42 DELIVER: Delivering to HANST 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.45 DELIVER: Status=007E81FA from MAIL$ routines 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.45 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. 24-MAY-1995 16:50:16.59 Setting up for retry at 24-MAY-1995 17:20:16.59 *or like this: 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.66 Processing queue entry number 8 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.73 Checking local name: JBERGMAN 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.78 LOCAL_USER: Found fwdg address MX%"jbergman@elixir.e.kth.se" (VMS) = (MX) 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.78 Forwarding to: 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.78 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Normal forward - including Resent hdrs. 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.78 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Resent-From=JBERGMAN (VMS), (MX) 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.86 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding queue entry number=11 24-MAY-1995 15:44:37.97 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding to: 24-MAY-1995 15:44:38.52 Checking local name: E92_PBL 24-MAY-1995 15:44:38.58 LOCAL_USER: Non-MX fwdg address ELIXIR::E92_PBL; treat as local. 24-MAY-1995 15:44:38.59 This is a regular delivery. 24-MAY-1995 15:44:38.59 DELIVER: Status=0001C0EC on attempt to create temp file. 24-MAY-1995 15:44:38.74 All done with this entry. *There is also a lot of empty LCL_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx.TMP files in MX_LOCAL_DIR *Enabling audit alarms for file and device access failures show nothing special. *Shutting down the agent and restarting it usually works for a while. Any ideas appreciated. Stellan --- .. --- Stellan Lagerstrom, VMS system manager, School of E.E. --- Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden --- "My signature is worth the paper it isn't written on" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 08:03:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Message-ID: <1995May29.111430.16965@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: 29 May 95 11:14:30 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995May25.100919.16721@zippy.dct.ac.uk>, I wrote: > as SMTP%"user@node" rather than assume DECNET node::user. Can you > do this with the official 6.2 Mail? I hope I don't assume from the lack of reply that there will be no way to make user@node use SMTP? I really don't want to have to try and explain to my users why when mailing a host within our domain they must use the fqdn. They will, without fail, attempt to use To: user@ibmrisc and get upset by an error such as: %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node IBMRISC -SYSTEM-F-IVNODNAM, invalid node name -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (01382) 308810 Int +44 1382 308810 ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:26:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:25:52 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00991147.CDC821FB.17@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes: > >In article <1995May25.100919.16721@zippy.dct.ac.uk>, I wrote: > >> as SMTP%"user@node" rather than assume DECNET node::user. Can you >> do this with the official 6.2 Mail? > >I hope I don't assume from the lack of reply that there will be no >way to make user@node use SMTP? > >I really don't want to have to try and explain to my users why >when mailing a host within our domain they must use the fqdn. > I don't have the docs handy, but I'm pretty sure you can't change the behavior---they will have to learn to use the FQDN. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:13:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:09:16 CST From: "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Message-ID: <009911FD.E2F2EE6D.3@tis.aecc.com> Subject: RE: LOCAL delivery problems - MAIL$ returns (RMS) errors > *The LOCAL delivery agent running on my DEC3000-400 (VMS 6.1, MX 3.2) > keeps failing to deliver. The LOCAL agent on a VAX in the same > cluster have no problems. This makes me suspect my system parameters etc., > but I just don't seem to be able to nail down which resource(s) > I have run out of. The most common error (RMS-F-CHN) is a bit unspecific... > Error-Text: Error in auto-forward from username SYSTEMGRUPPEN to: > > assign channel system service request failed > Error-End: 1 error detected Try raising your CHANNELCNT SYSGEN parameter. Last time I saw that error (from another application), it was because I did not have enough channels allocated system-wide. Good luck, RHM +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:33:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Message-ID: <1995May30.170500.367@tachyon.com> From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Date: 30 May 95 17:05:00 CST Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995May30.135621.20361@montagar>, davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes: > In article <00991147.CDC821FB.17@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: >> ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes: >>>I really don't want to have to try and explain to my users why >>>when mailing a host within our domain they must use the fqdn. >>> >> I don't have the docs handy, but I'm pretty sure you can't change the >> behavior---they will have to learn to use the FQDN. > > I just tried this from a T6.2 system, and sending to user@host it > complains about not finding the SMTP transport. So it's built-in finally! > > Of course, I want it to use MX... > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > David L. Cathey |Inet: davidc@montagar.com > Montagar Software Concepts |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc > P. O. Box 260776 |Fone: (214)-578-5036 This was covered earlier in the thread. $ define/sys mail$internet_transport mx -- ======================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting |wayne@tachyon.com >>mail to pgpkey@tachyon.com for pgp key |(214)-553-9760 Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B ======================================================================== Butler:"Gentlemen!" Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:08:05 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Message-ID: <1995May30.135621.20361@montagar> Date: 30 May 95 13:56:21 CDT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00991147.CDC821FB.17@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: > ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes: >>I really don't want to have to try and explain to my users why >>when mailing a host within our domain they must use the fqdn. >> > I don't have the docs handy, but I'm pretty sure you can't change the > behavior---they will have to learn to use the FQDN. I just tried this from a T6.2 system, and sending to user@host it complains about not finding the SMTP transport. So it's built-in finally! Of course, I want it to use MX... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David L. Cathey |Inet: davidc@montagar.com Montagar Software Concepts |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc P. O. Box 260776 |Fone: (214)-578-5036 Plano TX 75026-0772 |http://www.montagar.com/~davidc/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 04:20:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Message-ID: <1995May31.100437.17123@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: 31 May 95 10:04:37 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00991147.CDC821FB.17@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: > ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes: >> >>I really don't want to have to try and explain to my users why >>when mailing a host within our domain they must use the fqdn. >> > I don't have the docs handy, but I'm pretty sure you can't change the > behavior---they will have to learn to use the FQDN. Oh well. I suppose I should still be pleased DEC have implemented it. Just a pity they've managed to make it less flexible than the original patch. I predict that this will draw a lot of requests to change this behaviour once people turn it on -- especially in environments where there is very little DECNET. Hmm, anyone verified that the 6.1 patched mailshr will run with 6.2? -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (01382) 308810 Int +44 1382 308810 ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:24:54 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: poling@eisner.decus.org (JIM POLING) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX4.0 hanging on outbound mail. Message-ID: <1995May31.093440.10096@eisner> Date: 31 May 95 09:34:40 -0400 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I'm running Multinet 3.4A and MX4.0 on VMS 5.5 After recently installing the latest version of Multinet, I've noticed my outboud mail has been hanging. The inbound comes in ok, but the outbound is stopped. When I do a queue/show, it says that the entries are IN PROGRESS but nothing is moving. If I do a shutdown, all of the mx processes will go away except for MX SMTP. I wait a while, and it still hasn't gone away, so I stop the process, and startup MX again, and everything is ok for a while. And then the whole thing starts up again. Any help would be appreciated. -JIM POLING JIM@WVLINK.MPL.COM HTTP://WVLINK.MPL.COM/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:39:36 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 22:36:01 +0200 From: "GWDGV1::MOELLER" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: VMS MAILSHR Patch Hunter Goatley wrote in a preview of VMS V6.2 MAIL ... > To specify some transport besides SMTP%, simply: > > $ define/sys/exec mail$internet_transport mx > > That's it. [...] Any hope for us people requiring NODE::"u@h.d" ? (*) NEWSreaders, MOSAIC, etc. never had problems with this notation ... (*) It's a pity that (undocumented) $ define MAIL$PROTOCOL_SMTP "%NODE::""27=""" has some unobvious restrictions, e.g. /CC won't work ... Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 2011516 or -510, moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany PSI%(0262)45050859008::MOELLER Disclaimer: No claim intended! | moeller@decus.decus.de w.moeller@ieee.org