Archive-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 00:08:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 00:08:07 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00992ACF.356D9020.141@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Posting statistics for list MX-LIST during June 1995 Total number of posts: 64 Total number of posters: 40 Total number of subscribers: 254 Total number of digest subscribers: 54 Last modified: 7-JUL-1994 10:04 (Updated version info) Welcome to MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. MX-List postings are also available in a daily digest format. To subscribe to the digest, send the following command in the body of a mail message to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SUBSCRIBE MX-List-Digest "Your real name here" The MX-List archives are maintained at ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To get a copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message with the body SEND MX-List.yyyy-mm to ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, where "yyyy" is the year and "mm" is the numeric representation of the month. For example, the message SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992. MX itself is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu in [.MX.MX041]. You can also get it via e-mail by sending the commands SEND MX and SEND FILESERV_TOOLS on separate lines in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To remove yourself from the mailing list, send the following command to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SIGNOFF MX-List MXserver supports a few other commands for your convenience. The following commands can be handled automatically by the list processor: SIGNOFF MX-List - to remove yourself from the list REVIEW MX-List - to get a list of subscribers QUERY MX-List - to get the status of your entry on the list SET MX-List NOMAIL - to remain on the list but not receive mail SET MX-List MAIL - to resume receiving mail from the list SET MX-List CONCEAL - to not report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List NOCONCEAL - to report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List REPRO - to receive posts you make to MX-List SET MX-List NOREPRO - to not receive posts you make to MX-List LIST - to get a list of mailing lists served by WKUVX1 HELP - to receive a help file By default, subscriptions are set to MAIL, REPRO, NOCONCEAL. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, VAX Systems Programmer goathunter@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Western Kentucky University Academic Computing, STH 226 (502) 745-5251 Bowling Green, KY 42101 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 22:38:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Subject: MX mail host sending through gateway Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 03:26:58 GMT Message-ID: <00992C42.A4E260A6@sacto.mp.usbr.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, All. I'm helping a site climb on the Internet. Unfortunately, their management has bought into the unix paranioa concerning firewalls and such. I have rigged the DNS (CMU 6.6-5A and Bruce Orchard's DOMAIN package) to see the remote MX or A records through the firewall (acutally using the crippled DNS on the firewall...) but MX can't seem to get it through it's head that it can't reach the net. Putting in a path command like: MCP> DEFINE PATH *.gov SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org works of course, but it would be a real pain to have to put in a record like this for each top-level domain. The more general: MCP> DEFINE PATH * SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org does not produce the desired result, as neither does setting the SMTP default router, which of course is only supposed to effect DNS failure routings, but I figured, what the hell... Has anyone had an experience for a more general way of forcing routing of non-local mail exclusively through a gateway/firewall? (Running MX 4.1, BTW...) Best, -HWM ---------- Henry W. Miller Assistant Systems and Network Manager U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Mid Pacific Region 2800 Cottage Way MP1130 Sacramento, CA 95825 (916) 979-2373 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 05:31:16 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 10:50:10 GMT From: paul@ccastat.demon.co.uk Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: paul@ccastat.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <00992CBB.3B710720.12@ccastat.demon.co.uk> Subject: RE: MX V4.1 & Missing Logical >>paul@cca.ccagroup.co.uk writes: >> >>We've been having real problems with the SMTP agent [snip]... >>...traced the problem to a missing logical, MX_INET_HOST. >goathunter@ALPHA.WKU.EDU replied >You're using UCX right? The problem is that you are missing one of >the UCX logicals: UCX$INET_HOST or UCX$INET_DOMAIN. If UCX is not >configured just so, one or both of those isn't defined and MX (NETLIB >actually) can't return the host name. >MX_INET_HOST is an undocumented logical, but it does serve to override >asking NETLIB to retrieve the host name. We're using CMU-IP V6.6 with MX V4.2. However, in the same cluster we have another node which is running UCX V3.1. We run CMU-IP because UCX couldn't handle dial-up SLIP. Does MX make any assumptions about the IP based on the images it finds on the system disk? Paul Bailey System Manager CCA Stationery Ltd E-Mail: paul@ccagroup.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 06:38:36 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 13:30:05 EDT From: Roadkill on the Information Superhighway Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00992CD1.92835D40.7@urlaub.fkt.icdc.fr> Subject: RE: MX mail host sending through gateway >MCP> DEFINE PATH *.gov SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org > > works of course, but it would be a real pain to have to put in a >record like this for each top-level domain. The more general: > >MCP> DEFINE PATH * SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org > > does not produce the desired result, as neither does setting the >SMTP default router, which of course is only supposed to effect DNS >failure routings, but I figured, what the hell... > > Has anyone had an experience for a more general way of forcing >routing of non-local mail exclusively through a gateway/firewall? >(Running MX 4.1, BTW...) Best, > I'm doing just that. My setup is as follows: Internet <-> Madiran <-> Ferien <-> Urlaub Internet == The complete Net Madiran == My Gateway to the net (Some Sun Machine) Ferien == My E-Mail Router (VS3100-76 VMS5.5-2 MX4.1) Urlaub == The VAXstation on my desk (VS400-60 VMS5.5-2 MX4.1) CONFIG.MCP from ferien DEFINE PATH "ferien.fkt.icdc.fr" Local DEFINE PATH "[158.156.160.213]" Local DEFINE PATH "fkt.icdc.fr" Local DEFINE PATH "ferien" Local DEFINE PATH "*.fkt.icdc.fr" SMTP DEFINE PATH "*" SMTP /ROUTE="madiran.icdc.fr" CONFIG.MCP from urlaub DEFINE PATH "158.156.160.216" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "urlaub" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "urlaub.fkt.icdc.fr" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "edv.fkt.icdc.fr" LOCAL ! NOTE: The next path definition should always be LAST. DEFINE PATH * SMTP /ROUTE="ferien.fkt.icdc.fr" Madiran has - an MX-Record for: *.fkt.icdc.fr madiran.icdc.fr - an A-Record for: ferien.icdc.fr 158.156.160.216 (that's node ferien) - sendmail configured to send *.fkt.icdc.fr to ferien.icdc.fr I did have my end up and running within two hours (including installation time of MX). The SUN-managers had a little more trouble Regards, Ralph Kloess ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 06:43:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 13:41:24 +0200 From: "Rok Vidmar, NUK Ljubljana" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00992CD3.27154F94.3@nuk.uni-lj.si> Subject: RE: MX mail host sending through gateway > Hi, All. I'm helping a site climb on the Internet. > Unfortunately, their management has bought into the unix paranioa > concerning firewalls and such. > > I have rigged the DNS (CMU 6.6-5A and Bruce Orchard's DOMAIN > package) to see the remote MX or A records through the firewall > (acutally using the crippled DNS on the firewall...) but MX can't seem > to get it through it's head that it can't reach the net. Putting in a > path command like: > > > MCP> DEFINE PATH *.gov SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org > > works of course, but it would be a real pain to have to put in a > record like this for each top-level domain. The more general: > > MCP> DEFINE PATH * SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org > > does not produce the desired result, as neither does setting the > SMTP default router, which of course is only supposed to effect DNS > failure routings, but I figured, what the hell... Just delete the general DEFINE PATH * SMTP > Has anyone had an experience for a more general way of forcing > routing of non-local mail exclusively through a gateway/firewall? > (Running MX 4.1, BTW...) Best, > > -HWM > ---------- > Henry W. Miller > Assistant Systems and Network Manager > U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Mid Pacific Region > 2800 Cottage Way MP1130 > Sacramento, CA 95825 (916) 979-2373 Regards, Rok Vidmar Internet: rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si National and University Library Phone: +386 61 125 4218 Turjaska 1, 61000 Ljubljana Fax: +386 61 125 5007 Slovenia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 09:59:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 10:57:49 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00992CBC.4CF48F20.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: MX mail host sending through gateway > The more general: > MCP> DEFINE PATH * SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org > does not produce the desired result Well... what does it produce? MX has beautiful debugging facilities. All mail you originate is either sent somewhere, or nowhere. Would you offer some examples? (I presume that you deleted the old DEFINE PATH * statement, that you reset the router, and that used MCP SHOW PATH command to verify that things are configured as you think they are.) - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 10:07:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 11:05:32 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: paul@ccastat.demon.co.uk, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00992CBD.60F15480.3@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: MX V4.1 & Missing Logical >>> We've been having real problems with the SMTP agent [snip]... >>> ...traced the problem to a missing logical, MX_INET_HOST. >> You're using UCX right? The problem is that you are missing one of >> the UCX logicals: UCX$INET_HOST or UCX$INET_DOMAIN. If UCX is not >> configured just so, one or both of those isn't defined and MX (NETLIB >> actually) can't return the host name. >> MX_INET_HOST is an undocumented logical, but it does serve to override >> asking NETLIB to retrieve the host name. > We're using CMU-IP V6.6 with MX V4.2. However, in the same cluster we > have another node which is running UCX V3.1. We run CMU-IP because UCX > couldn't handle dial-up SLIP. Does MX make any assumptions about the > IP based on the images it finds on the system disk? You probably forgot to define/uncomment the INTERNET_HOST_NAME logical in SYS$MANAGER:IP_STARTUP.COM - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 21:59:07 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Subject: RE: MX mail host sending through gateway Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 02:43:22 GMT Message-ID: <00992D05.B82E5E76@sacto.mp.usbr.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00992CBC.4CF48F20.1@garnet.nist.gov>, "Jonathan E. Hardis" writes: >> The more general: >> MCP> DEFINE PATH * SMTP/route=gw.xxx.org >> does not produce the desired result > >Well... what does it produce? > Invalid media address... >MX has beautiful debugging facilities. All mail you originate is either >sent somewhere, or nowhere. Would you offer some examples? > >(I presume that you deleted the old DEFINE PATH * statement, that you >reset the router, and that used MCP SHOW PATH command to verify that >things are configured as you think they are.) > Hmm, I did not remove the original default path, but I presumed that since the new path was before it in the list that... > - Jonathan -HWM ---------- Henry W. Miller Assistant Systems and Network Manager U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Mid Pacific Region 2800 Cottage Way MP1130 Sacramento, CA 95825 (916) 979-2373 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 09:24:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 16:35:38 -0100 To: From: Robertini@sns.it (Marco Robertini) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: SMTP agent dies With this address pascale.jablonka@daec.obspm.fr SMTP agent dies. We have MX 4.1 on VMS 5.5-2 with UCX 2.0 and MX4.1 on OpenVMS V6.1 with UCX3.2 This is the log of sending for both machines: 4-JUL-1995 15:53:16.84 Processing queue entry number 11 on node VAXSNS 4-JUL-1995 15:53:17.16 Recipient: , route=daec.obspm.fr 4-JUL-1995 15:53:17.16 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name daec.obspm.fr Here the VMS log: %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=7FF5259E, PC=0004CDBA, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 0004CDBA 0004CDBA 0004CE3C 0004CE3C 0004C92A 0004C92A 0004BAF4 0004BAF4 00022DB9 00022DB9 SMTP_OUT SMTP_SEND 206 000000F3 000040E3 PROCESS PROCESS 342 0000040F 0000340F MX_SMTP MX_SMTP 32 000003C6 00002426 and here OpenVMS log: %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=7FA5D8E0, PC ` =0017D228, PS=0000001B %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows Image Name Module Name Routine Name Line Number rel PC abs PC NETLIB_UCX_S NETLIB_MXLOOK NAME_UNPACK 936 00003218 0017D228 NETLIB_UCX_S NETLIB_MXLOOK NAME_UNPACK 963 000033E0 0017D3F0 NETLIB_UCX_S NETLIB_MXLOOK DNS_MXLOOK_TRY 783 000025F4 0017C604 NETLIB_UCX_S NETLIB_MXLOOK DNS_MXLOOK 336 000002DC 0017A2EC NETLIB_SHRXF BLI$CALLG BLI$CALLG 9177 000000BC 000A5E94 NETLIB_SHRXF NETLIB_SHRXFR DNS_MXLOOK 83 00001DA4 000A5DB4 MX_SMTP SMTP_OUT SMTP_SEND 208 0000021C 000350CC MX_SMTP PROCESS PROCESS 347 00000C48 00033298 MX_SMTP MX_SMTP MX_SMTP 32 0000199C 0003199C 0 8465DA50 8465DA50 Hope this useful! Best regards to all Marco Robertini Responsabile rete Scuola Normale Superiore +39 50 509268 Robertini@sns.it ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 21:29:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 21:26:52 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <00992DDD.585C59C0.1@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: archiving multiple lists I got information for archives@wkuvx1.wku.edu I assuming that the archives can support multiple lists because the files are in separate directories off [archives...], but how can you limit each of these mailing lists to subscribers only? the /archive switch doesn't allow for multiple mailing lists for a single file server, or do I have to create a unique file server for each list I want to limit to subscribers? Thanks for your help. Joe -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 07:43:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 07:43:30 -0500 To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu From: stacks Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: MX mail host sending through gateway > [snip] >> >>(I presume that you deleted the old DEFINE PATH * statement, that you >>reset the router, and that used MCP SHOW PATH command to verify that >>things are configured as you think they are.) >> > > Hmm, I did not remove the original default path, but I presumed >that since the new path was before it in the list that... > Not necessarily... If you did not remove the path and the original path was defined *before* you defined the new '*' path then the old path *may* still be taking priority over the new one. Suggest you delete the old path and try again... -- Rick -- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 voice: 501-570-2174 fax: 501-562-4632 email: stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 13:36:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 14:34:08 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00992E6C.DA22F4C0.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: MX mail host sending through gateway >> Well... what does it produce? > Invalid media address... Clue: That's the error message I get when the domain name resolver (NAMRES) goes down. I've seen this happen when MX processes a message sent to a mailing list. The solution is to restart NAMRES: $ IPNCP NAMRES EXIT $ IPNCP STARTUP/NAMRES - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 21:05:06 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: My queue is not purging Date: 6 Jul 1995 01:57:38 GMT Message-ID: <3tffui$o3o@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MX 4.1 on VAX 4300 VMS 5.4.3: My queue just grows. I can purge it by hand with QUEUE PURGE. My queue stat %used jumped from the usual 3% to 30%. MX was upgraded from 3.n about three months ago. No changes in the interim. Funcitoned fine until now. How should I proceed to troubleshoot this situation? Harrington ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 00:44:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 15:41:42 +1000 From: Powell HEUER Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: powell@syd.dwt.csiro.au Message-ID: <00992F3F.74F6B220.7@syd.dwt.CSIRO.AU> Subject: RESET/CLUSTER LOCAL seems ineffective after changes to HEADER settings I recently modified the HEADER settings on the LOCAL agent. I then did a RESET/CLUSTER LOCAL and found that, though the changes were there from a SHOW LOCAL, they didn't seem to be in effect when I sent a test message. I shutdown and restarted MX on one node that runs MX agents and found that messages delivered via that node now reflected the new setting. I had to restart MX on the other node running LOCAL for the new settings to take effect there. I run MX V4.1 VAX on VAX/VMS V6.0 over UCX V2.0D. I have a LAVC with a number of workstations and two nodes that run a single instance each of ROUTER, SMTP, SMTP Server & LOCAL and one MLF on only on node. Am I doing something wrong? or is this a minor bug? Regards Powell Heuer --------------------------------------------------------------------- Powell Heuer E-Mail: P.Heuer@syd.dwt.csiro.au CSIRO Division of Wool Technology Phone : +61 2 809 9444 PO Box 7 Fax : +61 2 809 9476 Ryde NSW 2112 AUSTRALIA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 01:41:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 08:39:01 EDT From: "Mario Meyer, Phys.-Techn. Bundesanstalt" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00992F04.68A2BA40.3@ChbRB.Berlin.PTB.De> Subject: RE: RESET/CLUSTER LOCAL seems ineffective after changes to HEADER settings Powell Heuer asked > I recently modified the HEADER settings on the LOCAL agent. I then did a > RESET/CLUSTER LOCAL and found that, though the changes were there from a SHOW > LOCAL, they didn't seem to be in effect when I sent a test message. I shutdown > and restarted MX on one node that runs MX agents and found that messages > delivered via that node now reflected the new setting. I had to restart MX on > the other node running LOCAL for the new settings to take effect there. As far as I understand the RESET command forces a process to read the config. file. Since Modifications are not written to the file immediately, You have to MCP SAVE before RESET. (Save is done automatically when You exit from MCP.) Regards Mario Meyer --,------------------------------------------------------.------------------ | Mario Meyer Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt | . , | ............. Institut Berlin Referat IB.TI | _QQ__ | : wide area : Abbestr. 2-12, D - 10587 Berlin | __( U, )__ | : networker : tel. (+49 30) 3481 442, fax. ... 490 | /// `---' \\\ | SMTP MMeyer@ChbRB.Berlin.PTB.De, BITNET MMeyer@PTBIB | /||\ /||\ --| X.400 S=Meyer; OU=IB-TI; O=PTB; P=PTB; A=d400; C=DE |------------------ `------------------------------------------------------' ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 14:38:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 14:36:42 CST From: Norma Riddle Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: riddle@VENUS.TWU.EDU Message-ID: <00992F36.6061EC20.50@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Subject: Restrict a user to local mail only? Hello all... Is there any way to restrict a particular vms account to using local mail only? We are running MX 4.1, VAX/VMS 6.0, and MULTINET 3.3C04. Any ideas appreciated! Norma Riddle Programmer/Analyst Texas Woman's University Denton TX 76204 (817) 898-3288 riddle@twu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 17:02:59 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 17:04:53 CST From: Patrick Beeson Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: beeson@uamont.edu Message-ID: <00992F4B.13BD9FB7.54@uamont.edu> Subject: RE: Restrict a user to local mail only? >Is there any way to restrict a particular vms account to using local >mail only? We take away the NETMBX priv. from our "restricted" accounts. They can send mail locally, but nowhere else. Patrick beeson@uamont.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 18:13:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hunt@blade.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX and apostrophes Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 10:57:57 +1200 Message-ID: <3thpoj$1qm@golem.wcc.govt.nz> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Recently, I posted a message about MX seemingly objecting to apostrophes in email addresses. Although I got a couple of responses, none of them really explained why it was happening. Since then, I have taken up the problem with the owner of the list which was being posted to, and he has been in touch with the user in question. The first reaction from the list-owner, and the recipient of the message was that the apostrophe was causing problems. The responses from people on this group were not so certain. So I ask again, is there a problem with apostrophes, and can it be fixed? This is part of the response from the message originator, which was forwarded by the list owner: !The basic problem is not (according to RFC 822 which defines the basic !addressing format) the apostrophe in my address; it is 'broken' mailers !which do !not allow for the fact that apostrophe's are not just string delimiters :^( !(this causes parsing errors on a few UNIX-based mail systems). ! !The real problem is with the complainer's mail system, and they would be !advised, for their own good given the rise of nameservers, to fix it. What !will !these systems do when unicode et al is more generally available and Central !Europeans demand that their names are spelt correctly? ! !Sorry if this sounds like someone on a soapbox; the reason for that is !that I am !on one! This is a well worn theme which generally ends up with the offending !mail system getting fixed. ! !I'll have a look at what I can do in this case, but it is hard to justify !action !at our end to fix someone else's problems especially when that will propagate !the error and, potentially, cause problems in the long run. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin D. Hunt This space contains nothing important Systems Administrator because I can't think of what to put. Wellington City Council hunt@wcc.govt.nz ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 20:05:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 11:02:22 +1000 From: Powell HEUER Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: powell@syd.dwt.csiro.au, MMeyer@ChbRB.Berlin.PTB.De Message-ID: <00992FE1.994DF320.2@syd.dwt.CSIRO.AU> Subject: Re: RESET/CLUSTER LOCAL seems ineffective after changes to HEADER Mario Meyer wrote: >As far as I understand the RESET command forces a process to read the config. >file. Since Modifications are not written to the file immediately, You have to >MCP SAVE before RESET. Thanks Mario. This would explain my problem. I was doing the RESET straight after the SET command and before I did the SAVE (on exit from MCP). Thanks again, Powell Heuer --------------------------------------------------------------------- Powell Heuer E-Mail: P.Heuer@syd.dwt.csiro.au CSIRO Division of Wool Technology Phone : +61 2 809 9444 PO Box 7 Fax : +61 2 809 9476 Ryde NSW 2112 AUSTRALIA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 20:43:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 20:41:04 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00992F69.46AF7F7C.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Upgrading UCX Folks I'm planning to upgrade UCX to 3.3 (the latest) but I'm mighty fuzzy about the implications ... 1. Does MX have to be re-installed? 2. What about NETLIB? 3. MGFTP? 4. And other IP-related packages, like (Penn State) FINGER, POP3, and LYNX. I know the last question is a little unfair, but I've come to realize that you folks are very knowledgeable about such things. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 05:12:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading UCX Message-ID: <1995Jul7.105431.18724@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: 7 Jul 95 10:54:31 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00992F69.46AF7F7C.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu>, Dave Miller writes: > Folks > > I'm planning to upgrade UCX to 3.3 (the latest) but I'm mighty fuzzy about the > implications ... > > 1. Does MX have to be re-installed? No. > 2. What about NETLIB? No. > 3. MGFTP? No. > 4. And other IP-related packages, like (Penn State) FINGER, POP3, and LYNX. No. Well I haven't tested them all but barring bugs upwards compatability should be maintained. One warning though: If you are upgrading to UCX 3.3 from the OpenVMS 6.2 binaries and documentation disks be aware that although the software itself is 3.3 the documentation is for 3.2. Unless you habitually read the "Title Page" in bookreader you don't notice this immediately. -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (01382) 308810 Int +44 1382 308810 ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 09:25:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Subject: Re: Upgrading UCX Message-ID: <1995Jul7.090848.1@tachyon.com> Date: 7 Jul 95 09:08:48 CST Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00992F69.46AF7F7C.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu>, Dave Miller writes: > Folks > > I'm planning to upgrade UCX to 3.3 (the latest) but I'm mighty fuzzy about the > implications ... > > 1. Does MX have to be re-installed? > 2. What about NETLIB? > 3. MGFTP? Since MX and MGFTP both sit on top of netlib, they automatically pick up any changes to netlib. netlib itself would only have to change if the *interface* to ucx changes, i.e. the qio calls. netlib doesn't care about the internals of ucx. At most, you should only have to restart netlib and the packages that use it, to pick up the latest version of the shareable images. > 4. And other IP-related packages, like (Penn State) FINGER, POP3, and LYNX. You *shouldn't* have to do anything. Again, this assumes the interface to ucx hasn't changed and that the product doesn't depend on the internals in some way. If you switch to Madgoat Finger, you would have yet another product riding on netlib. If a real tcp/ip ever became available to you, all of that stuff would switch over automatically. You would at least have to recompile most other packages that use tcp/ip. Wayne -- ======================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting wayne@tachyon.com http://www.tachyon.com/www/wayne.html (214)-553-9760 finger for pgp key Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B ======================================================================== Curly:"Burnt toast for me. I got a tapeworm and it's good enough for him." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 10:03:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: archiving multiple lists Date: 7 Jul 1995 00:23:08 GMT Message-ID: <3thupc$9d9@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00992DDD.585C59C0.1@whscdp.whs.edu>, kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu writes: #I got information for archives@wkuvx1.wku.edu # #I assuming that the archives can support multiple lists because the files are #in separate directories off [archives...], but how can you limit each of these #mailing lists to subscribers only? the /archive switch doesn't allow for #multiple mailing lists for a single file server, or do I have to create a #unique file server for each list I want to limit to subscribers? You need a separate fileserver for each mailing list. If you call the fileservers "listname-ARCHIVE", it should be easy enough for the subscribers to understand... -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 16:23:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: My queue is not purging Date: 7 Jul 1995 20:50:14 GMT Message-ID: <3tk6m6$h8p@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <3tffui$o3o@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) writes: #MX 4.1 on VAX 4300 VMS 5.4.3: My queue just grows. I can purge it by hand #with QUEUE PURGE. My queue stat %used jumped from the usual 3% to 30%. MX was #upgraded from 3.n about three months ago. No changes in the interim. #Funcitoned fine until now. How should I proceed to troubleshoot this #situation? Enable debugging for the FLQ process, if you elected to have a separate FLQ process. If you don't have a separate FLQ process, enable debugging on your Router process, which does the FLQ purging in the abcense (?sp) of the FLQ process. -dan -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 16:23:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Restrict a user to local mail only? Date: 7 Jul 1995 20:52:03 GMT Message-ID: <3tk6pj$h8p@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00992F36.6061EC20.50@VENUS.TWU.EDU>, Norma Riddle writes: #Is there any way to restrict a particular vms account to using local #mail only? # #We are running MX 4.1, VAX/VMS 6.0, and MULTINET 3.3C04. To prevent them from sending outgoing MX mail: $ SET ACL/ACL=(IDENTIFIER=username,ACCESS=NONE) MX_EXE:MX_MAILSHR.EXE -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 12:00:31 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 11:58:20 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <009930B2.9568A328.20@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Re: UCX 3.3 Folks: Many thanks to all of you that responded. The UCX 3.3 upgrade was indeed painless and went smoothly. FYI, I was under the mistaken impression that IP-related applications linked to the UCX shared library. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:21:37 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:18:58 CST From: Norma Riddle Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: riddle@VENUS.TWU.EDU Message-ID: <00993237.0882A4A0.17@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Subject: Re: Restrict a user to local mail only? > >In article <00992F36.6061EC20.50@VENUS.TWU.EDU>, Norma Riddle writes: >#Is there any way to restrict a particular vms account to using local >#mail only? ># >#We are running MX 4.1, VAX/VMS 6.0, and MULTINET 3.3C04. > >To prevent them from sending outgoing MX mail: > > $ SET ACL/ACL=(IDENTIFIER=username,ACCESS=NONE) MX_EXE:MX_MAILSHR.EXE Thank you, Dan. This will solve my problem nicely. And thanks to all who answered... Norma Riddle riddle@twu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:49:18 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:48:59 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099333F.109225E0.3@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: Faq need Could anybody refer me to some FAq type document: I am trying to understand the relation between MX, Netlib and UCX on VAX/VMS. TIA /\ 0 Kamrul Ahsan /\ // \ /\ York College, CUNY /// \////// \/ \\\ Jamaica, NY 11451 / //// \ \\_____ Voice 718-262-2754 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Internet: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Bitnet: Kamyc@cunyvm ***************************************************************** I thank God for Internet ***************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 20:29:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:27:48 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0099335D.A2830140.11@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Faq need > Could anybody refer me to some FAq type document: I am trying to > understand the relation between MX, Netlib and UCX on VAX/VMS. There is no Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) compilation for MX, since the documentation for the program itself serves that role. Let's presume that your VAX is connected to an Ethernet. On the Ethernet cable, there are basic rules (protocols) that must be followed for orderly communication among all the computers (nodes) on that cable. There are additional collections of protocols that are needed to actually get useful things done. One such collection of protocols is called DECNet. DECNet software follows a set of DECNet rules, which must also follow Ethernet rules in order to use the Ethernet cable. Another such collection of protocols is called IP. IP software follows a set of IP rules, which must also follow Ethernet rules in order to use the Ethernet cable. Among the Ethernet rules is a mechanism that keeps the DECNet data and the IP data separate (distinguish- able) so that the Ethernet cable can be used for both, more-or-less at the same time. The VMS operating system has the DECNet software built-in. If you want IP software, you have to add it separately. UCX is one of many software packages that adds IP capability to the VAX. MX may require IP networking software to work. Within the IP protocol stack, there is a widely used method for sending EMail, called SMTP. MX has an implementation of that. MX uses lower-level (more basic) IP protocols. The difficulty arises in that the different software packages that add IP capability to the VAX do it in different ways. Must all programs that use IP networking software (such as MX) be programmed for all these different ways? No. Netlib is a subroutine library that provides a standard API (applica- tion programming interface). The program, MX, is coded to use Netlib subroutines. Then, a version of Netlib specific to the IP software on a particular machine is also installed on that machine. There's also an issue in that the IP software must be shared by any process that wants to use it. Netlib provides a means of doing that because it is separate from all the applications. (I don't understand enough about VMS programming to understand this fully, but Netlib exists as its own .EXE file. Perhaps someone would elaborate on this point.) - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 07:46:18 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:33:03 EDT From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu CC: mx-list@wku.edu Message-ID: <009933BA.914E6CE0.9@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Faq need Kamrul Ahsan (kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu) writes: > Could anybody refer me to some FAq type document: >I am trying to understand the relation between MX, Netlib and UCX >on VAX/VMS. There is no MX or NETLIB FAQs, because it would appear none are needed. The documentation for these products are well-written and clear and certainly answer any question that would be _frequently_ asked. Just my opinion. -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:18:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: coats@mardah1.brooks.af.mil (Chris J. Coats) Subject: Size limitation on SMTP mail? Date: 11 Jul 1995 13:34:37 GMT Message-ID: <3ttuld$8bd@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Howdy. I recently sent a large e-mail message (text) to another site, where they received a truncated form of the message, with an error message indicating that the 32K limit had been reached, and that the message had been truncated.(??!!) The person I spoke with on the other end wasn't part of the computer systems section, so I did'nt expect them to know what was going on. However, he relayed this situation to *his* systems-support folks, and they replied that this was a known limitation, and that the large message should be resent as an *attachment* to the message. Huh? Before I talk to their systems folks directly, is their any basis for this assertion that anyone out here knows about? Please illuminate me. Maybe I missed something new. Maybe I'm displaying my ignorance of SMTP mail. Maybe they're using a cheezy PC-based mail system and I'm going to have to learn to live with it. : ( I'm posting to this group because we normally use VMS mail and MX 4.1 as the e-mail system of choice. Thanks for any help. - Chris /* Chris J. Coats - System Manager Medical Information Systems - AL/AOELS Laboratory Services Branch, Brooks AFB, TX coats@hal.brooks.af.mil (210) 536-4618 */ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:18:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:18:07 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009933EA.C652E0D5.3@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Size limitation on SMTP mail? coats@mardah1.brooks.af.mil (Chris J. Coats) writes: > >I recently sent a large e-mail message (text) to another site, where they >received a truncated form of the message, with an error message indicating that >the 32K limit had been reached, and that the message had been truncated.(??!!) [...] > >Before I talk to their systems folks directly, is their any basis for this >assertion that anyone out here knows about? Please illuminate me. Maybe I >missed something new. Maybe I'm displaying my ignorance of SMTP mail. > >Maybe they're using a cheezy PC-based mail system and I'm going to have to >learn to live with it. : ( > That's my guess. MX imposes no size limits, and the RFCs for SMTP don't either, but some implementations do impose limits. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:50:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:47:57 MST From: kish@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009933E6.8F3ADAA7.43@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM> Subject: Sending mail from a command line using MX and MX alias Any one ahve some thought on this? I am trying to send SMTP mail from my vax in a command procedure. I have an alias set up for me "KK" $ mail test.txt MX%KK yields... X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: addr@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM Error-Code: 3 Error-Text: No such local user Error-End: 1 error detected MXalias> dir kk MX Alias Description ------------ ----------- KK KKISH@P02.AZ15M.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM Any one have a thought waht is going on here??? l _____________________________________________________________________________ NOTE NEW PHONE NUMBER! From: Karl Kish Voice (602)313-5627 Honeywell IAC FAX (602)313-3696 Email KISH@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM _____________________________________________________________________________ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:04:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: rod.haut@wisplan.uwex.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Queues not flushing Date: 12 Jul 1995 20:35:50 GMT Message-ID: <3u1bn6$199k@news.doit.wisc.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Howdy, Hope someone can help me out. Machine: Microvax 3800 OS: VMS 5.2 Mailer: MX 4.1 I experienced some disk problems last week and the mail delivery got queued up to several thousand entries. Now that things are back up and running properly, current mail is being delivered fine, but the old queued up mail from last week is still sitting. Status is [IN-PROGRESS]. If I ready an entry, it still sits. I lowered the flq_interval variable to 1 min. to try and get it to check the queue more often, but still no go. I also increased the threads from 4 to 8, but that didn't have any effect on the queued mail. Does anyone have any ideas on how to get the queued up mail going again? Thanks for your help. Rod Haut University of Wisconsin-Extension, Cooperative Extension, Wisplan rod.haut@ces.uwex.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:55:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:52:25 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: coats@hal.brooks.af.mil, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00993408.B6452D60.2@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Size limitation on SMTP mail? > I recently sent a large e-mail message (text) to another site, where they > received a truncated form of the message, with an error message > indicating that the 32K limit had been reached, and that the message had > been truncated.(??!!) I echo what Hunter said. However, RFC 1123 does speak to the maximum length of SMTP EMail messages: 5.3.8 Maximum Message Size Mailer software MUST be able to send and receive messages of at least 64K bytes in length (including header), and a much larger maximum size is highly desirable. DISCUSSION: Although SMTP does not define the maximum size of a message, many systems impose implementation limits. The current de facto minimum limit in the Internet is 64K bytes. However, electronic mail is used for a variety of purposes that create much larger messages. For example, mail is often used instead of FTP for transmitting ASCII files, and in particular to transmit entire documents. As a result, messages can be 1 megabyte or even larger. We note that the present document together with its lower- layer companion contains 0.5 megabytes. So, as a starting point, a 32 K limit seems brain-dead. Nevertheless, there is a significant class of computers for which 32 K is a practical limit: Macintoshes. As much as I like and use that product line, the commonly used EMail software on it (Eudora, Newswatcher, etc.) has a 32 K message length limit. That's because the text editing features built into the operating system are limited to 32 K, a throwback to the original way things were done on the 68000 CPU. It isn't so much that the message length is limited to 32 K, it's that the text window that shows the message is limited to 32 K. (I am not familiar enough with Windows to know if there is a comparable limit for those systems as well.) With Eudora, for example, you can add files (text files, binary files, whatever) to your message as "attachments." This is implemented using MIME. Basically, the body of the SMTP message contains delimiters that bracket and describe the files that are mixed in with the underlying EMail message. When mail with attachments is received by Eudora (or other MIME-complient mailer) at the other end, an attachment file is recreated as a separate file. This mechanism keeps the portion of the EMail message that must be shown in the screen window to under 32 K in length, even though the length of the SMTP message is well over 32 K. (When you get right down to it, in context this constraint is not that unreasonable.) - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:06:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: smj@jhk.com (Scott M. Jones) Subject: General e-mail help Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:44:47 GMT Message-ID: <3u1fof$r12@firehose.mindspring.com> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, I've taken on the job of e-mail administrator at our company and I'm trying to set up Internet mail for our many different environments, of which VMS has been by far the most intransigent. Some questions: 1. Our standard for non-CC:mail users here is to use POP (Post Office Protocol). Is there a POP client available for VMS that inter- operates with UCX and VMS Mail? 2. Assuming the answer to #1 above is "no", are there (many) known bugs in UCX 3.1's SMTP? I spent many hours yesterday evening trying every "set config smtp" command that looked reasonable, and the behavior was to say the least bizzare. Rather than go through the play-by-play, I'd like to know if people are having trouble with UCX 3.1 SMTP in general. And FWIW, I have to forward all e-mail to a firewall host before it can be sent out. 3. Not that I'm opposed to reading documentation, but could someone give me the "Cliff Notes" version of what MX is? I thought at first it just added services to the existing VMS Mail, but after reading this group, it appears that it's a replacement for SMTP from IP up to Mail. The documentation is well written but long and I'd like to know what I'm getting into before installing MX. I flipped through the User and Installation Guides, but perhaps there's a better overview document? (I'm having to do this mostly on evenings and weekends.) The target machine is running Alpha AXP VMS 6.2 with UCX 3.1. Thanks for any help you can provide. Scott Jones JHK and Assoc. smj@jhk.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:11:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:08:49 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: kish@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0099340B.00C622C0.5@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Sending mail from a command line using MX and MX alias > I am trying to send SMTP mail from my vax in a command procedure. I have an > alias set up for me "KK" > > $ mail test.txt MX%KK > > yields... > > Error-For: addr@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM > Error-Code: 3 > Error-Text: No such local user > > MXalias> dir kk > > MX Alias Description > ------------ ----------- > KK KKISH@P02.AZ15M.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM > > Any one have a thought what is going on here??? What's going on is that you are not being careful to define exactly what's not working. 1) Is the problem that this only happens in a command procedure? 2) Is the problem that the MX alias feature isn't doing what you expect? 3) Is the problem that all addresses work (in a command procedure, and using MXAlias) but this one? Based on your data, it would appear that either 1) Host "DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM" is an alias for host "P02.AZ15M.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM", and "KKISH" is not a user on it, or 2) "KKISH@P02.AZ15M.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM" is forwarding his mail to "addr@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM" and the forwarding address is wrong, or 3) Host "P02.AZ15M.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM" runs some sort of mail routing and distribution software on it, and the entry for "KKISH" is wrong. However, you will have to determine the correct answer after isolating the problem and (if necessary) contacting the Postmasters of the affected hosts. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:54:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:20:34 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: smj@jhk.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00993425.CA5A9A20.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: General e-mail help > I've taken on the job of e-mail administrator at our company and I'm > trying to set up Internet mail for our many different environments, > of which VMS has been by far the most intransigent. > > Some questions: > > 1. Our standard for non-CC:mail users here is to use POP (Post Office > Protocol). Is there a POP client available for VMS that inter- > operates with UCX and VMS Mail? I don't know. However, the "standard" POP3 client program for VMS is IUPOP3, from Indiana University (ftp://ftp.indiana.edu//pub/vms/iupop3). The documentation says that its supports UCX, but I don't know because I don't use UCX. IUPOP3 uses VMS's callable mail interface, which allows it access to the standard VMS Mail system. However, there is, or was, a widely reported memory leak (bug) in callable mail that would cause IUPOP3 to die after some amount of activity. (Note that all similar programs that use callable mail would have the same problem. This is a problem that DEC would have to fix, if they haven't already.) > 2. Assuming the answer to #1 above is "no", are there (many) known > bugs in UCX 3.1's SMTP? I spent many hours yesterday evening > trying every "set config smtp" command that looked reasonable, > and the behavior was to say the least bizzare. Rather than go > through the play-by-play, I'd like to know if people are having > trouble with UCX 3.1 SMTP in general. And FWIW, I have to > forward all e-mail to a firewall host before it can be sent out. I don't understand the linkage between these two questions. An SMTP server will be necessary to receive EMail. It should also include an SMTP client to send EMail that either originates on the VAX or which is sent to it by a PC-based mailer (such as Eudora) for forwarding. The POP client is just a means by which users can read their mail that has been received. > 3. Not that I'm opposed to reading documentation, but could someone > give me the "Cliff Notes" version of what MX is? I thought at > first it just added services to the existing VMS Mail, but after > reading this group, it appears that it's a replacement for SMTP > from IP up to Mail. The documentation is well written but long > and I'd like to know what I'm getting into before installing MX. > I flipped through the User and Installation Guides, but perhaps > there's a better overview document? (I'm having to do this > mostly on evenings and weekends.) [20-JUN-1994] Message Exchange V4.1 Message Exchange (MX) is electronic mail software for OpenVMS VAX systems running VMS V5.0 or later, including OpenVMS V6.0, and OpenVMS AXP systems running OpenVMS AXP V1.0 or later. It supports Internet mail over CMU-OpenVMS TCP/IP, VMS/ULTRIX Connection, TGV MultiNet, Process Software's TCPware, and Wollongong's WIN/TCP and PathWay; BITNET mail over Wingra's Jnet; and UUCP mail over DECUS UUCP. Also included is support for SMTP message transfers over DECnet and X.25 (using VAX P.S.I) and support for L-Soft International's LISTSERV software. MX uses VMS Mail for local message entry and delivery, and includes support for mailing lists and mail-based file servers. Features: * Users send and receive messages using VMS MAIL. Support for "signature" files is included in the VMS MAIL interface. Full support for automatic forwarding with the VMS MAIL SET FORWARD command is included. User-defined alias databases for e-mail addresses is supported. Binary files may be sent through MX to other VMS sites running MX, PMDF, or MultiNet. * Provides SMTP (RFC 821) message transfers over CMU-OpenVMS TCP/IP (aka CMU-Tek TCP/IP), DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (aka VMS/ULTRIX Connection), TGV MultiNet, TCPware from Process Software, and PathWay and WIN/TCP from Wollongong. Includes support for Internet domain system MX records. Also supports SMTP over DECnet and X.25 (using VAX P.S.I.). * Provides BSMTP message transfers with other BITNET mailers over Jnet, compatible with the CU Mailer package for VM systems. Fully supports BITNET-Internet gateways for non-Internet-connected systems. When combined with the SMTP support, can also provide a BITNET/Internet gateway service. * Interfaces with DECUS UUCP to provide a single mail interface to all mail protocols. Can also gateway between UUCP and other networks. (Not supported under OpenVMS AXP yet because DECUS UUCP has not been ported to AXP yet.) * Provides a mailing list processor with automatic subscription requests. Mailing lists can be configured to restrict postings only to subscribers or list owners, and to restrict the automatic subscription handling. Internet mailing list conventions and a subset of LISTSERV commands are supported. * Supports one or more file servers that can be set up by the system manager to handle automatic distribution of packages of files using mail as the distribution medium. Large transfers can be deferred to off-hours, and daily per-user, per-system, and/or per-server limits can be placed on each server. * Provides interfaces for a site-provided custom mail transport and custom address processing routines. * Provides its own message queueing subsystem. RMS block I/O is used to provide extremely fast queue access with little overhead. COPYRIGHT NOTICE This software is COPYRIGHT 1989-1992, RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Permission is granted to copy and redistribute this software for no commercial gain, providing all copyright notices remain intact. DISCLAIMER This software is provided "AS IS". The author and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute disclaim all warranties on the software, including without limitation, all implied warranties of merchantability and fitness. UNSOLICITED TESTIMONIAL It's a _wonderful_ package. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:35:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:33:40 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00993427.9E8CBBAC.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: General e-mail help > 1. Our standard for non-CC:mail users here is to use POP (Post Office > Protocol). Is there a POP client available for VMS that inter- > operates with UCX and VMS Mail? > POP3 is available at Indiana University (@indiana.edu). I don't have the exact addresses handy. If no one else comes up with it, I'll look harder. My Mac users are very happy with this .. although I must add I'm using it on a VAX. > 2. Assuming the answer to #1 above is "no", are there (many) known > bugs in UCX 3.1's SMTP? I spent many hours yesterday evening > trying every "set config smtp" command that looked reasonable, > and the behavior was to say the least bizzare. Rather than go > through the play-by-play, I'd like to know if people are having > trouble with UCX 3.1 SMTP in general. And FWIW, I have to > forward all e-mail to a firewall host before it can be sent out. I suggest you update to UCX 3.3 soonest. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:21:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: rod.haut@wisplan.uwex.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: MX Queue problem Date: 13 Jul 1995 19:54:14 GMT Message-ID: <3u3tl6$guk@news.doit.wisc.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU howdy, It doesn't look like my last message made it to the news group, so here goes again. Machine: MicroVAX 3800 OS: VAX/VMS v5.2 Mailer: MX v4.1 Last week we had a problem with one of our disks and mail got queued up several thousand deep. Now that the disk is fine, mail is again going thru, but not the messages that got queued up. I've played around with the queue wait interval and the smtp threads but the queued mail still sits. If I ready an entry, it still sits. I'm going to try compressing the queues and then restarting MX to see if things get back on track. Does anyone have any other ideas on how to get the queued mail started again? Thanks Rod Haut University of Wisconsin-Extension, Cooperative Extension rod.haut@ces.uwex.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:49:19 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt (CIISTiado (Antonio Lourenco)) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Faq need Date: 14 Jul 1995 15:01:30 GMT Message-ID: <3u60sa$uec@ci.ist.utl.pt> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Brian Tillman (tillman@swdev.si.com) wrote: : There is no MX or NETLIB FAQs, because it would appear none are needed. The : documentation for these products are well-written and clear and certainly answer : any question that would be _frequently_ asked. Well, I want to know more about MX, but when i've went to my managers they could not give me nothing because they don't know were they've got it. The question is: were can I find the MX documentation? Thanks for any help. |CIISTiado - Antonio Augusto Gaspar Lourenco - l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt |Informatic Centre, Superior Techical Institut, Tecnical University, Lisbon |Electrotecnic and Computer Engineering - Branch of )|( | Telecomunications and Electronics PORTUGAL (o o) |--Indonesia is killing innocent people in East Timor----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:52:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:47:52 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00993568.1DDE28E0.12@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: Faq need >> There is no MX or NETLIB FAQs, because it would appear none are needed. >> The documentation for these products are well-written and clear and >> certainly answer any question that would be _frequently_ asked. > Well, I want to know more about MX, but when i've went to my managers they > could not give me nothing because they don't know were they've got it. > > The question is: were can I find the MX documentation? The following is posted on the first of every month: MX itself is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu in [.MX.MX041]. You can also get it via e-mail by sending the commands SEND MX and SEND FILESERV_TOOLS on separate lines in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. Which one of the savesets is usually used by VMSINSTAL to hold documentation? The .C one, if I remember. It's in there. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:39:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 17:38:59 BST From: "Tim Llewellyn, 0117 9288772" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: tjl@siva.bris.ac.uk Message-ID: <00993599.2A9F0DBC.49@siva.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Faq need >From: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" 14-JUL-1995 17:21:56.82 >To: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" >CC: >Subj: Re: Faq need > >Brian Tillman (tillman@swdev.si.com) wrote: > > > The question is: were can I find the MX documentation? > If MX is installed in your system then look in the directory pointed to by the logical mx_doc. $ dir mx_doc Directory MX_ROOT:[DOC] LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF;4 MX.DECW$BOOKSHELF;4 MX_INSTALL_GUIDE.DECW$BOOK;1 MX_INSTALL_GUIDE.PS;1 MX_INSTALL_GUIDE.TXT;1 MX_MGMT_GUIDE.DECW$BOOK;1 MX_MGMT_GUIDE.PS;1 MX_MGMT_GUIDE.TXT;1 MX_MLF_GUIDE.DECW$BOOK;1 MX_MLF_GUIDE.PS;1 MX_MLF_GUIDE.TXT;1 MX_PROG_GUIDE.DECW$BOOK;1 MX_PROG_GUIDE.PS;1 MX_PROG_GUIDE.TXT;1 MX_USER_GUIDE.DECW$BOOK;1 MX_USER_GUIDE.PS;1 MX_USER_GUIDE.TXT;1 Total of 17 files. $ > Thanks for any help. > >|CIISTiado - Antonio Augusto Gaspar Lourenco - l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt >|Informatic Centre, Superior Techical Institut, Tecnical University, Lisbon >|Electrotecnic and Computer Engineering - Branch of )|( >| Telecomunications and Electronics PORTUGAL (o o) >|--Indonesia is killing innocent people in East Timor----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -- Tim Llewellyn, Physicist Programmer, Bristol Uni Particle Physics. HEPNET/SPAN 19716::TJL Internet tjl@siva.bris.ac.uk Soukous, OpenVMS and cricket addict. Doesn't eat animals. Read at your own risk, standard disclaimer applies. http://juno.phy.bris.ac.uk/~tjl/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 12:16:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 12:16:10 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: L38056@ALFA.IST.UTL.PT Message-ID: <0099356C.11D5CED7.3@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: Faq need l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt (CIISTiado (Antonio Lourenco)) writes: > >Brian Tillman (tillman@swdev.si.com) wrote: > >: There is no MX or NETLIB FAQs, because it would appear none are needed. The >: documentation for these products are well-written and clear and certainly answer >: any question that would be _frequently_ asked. > > Well, I want to know more about MX, but when i've went to my >managers they could not give me nothing because they don't know were they've >got it. > > The question is: were can I find the MX documentation? > The MX kits can be found on ftp.wku.edu in [.MX.MX041]. There is a MX041_DOCS_ONLY.ZIP file if you only want the docs. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:19:26 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:34:51 EDT From: strickland@vax6k.nellis.af.mil Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt Message-ID: <0099355D.EA599360.3@vax6k.nellis.af.mil> Subject: Re: Faq need Antonio Augusto Gaspar Lourenco - (l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt) writes: : Well, I want to know more about MX, but when i've went to my :managers they could not give me nothing because they don't know were they've :got it. : : The question is: were can I find the MX documentation? : : Thanks for any help. You should be able to find the docs in the MX_ROOT:[DOC] directory on a VMS machine or some similar directory on a UNIX machine Chuck Strickland ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:26:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 10:25:57 EST From: Kevin Convery FSU GFDI 644-2454 Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009937B8.2B4B5DC0.39@gfdi.fsu.edu> Subject: SUBSCRIBE SUBSCRIBE ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 10:17:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:14:17 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009937E8.D4D25012.56@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: Support for extended SMTP Recently, we installed a new mail gateway system that insisted on opening the protocol session to our MX SMTP server with: EHLO xxx rather than: HELO xxx Now, as I understand it, this (EHLO) is requesting the extended (8-bit) SMTP. The MX SMTP SERVER rejects this, the gateway falls back to the standard HELO protocol, and the transaction continues apparently successfully. After a while (a day or so), the MX SMTP server crashes with an access violation. Turning on the SMTP_SERVER debug merely shows it starting a transaction - no errors of any kind. The EHLO function of the new gateway was disabled and the SMTP_SERVER stopped crashing. (It appears as though the gateway tries to use EHLO even when the message doesn't require 8-bit support). So, two questions really: 1. What is the position on MX support for extended 8-bit support. I was sure I had seen the outgoing SMTP use this, but the incoming definitely doesn't recognize it. 2. Although the SMTP SERVER appears not to recognize EHLO, it does seem to have an adverse affect, causing it to crash some time later. I could not see anything else that had changed recently that might cause this. Is there a problem in SMTP_SERVER that anyone knows of? Is there a way, other than the SMTP_SERVER debug (which I have tried already), to get more insight into the problem? Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:21:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Support for extended SMTP Date: 17 Jul 95 21:53:39 BST Message-ID: <1995Jul17.215339@oxvaxd> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009937E8.D4D25012.56@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>, "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" writes: > Recently, we installed a new mail gateway system that insisted on opening the > protocol session to our MX SMTP server with: > > EHLO xxx > > rather than: > > HELO xxx > > Now, as I understand it, this (EHLO) is requesting the extended (8-bit) SMTP. > The MX SMTP SERVER rejects this, the gateway falls back to the standard > HELO protocol, and the transaction continues apparently successfully. > > After a while (a day or so), the MX SMTP server crashes with an access > violation. Turning on the SMTP_SERVER debug merely shows it starting a > transaction - no errors of any kind. > I've been seeing the SMTP Server accvio'ing on our system for some time, but I had not connected it with EHLO. Are you using PP on your mail gateway? Dave -- David Hastings | "Life's too short to waste time Systems Programmer/News Manager | chitchatting with machines for Oxford University Computing Services | no good reason" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:25:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: craigh@aerovax.com (Craig Hauschildt) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: POP Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:11:11 GMT Message-ID: <3ueqqf$md2@aimnet1.aimnet.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I am looking for ways to make my VMS system a POP server. MX is great for SMTP, but there are many PC/Windows mail applications including WWW browsers that seem to require POP3. Is there any such creature, or am I missing something? Craig Hauschildt MIS Manager craigh@aerovax.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:23:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:21:02 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00993802.EB152B24.10@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: POP > Craig Hauschildt > I am looking for ways to make my VMS system a POP server. MX is great > for SMTP, but there are many PC/Windows mail applications including > WWW browsers that seem to require POP3. Is there any such creature, or > am I missing something? Here's the batch file I used ... $ set def [.pop] $ ftp ftp.indiana.edu login anonymous password system@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu cd /pub/vms/iupop3/v1.8 mget *.* quit $exit This version of POP3 works fine with UCX. My Macintosh users are quite happy. What sort of windows MAIL application are you using that uses POP? Is it free? If so, what is the site address? //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:01:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:58:32 EDT From: "Stuart A. Cohnen (212-327-7509)" <"ruaxp4::cohnen"@RUVMS2.ROCKEFELLER.EDU> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00993818.EC106B80.1@RUVMS2.ROCKEFELLER.EDU> Subject: RE: POP GET EUDORA FROM QUALLCOM! Its Free and the BEST Windows POP Mail Reader around ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:02:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:00:27 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: craigh@aerovax.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00993829.F3DA1260.3@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: POP > I am looking for ways to make my VMS system a POP server. MX is great > for SMTP, but there are many PC/Windows mail applications including > WWW browsers that seem to require POP3. Is there any such creature, or > am I missing something? The "standard" POP3 client program for VMS is IUPOP3, from Indiana University (ftp://ftp.indiana.edu//pub/vms/iupop3). There are different versions for different TCP/IP layers. IUPOP3 uses VMS's callable mail interface, which allows it access to the standard VMS Mail system. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 03:05:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:03:08 +0200 From: Juan Altmayer Pizzorno Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099387E.25E14FF8.1@vms.gmd.de> Subject: RE: Support for extended SMTP "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" writes: >Now, as I understand it, this (EHLO) is requesting the extended (8-bit) SMTP. >The MX SMTP SERVER rejects this, the gateway falls back to the standard >HELO protocol, and the transaction continues apparently successfully. ESMTP is more than just "8-bit SMTP". When a mailer greets back the EHLO command, it has the chance to tell the initiating mailer all the SMTP extensions it will understand. Counting the draft and experimental extensions, these might include binary transfers, checkpointing, and quite a few more things. It's normal of non-ESMTP (i.e., good old "pure" SMTP :)) to reject the the EHLO command with a "500 bad command" or similar response. ESMTP mailers will normally handle this by sending a "normal" HELO command and continuing the session, without any SMTP extensions. >1. What is the position on MX support for extended 8-bit support. I was >sure I had seen the outgoing SMTP use this, but the incoming definitely >doesn't recognize it. MX supports plain SMTP only. Af far as I know, it forwards message bodies just like it received them. I mean, if in there were bytes with the highest bit set, that's how these bytes will be sent. .. Juan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:56:17 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:54:07 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <00993885.45026EF2.113@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Support for extended SMTP >> After a while (a day or so), the MX SMTP server crashes with an access >> violation. Turning on the SMTP_SERVER debug merely shows it starting a >> transaction - no errors of any kind. >> > >I've been seeing the SMTP Server accvio'ing on our system for some time, but I >had not connected it with EHLO. Are you using PP on your mail gateway? Yes we are! Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:10:41 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:08:41 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099386E.2884F104.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: POP > From: "Stuart A. Cohnen (212-327-7509)" > GET EUDORA FROM QUALLCOM! > Its Free and the BEST Windows POP Mail Reader around What is the EMail address, please. //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 09:34:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:32:40 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00993882.45DDD440.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: POP >> GET EUDORA FROM QUALLCOM! > What is the EMail address, please. Not a direct answer to what you asked, but you can download the free versions of Eudora from: ftp://ftp.qualcomm.com/ (Note the single "l" and double "m".) There are also commercial versions of Eudora, which contain more features. The FTP site has the details on ordering them directly from Qualcomm. Starting in August, Eudora Pro will go on sale through regular software sales channels. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:26:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: POP Date: 18 Jul 1995 15:14:12 GMT Message-ID: <3ugj49$iak@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <3ueqqf$md2@aimnet1.aimnet.com>, craigh@aerovax.com (Craig Hauschildt) writes: #I am looking for ways to make my VMS system a POP server. MX is great #for SMTP, but there are many PC/Windows mail applications including #WWW browsers that seem to require POP3. Is there any such creature, or #am I missing something? A POP3 server is included with MultiNet, TCPware, Pathway for VMS. I'm not sure if UCX includes a POP3 server. There's also a freeware POP3 server available from University of Indiana. -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:50:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: craigh@aerovax.com (Craig Hauschildt) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: POP Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:45:25 GMT Message-ID: <3ugkim$j7t@aimnet1.aimnet.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU >The "standard" POP3 client program for VMS is IUPOP3, from Indiana Thanks for all the pointers, IUPOP3 indeed looks like what I was missing. Has anyone had any success with attachments through programs like Eudora, or even WWW browsers? The attachments seem to send fine, but the are not recognized at receiving end. (even mail send with Eudora to POP and re-read w/Eudora do not get interpreted as attachments, all the headers seem to be there, perhaps too many!) Craig Hauschildt Aerotherm, Corp craigh@aerovax.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:55:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:53:07 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: craigh@aerovax.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0099389E.4659AA40.10@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: POP > Has anyone had any success with attachments through programs > like Eudora, or even WWW browsers? The attachments seem to send fine, > but the are not recognized at receiving end. (even mail send with > Eudora to POP and re-read w/Eudora do not get interpreted as > attachments, all the headers seem to be there, perhaps too many!) There are different ways to send attachments. Make sure that you are using the same version of Eudora at both ends (e.g., the commercial version as opposed to the free version), on the same type of computer. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:58:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:55:47 PST From: "John F. Sandhoff" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: Message-ID: <0099389E.A5DC5940.12@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU> Subject: RE: POP (drifting off-topic) Dave Miller writes: > What sort of windows MAIL application are you using that uses POP? > Is it free? If so, what is the site address? I recommend you check out Pegasus mail, written by David Harris in New Zealand. The package is freely distributable, the only money David makes is if you wish to buy manuals (though with the extensive online help there's no need unless you want to express your support for a great product). There's Pegasus for DOS, Pegasus for Windows and Pegasus for Mac. The Windows and Mac versions support POP (the DOS version doesn't). (Pegasus initially grew up on a NetWare environment and is a great LAN solution as well). The US authority site location is ftp:// risc.ua.edu/pub/network/pegasus. John F. Sandhoff, University Network Support California State University, Sacramento - USA sandhoff@csus.edu "Just an invisible cog in a huge wheel" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:46:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: bjorndas@cgsvax.claremont.edu (Sterling Bjorndahl) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: POP Date: 18 Jul 95 13:28:22 PDT Message-ID: <1995Jul18.132822@cgsvax> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993818.EC106B80.1@RUVMS2.ROCKEFELLER.EDU>, "Stuart A. Cohnen (212-327-7509)" writes: > GET EUDORA FROM QUALLCOM! > Its Free and the BEST Windows POP Mail Reader around The man was asking about servers, not clients. But while we're into product endorsements, don't forget Pegasus Mail which is also freeware, offers POP/SMTP client service, and can also operate in a Novell Netware environment. Sterling Bjorndahl ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:18:16 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: craigh@aerovax.com (Craig Hauschildt) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: POP Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 00:08:17 GMT Message-ID: <3uhijn$56c@aimnet1.aimnet.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Ok, I have installed IU-POP3 on my VMS/CMUIP system. Seems to work great for simple text messages. But alas, when I try an attachment.... Eudora -> POP -> Eudora .... Eudora does not recognize the message as having an attachment. Pegasus-Win->Pegasus-Win Attachments work fine Pegasus-Win->POP->Pegasus-Win Attachment not recognized Someone mentioned that the programs on both ends should be the same. This defeats the purpose, as I want to send attachments to users with various mail packages and various networks. How do the mail clients determine there exists an attachment? The messages seem to have MIME type info i.e. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: ...; boundary="..." X-Attachments: C:\... Does this stuff work for anyone else? Thanks for your patience. Craig Hauschildt Aerotherm, Corp craigh@aerovax.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:24:26 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: dtcampbe@indyvax.iupui.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: HELP: MX SMTP Queue Not Sending. Message-ID: <1995Jul18.222204.16638@indyvax.iupui.edu> Date: 18 Jul 95 22:22:04 -0500 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Help!!!! My company has just aquired a VAX 6340 running VMS 5.5-2HW and I have installed CMU TCP/IP and MX. We also have a MicroVAX-II with VMS 5.3 and with 16MEG RAM also with CMU TCP and MX I have only selected SMTP as a transport agent and I can send mail from the MicroVAX-II to the VAX 6340 with no problems, it receives the mail. In fact I'm having no problems with the mail on the MicroVAX-II. My problem is that when I try to send mail from the VAX 6340, it just gets put into the queue, status of INPROG and the other status indicator reads READY. I know that my domain-name server is working right because I have no problems with TELNET and FTP. I have no problems with the TCP/IP that I know of I don't have this problem on the MicroVAX-II and I'm asking for ANY help anyone out there could give me. Thanks Robert Byer DTCAMPBE@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 00:22:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: HELP: MX SMTP Queue Not Sending. Date: 19 Jul 1995 05:11:58 GMT Message-ID: <3ui46u$crm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995Jul18.222204.16638@indyvax.iupui.edu>, dtcampbe@indyvax.iupui.edu writes: = =Help!!!! = =My company has just aquired a VAX 6340 running VMS 5.5-2HW and I have =installed CMU TCP/IP and MX. We also have a MicroVAX-II with VMS 5.3 =and with 16MEG RAM also with CMU TCP and MX = =I have only selected SMTP as a transport agent and I can send mail from =the MicroVAX-II to the VAX 6340 with no problems, it receives the mail. =In fact I'm having no problems with the mail on the MicroVAX-II. = =My problem is that when I try to send mail from the VAX 6340, it just =gets put into the queue, status of INPROG and the other status indicator =reads READY. = =I know that my domain-name server is working right because I have no problems =with TELNET and FTP. I have no problems with the TCP/IP that I know of = =I don't have this problem on the MicroVAX-II and I'm asking for ANY help =anyone out there could give me. Liar. Were that the case, you'd've taken the trouble to read the documentation that comes with MX, enabled SMTP debugging, and reported what that told you. You don't want just ANY help, you want any help that doesn't require that you actually do any work to try to solve the problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 05:24:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:52:18 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <0099394E.2E87F092.49@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: POP >Ok, I have installed IU-POP3 on my VMS/CMUIP system. Seems to work >great for simple text messages. But alas, when I try an attachment.... > >Eudora -> POP -> Eudora .... Eudora does not recognize the message > as having an attachment. > >Pegasus-Win->Pegasus-Win Attachments work fine >Pegasus-Win->POP->Pegasus-Win Attachment not recognized You need to compile the IUPOP3 server with the special #define of IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS If you don't, it sends TWO sets of headers (The VMS MAIL ones and the RFC ones) to the pc mail client and confuses the heck out of its header parsing. >Someone mentioned that the programs on both ends should be the same. Completely wrong. MIME is a standard; ANY compliant MIME mailer should be able to decode the attachments regardless of which mail client created them. >How do the mail clients determine there exists an attachment? The >messages seem to have MIME type info i.e. > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: ...; boundary="..." > X-Attachments: C:\... Well there you have it! >Does this stuff work for anyone else? Works for me; I've got IUPOP3 running fine in conjunction with all sorts of pc clients like pegasus, eudora etc. Unfortunately this nice stable service is about to be subverted by a move to IMAP - oh well... Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:29:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:27:25 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: dtcampbe@indyvax.iupui.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00993953.164DDA00.3@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: HELP: MX SMTP Queue Not Sending. > I don't have this problem on the MicroVAX-II and I'm asking for ANY help > anyone out there could give me. I take it that this means that you could look at the DIFFerences between the configuration files on each machine to look for differences. Pay particular attention to IP_STARTUP.COM. Did you set and uncomment the line: $ Define/System/Exec/NoLog INTERNET_HOST_NAME ???? - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:41:16 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:39:04 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00993954.B72016E0.5@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: POP >> Someone mentioned that the programs on both ends should be the same. > Completely wrong. MIME is a standard; ANY compliant MIME mailer should be > able to decode the attachments regardless of which mail client created them. Ahem. The poster originally complained that attachments didn't work _at all_. I suggested that, as a first step, he ensure that he was using the same version of Eudora at both ends. It is *not* the case that all mailers use the same method of binary encoding, whether or not they use MIME. For example, in the Macintosh community files can be encoded in a format called BINHEX that does not exist in the PC community. It should come as no surprise that the commercial version of Eudora encodes and recognizes more formats than does the free version. It was my specific concern that an attachment was being sent using the commercial version of Eudora and the person receiving it was using the free version of Eudora. Call me a cynic, but if that didn't work I wouldn't be surprised at all. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:27:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:56:54 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00993981.1D8E7710.441@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: POP >> Completely wrong. MIME is a standard; ANY compliant MIME mailer should be >> able to decode the attachments regardless of which mail client created them. > > >It is *not* the case that all mailers use the same method of binary >encoding, whether or not they use MIME. For example, in the Macintosh >community files can be encoded in a format called BINHEX that does not >exist in the PC community. I believe that the MIME standard does specify that MIME compliant mailers should support two basic encoding schemes, quoted-printable and base64 if I recall correctly. Given an encoding into one of these, the attachments should be completely portable. Having said that, you are of course quite correct. Mea Culpa! I was assuming that the encoding mechanism chosen would be one of the 'must be supported' ones, rather than one of the many that have grown up over time as 'de-facto' standards in various mail clients. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:11:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hunt@blade.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Mail loop? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 14:16:29 +1200 Message-ID: <3uke8s$piv@golem.wcc.govt.nz> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I'm wondering if anyone can shed any light on this. I have received complaints from two people complaining about some messages being forwarded from one of our systems. The first is a subscriber to a mailing list, who says that there is a mail loop. The second is from the list administrator saying that he is not going to deal with us again until we replace our mailing system. I have never had a complaint like this before. So I am wondering where the problem lies (it is not exactly clear just what is being complained about) - is it MX, or is the problem somewhere else? Any hints of what I should be looking for would be appreciated. ------------ Included message 1 ---------------- Return-Path: Received: from edelweb.fr by kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 03:56:36 +1200 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.33]) by edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA04459; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:36 +0200 Received: from carmel.edelweb.fr (carmel.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.36]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15922; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:28 +0200 From: Peter Sylvester Received: (sylvest@localhost) by carmel.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18579; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:27 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:27 +0200 Message-ID: <199507191555.RAA18579@carmel.edelweb.fr> To: postmaster@armpit.dia.govt.nz, postmaster@dia.govt.nz, postmaster@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz, postmaster@wcc.govt.nz Subject: Mail loop Hello, I am getting tons of error messages. Would someone please try to correct the problem between Resent-From: Resent-To: Thanks. peter.sylvester@edelweb.fr ----- Begin Included Message ----- From Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr@armpit.dia.govt.nz Wed Jul 19 17:49:46 1995 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15904 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:49:46 +0200 From: Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr@armpit.dia.govt.nz Received: from armpit.dia.govt.nz (armpit.dia.govt.nz [192.112.148.74]) by edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04380 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:47:29 +0200 Message-Id: <199507191547.RAA04380@edelweb.fr> Report-Version: 2 >To: Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr To: Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr Date: Wed Jul 19 15:48:35 GMT 1995 Original-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:32:47 +0200 Original-Subject: Re: Re[2]: X.400 MHS Vs SMTP Not-Delivered-To: due to 12 Inability To Transfer ORIGINAL MESSAGE ATTACHED (rmail: Error # 2 'Problem with mailfile') En-Route-To: macewanh Content-Type: text Received: from edelweb.fr by armpit.dia.govt.nz; Thu, 20 Jul 95 03:48 GMT Received: from aun.uninett.no by kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 02:05:29 +1200 Received: from edelweb.fr by aun.uninett.no with SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:37:33 +0200 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.33]) by edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA02848; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:32:48 +0200 Received: from carmel.edelweb.fr (carmel.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.36]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA15473; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:32:47 +0200 Received: (sylvest@localhost) by carmel.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA18550; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:32:47 +0200 Content-Length: 2131 Content-Type: text Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 02:05:17 +1200 Resent-From: Resent-To: From: Peter Sylvester Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:32:47 +0200 Message-ID: <199507191332.PAA18550@carmel.edelweb.fr> To: d.gibson@dtt.co.nz, pvm@isi.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: X.400 MHS Vs SMTP Cc: mhsnews@uninett.no [rest of message body deleted] ----- End Included Message ----- ----- End message 1 ---- ----- Message 2 (from the list owner) ----- Return-Path: Received: from domen.uninett.no by kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:34:00 +1200 Received: from dale.ietf33.nordu.net by domen.uninett.no with SMTP (PP) id <10270-0@domen.uninett.no>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:34:04 +0200 Received: from dale.uninett.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dale.uninett.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA09852; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:34:01 +0200 Message-ID: <199507192034.WAA09852@dale.uninett.no> From: Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no To: postmaster@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz CC: mhsnews-request@uninett.no Subject: User deleted from mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9849.806186039.1@dale.uninett.no> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:34:00 +0200 Sender: hta@dale.uninett.no Hellok the user "macewan_h@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz" has been deleted from the mhsnews mailing list, due to an extremely excessive amount of error messages generated by the mail gateway in question. The error messages (example attached) have put the SENDER address (NOT the envelope MAIL FROM address, which is the only legal one to use for bounce messages on the Internet) into the TO field, the FROM field and the envelope MAIL FROM field of the error message, and carefully hidden the location of the real point of failure. Until I hear from you that this particularly offensive piece of Internet-polluting mailbreaking software has been removed from any further contact with any reasonable mail system, I will not allow any address from kosmos.wcc.govt.nz onto my mailing lists again. Harald T. Alvestrand MHSNEWS manager Return-Path: dale.uninett.no!hta Received: from dale.uninett.no (root@localhost) by dale.uninett.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA09463 for hta@dale.uninett.no; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:04:49 +0200 Received: from armpit.dia.govt.nz by trane.uninett.no with SMTP id AA23634 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 20:25:16 +0200 From: hta@dale.uninett.no Message-Id: <199507191825.AA23634@trane.uninett.no> Report-Version: 2 >>To: dale.uninett.no!hta To: hta@dale.uninett.no Date: Wed Jul 19 18:25:07 GMT 1995 Original-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:03:42 +0200 Original-Subject: The Canonical X.400/Internet Mail debate End-Of-Header: Not-Delivered-To: due to 12 Inability To Transfer ORIGINAL MESSAGE ATTACHED (rmail: Error # 2 'Problem with mailfile') En-Route-To: macewanh Content-Length: 4578 Content-Type: text Received: from dale.uninett.no by armpit.dia.govt.nz; Thu, 20 Jul 95 06:25 GMT Received: from aun.uninett.no by ix.wcc.govt.nz (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, --- End message 2 --- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin D. Hunt This space contains nothing important Systems Administrator because I can't think of what to put. Wellington City Council hunt@wcc.govt.nz ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:12:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Mail loop? Date: 20 Jul 1995 04:55:08 GMT Message-ID: <3uknjc$4ib@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <3uke8s$piv@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, hunt@blade.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes: #I'm wondering if anyone can shed any light on this. I have received #complaints from two people complaining about some messages being forwarded #from one of our systems. The first is a subscriber to a mailing list, who #says that there is a mail loop. The second is from the list administrator #saying that he is not going to deal with us again until we replace our #mailing system. I have never had a complaint like this before. So I am #wondering where the problem lies (it is not exactly clear just what is #being complained about) - is it MX, or is the problem somewhere else? Any #hints of what I should be looking for would be appreciated. [...] I'm guessing that this is the mail you received, which has the offending mail message attached to it: #Return-Path: #Received: from domen.uninett.no by kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; # Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:34:00 +1200 #Received: from dale.ietf33.nordu.net by domen.uninett.no with SMTP (PP) id # <10270-0@domen.uninett.no>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:34:04 +0200 #Received: from dale.uninett.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dale.uninett.no # (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA09852; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:34:01 +0200 #Message-ID: <199507192034.WAA09852@dale.uninett.no> #From: Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no #To: postmaster@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz #CC: mhsnews-request@uninett.no #Subject: User deleted from mailing list #MIME-Version: 1.0 #Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" #Content-ID: <9849.806186039.1@dale.uninett.no> #Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:34:00 +0200 #Sender: hta@dale.uninett.no # #Hellok #the user "macewan_h@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz" has been deleted from the #mhsnews mailing list, due to an extremely excessive amount of error #messages generated by the mail gateway in question. # #The error messages (example attached) have put the SENDER address #(NOT the envelope MAIL FROM address, which is the only legal one to #use for bounce messages on the Internet) into the TO field, the #FROM field and the envelope MAIL FROM field of the error message, #and carefully hidden the location of the real point of failure. # #Until I hear from you that this particularly offensive piece of #Internet-polluting mailbreaking software has been removed from any #further contact with any reasonable mail system, I will not allow #any address from kosmos.wcc.govt.nz onto my mailing lists again. # # Harald T. Alvestrand # MHSNEWS manager (Mail message that Harald didn't like is below, I'm guessing?) #Return-Path: dale.uninett.no!hta #Received: from dale.uninett.no (root@localhost) by dale.uninett.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA09463 for hta@dale.uninett.no; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:04:49 +0200 #Received: from armpit.dia.govt.nz by trane.uninett.no with SMTP id AA23634 # (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 20:25:16 +0200 #From: hta@dale.uninett.no #Message-Id: <199507191825.AA23634@trane.uninett.no> #Report-Version: 2 #>>To: dale.uninett.no!hta #To: hta@dale.uninett.no #Date: Wed Jul 19 18:25:07 GMT 1995 #Original-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:03:42 +0200 #Original-Subject: The Canonical X.400/Internet Mail debate #End-Of-Header: #Not-Delivered-To: due to 12 Inability To Transfer # ORIGINAL MESSAGE ATTACHED # (rmail: Error # 2 'Problem with mailfile') #En-Route-To: macewanh #Content-Length: 4578 #Content-Type: text # #Received: from dale.uninett.no by armpit.dia.govt.nz; Thu, 20 Jul 95 06:25 GMT #Received: from aun.uninett.no by ix.wcc.govt.nz (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, If I read the message correctly (it was difficult to read the post to MX-List due to the multiple headers and no clear delination between one header and another header -- it would be useful to prefix each line with some unique character if you're going to re-post more information to the MX-List to try to determine what happened), the above message doesn't appear to be from the MX mailer (MX doesn't generate a "Not-Delivered-To:" header, for example, nor a "En-Route-To:", or other useless garbage like that). -dan -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 07:05:55 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 07:05:22 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009939F7.A507C630.15@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Mail loop? hunt@blade.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes: > >I'm wondering if anyone can shed any light on this. I have received >complaints from two people complaining about some messages being forwarded >from one of our systems. The first is a subscriber to a mailing list, who >says that there is a mail loop. The second is from the list administrator >saying that he is not going to deal with us again until we replace our >mailing system. I have never had a complaint like this before. So I am >wondering where the problem lies (it is not exactly clear just what is >being complained about) - is it MX, or is the problem somewhere else? Any >hints of what I should be looking for would be appreciated. > It's not MX, but I can't tell from the messages you included what it is from. My guess is that it's whatever package is adding this: >Not-Delivered-To: due to 12 Inability To Transfer > ORIGINAL MESSAGE ATTACHED > (rmail: Error # 2 'Problem with mailfile') >Received: from edelweb.fr by armpit.dia.govt.nz; Thu, 20 Jul 95 03:48 GMT My guess is that it's the software on armpit.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:26:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: bgunam@interlog.com (Balan (E.S.) Gunaratnam) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: EMAIL using CCMAIL and VMS Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 17:07:16 GMT Message-ID: <3um2gh$spc@steel.interlog.com> Keywords: Alpha, cc:Mail, OpenVMS, SMTP To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi All, I am looking for a way to get my users on a Pathworks network using cc:Mail using internet email. We have a Alpha OpenVMS shop that has access to the net via a gateway and SMTP mail works fine from VMS. Alas most of our users do not have direct login to OVMS but rather use cc:Mail. Any clues or directions to follow? Thanks Balan Gunaratnam ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:47:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:35:08 -0500 Message-ID: <95072014350756@apache.brooks.af.mil> From: canellis@apache.brooks.af.mil (Alan J. Canellis, 4-2336) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Subject: Re: EMAIL using CCMAIL and VMS Brian, It depends on how much money you want to spend. We have just finished doing this very thing. We have users on Pathworks and OpenVMS running ccMail. We made one PC a ccMail smtp gateway, $3500 for the software. Another a ccMail router that talks both Pathworks and FTP's TCP/IP product, a dual protocol machine. The ccMail postoffice is on the Pathworks server. Works great. If you have more questions contact me directly at the address below. +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Alan J. Canellis | Disclaimer: Who, What, When, Where??? | | Senior Systems Analyst +----------------------------------------------+ | Armstrong Laboratory | | | Brooks AFB, Tx | | | Voice: (210) 536-2683 | This space intentionally left blank | | (210) 536-2336 | | | Fax: (210) 536-3004 | | +-------------------------------+---------------------+------------------------+ | INTERnet: canellis@kiowas.brooks.af.mil | +-----------------------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 18:01:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Peter Burnett Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: POP Date: 20 Jul 95 22:45:31 Message-ID: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello Andy! Wednesday July 19 1995, udaa055@kcl.ac.uk writes to All: u> Works for me; I've got IUPOP3 running fine in conjunction with all u> sorts of u> pc clients like pegasus, eudora etc. Unfortunately this nice stable u> service u> is about to be subverted by a move to IMAP - oh well... Have you had the CMU/TEK build varient of IUPOP3 working at all. I have installed it here with CMU and it loads all ok, access it with PCTCP for DOS v3.00 and the IUPOP3 shuts up shop and exits. The Process termination code from the accounting from what I recall was 0000000C, sommat about a logical from memory... Anyway, I sort of gave up on it for a while but as the subject has raised it head, this could be a good moment for me to re-visit it. Initaily, some hints, tips and traps on getting IUPOP3 working with CMU would be usefull before I delve deeper. MX is working 100% on these boxes. -- Peter Burnett Internet: pdb@neverlnd.demon.co.uk 10 Parsons Close Fidonet: Peter Burnett 2:441/80 St. Leonards On Sea East Sussex, UK, TN38 9QT Fax: 44-1424-853364 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 18:26:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hunt@blade.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: Mail loop? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 10:52:21 +1200 Message-ID: <3ummm1$8ui@golem.wcc.govt.nz> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In Article <3uke8s$piv@golem.wcc.govt.nz> hunt@blade.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes: >I'm wondering if anyone can shed any light on this. I have received >complaints from two people complaining about some messages being forwarded >from one of our systems. The first is a subscriber to a mailing list, who >says that there is a mail loop. This has now been resolved. It seems that the fault was with the mailing system that the message was forwarded to, not with MX. Thanks to Dan Wing for his prompt response to my query. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin D. Hunt Declare the Pacific nuclear free Systems Administrator In fact, declare the world nuclear free Wellington City Council hunt@wcc.govt.nz ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 05:18:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:16:25 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <00993AE3.E1A85752.470@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: POP >Have you had the CMU/TEK build varient of IUPOP3 working at all. I have >installed it here with CMU and it loads all ok, access it with PCTCP for DOS >v3.00 and the IUPOP3 shuts up shop and exits. The Process termination code from >the accounting from what I recall was 0000000C, sommat about a logical from >memory... Anyway, I sort of gave up on it for a while but as the subject has >raised it head, this could be a good moment for me to re-visit it. Initaily, >some hints, tips and traps on getting IUPOP3 working with CMU would be usefull >before I delve deeper. MX is working 100% on these boxes. I don't have the CMU version running now, but i used to (before we switched mainly to multinet) and it was working OK. However, some PC IP implementations don't interact well with CMU because of standards conformance problems. Try running it interactively (RUN IUPOP3.EXE) as a privileged user and then connecting to it, this should give you a dump that contains a traceback (make sure it's linked with /traceback first!). Then you can peruse the source code to see where it's bombing. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I've no longer got easy access to a CMU host on which to test it. You might try mailing the CMU mailing list - others may have some ideas. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:57:39 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:54:24 CST From: Tom Worlton Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00993AD0.0AC6FA17.69@anpns1.pns.anl.gov> Subject: Moving MX in a cluster The node controlling MX in our VMS cluster has gone down several times lately, causing the disk to go into a mount verify state on the other nodes. After the failed node was rebooted, I could not dismount the disk and remount it because of files MX had installed, so I had to reboot the other nodes. I have two questions. 1. How do you get around a mount verify problem like this without rebooting? 2. What is the procedure for moving MX to another disk in a cluster? Tom Worlton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 10:10:41 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: cdenney@netcom.com (Christopher Denney) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: SMTP Server Dies! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:42:47 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I have a number of SMTP_SERVER.LOG files that contain the following: ------------------- 18-JUL-1995 08:21:32.56: MX SMTP Server (pid 2880204A) starting 20-JUL-1995 14:52:49.89: MX SMTP Server (pid 2880204A) exiting, status = 1000000C ------------------- ------------------- $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MESSAGE(%X1000000C) %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB, virtual address=!XL, PC=!XL, PS=!XL ------------------- After the first time it happened I turned on debugging define ... MX_SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG = 1 (couldn't find anything that said that the value made a diff) after turning on debugging on a trend appeared, each time the server stopped, the SMTP_SERVER_LOG.LOG file contained: ------------------- STM[2]: Send "220 al.bbmbc.org MX V4.1 AXP SMTP server ready at Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:52:42 MST" STM[2]: Receive "HELO dsm0.internic.net" ------------------- with different dates, of course. my question is has anyone seen behavior like this before or know how I can get more information on what's actually causing the problem? -- -- Cd -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | Christopher Denney | Life is a stroll | cdenney@netcom.com | | Voice:303.336.2286 | from the past | cdenney@io.com | | Fax:303.322.5159 | into the future | chris@bbmbc.org | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Death is, again, the sudden stop. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:00:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Moving MX in a cluster Date: 21 Jul 1995 15:46:56 GMT Message-ID: <3uoi5g$ea5@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993AD0.0AC6FA17.69@anpns1.pns.anl.gov>, Tom Worlton writes: =The node controlling MX in our VMS cluster has gone down several times lately, =causing the disk to go into a mount verify state on the other nodes. After the =failed node was rebooted, I could not dismount the disk and remount it because =of files MX had installed, so I had to reboot the other nodes. I have two =questions. Er, if the disk just went into mount verify, then you wouldn't've had to dismount it and remount it: It would've automatically completed mount verification after the node that failed rebooted. What you're talking about is a disk in mount verify TIMEOUT state. =1. How do you get around a mount verify problem like this without rebooting? It would require a kernel-mode hack. So the answer, basically, is, "you don.t" To avoid a recurrance of the problem, you might want to increase the SYSGEN parameter MVTIMEOUT. The down side of increasing this parameter is that when a disk goes into mount verification, any process that was trying to access the disk hangs until the mount verification completes or times out. So if you increase MVTIMEOUT, processes will hang longer before a mount verification timeout releases them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:02:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <199507221300.AA13441@na3.dow.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:00:14 EDT From: "Bob Graham, La. R&D, 504/353-1689" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: Moving MX in a cluster > ...What you're talking about is > a disk in mount verify TIMEOUT state. > > =1. How do you get around a mount verify problem like this without rebooting? > > It would require a kernel-mode hack. So the answer, basically, is, > "you don.t" No kernel-mode hack is needed. A simple $QIO to the disk with the IO$_PACKACK function will clear the mount verify timeout and make the disk available again. IO$_PACKACK is a physical I/O function, so you need PHY_IO privilege. Bob Graham Internet: bgraham@dow.com Dow Chemical, La. R&D Voice: 504-353-1689 PO Box 400, Plaquemine LA 70765 FAX: 504-353-8893 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 10:31:37 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: gaw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Graham Wood") Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: POP Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 15:05:37 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In some ways this thread is drifting a little away from POP but ... A possible word of warning and a request for advice. My configuration: the vax uVAX3100/95 VMS 6.1 UCX 3.1 MX 4.1 UUCP 1.4 IUPOP3 the PC (actually lots of PCs) DOS 5 (or 6) Windows 3.1 (or 3.11) trumpet 2.0 (or 1 or 2.0n) pegasus 1.22 (or 2.1) With this configuration of the PC in anything slower than a 486/66, mail messages recovered via pop will loose about 1 line every 20 kbytes. Which screws up CAD or binary transfers (encoded ones of course). No errors logged, no warnings, just damaged files. If I switch to a slower vax (my test box is a 3100/20) even a really slow pc (386/20) will not drop data. Anyone got any ideas? -- Graham Wood Pearpoint Ltd internet: gaw@pearpoint.co.uk fax: 0453-860048 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:19:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Monty Fuller Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Mail forwarding Date: 22 Jul 1995 22:05:37 GMT Message-ID: <3ursnh$j3b@newton.uncg.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I have two accounts- one on a VMS VAx and the other on Solaris Unix. Could someone tell me how I can have my mail forwarded from the VAX automatically to my UNIX account? Thanks for the help. Monty Fuller ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:29:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Mail forwarding Date: 22 Jul 1995 22:22:58 GMT Message-ID: <3urto2$an1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <3ursnh$j3b@newton.uncg.edu>, Monty Fuller writes: = I have two accounts- one on a VMS VAx and the other on Solaris Unix. =Could someone tell me how I can have my mail forwarded from the VAX =automatically to my UNIX account? $ MAIL MAIL> SET FORWARD MX%"""username@solaris_system.domain""" MAIL> EXIT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:15:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: gaw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Graham Wood") Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Mail forwarding Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 18:59:26 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU >$ MAIL >MAIL> SET FORWARD MX%"""username@solaris_system.domain""" >MAIL> EXIT >Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: >SOL1::CARL thats wrong! it should be: MAIL> SET FORWARD "MX%""username@solaris_system.domain""" those darn quotes have a habit of wriggling about -- Graham Wood Pearpoint Ltd internet: gaw@pearpoint.co.uk fax: 0453-860048 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 15:32:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Mail forwarding Date: 23 Jul 1995 20:24:38 GMT Message-ID: <3uub66$k9n@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article , gaw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Graham Wood") writes: = =>$ MAIL =>MAIL> SET FORWARD MX%"""username@solaris_system.domain""" =>MAIL> EXIT = =>Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: =>SOL1::CARL = =thats wrong! it should be: Didn't bother to test your claim and know nothing whatever about how the CLI routines parse quotes, eh, moron? =MAIL> SET FORWARD "MX%""username@solaris_system.domain""" Either syntax works. In fact, in this case, they're perfectly equivalent. In the general case, the syntax you specified would preserve the case of the string between the leading quote character and the first pair of quote characters, while using my syntax, anything before the first quote would be uppercased. So: mx%"""username@solaris_system.domain""" would be parsed to: MX%"username@solaris_system.domain" while "mx%""username@solaris_system.domain""" would be parsed to: mx%"username@solaris_system.domain" However, MAIL uppercases the prefix for the transport, so in this case, both would ultimately be parsed to: MX%"username@solaris_system.domain" =those darn quotes have a habit of wriggling about No, they don't. It's just that some of us know what we're talking about. Tell me, why couldn't you take the few seconds required to test your claim before posting your bullshit? =-- =Graham Wood Pearpoint Ltd = internet: gaw@pearpoint.co.uk = fax: 0453-860048 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 21:40:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 21:39:42 EDT From: Steve Anich -- x6457 -- N94 Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: anich@sicdog.sicd.etn.com Message-ID: <00993CCD.48A1C2E6.5@sicdog.sicd.etn.com> Subject: "From Address" not being writtend correctly Hi, I'm running MX 4.1 on a VMS5.5-2 system over UCX 3.2. When I send email from the machine to elsewhere, the "from" line is: anich@sicdes instead of: anich@sicdes.sicd.etn.com This does not occur on my other systems (they are running VMS 6.1). What would be causing this? I assume its the MCP configuration, or perhaps UCX. But I cannot see a difference between the good and the bad nodes. Any pointers would be much appreciated. --steve ......................................................... Steve Anich email: anich@sicdog.sicd.etn.com Eaton Corporation voice: 414/449-6457 ......................................................... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 23:35:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 06:33:40 +0200 From: "Rok Vidmar, NUK Ljubljana" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00993D17.E10BAE80.1@nuk.uni-lj.si> Subject: Re: Mail forwarding > >$ MAIL > >MAIL> SET FORWARD MX%"""username@solaris_system.domain""" > >MAIL> EXIT > > >Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: > >SOL1::CARL > > thats wrong! it should be: > > MAIL> SET FORWARD "MX%""username@solaris_system.domain""" > > those darn quotes have a habit of wriggling about > > -- > Graham Wood Pearpoint Ltd > internet: gaw@pearpoint.co.uk > fax: 0453-860048 It is *NOT* wrong! Try it and you will find the (unimportant) difference in the upper case of "MX%". Regards, Rok Vidmar Internet: rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si National and University Library Phone: +386 61 125 4218 Turjaska 1, 61000 Ljubljana Fax: +386 61 125 5007 Slovenia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 03:32:06 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:29:42 EDT From: "Matthias Muth, BESSY Berlin" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: muth@exp.bessy.de Message-ID: <00993D38.DA813E4D.16623@exp.bessy.de> Subject: RE: Moving MX in a cluster Bob Graham answered: " No kernel-mode hack is needed. A simple $QIO to the disk with the IO$_PACKACK function will clear the mount verify timeout and make the disk available again. IO$_PACKACK is a physical I/O function, so you need PHY_IO privilege. Bob Graham Internet: bgraham@dow.com Dow Chemical, La. R&D Voice: 504-353-1689 PO Box 400, Plaquemine LA 70765 FAX: 504-353-8893 " Could you post the hopefully short program code with this "simple" qio call to this mailing list? Thanks, Matthias Muth, BESSY-Berlin ******************************************************************************** * Phone: +49 30 82004 180 * BESSY GmbH * * FAX: +49 30 82004 103 * EDV-EXP * * Telex: 186 325 bessy d * Matthias Muth * * e-mail: * * * via INTERNET: X.400: * Lentzeallee 100 * * RFC-822: muth@exp.bessy.de * D-14195 Berlin * * * Germany * * via DFN: X.400: * * * RFC-822: muth@exp.bessy.d400.de * * * * * * via P.S.I.-Mail: PSI%(262)45050030004::MUTH * * * (only when security for the sending DTE is enabled) * * ******************************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 09:32:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: "From Address" not being writtend correctly Date: 24 Jul 1995 14:20:59 GMT Message-ID: <3v0a8b$6p2@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993CCD.48A1C2E6.5@sicdog.sicd.etn.com>, Steve Anich -- x6457 -- N94 writes: =Hi, = =I'm running MX 4.1 on a VMS5.5-2 system over UCX 3.2. = =When I send email from the machine to elsewhere, the "from" line is: = = = anich@sicdes = =instead of: = = anich@sicdes.sicd.etn.com From the release notes: o For systems running UCX, the system's FQDN is now created by combining UCX$INET_HOST and UCX$INET_ DOMAIN. Previously, NETLIB expected UCX$INET_ HOST to contain the FQDN, which was contrary to Digital's intended use for the logical. Make sure that UCX$INET_DOMAIN is properly defined on your systeem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:17:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:16:26 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00993D3F.61CD2A40.12@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: "FROM" Line Steve Anich writes: >Hi, >I'm running MX 4.1 on a VMS5.5-2 system over UCX 3.2. >When I send email from the machine to elsewhere, the "from" line is: > anich@sicdes >instead of: > anich@sicdes.sicd.etn.com >This does not occur on my other systems (they are running VMS 6.1). >What would be causing this? I assume its the MCP configuration, or perhaps UCX. >But I cannot see a difference between the good and the bad nodes. >Any pointers would be much appreciated. >--steve >......................................................... >Steve Anich email: anich@sicdog.sicd.etn.com >Eaton Corporation voice: 414/449-6457 >......................................................... There are (at least) four logical names that you should check: MX_NODE_NAME = "sicdes.sicd.etn.com" MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST = "@sicdes.sicd.etn.com" UCX$INET_DOMAIN = "sicd.etn.com" UCX$INET_HOST = "sicdes" If one of the MX logicals is incorrect, then you can change it in [MX]MX_LOGICALS.DAT, then shut down and restart MX. If the problem is with UCX, then you may need to run @sys$manager:ucx$config. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:34:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:34:26 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00993D41.E518B2A0.1@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: POP fills WASTEBASKET folder Since there has been considerable discussion about and around POP, I hope you won't mind one more question. We are using IUPOP3, MX 4.1, VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.1 on a VAX 4000-600A. POP clients include Eudora and Pegasus Mail. All of this works well. The problem is that when IUPOP3 sends mail to a PC client, it deletes the message on the VMS host. The deleted message is placed in the WASTEBASKET folder and sits there until the user logs into VMS, types "MAIL" at the DCL prompt, and then types "EXIT" or "PURGE" at the "MAIL>" prompt. This could be a very long wait and many, many messages could accumulate (and have accumulated) in the meantime. My question is this: Is there some way other than nagging the user to login and type "EXIT" or "PURGE" at the "MAIL>" prompt to empty the WASTEBASKET folder and reclaim the space on the VAX? Any suggestions would be very welcome. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:24:07 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:12:55 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <00993D71.2E6C8D3A.545@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: POP fills WASTEBASKET folder >We are using IUPOP3, MX 4.1, VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.1 on a VAX 4000-600A. >POP clients include Eudora and Pegasus Mail. All of this works well. >The problem is that when IUPOP3 sends mail to a PC client, it deletes >the message on the VMS host. The deleted message is placed in the >WASTEBASKET folder and sits there until the user logs into VMS, >types "MAIL" at the DCL prompt, and then types "EXIT" or "PURGE" at >the "MAIL>" prompt. This could be a very long wait and many, many >messages could accumulate (and have accumulated) in the meantime. > >My question is this: Is there some way other than nagging the user >to login and type "EXIT" or "PURGE" at the "MAIL>" prompt to >empty the WASTEBASKET folder and reclaim the space on the VAX? >Any suggestions would be very welcome. IUPOP3 version 1.8 has a '-purge_reclaim' switch that does just this when the user QUITs the POP session. Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:26:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:25:34 EDT From: Steve Anich -- x6457 -- N94 Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU, smcneilly@bridgew.edu, kors@iie.cnam.fr, hardis@garnet.nist.gov CC: anich@sicdog.sicd.etn.com Message-ID: <00993D51.6B9A59E6.3@sicdog.sicd.etn.com> Subject: Re: "From Address" problem Solved! Hi, The problem has been solved. As several people suggested, the MX_VMSMAIL_LOCAL logical was not defined. I defined it in MX_LOGICALS.DAT and restarted MX. It works just dandy now. Thanks to thos who helped! --steve ......................................................... Steve Anich email: anich@sicdog.sicd.etn.com Eaton Corporation voice: 414/449-6457 ......................................................... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:13:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <199507250211.AA04367@na3.dow.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:11:12 EDT From: "Bob Graham, La. R&D, 504/353-1689" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Moving MX in a cluster >> No kernel-mode hack is needed. A simple $QIO to the disk with the >> IO$_PACKACK function will clear the mount verify timeout and make >> the disk available again. IO$_PACKACK is a physical I/O function, >> so you need PHY_IO privilege. > >Could you post the hopefully short program code with this "simple" qio call >to this mailing list? > >Thanks, Matthias Muth, BESSY-Berlin Here's simple Fortran program that I've been using for a while. program pack_ack c c Written by Bob Graham 1-Dec-1993 DSVE v1.0 c c This is a simple utility to do a IO$_PACKACK on the disk drive c passed in the command line. It's used to "remount" a disk that c has gone into the mount verification timeout state. c c define the system parameters c include '($iodef)' c c define the functions referenced c integer sys$assign, sys$qiow, lib$get_foreign c c define the local variables c character*64 dev_str integer iret, chan, dev_len integer*2 iosb(4) c c get the disk to use c iret = lib$get_foreign ( dev_str, , dev_len) if ( .not. iret ) call lib$stop ( %val(iret) ) c c assign a channel to the disk c iret = sys$assign ( dev_str(:dev_len), chan, , ) if (.not. iret ) call lib$stop ( %val(iret) ) c c see if it's accessible (and if it is, set the VALID bit) c iret = sys$qiow ( , %val(chan), %val(io$_packack), 1 iosb, , , , , , , , ) if (.not. iret ) call lib$stop ( %val(iret) ) if (.not. iosb(1) ) call lib$stop ( %val(iosb(1)) ) c c deassign the channel, we're done c call sys$dassgn ( %val(chan) ) end Bob Graham Internet: bgraham@dow.com Dow Chemical, La. R&D Voice: 504-353-1689 PO Box 400, Plaquemine LA 70765 FAX: 504-353-8893 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 05:37:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: neill@macro.demon.co.uk (Neill Clift) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Orphanage Date: 26 Jul 95 07:54:18 GMT Message-ID: <1995Jul26.075418.459@macro.demon.co.uk> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Is it worth while having an alias for Orphanage to catch sites that bounce your bounces? Somebody appears to have mailed me a massive uuencoded file by accident which my site correctly bounced as the user did not exist. Problem is their site bounced the bounce and this big file started costing me money! So I figure having an alias for orphanage will at least stop this after one iteration. -- Neill Clift neill@macro.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:33:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: POP3 and POPMAIL problem Date: 26 Jul 1995 13:27:01 GMT Message-ID: <3v5fr5$2vt@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello, We're stumped by Multinet 3.2 POP3 + POPMAIL 3.1 + VMS 5.4-3. In a previously working setup, POPMAIL is failing. The PC errors with "invalid response" when POPMAIL is asked to fetch mail. The POP3 Log in the VAX account shows: s: +OK 29 messages in folder NEWMAIL s: -ERR MAIL$MESSAGE_GET failed - %MAIL-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input s: BERN job terminated at 26-JUL-1995 08:30:27.81 We can have (this is being trouble shot over the phone) a different user put in _their_ username and password, and POPMAIL works. Any ideas? What is the "error opening !AS" about in the log? Harry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:19:43 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 07:17:32 PDT From: Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: mcjohnson@wizard.farinon.harris.com Message-ID: <00993EB0.56E14360.1037@wizard.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Error in appling "MAILSHR_PATCH" This message was first posted on the "INFO-VAX" list several days ago with no responses as of yet, so I am trying here since it applies to E-Mail addresses. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am attempting to installed the VMS Mail patch (MAILSHR_PATCH) on our system, but the patch fails with the following error message: $ PATCH @ DIA0:[VMS_PATCHES]MAILSHR_PATCH_FOR_AT_VAX_61.COM (patch output) %PATCH-W-DIFVAL, memory contains different value than specified %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored I followed the modification instructions in the command procdure as such: - Commented out the default VMS 6.1 area. - Un-commented the area for VMS 5.5-2. Our system is currently VMS 5.5-2H4. - Left in Hunter's modification for "MX%" since we are using the MX Mail Exhange software. I suspect that our VMS version of 5.5-2H4 is different enougth from 5.5-2 to cause the problem (since the patch procdure has may differnet version sections). I have no idea how to correct this if it is the problem, or if there is another problem. Does anyone have suggestions (or answers) on resolving this problem. Thanks for any assistance. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Johnson Manager - Engineering Computer Services Harris Corp./Farinon Div. 1691 Bayport Ave., San Carlos, CA 94070-5307 Voice - (415) 594-3530 FAX - (415) 594-3777 Internet - mike.johnson@farinon.harris.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:01:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wayne@phoenixmicro.com (Wayne Jaco) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: POP3 and POPMAIL problem > >The PC errors with "invalid response" when POPMAIL is asked to fetch mail. >The POP3 Log in the VAX account shows: > I had a similiar problem and fixed it by compressing the suspect mailbox on the VAX. My mail folder was quite large. MAIL> COMPRESS ----------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Jaco email: wayne@phoenixmicro.com Information Systems Administrator Phoenix Microsystems 991 Discovery Drive Huntsville, AL 35806 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:12:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:08:00 EDT From: Chuck Strickland Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <00993EBF.C508E320.1@vax6k.nellis.af.mil> Subject: RE: POP3 and POPMAIL problem Harry sent: ;The PC errors with "invalid response" when POPMAIL is asked to fetch mail. ;The POP3 Log in the VAX account shows: ; ;s: +OK 29 messages in folder NEWMAIL ;s: -ERR MAIL$MESSAGE_GET failed - %MAIL-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as ; input ;s: I have been experimenting with Pegasus, Eudora and IUPOP3 v1.7 and have been having some weird problems too. I saw a message that was the same or very similar just a couple of days ago, but I cant check it right now because I just purged the logs this AM. I beleive the error occured when I had my VMS mail open on my Xterminal and tried to access the mail from the PC at the same time. It would lock up IUPOP and MX SMTP Server. Today I have been careful not to access mail in any account from two different places and I have not seen that error repeated. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:31:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: POP3 and POPMAIL problem Date: 26 Jul 1995 16:19:03 GMT Message-ID: <3v5ptn$4g8@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU As suggested, the problem was a corrupt message. We examined the MAInnnnnnn.etc files, with Swing, and one of them had no mail header. When this was dealt with, POPMAIL worked. Thanks for the help. Harry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:52:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 10:29:29 PST Message-ID: <00993ECB27BFE120.00000218@kpy.com> From: "Bill Pedersen" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Files in MX QUEUE Directory but not in SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu I am having a problem with MX where we got into a situation where we received messages but they did not get into the queue file and so are not "stuck" in the queue directory. How can I remedy this? Thanks, Bill. __________________________________________________________________________ Bill Pedersen | PC Service Center (KPY Corporation) | 1037 North Fair Oaks Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089-2101 pedersen@kpy.com| 1-408-734-2564 1-800-458-8930 FAX:1-408-734-2940 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:13:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: POP fills WASTEBASKET folder Date: 26 Jul 1995 20:46:14 GMT Message-ID: <3v69im$6qo@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993D41.E518B2A0.1@fred.bridgew.edu>, smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu writes: [...] #My question is this: Is there some way other than nagging the user #to login and type "EXIT" or "PURGE" at the "MAIL>" prompt to #empty the WASTEBASKET folder and reclaim the space on the VAX? #Any suggestions would be very welcome. See if automatic message purge is enabled: $ MAIL MAIL> SHOW AUTO_PURGE This is a per-user setting. See HELP SET AUTO_PURGE for an explanation. -d -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:34:44 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: elcan@phwave.phys.lsu.edu (philip elcan) Subject: MX not getting MX_RECORDS correctly Date: 25 Jul 1995 19:21:30 GMT Message-ID: <3v3g7q$34cl@te6000.otc.lsu.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I upgraded from UCX v3.1 to UCX v3.3 last Thursday (July 20). Now MX (v3.3) seems to be having trouble getting MX_RECORDS from UCX. I can no longer send mail to addresses that translate via MX records. For example, das.inpe.br. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Here's the breakdown: The Bind server knows it correctly and UCX$UCP can tell us all about it: $ ucx show mx_records das.inpe.br BIND MX database Server: 130.39.128.71 te6000.otc.lsu.edu Gate address Preference Gate name 150.163.7.1 0 pictor.das.inpe.br 150.163.7.8 10 lume.das.inpe.br Here is the MX_ROUTER_DIR:MX_ROUTER_LOG.LOG file after an attempt to send a message to the host: 25-JUL-1995 16:57:44.77 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 22643 25-JUL-1995 16:57:44.88 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 25-JUL-1995 16:57:44.89 %PROCESS, Message originated in VMS Mail. 25-JUL-1995 16:57:44.89 %PROCESS, will run domain expander on envelope addresses. 25-JUL-1995 16:57:44.89 %PROCESS, Processing address: 25-JUL-1995 16:57:47.19 %PROCESS, ... address now reads: 25-JUL-1995 16:57:47.19 %PROCESS, will run domain expander on message headers. 25-JUL-1995 16:57:50.53 %PROCESS, Finished VMSmail-origin preprocessing. 25-JUL-1995 16:57:50.53 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: 25-JUL-1995 16:57:50.54 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 25-JUL-1995 16:57:54.52 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on das.inpe.br err=00000870 25-JUL-1995 16:57:54.52 %FINDPATH, domain name DAS.INPE.BR matched path pattern * 25-JUL-1995 16:57:54.52 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop das.inpe.br, path 2 25-JUL-1995 16:57:54.60 %PROCESS, Adding to SMTP path: . 25-JUL-1995 16:57:54.86 %PROCESS, Path SMTP gets 1 rcpts, entry number 22644 Here is the MX_SMTP_DIR:MX_SMTP_LOG.LOG file , too: 25-JUL-1995 16:57:55.27 Processing queue entry number 22644 on node PHILTR 25-JUL-1995 16:57:55.65 Recipient: , route=das.inpe.br 25-JUL-1995 16:57:55.65 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name das.inpe.br 25-JUL-1995 16:57:58.65 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=00000870 25-JUL-1995 16:57:58.65 SMTP send failed, sts=0C278024, sts2=00000870 25-JUL-1995 16:57:58.65 Recipient status=0C278024 for 25-JUL-1995 16:57:59.17 1 rcpts need retry, next try 25-JUL-1995 17:27:59.17 25-JUL-1995 16:57:59.18 *** End of processing pass *** However, the host is there and I can telnet to both of hosts' the SMTP ports successfully: $ telnet pictor.das.inpe.br 25 %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 150.163.7.1 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host pictor.das.inpe.br, port 25 220 das.inpe.br Sendmail 4.1/SMI-4.1 ready at Tue, 25 Jul 95 15:58:47 EST $ telnet lume.das.inpe.br 25 %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 150.163.7.8 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host lume.das.inpe.br, port 25 220 lume.das.inpe.br.das.inpe.br Sendmail 4.1/SMI-4.1 ready at Tue, 25 Jul 95 15:58:57 EST Yet, it sits in the queue racking up DNS errors with the last error status of "%MX-F-NOHOST, no such host." I reinstalled NETLIB v2.0E after I realized what was going on just to make sure, but the problem still presists. In summary, I have a mixed cluster running VMS v6.1, UCX v3.3, MX v3.3, and NETLIB v2.0E and would love some help. Thanks, Philip Elcan elcan@phgrav.phys.lsu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:00:54 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:06:59 EDT From: Brian Reed Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00993EF1.EBA91B8F.3@cbict3.cb.att.com> Subject: RE: POP3 and POPMAIL problem In regards to POP possibly locking up mail/MX: I usually end up with 2-3 windows in mail, plus DECWindows mail, and it has never caused a problem for me. I haven't used POP, but I'd be making a guess saying it sounds like it locks out your mail file when it runs, and that probably would cause problems. i.e., incoming mail can't update the file. Brian D. Reed AT&T Columbus Works Brian.D.Reed@att.com 614-860-6218 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 04:45:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Error in appling "MAILSHR_PATCH" Message-ID: <1995Jul27.103242.19269@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: 27 Jul 95 10:32:42 +0100 To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993EB0.56E14360.1037@wizard.farinon.harris.com>, Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 writes: > I followed the modification instructions in the command procdure as such: > > - Commented out the default VMS 6.1 area. > - Un-commented the area for VMS 5.5-2. Our system is currently > VMS 5.5-2H4. There may have been a patch to mailshr in one of the 5.5-n releases. However you should be able to take a mailshr from a recent previous version of VMS and patch it or pick up an already patched mailshr from someone else. If you don't mind picking up an executable then ftp.dct.ac.uk in [anonymous.pub.vms.misc]VAX_5_5_MAILSHR_WITH_MX_PATCH.EXE is a copy of the patched mailshr.exe we currently run on our 5.5-2 systems. I would be very surprised if it wouldn't replace a mailshr.exe on 5.5-2h4 -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (01382) 308810 Int +44 1382 308810 ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 05:46:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Subject: Re: POP3 and POPMAIL problem Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:59:37 GMT Message-ID: <00993F4D.17B7BA0A@sacto.mp.usbr.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <55075452@MVB.SAIC.COM>, wayne@phoenixmicro.com (Wayne Jaco) writes: >> >>The PC errors with "invalid response" when POPMAIL is asked to fetch mail. >>The POP3 Log in the VAX account shows: >> > >I had a similiar problem and fixed it by compressing the suspect mailbox >on the VAX. My mail folder was quite large. > >MAIL> COMPRESS > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Wayne Jaco email: wayne@phoenixmicro.com >Information Systems Administrator >Phoenix Microsystems >991 Discovery Drive >Huntsville, AL 35806 >----------------------------------------------------------------- > It should be noted that when you compress your mail file there exists a time window where new mail delivered to the old mail file might not get copied to the new compressed version. You should therefore check the old mail file for any new mail that did not get copied to the new one before deleting it. -HWM ---------- Henry W. Miller Assistant Systems and Network Manager U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Mid Pacific Region 2800 Cottage Way MP1130 Sacramento, CA 95825 (916) 979-2382 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:02:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:02:15 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00993F88.222B5E20.27@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: MX Not getting MX-RECORDS correctly Philip Elcan writes: >I upgraded from UCX v3.1 to UCX v3.3 last Thursday (July 20). Now MX (v3.3) >seems to be having trouble getting MX_RECORDS from UCX. >I can no longer send mail to addresses that translate via MX records. For >example, das.inpe.br. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I don't have a solution, but here are two suggestions: 1. Upgrade to MX 4.1. 2. Make sure that the logical names "UCX$BIND_SERVER0*" are defined correctly. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:32:10 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: madison@tgv.com (Matt Madison) Subject: Re: MX Not getting MX-RECORDS correctly Date: 27 Jul 1995 15:15:33 GMT Message-ID: <3v8ail$e9t@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993F88.222B5E20.27@fred.bridgew.edu>, smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu writes: & Philip Elcan writes: & & >I upgraded from UCX v3.1 to UCX v3.3 last Thursday (July 20). Now MX (v3.3) & >seems to be having trouble getting MX_RECORDS from UCX. & >I can no longer send mail to addresses that translate via MX records. For & >example, das.inpe.br. Any help would be greatly appreciated! & & & & I don't have a solution, but here are two suggestions: & 1. Upgrade to MX 4.1. & 2. Make sure that the logical names "UCX$BIND_SERVER0*" are defined & correctly. Also, if you're running NETLIB V2.0, you should update to V2.0F (currently available only from PUBLIC.TGV.COM under [.MADISON.NETLIB]). There was a problem in the previous V2.0 releases with its translation of UCX's BIND_SERVER logical names (it would _only_ translate UCX$BIND_SERVER000, and no others). -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 457 5390 TGV, Inc. | 101 Cooper Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:11:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Error in appling "MAILSHR_PATCH" Date: 27 Jul 1995 21:15:27 GMT Message-ID: <3v8vlf$ga3@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993EB0.56E14360.1037@wizard.farinon.harris.com>, Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 writes: #I am attempting to installed the VMS Mail patch (MAILSHR_PATCH) on #our system, but the patch fails with the following error message: # # $ PATCH @ DIA0:[VMS_PATCHES]MAILSHR_PATCH_FOR_AT_VAX_61.COM # # (patch output) # # %PATCH-W-DIFVAL, memory contains different value than specified # %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored # # #I followed the modification instructions in the command procdure as such: # # - Commented out the default VMS 6.1 area. # - Un-commented the area for VMS 5.5-2. Our system is currently # VMS 5.5-2H4. # - Left in Hunter's modification for "MX%" since we are using the # MX Mail Exhange software. # # #I suspect that our VMS version of 5.5-2H4 is different enougth from 5.5-2 #to cause the problem (since the patch procdure has may differnet version #sections). I have no idea how to correct this if it is the problem, or #if there is another problem. Can you get MAILSHR.EXE from a VMS V5.5-2 system (instead of the V5.5-2H4 you've got), maybe from backup tape or V5.5-2 installation tape? -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:57:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: (Martin Egger) Subject: Re: POP fills WASTEBASKET folder Date: 27 Jul 1995 12:47:59 GMT Message-ID: <3v81tv$lno@aragorn.unibe.ch> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00993D41.E518B2A0.1@fred.bridgew.edu>, smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu writes: >We are using IUPOP3, MX 4.1, VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.1 on a VAX 4000-600A. >[...] >My question is this: Is there some way other than nagging the user >to login and type "EXIT" or "PURGE" at the "MAIL>" prompt to >empty the WASTEBASKET folder and reclaim the space on the VAX? Edit the IUPOP3.COM file in the IUPOP3 directory and modify the line where the server is started to include the -purge_reclaim parameter. Then IUPOP3 automatically does a purge/reclaim when the pop3 connection is terminated. It also causes the IUPOP3 to crash (!) when a user tries to read/write mail from VMS MAIL and Eudora at the same time. Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Martin Egger Phone: +41 (0)31 631 38 45 University of Bern, Computer Center Fax: +41 (0)31 631 38 65 Gesellschaftsstrasse 6, CH-3012 Bern eMail: egger@id.unibe.ch Switzerland Telex: 912643 pibe ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:23:44 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Christian Kupferschmid Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: How config UCX SMTP mail to send all mails to general mail_gw? Date: 28 Jul 1995 16:57:45 GMT Message-ID: <3vb4u9$316@pluto.htl-bw.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU This migth be a FAQ. Please be tolerant ;-) I have a Alpha Server 2000 4/200 with VMS V6.2 and UCX V3.3. All I want is UCX SMTP mail to send all mails to the general mail gateway in our domain. e.g. If I send a mail to smtp%"user$domain" and there exists a user with the same username on the local VMS system then UCX sends the mail to the user on the local system. Now I want UCX SMTP mail to send that mail to the mail gateway defined by DNS MX record. I tried several configurations with 'ucx set conf smtp /subst=.. /zone=.. /gate=..' but nothing worked. Is there anyone with an idea how to work this out? Thanks for any comments. Chris -- Technical University, HTL Brugg-Windisch, Switzerland Information Center HTL Brugg-Windisch |RFC-822: kupfer@htl-bw.ch Kupferschmid Christian |DECnet : 47931259::kupfer CH-5200 Brugg-Windisch | Whenever I tell you something this might be the truth, but sometimes it's not! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:49:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:40:02 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8245" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: mx-list@wku.edu Message-ID: <009942D3.9A0B60E0.22@swdev.si.com> Subject: Time Zone logical name Page 3-4 of the "Message Exchange Installation Guide" for V4.1 mentions various time zone logical names MX uses. In particular, the name SYS$TIME_ZONE is mentioned as being used by DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS. That may at one time have been the correct logical, but for V3.2 and V3.3, at least, it's UCX$TZ. Could MX be enhanced to include UCX's current time zone logical please? Thanks in advance. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:17:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:16:23 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009942D8.ADAAC041.3@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Time Zone logical name "Brian Tillman, x8245" writes: > >Page 3-4 of the "Message Exchange Installation Guide" for V4.1 mentions various >time zone logical names MX uses. In particular, the name SYS$TIME_ZONE is >mentioned as being used by DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS. > >That may at one time have been the correct logical, but for V3.2 and V3.3, at >least, it's UCX$TZ. Could MX be enhanced to include UCX's current time zone >logical please? Thanks in advance. Whenever I have time to work on MX, yes, I'll do that. Until then, just define it (or one of the others) by hand. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. Systems Analyst, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:38:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:35:44 +0200 From: "GWDGV1::MOELLER" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Zero length files (Warning) I've been a happy user of MX for about 2 years, mostly for the purpose of funneling Internet Mails into an older distribution system via the SITE mechanism. MX version is at V4.1 since last summer ... Lately, "MX Router" got stuck two times (maybe [?] as a consequence of the spool disk filling up temporarily) which triggered the following unpleasant chain of events: SMTP_SERVER kept receiving & queueing mails (_most_ of them non-empty files, which means that the disk wasn't _that_ full) until the queue file filled up. Next, someone decided to restart MX, which got the MX_ROUTER running again. Unfortunately, for files to be processed by some agent, MX_ROUTER has to create a "secondary" queue entry (in my case, *.SITE_INFO) which it couldn't ... so the next day, I had several thousand files prepared by MX_ROUTER for return to sender with the error message "Local queueing error", only that they all were left (due to lack of free queue entries) in files [MX.QUEUE.0]0.MSG_TEXT;* and [MX.QUEUE.0]0.HDR_INFO;* which only differed by version number. Surely it was an interesting job to make some sense out of this mess ... Some of the files were empty. This made me wonder and look at the MX sources. I didn't get very far yet, but anyway I hit upon WRITE_INFO in [.COMMON]INFO.B32, the routine being used to create & write the *.*_INFO spool files. It does test for the success of $CREATE [but of nothing else]. MX_ROUTER (PROCESS.B32) does not care for the return status of WRITE_INFO at all ... It's hard to not get sarcastic at this point, anyway I sure have some idea about what could be done to enhance the integrity of data passing through MX. Unfortunately I don't have BLISS installed and I'm not real eager to go into the trouble of learning to _write_ BLISS. HELP!!! Btw, I'd like to be proven wrong, but for now a presume that any zero-length file appearing in [MX.QUEUE.%] is lost Mail, properly acknowledged to the sender, but "written" to the bit bucket due to whatever error. Non-empty files _may_ contain all of the data ... Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 2011516 or -510, moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany PSI%(0262)45050859008::MOELLER Disclaimer: No claim intended! | moeller@decus.decus.de w.moeller@ieee.org