Archive-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 00:05:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 00:05:21 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099731A.1013B000.87@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Posting statistics for list MX-LIST during September 1995 Total number of posts: 145 Total number of posters: 60 Total number of subscribers: 281 Last modified: 28-SEP-1995 13:33 (Updated digest info) Welcome to MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. MX-List postings are also available in a daily digest format. To subscribe to the digest, send the following command in the body of a mail message to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SUBSCRIBE MX-List-Digest "Your real name here" The MX-List archives are maintained at ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To get a copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message with the body SEND MX-List.yyyy-mm to ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, where "yyyy" is the year and "mm" is the numeric representation of the month. For example, the message SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992. MX itself is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu in [.MX.MX041]. You can also get it via e-mail by sending the commands SEND MX and SEND FILESERV_TOOLS on separate lines in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To remove yourself from the mailing list, send the following command to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SIGNOFF MX-List MXserver supports a few other commands for your convenience. The following commands can be handled automatically by the list processor: SIGNOFF MX-List - to remove yourself from the list REVIEW MX-List - to get a list of subscribers QUERY MX-List - to get the status of your entry on the list SET MX-List DIGEST - to switch to digest mode SET MX-List NODIGEST - to switch to non-digest mode SET MX-List NOMAIL - to remain on the list but not receive mail SET MX-List MAIL - to resume receiving mail from the list SET MX-List CONCEAL - to not report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List NOCONCEAL - to report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List REPRO - to receive posts you make to MX-List SET MX-List NOREPRO - to not receive posts you make to MX-List LIST - to get a list of mailing lists served by WKUVX1 HELP - to receive a help file By default, subscriptions are set to MAIL, REPRO, NOCONCEAL. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer goathunter@LOKI.COM The LOKI Group, Inc. P.O. Box 9609 Bowling Green, KY 42102-9609 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 17:39:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 15:38:16 PDT From: Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: mcjohnson@wizard.farinon.harris.com Message-ID: <0099739C.64288580.9706@wizard.farinon.harris.com> Subject: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created I am installing MX 4.1 on a new system (no MX installed before) and at the end of the installation, the message queue was to be created. The error appears as such: ---- MX Message Queue Creation ------------------------- The MX message queue file will be created now. %MCP-I-QNEWQFL, creating new system message queue file for 5000 entries.... %MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation An error occurred creating the MX queue file. Please correct the problem and use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue. ---- I remember a discussion on this situation before, but not the specifics. Can someone let me know what the common cause of the above was and the common fix to it. Thanks for the information Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Johnson Manager - Engineering Computer Services Harris Corp./Farinon Div. 1691 Bayport Ave., San Carlos, CA 94070-5307 Voice - (415) 594-3530 FAX - (415) 594-3777 Internet - mike.johnson@farinon.harris.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:53:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:53:10 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0099743D.BA62E200.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: Nameserver MX-records? > So, another possible solution not discussed, would be to change > vax.psl.ku.dk's A RR to the same IP as axp.psl.ku.dk's A RR and not > create an MX RR at all. It's not a good idea to have two A records pointing to the same IP address. Use a CNAME record, as previously suggested, instead. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:09:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:08:48 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mcjohnson@wizard.farinon.harris.com Message-ID: <00997437.87DD2580.29@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 writes: > > > An error occurred creating the MX queue file. Please correct > the problem and use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue. > >---- > >I remember a discussion on this situation before, but not the specifics. Can >someone let me know what the common cause of the above was and the common fix to >it. > The fix is to do what it says: MCP QUEUE CREATE. The reason has to do with a flaky logical name definition during the VMSINSTAL session. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:19:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:17:57 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00997438.CED84982.57@uwwvax.uww.edu> Subject: Re: Nameserver MX-records? Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 11:42:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:41:43 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mfrazier@us.oracle.com Message-ID: <0099743C.20AE8B60.5@borgil.us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created |>%MCP-I-QNEWQFL, creating new system message queue file for 5000 entries.... |>%MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue |>-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation I had this exact thing happen when I installed MX 4.1 on a new OpenVMS 6.2 system. It turns out that the logicals were not setup on the system for some reason (didn't take the time to debug it). Just do a @sys$startup:mx_startup, and then you can then create a queue via MCP. Mike ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 12:44:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Fred R. Ziegler" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Need help with filtering subject lines.. Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:42:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi. We're trying to deal with an internal situation in which certain employees are abusing our MX/based email system. In short, to make the best of a bad situation, can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? Thanks in advance! Regards, Fred ---- Fred R. Ziegler mail: tel: +1-617-577-0100 x262 Aspen Technology, Inc. fax:+1-617-577-0303 telex: 948-038(ASPEN TECH) Ten Canal Park http:/www.aspentec.com/ Cambridge, Ma. 02141-2201 USA Internet Society Member (#1315080) since Feb 1992 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 14:01:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:00:34 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: frzmtdb@aspentec.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00997460.49FC8A20.16@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Need help with filtering subject lines.. > can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, > prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? It's not clear whether you want to prevent the local delivery of messages that originate elsewhere, or whether you want to prevent local users from sending messages with certain subjects. In either case, the best tool you have for tailoring MX is the SITE agent. Check it out. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:07:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:04:24 CST From: Tom Worlton Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00997460.D301D20D.667@anpns1.pns.anl.gov> Subject: RE: Need help with filtering subject lines.. From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 2-OCT-1995 14:48:49.59 To: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" CC: MX%"frzmtdb@aspentec.com",MX%"hardis@garnet.nist.gov" Subj: RE: Need help with filtering subject lines.. > can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, > prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? The program DELIVER can do what you want. It lets you interrupt the incoming message and process it any way you want. It should be available from the WKU ftp site. I have used it to automatically return information or to store information based on the subject line and it works fine. It does not interfere with MX. Tom Worlton tgworlton@anl.gov ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 16:19:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 17:17:43 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: frzmtdb@aspentec.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00997473.734B34E0.3@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Need help with filtering subject lines.. >> can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, >> prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? From later, private messages: > If I direct EVERYTHING through MX_SITE, and process by some clever DCL, > how then could I have them delivered by the proper (smtp, local, etc) > agents? Any examples would be MOST welcome... the manuals seem pretty > terse in this area. The following is based on something I did for another purpose. It is provided to help you form ideas, only. It still requires experimentation and modification. First, the trick to pass stuff through a SITE agent, and back again: In your MX configuration: DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user}@{addr}> <{user};{addr}@mod-in> DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user};{addr}> <{user}@{addr}> DEFINE PATH "mod-in" SITE/ROUTE="MOD-IN" Get it? Everything gets converted to an address that forces the mail to the site agent, except for a special address format that only the site agent knows that passes through MX normally. (In fact, I never tried it in this form, with a semicolon. Your milage may vary.) Now, what does the site agent do? $ SET NOON $ MX_ENTER := $MX_EXE:MX_SITE_IN $ $! Separate processing for different routes $ $ IF P1 .EQS. "OPTION-1" THEN GOTO Option_1_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "OPTION-2" THEN GOTO Option_2_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "MOD-IN" THEN GOTO Mod_In_Start $ EXIT 4 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ (Where Option_1 and Option_2 refer to other possible routines for other possible uses of the SITE agent.) $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ Mod_In_Start: $! $! Modify contents of dest-file (P3) to remove the "@MOD-IN" $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MOD.DAT 'P3' $! $! Modify contents of source-file (P2) to whatever it is you want done: $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MOD.DAT 'P2' $! $! Send processed file on its way (conditionally, if necessary) $! $ NEW_P2 = F$PARSE(";2",P2) $ NEW_P3 = F$PARSE(";2",P3) $ $ MX_ENTER 'NEW_P2' 'NEW_P3' "''P4'" $ $ DELETE 'NEW_P2' ! Delete the files created by calls $ DELETE 'NEW_P3' ! to EDIT/EDT $ $ EXIT 1 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- The file MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MOD.DAT contains: SUBSTITUTE/@MOD-IN>/>/ WHOLE /NOTYPE EXIT The file MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MOD.DAT contains whatever editing commands would be required to make the contents (including the Subject) of the mail message acceptable. Alternatively, you could run the VMS SEARCH command (or your own program) at this point to return a condition code depending on whether or not the naughty word is present (or more complicated criteria). - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 17:05:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 17:03:25 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997471.739FA860.208@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #146 MX-List Digest Mon, 2 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 146 Today's Topics: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created (3 msgs) Nameserver MX-records? (2 msgs) Need help with filtering subject lines.. (4 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 00:05:21 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Message-ID: <0099731A.1013B000.87@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Posting statistics for list MX-LIST during September 1995 Total number of posts: 145 Total number of posters: 60 Total number of subscribers: 281 Last modified: 28-SEP-1995 13:33 (Updated digest info) Welcome to MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. MX-List postings are also available in a daily digest format. To subscribe to the digest, send the following command in the body of a mail message to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SUBSCRIBE MX-List-Digest "Your real name here" The MX-List archives are maintained at ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To get a copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message with the body SEND MX-List.yyyy-mm to ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, where "yyyy" is the year and "mm" is the numeric representation of the month. For example, the message SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992. MX itself is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu in [.MX.MX041]. You can also get it via e-mail by sending the commands SEND MX and SEND FILESERV_TOOLS on separate lines in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To remove yourself from the mailing list, send the following command to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SIGNOFF MX-List MXserver supports a few other commands for your convenience. The following commands can be handled automatically by the list processor: SIGNOFF MX-List - to remove yourself from the list REVIEW MX-List - to get a list of subscribers QUERY MX-List - to get the status of your entry on the list SET MX-List DIGEST - to switch to digest mode SET MX-List NODIGEST - to switch to non-digest mode SET MX-List NOMAIL - to remain on the list but not receive mail SET MX-List MAIL - to resume receiving mail from the list SET MX-List CONCEAL - to not report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List NOCONCEAL - to report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List REPRO - to receive posts you make to MX-List SET MX-List NOREPRO - to not receive posts you make to MX-List LIST - to get a list of mailing lists served by WKUVX1 HELP - to receive a help file By default, subscriptions are set to MAIL, REPRO, NOCONCEAL. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer goathunter@LOKI.COM The LOKI Group, Inc. P.O. Box 9609 Bowling Green, KY 42102-9609 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 15:38:16 PDT From: Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 Subject: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <0099739C.64288580.9706@wizard.farinon.harris.com> I am installing MX 4.1 on a new system (no MX installed before) and at the end of the installation, the message queue was to be created. The error appears as such: ---- MX Message Queue Creation ------------------------- The MX message queue file will be created now. %MCP-I-QNEWQFL, creating new system message queue file for 5000 entries.... %MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation An error occurred creating the MX queue file. Please correct the problem and use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue. ---- I remember a discussion on this situation before, but not the specifics. Can someone let me know what the common cause of the above was and the common fix to it. Thanks for the information Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Johnson Manager - Engineering Computer Services Harris Corp./Farinon Div. 1691 Bayport Ave., San Carlos, CA 94070-5307 Voice - (415) 594-3530 FAX - (415) 594-3777 Internet - mike.johnson@farinon.harris.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:08:48 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <00997437.87DD2580.29@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 writes: > > > An error occurred creating the MX queue file. Please correct > the problem and use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue. > >---- > >I remember a discussion on this situation before, but not the specifics. Can >someone let me know what the common cause of the above was and the common fix to >it. > The fix is to do what it says: MCP QUEUE CREATE. The reason has to do with a flaky logical name definition during the VMSINSTAL session. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:41:43 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <0099743C.20AE8B60.5@borgil.us.oracle.com> |>%MCP-I-QNEWQFL, creating new system message queue file for 5000 entries.... |>%MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue |>-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation I had this exact thing happen when I installed MX 4.1 on a new OpenVMS 6.2 system. It turns out that the logicals were not setup on the system for some reason (didn't take the time to debug it). Just do a @sys$startup:mx_startup, and then you can then create a queue via MCP. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:53:10 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Nameserver MX-records? Message-ID: <0099743D.BA62E200.1@garnet.nist.gov> > So, another possible solution not discussed, would be to change > vax.psl.ku.dk's A RR to the same IP as axp.psl.ku.dk's A RR and not > create an MX RR at all. It's not a good idea to have two A records pointing to the same IP address. Use a CNAME record, as previously suggested, instead. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:17:57 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Subject: Re: Nameserver MX-records? Message-ID: <00997438.CED84982.57@uwwvax.uww.edu> Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:42:52 -0400 From: "Fred R. Ziegler" Subject: Need help with filtering subject lines.. Message-ID: Hi. We're trying to deal with an internal situation in which certain employees are abusing our MX/based email system. In short, to make the best of a bad situation, can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? Thanks in advance! Regards, Fred ---- Fred R. Ziegler mail: tel: +1-617-577-0100 x262 Aspen Technology, Inc. fax:+1-617-577-0303 telex: 948-038(ASPEN TECH) Ten Canal Park http:/www.aspentec.com/ Cambridge, Ma. 02141-2201 USA Internet Society Member (#1315080) since Feb 1992 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:00:34 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Need help with filtering subject lines.. Message-ID: <00997460.49FC8A20.16@garnet.nist.gov> > can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, > prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? It's not clear whether you want to prevent the local delivery of messages that originate elsewhere, or whether you want to prevent local users from sending messages with certain subjects. In either case, the best tool you have for tailoring MX is the SITE agent. Check it out. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:04:24 CST From: Tom Worlton Subject: Re: Need help with filtering subject lines.. Message-ID: <00997460.D301D20D.667@anpns1.pns.anl.gov> From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 2-OCT-1995 14:48:49.59 To: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" CC: MX%"frzmtdb@aspentec.com",MX%"hardis@garnet.nist.gov" Subj: RE: Need help with filtering subject lines.. > can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, > prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? The program DELIVER can do what you want. It lets you interrupt the incoming message and process it any way you want. It should be available from the WKU ftp site. I have used it to automatically return information or to store information based on the subject line and it works fine. It does not interfere with MX. Tom Worlton tgworlton@anl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 17:17:43 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Need help with filtering subject lines.. Message-ID: <00997473.734B34E0.3@garnet.nist.gov> >> can anyone suggest a mechanism, or have a procedure to, >> prevent the delivery of email messages based upon subject string? From later, private messages: > If I direct EVERYTHING through MX_SITE, and process by some clever DCL, > how then could I have them delivered by the proper (smtp, local, etc) > agents? Any examples would be MOST welcome... the manuals seem pretty > terse in this area. The following is based on something I did for another purpose. It is provided to help you form ideas, only. It still requires experimentation and modification. First, the trick to pass stuff through a SITE agent, and back again: In your MX configuration: DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user}@{addr}> <{user};{addr}@mod-in> DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user};{addr}> <{user}@{addr}> DEFINE PATH "mod-in" SITE/ROUTE="MOD-IN" Get it? Everything gets converted to an address that forces the mail to the site agent, except for a special address format that only the site agent knows that passes through MX normally. (In fact, I never tried it in this form, with a semicolon. Your milage may vary.) Now, what does the site agent do? $ SET NOON $ MX_ENTER := $MX_EXE:MX_SITE_IN $ $! Separate processing for different routes $ $ IF P1 .EQS. "OPTION-1" THEN GOTO Option_1_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "OPTION-2" THEN GOTO Option_2_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "MOD-IN" THEN GOTO Mod_In_Start $ EXIT 4 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ (Where Option_1 and Option_2 refer to other possible routines for other possible uses of the SITE agent.) $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ Mod_In_Start: $! $! Modify contents of dest-file (P3) to remove the "@MOD-IN" $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MOD.DAT 'P3' $! $! Modify contents of source-file (P2) to whatever it is you want done: $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MOD.DAT 'P2' $! $! Send processed file on its way (conditionally, if necessary) $! $ NEW_P2 = F$PARSE(";2",P2) $ NEW_P3 = F$PARSE(";2",P3) $ $ MX_ENTER 'NEW_P2' 'NEW_P3' "''P4'" $ $ DELETE 'NEW_P2' ! Delete the files created by calls $ DELETE 'NEW_P3' ! to EDIT/EDT $ $ EXIT 1 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- The file MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MOD.DAT contains: SUBSTITUTE/@MOD-IN>/>/ WHOLE /NOTYPE EXIT The file MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MOD.DAT contains whatever editing commands would be required to make the contents (including the Subject) of the mail message acceptable. Alternatively, you could run the VMS SEARCH command (or your own program) at this point to return a condition code depending on whether or not the naughty word is present (or more complicated criteria). - Jonathan ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #146 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 18:31:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 19:35:15 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIst@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00997486.A9CC2B60.46@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: Access denied erron from LIstserver I have noticed this error being discussed in this list many times. I did all I could think of but all in vain. It is a protected list, only the owner can add someone to the list. Once the owner adds any subscriber, the new subscriber gets the file MLIST_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT file. And owner can see the user listed by the REVIEW command to the list-request. But when the user tries to post something he gets the following error: ***************************************************************** Note: this message was generated automatically. The following error(s) occurred during local delivery of your message. Error in delivery to mailing list YORKTALK: access denied; send subscription requests to YORKTALK-Request@ycvax.york.cuny.edu ***************************************************************** At mcp if I do sho list this is what I get: _____________________________________________________________________ MCP> sho list yorktalk Mailing lists: Name: YORKTALK Owner: "cgk@YCVAX.YORK.CUNY.EDU" Reply-to: NOList, Sender Archive: USERDISK2:[ARCHIVE.YORKTALK] Add message: YORKTALK_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT Description: Forum for Discussion of York Faculty Issues Errors-to: cgk@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther Private list: No Case sensitive: Yes Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:W,WORLD) *********** ______________________________________________________________ When I turned on Debug this is what I got: ================================================================= 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.16 Processing queue entry number 24 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.58 Checking local name: yorktalk 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.58 This is a mailing list. 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.67 FORWARD_TO_LIST: Message is from: Kamrul Ahsan 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.68 CHECK_ACCESS: checking kamrul@YCVAX.YORK.CUNY.EDU for access mask=00000002 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.68 CHECK_ACCESS: Access check failed. Requested access denied. 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.68 FORWARD_TO_LIST: Har, har: access denied. 2-OCT-1995 19:01:40.60 All done with this entry. ================================================================= I am using MX V 4.1 on VMS 5.5. UCX 2.0D Thank you for any hint. Kamrul Ahsan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 22:44:18 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Subject: MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying Date: 3 Oct 1995 03:03:10 GMT Message-ID: <44q95e$d2i@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, After rebooting over the weekend, the process that I had created to restart the mx_local process every 15 minutes didn't get started. I didn't discover this until late evening..so I started MX_local which would run for a while and then dye. It took about 10 re-starts to catch up with the mail (about 1000 messages in a day and a half). In any case I monitored the MX_LOCAL process with the Show proc/cont command and watched it dye each time. I then examined the Accounting file and each time it died with the LIB-F-INSVIRMEM "insufficient virtual memory" problem. Both the account running the process and the VIRTUALPAGECNT are set high but according to a DSN Link search, the only reference to this is for the callable mail problem which is suppose to be addressed in a future release (the message was for version 6.1 vms). Since 6.2 is a future release it was clearly not addressed in this future release..so I wonder how long future is? In any case, I had a huge number of messages destined for the postmaster. I did a queue purge and then a queue/compress and apparently all the postmaster messages just disappeared form the queue. However upon examining the [.queue.x] accounts, there are numerous messages there. Upon examining some of these messages I find that they all have text added at the beginning such as:" An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. this list is in a special format that allows software such as LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --->error description Error for: pcsa%sphma2$scooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Error Code: 2 Error-Text: Error in delivery to user PCSA%SPHMA2$SCOOPER no more context blocks The other such error message was similar but with a text of "Illegal event flag cluster" I have no clue as to what is causing these errors...there are some 300 such messages that have this header and apparently were not delivered... however, the address are normal and nothing appears to be wrong. I'm sure it is somehow related to the fact that the messages came in while the MX_local process was dead...but I have a lot of users complaining about not receiveing their e-mail so I need to resolve this as soon as possible and would greatly appreciate any help. the version of the MX server is the latest version...not sure what the number is but I recently checked it and it is the latest. thanks in advance for any help you can provide Charlie ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 01:59:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 08:56:40 +0200 From: Pierre BRU <"tlsax5::system"@spotimage.com> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Message-ID: <009974F6.9E2C2380.1@mailgate.spotimage.com> Subject: RE: MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying Hi, > --->error description > Error for: pcsa%sphma2$scooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu > Error Code: 2 > Error-Text: Error in delivery to user PCSA%SPHMA2$SCOOPER > no more context blocks I have no idea for the main problem (dying MX_local) but for the part pointed out (pcsa%...) I encountered this problem when some user asked for message notification on his/her Macintosh with Mail for Macintosh (PATHWORKS for Macintosh) and that the machine in the cluster that execute the 'forward' (notification is made by a forward to that stange address) doest NOT have PATHWORKS installed or running. Pierre BRU System & Network Mgr SPOT IMAGE Internet: system@spotimage.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 04:34:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Date: 3 Oct 1995 08:39:47 GMT Message-ID: <44qssj$d92@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0099739C.64288580.9706@wizard.farinon.harris.com>, Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 writes: =I am installing MX 4.1 on a new system (no MX installed before) and at the end =of the installation, the message queue was to be created. The error appears as =such: = =---- = = MX Message Queue Creation = ------------------------- = = The MX message queue file will be created now. = =%MCP-I-QNEWQFL, creating new system message queue file for 5000 entries.... =%MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue =-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation = = An error occurred creating the MX queue file. Please correct = the problem and use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue. = =---- = =I remember a discussion on this situation before, but not the specifics. Can =someone let me know what the common cause of the above was A bug in the installation procedure. =and the common fix to it. Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue."? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 08:16:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 06:15:08 PDT From: Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: mcjohnson@wizard.farinon.harris.com Message-ID: <009974E0.0DA5DB00.10521@wizard.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Carl J Lydick writes: >A bug in the installation procedure. >=and the common fix to it. >Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation >procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay >attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the >queue."? I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". Based on other constructive comments, I was lead to the solution that included the above command (but not the only command). My mistake was not indicating to the "gods" I did try the command and it did not work. Sunday was a long day and us "mortals" tend to forget things - my apologies to those who had to read my earlier message and some of the responses. Mike ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 17:05:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 17:04:29 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099753A.C4044EE0.779@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #147 MX-List Digest Tue, 3 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 147 Today's Topics: Access denied erron from LIstserver MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created (2 msgs) MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying (2 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 19:35:15 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Subject: Access denied erron from LIstserver Message-ID: <00997486.A9CC2B60.46@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> I have noticed this error being discussed in this list many times. I did all I could think of but all in vain. It is a protected list, only the owner can add someone to the list. Once the owner adds any subscriber, the new subscriber gets the file MLIST_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT file. And owner can see the user listed by the REVIEW command to the list-request. But when the user tries to post something he gets the following error: ***************************************************************** Note: this message was generated automatically. The following error(s) occurred during local delivery of your message. Error in delivery to mailing list YORKTALK: access denied; send subscription requests to YORKTALK-Request@ycvax.york.cuny.edu ***************************************************************** At mcp if I do sho list this is what I get: _____________________________________________________________________ MCP> sho list yorktalk Mailing lists: Name: YORKTALK Owner: "cgk@YCVAX.YORK.CUNY.EDU" Reply-to: NOList, Sender Archive: USERDISK2:[ARCHIVE.YORKTALK] Add message: YORKTALK_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT Description: Forum for Discussion of York Faculty Issues Errors-to: cgk@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther Private list: No Case sensitive: Yes Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:W,WORLD) *********** ______________________________________________________________ When I turned on Debug this is what I got: ================================================================= 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.16 Processing queue entry number 24 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.58 Checking local name: yorktalk 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.58 This is a mailing list. 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.67 FORWARD_TO_LIST: Message is from: Kamrul Ahsan 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.68 CHECK_ACCESS: checking kamrul@YCVAX.YORK.CUNY.EDU for access mask=00000002 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.68 CHECK_ACCESS: Access check failed. Requested access denied. 2-OCT-1995 19:01:38.68 FORWARD_TO_LIST: Har, har: access denied. 2-OCT-1995 19:01:40.60 All done with this entry. ================================================================= I am using MX V 4.1 on VMS 5.5. UCX 2.0D Thank you for any hint. Kamrul Ahsan ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 1995 08:39:47 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <44qssj$d92@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <0099739C.64288580.9706@wizard.farinon.harris.com>, Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 writes: =I am installing MX 4.1 on a new system (no MX installed before) and at the end =of the installation, the message queue was to be created. The error appears as =such: = =---- = = MX Message Queue Creation = ------------------------- = = The MX message queue file will be created now. = =%MCP-I-QNEWQFL, creating new system message queue file for 5000 entries.... =%MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue =-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation = = An error occurred creating the MX queue file. Please correct = the problem and use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue. = =---- = =I remember a discussion on this situation before, but not the specifics. Can =someone let me know what the common cause of the above was A bug in the installation procedure. =and the common fix to it. Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the queue."? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 06:15:08 PDT From: Mike Johnson (415) 594-3530 Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <009974E0.0DA5DB00.10521@wizard.farinon.harris.com> Carl J Lydick writes: >A bug in the installation procedure. >=and the common fix to it. >Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation >procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay >attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the >queue."? I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". Based on other constructive comments, I was lead to the solution that included the above command (but not the only command). My mistake was not indicating to the "gods" I did try the command and it did not work. Sunday was a long day and us "mortals" tend to forget things - my apologies to those who had to read my earlier message and some of the responses. Mike ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 1995 03:03:10 GMT From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Subject: MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying Message-ID: <44q95e$d2i@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> Hi, After rebooting over the weekend, the process that I had created to restart the mx_local process every 15 minutes didn't get started. I didn't discover this until late evening..so I started MX_local which would run for a while and then dye. It took about 10 re-starts to catch up with the mail (about 1000 messages in a day and a half). In any case I monitored the MX_LOCAL process with the Show proc/cont command and watched it dye each time. I then examined the Accounting file and each time it died with the LIB-F-INSVIRMEM "insufficient virtual memory" problem. Both the account running the process and the VIRTUALPAGECNT are set high but according to a DSN Link search, the only reference to this is for the callable mail problem which is suppose to be addressed in a future release (the message was for version 6.1 vms). Since 6.2 is a future release it was clearly not addressed in this future release..so I wonder how long future is? In any case, I had a huge number of messages destined for the postmaster. I did a queue purge and then a queue/compress and apparently all the postmaster messages just disappeared form the queue. However upon examining the [.queue.x] accounts, there are numerous messages there. Upon examining some of these messages I find that they all have text added at the beginning such as:" An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. this list is in a special format that allows software such as LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --->error description Error for: pcsa%sphma2$scooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Error Code: 2 Error-Text: Error in delivery to user PCSA%SPHMA2$SCOOPER no more context blocks The other such error message was similar but with a text of "Illegal event flag cluster" I have no clue as to what is causing these errors...there are some 300 such messages that have this header and apparently were not delivered... however, the address are normal and nothing appears to be wrong. I'm sure it is somehow related to the fact that the messages came in while the MX_local process was dead...but I have a lot of users complaining about not receiveing their e-mail so I need to resolve this as soon as possible and would greatly appreciate any help. the version of the MX server is the latest version...not sure what the number is but I recently checked it and it is the latest. thanks in advance for any help you can provide Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 08:56:40 +0200 From: Pierre BRU <"tlsax5::system"@spotimage.com> Subject: Re: MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying Message-ID: <009974F6.9E2C2380.1@mailgate.spotimage.com> Hi, > --->error description > Error for: pcsa%sphma2$scooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu > Error Code: 2 > Error-Text: Error in delivery to user PCSA%SPHMA2$SCOOPER > no more context blocks I have no idea for the main problem (dying MX_local) but for the part pointed out (pcsa%...) I encountered this problem when some user asked for message notification on his/her Macintosh with Mail for Macintosh (PATHWORKS for Macintosh) and that the machine in the cluster that execute the 'forward' (notification is made by a forward to that stange address) doest NOT have PATHWORKS installed or running. Pierre BRU System & Network Mgr SPOT IMAGE Internet: system@spotimage.com ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #147 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 17:38:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 15:36:13 CST From: Gary Lee McDonald Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099752E.6FAA5201.3025@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: smtp agents looping...? Date sent: 3-OCT-1995 15:31:29 A little before noon we noticed that our mail que was backing up. We have 2 nodes in our cluster running MX, with 4 smtp agents on each. We noticed that 1 agent on one, and 2 on the other were in tight cpu loops. All were bouncing around in pc range from 80461b68-80461b94. Anything to do but restart? Thanks! Alpha OpenVMS v6.2 and MX v4.1 UMKC GaryM. 5100 Rockhill Road Univ. of Mo. at K.C. Cockefair Hall (816) 235-1183 Room 2, Gary Lee McDonald MCDONALD @ CCTR.UMKC.EDU Kansas City, Mo. 64110 POSTMASTER @ CCTR.UMKC.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 18:52:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mx-list@madgoat.com From: chrisn@mv.pi.csiro.au (Christopher Nutt SYSMGR + Network Admin) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 18:52:06 CDT SIGNOFF MX-List SIGNOFF MX-List-Digest Thanks muchly. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 04:44:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Date: 4 Oct 1995 05:24:38 GMT Message-ID: <44t5qm$66t@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU =>Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation =>procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay =>attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the =>queue."? = =I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". Too stupid to use the on-line help, eh? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 11:09:39 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 12:11:07 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009975DA.F2B1F6C0.9@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: RE: Access denied erron from LIstserver > > I have noticed this error being discussed in this list > many times. I did all I could think of but all in vain. > It is a protected list, only the owner can add someone to > the list. Once the owner adds any subscriber, the new > subscriber gets the file MLIST_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT file. And owner can > see the user listed by the REVIEW command to the list-request. > > > But when the user tries to post something he gets the > following error: > > ***************************************************************** > > Note: this message was generated automatically. > > The following error(s) occurred during local delivery of your message. > > Error in delivery to mailing list YORKTALK: > access denied; send subscription requests to YORKTALK-Request@ycvax.york.cuny.edu > > ***************************************************************** I have resolved the problem by checking the case of the user being added. The user is receiving MLIST_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT file, because VMS Mail did not care about the Case of the username. However, when the user posts something to the List his/her userid gets converted to lower case and matched against the names in the List. Sorry for posting this question without enough research done. Kamrul Ahsan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 11:30:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:28:31 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: mfrazier@us.oracle.com Message-ID: <009975CC.9DDFD300.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created |>=>Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation |>=>procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay |>=>attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the |>=>queue."? |>= |>=I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". |> |>Too stupid to use the on-line help, eh? That's it... Carl, you are an arrogant SOB. The idea of a mailing list and newsgroups are to ASSIST people. Not everyone has your supposed knowledge, and frankly, I'm sick of your elitist posts. To be honest, I don't like posting anything to this list because of you, and I'm sure there are others that are the same way (I'm only subscribed so that I can read what others are doing, and I reply to people individually if at all). I feel I have pretty thick skin, but why should I hang my butt out just to have you take pot shots at it, like you just did with this guy? I don't have a problem with flames in general, but you attack people for absolutely no reason (other than you feel you need to prove yourself). This guy came to the list for help. Yes, the install did say to run MCP QUEUE CREATE, but guess what, running MCP QUEUE CREATE will fail if that is all you do (as YOU have so arrogantly suggested). You have to get the logicals defined first due to a bug for the MCP QUEUE CREATE to work, and for someone that is new to MX, this may not be as obvious as it is to someone as high and mighty as you. So before you start jumping all over somebody for being stupid, why don't you make sure that your flaming posts will work in the first place. With that said, I'll go back to lurking mode, and wish any of you that decide to post, the best of luck with our friend Carl... Mike FWIW: Carl, feel free to flame this post all you want. You won't get another comment from me... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 12:14:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Robert H. McClanahan" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:12:44 -0600 Subject: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Several months ago, there was discussion here about the MX queue directories filling up with files. I regret that I didn't follow that thread closely, nor did I save any of the messages. However, yesterday, I ran into the problem. MX would not accept messages because the queue was full. I did an MCP QUEUE COMPRESS, which allowed MX to receive messages again, but the message files are left in the QUEUE directories. From the dates on the messages, it seems as though this problem may have started when we started using MX with SMTP (we had been a UUCP only site prior to that). I also notice that after the QUEUE COMPRESS, MX is sending and receiving messages, but the files are still being left in the QUEUE dirs. I run MX 4.1 on VAX/VMS 6.1 over CMU/IP V6.6-5A. Is there some config that I have missed? My config files follow: MX_STARTUP_INFO.DAT -------------------------------- MX_FLQ_NODE_NAME\/SYSTEM/EXEC\COYOTE MX_NODE_NAME\/SYSTEM/EXEC\tis.aecc.com MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST\/SYSTEM/EXEC\@tis.aecc.com MX_FLQ_DIR\/SYSTEM/EXEC\SYS$SYSDEVICE:[MX.QUEUE] MX_ROUTER_DIR\/SYSTEM/EXEC\MX_ROOT:[ROUTER] MX_LOCAL_DIR\/SYSTEM/EXEC\MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] MX_MCP_HELPLIB\/SYSTEM\MX_DIR:MX_MCP_HELPLIB MX_ALIAS_HELPLIB\/SYSTEM\MX_DIR:MX_ALIAS_HELPLIB MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS\/SYSTEM/EXEC\12 MX_LOGICALS.DAT ------------------------- 001NETLIB:* 002ROUTER:*=1 003LOCAL:*=1 004SMTP:*=1 004SMTP_SERVER:* 004UUCP:*=1 005MLF:* +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 12:27:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Estascy@euphoria.com Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover! Date: 4 Oct 1995 15:29:57 GMT Message-ID: <44u99l$mva@globe.indirect.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I.C.P., Suite 578-101, 5360 E. Bay Dr., Clwr., FL 34624 The Euphoria Tape Do The Euphoria Tape alone the first time, and then with a lover. It's a phenomenon you will feel within the first 3 minutes of use -- what you feel the rest of the time is unbelievable. The Euphoria Tape. 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Offered only to adults 18 years or older. ******************* IntraNet Cyber Products Suite 578-101 5360 E. Bay Dr. Clearwater, FL 34624 ******************* Tape Duplication prohibited. $2.00 for Scientific Treatment. Copyright 1995 Intranet Cyber Products, All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------------------------------- -- rogue tip#638 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 13:52:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 14:51:52 EST From: jcarpenter@cornerstone.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009975F1.677859AC.1437@cornerstone.edu> Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created > That's it... > > Carl, you are an arrogant SOB. The idea of a mailing list and > newsgroups are to ASSIST people. Not everyone has your supposed > knowledge, and frankly, I'm sick of your elitist posts. To be honest, [snip] > With that said, I'll go back to lurking mode, and wish any of you that > decide to post, the best of luck with our friend Carl... > > Mike Thank you Mike for saying what I've been thinking ever since I first subscribed to this list. I have un-subscribed to lists before because of people like "our friend Carl," and will have done so in this case by the time this message is posted. Jim ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 17:04:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 17:03:32 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997603.CCC0D7A0.633@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #148 MX-List Digest Wed, 4 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 148 Today's Topics: Access denied erron from LIstserver Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover! MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created (3 msgs) QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... smtp agents looping...? Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 18:52:06 CDT From: chrisn@mv.pi.csiro.au (Christopher Nutt SYSMGR + Network Admin) Subject: Message-ID: SIGNOFF MX-List SIGNOFF MX-List-Digest Thanks muchly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 12:11:07 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Subject: Re: Access denied erron from LIstserver Message-ID: <009975DA.F2B1F6C0.9@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> > > I have noticed this error being discussed in this list > many times. I did all I could think of but all in vain. > It is a protected list, only the owner can add someone to > the list. Once the owner adds any subscriber, the new > subscriber gets the file MLIST_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT file. And owner can > see the user listed by the REVIEW command to the list-request. > > > But when the user tries to post something he gets the > following error: > > ***************************************************************** > > Note: this message was generated automatically. > > The following error(s) occurred during local delivery of your message. > > Error in delivery to mailing list YORKTALK: > access denied; send subscription requests to YORKTALK-Request@ycvax.york.cuny.edu > > ***************************************************************** I have resolved the problem by checking the case of the user being added. The user is receiving MLIST_ADD_MESSAGE.TXT file, because VMS Mail did not care about the Case of the username. However, when the user posts something to the List his/her userid gets converted to lower case and matched against the names in the List. Sorry for posting this question without enough research done. Kamrul Ahsan ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 1995 15:29:57 GMT From: Estascy@euphoria.com Subject: Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover! Message-ID: <44u99l$mva@globe.indirect.com> I.C.P., Suite 578-101, 5360 E. Bay Dr., Clwr., FL 34624 The Euphoria Tape Do The Euphoria Tape alone the first time, and then with a lover. It's a phenomenon you will feel within the first 3 minutes of use -- what you feel the rest of the time is unbelievable. The Euphoria Tape. It was first whispered about on college campuses, and only experimented with in seclusion, or among close friends in private settings, but it has now become a cult rush and is considered the next passion of our Cyber lifestyles. The Euphoria Tape. Not a drug, not a chemical, but an audio stimulation of brain centers controlling pleasure. And agony. And ecstacy. The buzz. An audio mesmer signal strokes the base of the mind, choking out pain sensations and producing the violent flow of... euphoria. The Euphoria Tape. Copies have changed hands from friends to friends to other friends. It is not regulated, there are no laws yet restricting use of The Euphoria Tape. The Euphoria Tape is rushing the masses. ************************************************* Stereo audio cassette. Scientific treatment included. Shipped immediately upon receipt of $11.88 personal check or money order. Absolute satisfaction guaranteed (and experienced) or full purchase price refunded. Offered only to adults 18 years or older. ******************* IntraNet Cyber Products Suite 578-101 5360 E. Bay Dr. Clearwater, FL 34624 ******************* Tape Duplication prohibited. $2.00 for Scientific Treatment. Copyright 1995 Intranet Cyber Products, All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------------------------------ -- rogue tip#638 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 1995 05:24:38 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <44t5qm$66t@gap.cco.caltech.edu> =>Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation =>procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay =>attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the =>queue."? = =I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". Too stupid to use the on-line help, eh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:28:31 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <009975CC.9DDFD300.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> |>=>Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation |>=>procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay |>=>attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the |>=>queue."? |>= |>=I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". |> |>Too stupid to use the on-line help, eh? That's it... Carl, you are an arrogant SOB. The idea of a mailing list and newsgroups are to ASSIST people. Not everyone has your supposed knowledge, and frankly, I'm sick of your elitist posts. To be honest, I don't like posting anything to this list because of you, and I'm sure there are others that are the same way (I'm only subscribed so that I can read what others are doing, and I reply to people individually if at all). I feel I have pretty thick skin, but why should I hang my butt out just to have you take pot shots at it, like you just did with this guy? I don't have a problem with flames in general, but you attack people for absolutely no reason (other than you feel you need to prove yourself). This guy came to the list for help. Yes, the install did say to run MCP QUEUE CREATE, but guess what, running MCP QUEUE CREATE will fail if that is all you do (as YOU have so arrogantly suggested). You have to get the logicals defined first due to a bug for the MCP QUEUE CREATE to work, and for someone that is new to MX, this may not be as obvious as it is to someone as high and mighty as you. So before you start jumping all over somebody for being stupid, why don't you make sure that your flaming posts will work in the first place. With that said, I'll go back to lurking mode, and wish any of you that decide to post, the best of luck with our friend Carl... Mike FWIW: Carl, feel free to flame this post all you want. You won't get another comment from me... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 14:51:52 EST From: jcarpenter@cornerstone.edu Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <009975F1.677859AC.1437@cornerstone.edu> > That's it... > > Carl, you are an arrogant SOB. The idea of a mailing list and > newsgroups are to ASSIST people. Not everyone has your supposed > knowledge, and frankly, I'm sick of your elitist posts. To be honest, [snip] > With that said, I'll go back to lurking mode, and wish any of you that > decide to post, the best of luck with our friend Carl... > > Mike Thank you Mike for saying what I've been thinking ever since I first subscribed to this list. I have un-subscribed to lists before because of people like "our friend Carl," and will have done so in this case by the time this message is posted. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:12:44 -0600 From: "Robert H. McClanahan" Subject: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... Message-ID: Several months ago, there was discussion here about the MX queue directories filling up with files. I regret that I didn't follow that thread closely, nor did I save any of the messages. However, yesterday, I ran into the problem. MX would not accept messages because the queue was full. I did an MCP QUEUE COMPRESS, which allowed MX to receive messages again, but the message files are left in the QUEUE directories. From the dates on the messages, it seems as though this problem may have started when we started using MX with SMTP (we had been a UUCP only site prior to that). I also notice that after the QUEUE COMPRESS, MX is sending and receiving messages, but the files are still being left in the QUEUE dirs. I run MX 4.1 on VAX/VMS 6.1 over CMU/IP V6.6-5A. Is there some config that I have missed? My config files follow: MX_STARTUP_INFO.DAT ------------------------------- MX_FLQ_NODE_NAME\/SYSTEM/EXEC\COYOTE MX_NODE_NAME\/SYSTEM/EXEC\tis.aecc.com MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST\/SYSTEM/EXEC\@tis.aecc.com MX_FLQ_DIR\/SYSTEM/EXEC\SYS$SYSDEVICE:[MX.QUEUE] MX_ROUTER_DIR\/SYSTEM/EXEC\MX_ROOT:[ROUTER] MX_LOCAL_DIR\/SYSTEM/EXEC\MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] MX_MCP_HELPLIB\/SYSTEM\MX_DIR:MX_MCP_HELPLIB MX_ALIAS_HELPLIB\/SYSTEM\MX_DIR:MX_ALIAS_HELPLIB MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS\/SYSTEM/EXEC\12 MX_LOGICALS.DAT ------------------------- 001NETLIB:* 002ROUTER:*=1 003LOCAL:*=1 004SMTP:*=1 004SMTP_SERVER:* 004UUCP:*=1 005MLF:* +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 15:36:13 CST From: Gary Lee McDonald Subject: smtp agents looping...? Message-ID: <0099752E.6FAA5201.3025@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Date sent: 3-OCT-1995 15:31:29 A little before noon we noticed that our mail que was backing up. We have 2 nodes in our cluster running MX, with 4 smtp agents on each. We noticed that 1 agent on one, and 2 on the other were in tight cpu loops. All were bouncing around in pc range from 80461b68-80461b94. Anything to do but restart? Thanks! Alpha OpenVMS v6.2 and MX v4.1 UMKC GaryM. 5100 Rockhill Road Univ. of Mo. at K.C. Cockefair Hall (816) 235-1183 Room 2, Gary Lee McDonald MCDONALD @ CCTR.UMKC.EDU Kansas City, Mo. 64110 POSTMASTER @ CCTR.UMKC.EDU ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #148 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 22:10:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Madison@MadGoat.com (Matt Madison) Subject: Re: MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying Date: 5 Oct 1995 02:46:03 GMT Message-ID: <44vgtf$i29@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <44q95e$d2i@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>, cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: & Hi, & & After rebooting over the weekend, the process that I had created & to restart the mx_local process every 15 minutes didn't get started. I didn't & discover this until late evening..so I started MX_local which would run & for a while and then dye. [...] & Error-Text: Error in delivery to user PCSA%SPHMA2$SCOOPER & no more context blocks & & The other such error message was similar but with a text of & "Illegal event flag cluster" & & & & I have no clue as to what is causing these errors...there are some 300 & such messages that have this header and apparently were not delivered... & however, the address are normal and nothing appears to be wrong. I've seen this problem before with mail being delivered to PCSA% addresses, and tracked it down to a resource leak in PCSA_MAILSHR. If you have a lot of mail going to PCSA% addresses (either directly or indirectly through VMS MAIL forwarding entries), this could be the problem. I'm not sure what version of PATHWORKS it was that I looked at, but you might check with DSNlink again to see if a fix has been issued for it. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 457 5390 TGV, Inc. | 101 Cooper Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 09:34:16 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:33:45 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00997696.83182520.6@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... > Several months ago, there was discussion here about the MX queue > directories filling up with files. I regret that I didn't follow that > thread closely, nor did I save any of the messages. However, yesterday, I > ran into the problem. MX would not accept messages because the queue was > full. Wait -- which was full? The queue (which has a finite number of slots), or the file directories. > I did an MCP QUEUE COMPRESS, which allowed MX to receive messages > again, but the message files are left in the QUEUE directories. From the > dates on the messages, it seems as though this problem may have > started when we started using MX with SMTP (we had been a UUCP only > site prior to that). Clarify -- is the problem that: 1) SMTP mail is not being delivered, so it remains queued. 2) After SMTP mail is delivered, it's not being purged 3) There are lots of junk files laying around that have no relationship to what's in the queue (as seen by the MCP QUEUE SHOW /A/F command). - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 09:50:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:40:03 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Info-MadGoat@madgoat.com, mx-list@wku.edu Message-ID: <00997697.643A1E00.2@swdev.si.com> Subject: Possible NETLIB V2.0H problem - KEYNOTFOU I installed NETLIB V2.0H yesterday, upgrading from V1.7. I had tried earlier releases of V2.0, but all had a problem with communicating with cc:Mail's SMTPlink. Matt fixed that problem for V2.0H, so I installed it and have not seen that error again. I have, however, started seeing a problem that did occur in preevious releases of V2.0, and that is the message LIB%-E-KEYNOTFOU, as in the following: Entry: 1, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 0 bytes Created: 5-OCT-1995 09:40:39.94, expires 4-NOV-1995 09:40:39.94 Last modified 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.72 SMTP entry #2, status: READY, size: 0 bytes, waiting for retry until 5-OCT-19 95 09:51:25.17 Created: 5-OCT-1995 09:40:21.01, expires 4-NOV-1995 09:40:39.94 Last modified 5-OCT-1995 09:41:25.21 Recipient #1: , Route=smtpgwy.si.com Error count=1 Last error: %LIB-E-KEYNOTFOU, key not found in tree When I last reported this (and someone also reported it in the MX-List in January, but did not receive an answer that I found), Carl Lydick suggested I list the contents of the debug log. Here it is: 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.02 Processing queue entry number 2 on node AGVAX 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.90 Recipient: , route=smtpgwy.s i.com 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.91 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name smtpgwy.si.com 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.92 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000E4A 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.94 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=001582FA 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.94 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=001582FA 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.94 Recipient status=0C27804A for 5-OCT-1995 09:41:25.17 1 rcpts need retry, next try 5-OCT-1995 09:51:25.17 5-OCT-1995 09:41:25.22 *** End of processing pass *** In the above, the statuses translate to: $ say f$mess("%x00000E4A") %SYSTEM-E-UNSUPPORTED, unsupported operation or function $ say f$mess("%x001582FA") %LIB-E-KEYNOTFOU, key not found in tree $ say f$mess("%x0C27804A") %MX-E-NOCOMPLETE, message transmission could not be completed The error occurred on a system running Wollongong's Pathway. I also have SMTP agents on UCX and CMU, so if I READY the entry, typically another agent processes it and it is then delivered. I'm using the Pathway name resolver (and the Pathway system also happens to be a name server) and the NETLIB_NAMESERVERS logical name is not defined on that system. It is also not defined on the UCX system, but is defined on the CMU system. Could this be an interaction problem with the Pathway name resolver? I can certainly experiment with defining the NETLIB logical on that system. If I do, can I simply define the logical and have it take effect immediately, or will I need to restart MX? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:55:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Robert H. McClanahan" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:54:50 -0600 Subject: RE: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 09:34:20 > From: hardis@garnet.nist.gov > Subject: RE: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... > To: mx%"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu" > Cc: mx%"rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com",mx%"hardis@garnet.nist.gov" > > Several months ago, there was discussion here about the MX queue > > directories filling up with files. I regret that I didn't follow that > > thread closely, nor did I save any of the messages. However, yesterday, I > > ran into the problem. MX would not accept messages because the queue was > > full. > > Wait -- which was full? The queue (which has a finite number of slots), > or the file directories. The queue file itself was apparently full (or possibly corrupt). MCP SHOW QUEUE indicated that the queue file contained no entries, yet the queue directories contained *many* files, yet nowhere near their maximum capacity. > > > I did an MCP QUEUE COMPRESS, which allowed MX to receive messages > > again, but the message files are left in the QUEUE directories. From the > > dates on the messages, it seems as though this problem may have > > started when we started using MX with SMTP (we had been a UUCP only > > site prior to that). > > Clarify -- is the problem that: > > 1) SMTP mail is not being delivered, so it remains queued. > > 2) After SMTP mail is delivered, it's not being purged > > 3) There are lots of junk files laying around that have no relationship > to what's in the queue (as seen by the MCP QUEUE SHOW /A/F command). > > - Jonathan SMTP would not accept messages (as mentioned in the 1st para of original post). [Pegasus gave me an error "451 Cannot Receive Right Now", and indicated that this error came from the SMTP server]. Once the QUEUE COMPRESS was done, Pegasus stopped protesting and MX SMTP began accepting messages. Hope this helps to better define my problem. RHM +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 11:30:10 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 12:29:46 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009976A6.B86F9720.10@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... >> Wait -- which was full? The queue (which has a finite number of slots), >> or the file directories. > The queue file itself was apparently full (or possibly corrupt). MCP SHOW > QUEUE indicated that the queue file contained no entries, yet the > queue directories contained *many* files, yet nowhere near their > maximum capacity. If, indeed, MCP QUEUE SHOW /FULL /ALL (note the qualifiers!) showed no queue entries, and if nothing would pass through the queue, then corruption is a safe bet. Recent messages have described how to delete the queue file, create a new one, and manually enter "lost" messages in it for redelivery. Check out the archives of this list within the past few months. >> Clarify -- is the problem that: >> >> 1) SMTP mail is not being delivered, so it remains queued. > SMTP would not accept messages (as mentioned in the 1st para of > original post). [Pegasus gave me an error "451 Cannot Receive Right > Now", and indicated that this error came from the SMTP server]. Once > the QUEUE COMPRESS was done, Pegasus stopped protesting and MX SMTP > began accepting messages. By "delivered", I meant messages being sent from your machine. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 12:07:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 18:03:57 EDT From: Dominique HOUVIEZ Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Message-ID: <009976D5.67C7F680.5@l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr> Subject: Problem with From header hello, all When my mail relay lilserv.univ-lille1.fr receives (in case of error messages) a message with a header From <> its sendmail translate it in From and MX does not like it : 220 L3VX01.univ-lille3.fr MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:18:05 EDT HELO belenos.univ-lille1.fr 250 Hello, belenos.univ-lille1.fr Mail From: 501 Invalid address: Mail From: <> 250 MAIL command accepted. What could I do to fix this ? Perhaps, this may help : Logicals "MX_VMSMAIL_FROM_FORMAT" = "" "MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST" = "@univ-lille3.fr" Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="pop.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.1]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.4]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.5]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.6]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.7]", Path=Local Domain="univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vx01", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05", Path=Local Domain="pop", Path=Local Domain="*.univ-lille3.fr", Path=SMTP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Thank you in advance -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dominique HOUVIEZ | Email: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Centre de Ressources Informatiques | Universite Charles de Gaulle-Lille 3 | B.P. 149 | Tel: (33)20-41-61-21 F59653 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ Cedex | Fax: (33)20-41-63-79 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 12:20:31 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 12:14:39 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: HOUVIEZ@UNIV-LILLE3.FR Message-ID: <009976A4.9BE8095E.19@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Problem with From header Dominique HOUVIEZ writes: > >hello, all > >When my mail relay lilserv.univ-lille1.fr receives (in case of error messages) >a message with a header > From <> >its sendmail translate it in > From >and MX does not like it : > >220 L3VX01.univ-lille3.fr MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Thu, 05 Oct 1995 >17:18:05 EDT >HELO belenos.univ-lille1.fr >250 Hello, belenos.univ-lille1.fr >Mail From: >501 Invalid address: Yes, MX forces an RFC821 address here, which is not. >What could I do to fix this ? > Have your mail relay people do what they're supposed to do and either leave it as <> or rewrite it as . Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:04:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:04:07 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009976CD.0BB1B820.835@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #149 MX-List Digest Thu, 5 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 149 Today's Topics: MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying Possible NETLIB V2.0H problem - KEYNOTFOU Problem with From header (2 msgs) QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... (3 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Oct 1995 02:46:03 GMT From: Madison@MadGoat.com (Matt Madison) Subject: Re: MX_LOCAL under VMS 6.2...more info but still dying Message-ID: <44vgtf$i29@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <44q95e$d2i@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>, cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: & Hi, & & After rebooting over the weekend, the process that I had created & to restart the mx_local process every 15 minutes didn't get started. I didn't & discover this until late evening..so I started MX_local which would run & for a while and then dye. [...] & Error-Text: Error in delivery to user PCSA%SPHMA2$SCOOPER & no more context blocks & & The other such error message was similar but with a text of & "Illegal event flag cluster" & & & & I have no clue as to what is causing these errors...there are some 300 & such messages that have this header and apparently were not delivered... & however, the address are normal and nothing appears to be wrong. I've seen this problem before with mail being delivered to PCSA% addresses, and tracked it down to a resource leak in PCSA_MAILSHR. If you have a lot of mail going to PCSA% addresses (either directly or indirectly through VMS MAIL forwarding entries), this could be the problem. I'm not sure what version of PATHWORKS it was that I looked at, but you might check with DSNlink again to see if a fix has been issued for it. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com | +1 408 457 5390 TGV, Inc. | 101 Cooper Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:40:03 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Possible NETLIB V2.0H problem - KEYNOTFOU Message-ID: <00997697.643A1E00.2@swdev.si.com> I installed NETLIB V2.0H yesterday, upgrading from V1.7. I had tried earlier releases of V2.0, but all had a problem with communicating with cc:Mail's SMTPlink. Matt fixed that problem for V2.0H, so I installed it and have not seen that error again. I have, however, started seeing a problem that did occur in preevious releases of V2.0, and that is the message LIB%-E-KEYNOTFOU, as in the following: Entry: 1, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 0 bytes Created: 5-OCT-1995 09:40:39.94, expires 4-NOV-1995 09:40:39.94 Last modified 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.72 SMTP entry #2, status: READY, size: 0 bytes, waiting for retry until 5-OCT-19 95 09:51:25.17 Created: 5-OCT-1995 09:40:21.01, expires 4-NOV-1995 09:40:39.94 Last modified 5-OCT-1995 09:41:25.21 Recipient #1: , Route=smtpgwy.si.com Error count=1 Last error: %LIB-E-KEYNOTFOU, key not found in tree When I last reported this (and someone also reported it in the MX-List in January, but did not receive an answer that I found), Carl Lydick suggested I list the contents of the debug log. Here it is: 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.02 Processing queue entry number 2 on node AGVAX 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.90 Recipient: , route=smtpgwy.s i.com 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.91 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name smtpgwy.si.com 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.92 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000E4A 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.94 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=001582FA 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.94 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=001582FA 5-OCT-1995 09:41:23.94 Recipient status=0C27804A for 5-OCT-1995 09:41:25.17 1 rcpts need retry, next try 5-OCT-1995 09:51:25.17 5-OCT-1995 09:41:25.22 *** End of processing pass *** In the above, the statuses translate to: $ say f$mess("%x00000E4A") %SYSTEM-E-UNSUPPORTED, unsupported operation or function $ say f$mess("%x001582FA") %LIB-E-KEYNOTFOU, key not found in tree $ say f$mess("%x0C27804A") %MX-E-NOCOMPLETE, message transmission could not be completed The error occurred on a system running Wollongong's Pathway. I also have SMTP agents on UCX and CMU, so if I READY the entry, typically another agent processes it and it is then delivered. I'm using the Pathway name resolver (and the Pathway system also happens to be a name server) and the NETLIB_NAMESERVERS logical name is not defined on that system. It is also not defined on the UCX system, but is defined on the CMU system. Could this be an interaction problem with the Pathway name resolver? I can certainly experiment with defining the NETLIB logical on that system. If I do, can I simply define the logical and have it take effect immediately, or will I need to restart MX? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 18:03:57 EDT From: Dominique HOUVIEZ Subject: Problem with From header Message-ID: <009976D5.67C7F680.5@l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr> hello, all When my mail relay lilserv.univ-lille1.fr receives (in case of error messages) a message with a header From <> its sendmail translate it in From and MX does not like it : 220 L3VX01.univ-lille3.fr MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:18:05 EDT HELO belenos.univ-lille1.fr 250 Hello, belenos.univ-lille1.fr Mail From: 501 Invalid address: Mail From: <> 250 MAIL command accepted. What could I do to fix this ? Perhaps, this may help : Logicals "MX_VMSMAIL_FROM_FORMAT" = "" "MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST" = "@univ-lille3.fr" Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="pop.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.1]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.4]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.5]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.6]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.7]", Path=Local Domain="univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vx01", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05", Path=Local Domain="pop", Path=Local Domain="*.univ-lille3.fr", Path=SMTP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Thank you in advance -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dominique HOUVIEZ | Email: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Centre de Ressources Informatiques | Universite Charles de Gaulle-Lille 3 | B.P. 149 | Tel: (33)20-41-61-21 F59653 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ Cedex | Fax: (33)20-41-63-79 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 12:14:39 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Problem with From header Message-ID: <009976A4.9BE8095E.19@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Dominique HOUVIEZ writes: > >hello, all > >When my mail relay lilserv.univ-lille1.fr receives (in case of error messages) >a message with a header > From <> >its sendmail translate it in > From >and MX does not like it : > >220 L3VX01.univ-lille3.fr MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Thu, 05 Oct 1995 >17:18:05 EDT >HELO belenos.univ-lille1.fr >250 Hello, belenos.univ-lille1.fr >Mail From: >501 Invalid address: Yes, MX forces an RFC821 address here, which is not. >What could I do to fix this ? > Have your mail relay people do what they're supposed to do and either leave it as <> or rewrite it as . Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:33:45 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... Message-ID: <00997696.83182520.6@garnet.nist.gov> > Several months ago, there was discussion here about the MX queue > directories filling up with files. I regret that I didn't follow that > thread closely, nor did I save any of the messages. However, yesterday, I > ran into the problem. MX would not accept messages because the queue was > full. Wait -- which was full? The queue (which has a finite number of slots), or the file directories. > I did an MCP QUEUE COMPRESS, which allowed MX to receive messages > again, but the message files are left in the QUEUE directories. From the > dates on the messages, it seems as though this problem may have > started when we started using MX with SMTP (we had been a UUCP only > site prior to that). Clarify -- is the problem that: 1) SMTP mail is not being delivered, so it remains queued. 2) After SMTP mail is delivered, it's not being purged 3) There are lots of junk files laying around that have no relationship to what's in the queue (as seen by the MCP QUEUE SHOW /A/F command). - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:54:50 -0600 From: "Robert H. McClanahan" Subject: Re: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 09:34:20 > From: hardis@garnet.nist.gov > Subject: RE: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... > To: mx%"mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu" > Cc: mx%"rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com",mx%"hardis@garnet.nist.gov" > > Several months ago, there was discussion here about the MX queue > > directories filling up with files. I regret that I didn't follow that > > thread closely, nor did I save any of the messages. However, yesterday, I > > ran into the problem. MX would not accept messages because the queue was > > full. > > Wait -- which was full? The queue (which has a finite number of slots), > or the file directories. The queue file itself was apparently full (or possibly corrupt). MCP SHOW QUEUE indicated that the queue file contained no entries, yet the queue directories contained *many* files, yet nowhere near their maximum capacity. > > > I did an MCP QUEUE COMPRESS, which allowed MX to receive messages > > again, but the message files are left in the QUEUE directories. From the > > dates on the messages, it seems as though this problem may have > > started when we started using MX with SMTP (we had been a UUCP only > > site prior to that). > > Clarify -- is the problem that: > > 1) SMTP mail is not being delivered, so it remains queued. > > 2) After SMTP mail is delivered, it's not being purged > > 3) There are lots of junk files laying around that have no relationship > to what's in the queue (as seen by the MCP QUEUE SHOW /A/F command). > > - Jonathan SMTP would not accept messages (as mentioned in the 1st para of original post). [Pegasus gave me an error "451 Cannot Receive Right Now", and indicated that this error came from the SMTP server]. Once the QUEUE COMPRESS was done, Pegasus stopped protesting and MX SMTP began accepting messages. Hope this helps to better define my problem. RHM +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 12:29:46 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: QUEUE Directories Filling Up ... Message-ID: <009976A6.B86F9720.10@garnet.nist.gov> >> Wait -- which was full? The queue (which has a finite number of slots), >> or the file directories. > The queue file itself was apparently full (or possibly corrupt). MCP SHOW > QUEUE indicated that the queue file contained no entries, yet the > queue directories contained *many* files, yet nowhere near their > maximum capacity. If, indeed, MCP QUEUE SHOW /FULL /ALL (note the qualifiers!) showed no queue entries, and if nothing would pass through the queue, then corruption is a safe bet. Recent messages have described how to delete the queue file, create a new one, and manually enter "lost" messages in it for redelivery. Check out the archives of this list within the past few months. >> Clarify -- is the problem that: >> >> 1) SMTP mail is not being delivered, so it remains queued. > SMTP would not accept messages (as mentioned in the 1st para of > original post). [Pegasus gave me an error "451 Cannot Receive Right > Now", and indicated that this error came from the SMTP server]. Once > the QUEUE COMPRESS was done, Pegasus stopped protesting and MX SMTP > began accepting messages. By "delivered", I meant messages being sent from your machine. - Jonathan ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #149 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 10:28:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 10:15:07 +0200 From: "tlsax5::system"@spotimage.com Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Message-ID: <0099775D.131C0E40.1@mailgate.spotimage.com> Subject: Automatic Signature vs. Callable Mail Interface Hi everybody, when I use MX with the callable MAIL interface (MAIL$xxx), eitheir with a program of mine or the DEC's PCSA$MAIL_SERVER called by the PATHWORKS' 'Mail for Macintosh', the automatic signature inclusion does not works. any idea ? Pierre BRU System & Network Mgr. SPOT IMAGE Internet: system@spotimage.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 11:56:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Date: 6 Oct 1995 06:54:04 GMT Message-ID: <452jqc$rcp@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009975CC.9DDFD300.1@borgil.us.oracle.com>, Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support writes: =|>=>Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation =|>=>procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay =|>=>attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the =|>=>queue."? =|>= =|>=I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". =|> =|>Too stupid to use the on-line help, eh? = = That's it... = = Carl, you are an arrogant SOB. The idea of a mailing list and = newsgroups are to ASSIST people. That's true. But pretending that stupidity is normal is unlikely to help someone who's willfully stupid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 17:22:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 18:24:32 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <009977A1.71F5BB20.13@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: From: field defined by MX MX 4.1 on VMS 5.5 ( UCX 2.0D) I have defined two lists using MX. On one List the From field turns out to be the List itself and on the other List the From field turns out to be the sender: when a subscriber post a message to the Lists. Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List itself. TIA Kamrul Ahsan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 17:29:18 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 17:28:47 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: KAMRUL@YCVAX.YORK.CUNY.EDU Message-ID: <00997799.A8204547.9@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: From: field defined by MX Kamrul Ahsan writes: > >I have defined two lists using MX. On one List the From field >turns out to be the List itself and on the other List the From field >turns out to be the sender: when a subscriber post a >message to the Lists. > > Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would >like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List >itself. > Yes, look at MCP DEFINE LIST/REPLY=(LIST,NOSENDER). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 13:14:54 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 14:16:58 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00997848.06A845C0.12@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: RE: From: field defined by MX > > Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would > >like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List > >itself. > > > Yes, look at MCP DEFINE LIST/REPLY=(LIST,NOSENDER). > Thank you for quick reply. It helped. Now I am trying to achieve somewhat different header so that the From: field shows the list address but the Reply-to: field shows the individual's address. This will help us to in two ways: 1) The VMS Mail will show that the mail is from the List 2) But if someone replies to a mail it will go the individual rather than to the list. Is it possible ? (VMS 5.5, MX 4.1, UCX 2.0D) TIA Kamrul Ahsan /\ 0 Kamrul Ahsan /\ // \ /\ York College, CUNY /// \////// \/ \\\ Jamaica, NY 11451 / //// \ \\_____ Voice 718-262-2754 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Internet: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu http://www.york.cuny.edu/~kamrul/kamrul.html ***************************************************************** I thank God for Internet ***************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 17:04:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 17:04:13 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099785F.6415B1E0.302@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #150 MX-List Digest Sat, 7 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 150 Today's Topics: Automatic Signature vs. Callable Mail Interface From: field defined by MX (3 msgs) MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 10:15:07 +0200 From: "tlsax5::system"@spotimage.com Subject: Automatic Signature vs. Callable Mail Interface Message-ID: <0099775D.131C0E40.1@mailgate.spotimage.com> Hi everybody, when I use MX with the callable MAIL interface (MAIL$xxx), eitheir with a program of mine or the DEC's PCSA$MAIL_SERVER called by the PATHWORKS' 'Mail for Macintosh', the automatic signature inclusion does not works. any idea ? Pierre BRU System & Network Mgr. SPOT IMAGE Internet: system@spotimage.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 18:24:32 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Subject: From: field defined by MX Message-ID: <009977A1.71F5BB20.13@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> MX 4.1 on VMS 5.5 ( UCX 2.0D) I have defined two lists using MX. On one List the From field turns out to be the List itself and on the other List the From field turns out to be the sender: when a subscriber post a message to the Lists. Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List itself. TIA Kamrul Ahsan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 17:28:47 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: From: field defined by MX Message-ID: <00997799.A8204547.9@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Kamrul Ahsan writes: > >I have defined two lists using MX. On one List the From field >turns out to be the List itself and on the other List the From field >turns out to be the sender: when a subscriber post a >message to the Lists. > > Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would >like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List >itself. > Yes, look at MCP DEFINE LIST/REPLY=(LIST,NOSENDER). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 14:16:58 EDT From: Kamrul Ahsan Subject: Re: From: field defined by MX Message-ID: <00997848.06A845C0.12@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> > > Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would > >like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List > >itself. > > > Yes, look at MCP DEFINE LIST/REPLY=(LIST,NOSENDER). > Thank you for quick reply. It helped. Now I am trying to achieve somewhat different header so that the From: field shows the list address but the Reply-to: field shows the individual's address. This will help us to in two ways: 1) The VMS Mail will show that the mail is from the List 2) But if someone replies to a mail it will go the individual rather than to the list. Is it possible ? (VMS 5.5, MX 4.1, UCX 2.0D) TIA Kamrul Ahsan /\ 0 Kamrul Ahsan /\ // \ /\ York College, CUNY /// \////// \/ \\\ Jamaica, NY 11451 / //// \ \\_____ Voice 718-262-2754 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Internet: kamrul@ycvax.york.cuny.edu http://www.york.cuny.edu/~kamrul/kamrul.html ***************************************************************** I thank God for Internet ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 1995 06:54:04 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX 4.1 Install, Queue Not Created Message-ID: <452jqc$rcp@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <009975CC.9DDFD300.1@borgil.us.oracle.com>, Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support writes: =|>=>Er, what would be the use of telling you that? I mean, the installation =|>=>procedure told you and you ignored it? Why would one expect you to pay =|>=>attention when someone here tells you: "use MCP QUEUE CREATE to create the =|>=>queue."? =|>= =|>=I take offense to this. I tried that "EXACT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT WORK". =|> =|>Too stupid to use the on-line help, eh? = = That's it... = = Carl, you are an arrogant SOB. The idea of a mailing list and = newsgroups are to ASSIST people. That's true. But pretending that stupidity is normal is unlikely to help someone who's willfully stupid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #150 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 19:53:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <199510081153.HAA09165@garuda.idola.net.id> To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu From: gfmyk@idola.net.id Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Oct 8 07:53:34 1995 subscribe vmsnet.mail.mx ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 11:13:43 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 11:13:34 CST From: Ron Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009978F7.92587CAC.8@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: RE: From: field defined by MX =>> > Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would =>> >like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List =>> >itself. =>> > =>> Yes, look at MCP DEFINE LIST/REPLY=(LIST,NOSENDER). =>> => Thank you for quick reply. It helped. Now I am trying to achieve =>somewhat different header so that the From: field shows the list address =>but the Reply-to: field shows the individual's address. This will =>help us to in two ways: => 1) The VMS Mail will show that the mail is from the List => 2) But if someone replies to a mail it will go the =>individual rather than to the list. => => Is it possible ? yup, but you need the site interface to do it. Have system do the mailing, but define mx_reply_to to the senders name... it would also be a good idea to read the .txt files in mx_root:[doc] Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 11:20:19 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:18:43 EDT From: Dominique HOUVIEZ Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Message-ID: <009979F3.BF8F8C40.1@l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr> Subject: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. Many thanks for your quick answer to my previous question (Problem with From header), my mail relay has done what has to be done and it works. Now I have found another little problem : when somebody in my domain sends to me a message with only my name as destination (HOUVIEZ) I get the message but there is a warning : Warning -- Invalid "To" header. This is an example : (pop is an alias for l3vx01) X-Sender: gabet@pop.univ-lille3.fr (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: gabet@univ-lille3.fr (Nicole Gabet) Subject: S.O.S ---[snip]--- Return-Path: Received: from l3pcb4 ([192.70.115.194]) by L3VX01.univ-lille3.fr (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 1995 14:57:36 EDT X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: houviez Here again, my environment : Logicals "MX_VMSMAIL_FROM_FORMAT" = "" "MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST" = "@univ-lille3.fr" Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="pop.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.1]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.4]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.5]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.6]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.7]", Path=Local Domain="univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vx01", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05", Path=Local Domain="pop", Path=Local Domain="*.univ-lille3.fr", Path=SMTP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Thank you in advance -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dominique HOUVIEZ | Email: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Centre de Ressources Informatiques | Universite Charles de Gaulle-Lille 3 | B.P. 149 | Tel: (33)20-41-61-21 F59653 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ Cedex | Fax: (33)20-41-63-79 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 13:22:31 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 13:21:55 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009979D2.AB1CAF93.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: From: field defined by MX Ron writes: > >=> Thank you for quick reply. It helped. Now I am trying to achieve >=>somewhat different header so that the From: field shows the list address >=>but the Reply-to: field shows the individual's address. This will >=>help us to in two ways: >=> 1) The VMS Mail will show that the mail is from the List >=> 2) But if someone replies to a mail it will go the >=>individual rather than to the list. >=> >=> Is it possible ? > >yup, but you need the site interface to do it. Have system do the mailing, >but define mx_reply_to to the senders name... it would also be a good idea >to read the .txt files in mx_root:[doc] > MX is going to always use the Reply-To: address (assuming it's there and valid) as the VMS Mail "From:" address, so there's no way to do both 1 and 2. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 13:24:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 13:23:52 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: HOUVIEZ@UNIV-LILLE3.FR Message-ID: <009979D2.F09F8252.13@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. Dominique HOUVIEZ writes: > >Many thanks for your quick answer to my previous question (Problem with From > header), my mail relay has done what has to be done and it >works. > >Now I have found another little problem : when somebody in my domain sends to >me a message with only my name as destination (HOUVIEZ) I get the message but >there is a warning : Warning -- Invalid "To" header. > This is the same problem, but a different RFC. In this case, MX is expecting the "To:" line to be a valid RFC 822 address (like ), which it is not: >X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. >To: houviez > There is a way to get Eudora to supply that, but I haven't used Eudora, so I'm not sure how it's done. You might check the MX-List archives for more info (they're searchable via Gopher from gopher.wku.edu). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 15:44:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 15:41:19 +0600 To: mx-list@madgoat.com From: Rick Stacks Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. Message-ID: <19951009154122.02067e6a.in@pc-185-60.osmre.gov> At 13:23 1995/10/9 -0500, goathunter@loki.com wrote: [snip] > >>X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. >>To: houviez >> >There is a way to get Eudora to supply that, but I haven't used >Eudora, so I'm not sure how it's done. You might check the MX-List >archives for more info (they're searchable via Gopher from >gopher.wku.edu). > >Hunter Under the setup for the registered version of Eudora (Eudora Pro) click on Special / Settings / Sending Mail / -- now supply the name of the domain to add to unqualified addresses that are used. This domain will be added to any username specified that does not have an associated domain (e.g. SMITH vs SMITH@DOMAIN.COM) -- Rick -- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept of Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 voice:501-682-0671 fax:501-682-0707 email:stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:10:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:10:40 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009979F2.9FEEBC40.843@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #151 MX-List Digest Mon, 9 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 151 Today's Topics: From: field defined by MX (2 msgs) Warning -- Invalid "To" header. (3 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Oct 8 07:53:34 1995 From: gfmyk@idola.net.id Subject: Message-ID: <199510081153.HAA09165@garuda.idola.net.id> subscribe vmsnet.mail.mx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 11:13:34 CST From: Ron Subject: Re: From: field defined by MX Message-ID: <009978F7.92587CAC.8@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> =>> > Can I control ( rename) this field through MCP ? I would =>> >like to define the From field for both Lists to be the List =>> >itself. =>> > =>> Yes, look at MCP DEFINE LIST/REPLY=(LIST,NOSENDER). =>> => Thank you for quick reply. It helped. Now I am trying to achieve =>somewhat different header so that the From: field shows the list address =>but the Reply-to: field shows the individual's address. This will =>help us to in two ways: => 1) The VMS Mail will show that the mail is from the List => 2) But if someone replies to a mail it will go the =>individual rather than to the list. => => Is it possible ? yup, but you need the site interface to do it. Have system do the mailing, but define mx_reply_to to the senders name... it would also be a good idea to read the .txt files in mx_root:[doc] Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 13:21:55 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: From: field defined by MX Message-ID: <009979D2.AB1CAF93.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Ron writes: > >=> Thank you for quick reply. It helped. Now I am trying to achieve >=>somewhat different header so that the From: field shows the list address >=>but the Reply-to: field shows the individual's address. This will >=>help us to in two ways: >=> 1) The VMS Mail will show that the mail is from the List >=> 2) But if someone replies to a mail it will go the >=>individual rather than to the list. >=> >=> Is it possible ? > >yup, but you need the site interface to do it. Have system do the mailing, >but define mx_reply_to to the senders name... it would also be a good idea >to read the .txt files in mx_root:[doc] > MX is going to always use the Reply-To: address (assuming it's there and valid) as the VMS Mail "From:" address, so there's no way to do both 1 and 2. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:18:43 EDT From: Dominique HOUVIEZ Subject: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. Message-ID: <009979F3.BF8F8C40.1@l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr> Many thanks for your quick answer to my previous question (Problem with From header), my mail relay has done what has to be done and it works. Now I have found another little problem : when somebody in my domain sends to me a message with only my name as destination (HOUVIEZ) I get the message but there is a warning : Warning -- Invalid "To" header. This is an example : (pop is an alias for l3vx01) X-Sender: gabet@pop.univ-lille3.fr (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: gabet@univ-lille3.fr (Nicole Gabet) Subject: S.O.S ---[snip]--- Return-Path: Received: from l3pcb4 ([192.70.115.194]) by L3VX01.univ-lille3.fr (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 1995 14:57:36 EDT X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: houviez Here again, my environment : Logicals "MX_VMSMAIL_FROM_FORMAT" = "" "MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST" = "@univ-lille3.fr" Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="pop.univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.1]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.4]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.5]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.6]", Path=Local Domain="[192.70.115.7]", Path=Local Domain="univ-lille3.fr", Path=Local Domain="l3vx01", Path=Local Domain="l3vs02", Path=Local Domain="l3vs03", Path=Local Domain="l3vs04", Path=Local Domain="l3vs05", Path=Local Domain="pop", Path=Local Domain="*.univ-lille3.fr", Path=SMTP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="lilserv.univ-lille1.fr" Thank you in advance -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dominique HOUVIEZ | Email: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Centre de Ressources Informatiques | Universite Charles de Gaulle-Lille 3 | B.P. 149 | Tel: (33)20-41-61-21 F59653 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ Cedex | Fax: (33)20-41-63-79 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 13:23:52 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. Message-ID: <009979D2.F09F8252.13@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Dominique HOUVIEZ writes: > >Many thanks for your quick answer to my previous question (Problem with From > header), my mail relay has done what has to be done and it >works. > >Now I have found another little problem : when somebody in my domain sends to >me a message with only my name as destination (HOUVIEZ) I get the message but >there is a warning : Warning -- Invalid "To" header. > This is the same problem, but a different RFC. In this case, MX is expecting the "To:" line to be a valid RFC 822 address (like ), which it is not: >X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. >To: houviez > There is a way to get Eudora to supply that, but I haven't used Eudora, so I'm not sure how it's done. You might check the MX-List archives for more info (they're searchable via Gopher from gopher.wku.edu). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 15:41:19 +0600 From: Rick Stacks Subject: Re: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. Message-ID: <19951009154122.02067e6a.in@pc-185-60.osmre.gov> At 13:23 1995/10/9 -0500, goathunter@loki.com wrote: [snip] > >>X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. >>To: houviez >> >There is a way to get Eudora to supply that, but I haven't used >Eudora, so I'm not sure how it's done. You might check the MX-List >archives for more info (they're searchable via Gopher from >gopher.wku.edu). > >Hunter Under the setup for the registered version of Eudora (Eudora Pro) click on Special / Settings / Sending Mail / -- now supply the name of the domain to add to unqualified addresses that are used. This domain will be added to any username specified that does not have an associated domain (e.g. SMITH vs SMITH@DOMAIN.COM) -- Rick -- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept of Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 voice:501-682-0671 fax:501-682-0707 email:stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #151 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:18:38 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. Date: 9 Oct 1995 18:10 EST Message-ID: <9OCT199518103660@stsci.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: telnet liner.stsci.edu/port=smtp Trying... Connected to LINER.STSCI.EDU. 220 LINER.STSCI.EDU MX V3.3 VAX SMTP server ready at Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:47:16 T helo devvax.stsci.edu 250 Hello, devvax.stsci.edu mail from: 451 Unable to receive right now. My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our netlib version is 1.5. I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. Any ideas? Please send any answers you might have to system@catlog.stsci.edu as I am right now cut off from internet mail. thanks in advance for your help! Clark Merrill Space Telescope Science Institute Baltimore, Maryland merrill@stsci.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:33:20 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:32:37 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: SYSTEM@CATLOG.STSCI.EDU Message-ID: <009979F5.B0FCBA7F.38@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) writes: > >I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers >on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: > [...] >mail from: >451 Unable to receive right now. > For some reason, MX cannot add any entries to the FLQ file. Perhaps your logicals aren't defined correctly or something? >My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our >netlib version is 1.5. > >I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. > You ought to upgrade MX too; upgrading NETLIB won't affect this problem in any way. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:43:37 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: merrill@devvax.stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. Date: 9 Oct 1995 18:17 EST Message-ID: <9OCT199518172389@stsci.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: telnet liner.stsci.edu/port=smtp Trying... Connected to LINER.STSCI.EDU. 220 LINER.STSCI.EDU MX V3.3 VAX SMTP server ready at Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:47:16 T helo devvax.stsci.edu 250 Hello, devvax.stsci.edu mail from: 451 Unable to receive right now. My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our netlib version is 1.5. I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. Any ideas? Please send any answers you might have to merrill@devvax.stsci.edu as I am cut off from internet mail on my usual account. thanks in advance for your help! Clark Merrill Space Telescope Science Institute Baltimore, Maryland merrill@stsci.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 23:03:39 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 23:03:33 CST From: Ron Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997A23.EBFA4BC3.14@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: quickie, in/out question. dont remember, is there anyway to "ban" a particular mailing address from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? ps. yes, individual user from a list that needs to keep its protection set at W:Enroll Using MX V4.1 Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 05:27:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:27:04 EDT From: gilbert Delafosse - Service Informatique Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997A8B.CA0C73CF.6@mx.univ-compiegne.fr> Subject: Name_conversion on AXP Hello, I've use my own version of name_conversion for 3 years on VAXes On AXPs it doesn't work! I suppose that the linl command isn't correct Here is the VAX version $ link/share/notrace init,convert,full_convert,cleanup,sys$input:/opt universal=init,convert,full_convert,cleanup Since Universal is "VAX only" I've try this AXP version $ link/share/notrace init,convert,full_convert,cleanup,sys$input:/opt SYMBOL_VECTOR=(init=procedure, - convert=procedure, - full_convert=procedure, - cleanup=procedure) install that image no name conversion occurs Any Help will be appreciated, Thanks Gilbert Delafosse Service informatique Universite de Technologie de Compiegne gilbert.delafosse@mx.univ-compiegne.fr ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:07:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. Date: 10 Oct 1995 09:32 EST Message-ID: <10OCT199509322060@stsci.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009979F5.B0FCBA7F.38@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes... >merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) writes: >> >>I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers >>on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: >> >[...] >>mail from: >>451 Unable to receive right now. >> >For some reason, MX cannot add any entries to the FLQ file. Perhaps >your logicals aren't defined correctly or something? > >>My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our >>netlib version is 1.5. >> >>I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. >> >You ought to upgrade MX too; upgrading NETLIB won't affect this >problem in any way. > thanks for the help! We solved the problem by the following: Shutdown MX on the cluster. $ set def mx_root:[queue] $ rename SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL;1 SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL_old;1 $ convert /fdl=SYSTEM_QUEUE.FDL SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL_old;1 - SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL;1 Restart MX. I do not know if the shutdown is necessary, but making it version 1 after the convert was what started it working. thanks again for the help. Clark Merrill Space Telescope Science Institute Baltimore, Maryland merrill@stsci.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:17:05 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:16:10 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: rrockwell@CCTR.UMKC.EDU, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00997A92.A61F1880.8@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: > [I] dont remember, is there anyway to "ban" a particular mailing address > from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all > listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? Not directly, but you can filter incoming messages through the SITE agent if you want to. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:15:03 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:12:10 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997ABB.FFC1E2E0.201@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #152 MX-List Digest Tue, 10 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 152 Today's Topics: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. (4 msgs) Name_conversion on AXP quickie, in/out question. Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:16:10 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Message-ID: <00997A92.A61F1880.8@garnet.nist.gov> > [I] dont remember, is there anyway to "ban" a particular mailing address > from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all > listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? Not directly, but you can filter incoming messages through the SITE agent if you want to. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 1995 18:10 EST From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) Subject: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. Message-ID: <9OCT199518103660@stsci.edu> I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: telnet liner.stsci.edu/port=smtp Trying... Connected to LINER.STSCI.EDU. 220 LINER.STSCI.EDU MX V3.3 VAX SMTP server ready at Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:47:16 T helo devvax.stsci.edu 250 Hello, devvax.stsci.edu mail from: 451 Unable to receive right now. My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our netlib version is 1.5. I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. Any ideas? Please send any answers you might have to system@catlog.stsci.edu as I am right now cut off from internet mail. thanks in advance for your help! Clark Merrill Space Telescope Science Institute Baltimore, Maryland merrill@stsci.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:32:37 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. Message-ID: <009979F5.B0FCBA7F.38@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) writes: > >I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers >on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: > [...] >mail from: >451 Unable to receive right now. > For some reason, MX cannot add any entries to the FLQ file. Perhaps your logicals aren't defined correctly or something? >My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our >netlib version is 1.5. > >I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. > You ought to upgrade MX too; upgrading NETLIB won't affect this problem in any way. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 1995 18:17 EST From: merrill@devvax.stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) Subject: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. Message-ID: <9OCT199518172389@stsci.edu> I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: telnet liner.stsci.edu/port=smtp Trying... Connected to LINER.STSCI.EDU. 220 LINER.STSCI.EDU MX V3.3 VAX SMTP server ready at Mon, 09 Oct 1995 17:47:16 T helo devvax.stsci.edu 250 Hello, devvax.stsci.edu mail from: 451 Unable to receive right now. My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our netlib version is 1.5. I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. Any ideas? Please send any answers you might have to merrill@devvax.stsci.edu as I am cut off from internet mail on my usual account. thanks in advance for your help! Clark Merrill Space Telescope Science Institute Baltimore, Maryland merrill@stsci.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 1995 09:32 EST From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) Subject: Re: error: 451 Unable to receive right now. Message-ID: <10OCT199509322060@stsci.edu> In article <009979F5.B0FCBA7F.38@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes... >merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill) writes: >> >>I am getting this error whenever I try to send mail to any of my MX servers >>on my Cluster. Here is a listing of a telnet session to my machine: >> >[...] >>mail from: >>451 Unable to receive right now. >> >For some reason, MX cannot add any entries to the FLQ file. Perhaps >your logicals aren't defined correctly or something? > >>My MX version id is: MX V3.3 VAX on VAX VMS 6.1 using Multinet 3.3. Our >>netlib version is 1.5. >> >>I will be upgrading Netlib very soon. >> >You ought to upgrade MX too; upgrading NETLIB won't affect this >problem in any way. > thanks for the help! We solved the problem by the following: Shutdown MX on the cluster. $ set def mx_root:[queue] $ rename SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL;1 SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL_old;1 $ convert /fdl=SYSTEM_QUEUE.FDL SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL_old;1 - SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL;1 Restart MX. I do not know if the shutdown is necessary, but making it version 1 after the convert was what started it working. thanks again for the help. Clark Merrill Space Telescope Science Institute Baltimore, Maryland merrill@stsci.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:27:04 EDT From: gilbert Delafosse - Service Informatique Subject: Name_conversion on AXP Message-ID: <00997A8B.CA0C73CF.6@mx.univ-compiegne.fr> Hello, I've use my own version of name_conversion for 3 years on VAXes On AXPs it doesn't work! I suppose that the linl command isn't correct Here is the VAX version $ link/share/notrace init,convert,full_convert,cleanup,sys$input:/opt universal=init,convert,full_convert,cleanup Since Universal is "VAX only" I've try this AXP version $ link/share/notrace init,convert,full_convert,cleanup,sys$input:/opt SYMBOL_VECTOR=(init=procedure, - convert=procedure, - full_convert=procedure, - cleanup=procedure) install that image no name conversion occurs Any Help will be appreciated, Thanks Gilbert Delafosse Service informatique Universite de Technologie de Compiegne gilbert.delafosse@mx.univ-compiegne.fr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 23:03:33 CST From: Ron Subject: quickie, in/out question. Message-ID: <00997A23.EBFA4BC3.14@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> dont remember, is there anyway to "ban" a particular mailing address from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? ps. yes, individual user from a list that needs to keep its protection set at W:Enroll Using MX V4.1 Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #152 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:57:24 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Louis Dachis Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Help with setting up electronic mailing list Date: 10 Oct 1995 23:34:10 GMT Message-ID: <45evti$1vs@marley.bitstream.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I am trying to find out more about establishing an electronic mailing list. I would like to send investors in my company press releases and other materials in this way. Can I use Eudora or do I need some other program? Please understand that I am computer proficient but a net idiot so dummy any explaination down for me. Thank you. -Louis Dachis ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:17:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:03:27 -0500 To: For.a.prompter.reply.please.fax@If.you.do.not.have.a.fax.smail.is.ok From: For.a.prompter.reply.please.fax@If.you.do.not.have.a.fax.smail.is.ok (You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below.) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: *new* reply info: ===>> FREE 1 yr. 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MIND - SPIRIT BON APPETIT BOSTON MAGAZINE BOTTOM LINE / PERSONAL BOW & ARROW BOW & ARROW HUNTING BOW HUNTING WORLD BOWHUNTER BOWHUNTING BOWHUNTING WORLD BOWLING DIGEST BOWMASTERS BOXING ILLUSTRATED BOY'S LIFE BRIDAL GUIDE BRIDES BRITISH CAR BRITISH HERITAGE BROADCASTING BUCKHUNTERS DIGEST BUENHOGAR BUSINESS PUBLISHING BUSINESS START-UPS BUSINESS WEEK BUZZ (TALK OF LOS ANGELES) BYTE CABLE (COMIC) CALIFORNIA JOURNAL CAMCORDER CAMERA & DARKROOM CAMPUS LIFE CANDY INDUSTRY CANOE CAPPER'S CAPTAIN AMERICA (COMIC) CAR AUDIO & ELECTRONICS CAR COLLECTOR & CAR CLASSICS CAR CRAFT CAR & DRIVER CAR STEREO REVIEW CARAS DE PUERTO RICO CARD COLLECTOR'S PRICE GUIDE CARIBBEAN TRAVEL & LIFE CARS & PARTS CASH SAVER CAT FANCY CATALOG SHOPPING CATHOLIC DIGEST CATHOLIC FAMILY BIBLE CATTLEMAN CATWOMAN (COMIC) CD REVIEW CD-ROM TODAY CD-ROM WORLD CENTRAL FLORIDA CAREER GUIDE (W/UPDATES) CHAMPION CROSSWORD PUZZLES CHAMPION VARIETY PUZZLES CHAMPION VARIETY REVIEW CHANGES CHARISMA & CHRISTIAN LIFE CHATELAINE (IN ENGLISH) CHATELAINE (IN FRENCH) CHESAPEAKE BAY CHEVY HIGH PERFORMANCE CHIC CHICAGO CHILD CHILD LIFE CHILDREN'S ALBUM CHILDREN'S CLASSICS CHILDREN'S DIGEST CHILDREN'S PLAYMATE CHOCOLATIER CHRISTIAN HISTORY CHRISTIAN PARENTING TODAY CHRISTIAN READER CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR CHRISTIANITY TODAY CIRCLE TRACK CIRCUS CIVIL WAR CHRONICLES CIVIL WAR TIMES CLASSIC AUTO RESTORER CLEVELAND MAGAZINE COACH COIFFURE DE PARIS COIN PRICES COIN WORLD COINAGE COINS MAGAZINE COLLECTOR EDITIONS COLLECTORS MART COLLECTORS NEWS COLLECTORS NEWS COLLEGE SPORTS COLONIAL HOMES COLORADO BUSINESS COLORADO HOMES & LIFESTYLES COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW COMIC BOOK COLLECTOR COMIC BOOK COLLECTOR'S PRICE GUIDE COMIC SCENE COMICS BUYERS GUIDE COMICS SCENE COMMON CAUSE COMMONWEAL COMPUTER GAME REVIEW & CD-ROM ENTERTAINMENT COMPUTER GAMING WORLD COMPUTER LIFE COMPUTER SHOPPER COMPUTERWORLD CONAN CLASSICS (COMIC) CONAN SAGA (COMIC) CONAN THE ADVENTURER (COMIC) CONDE NASTE TRAVELER *CONNECT-THE MODEM USERS RESOURCE* CONSUMER REPORTS CONSUMER REPORTS ON HEALTH CONSUMER REPORTS TRAVEL LETTER CONSUMER RESEARCH CONSUMERS DIGEST CONSUMERS RESEARCH CONTEMPORARY CHRISTIAN MUSIC COOK'S ILLUSTRATED COOKBOOK DIGEST COOKING LIGHT CORVETTE FEVER COSMOPOLITAN COSMOPOLITAN EN ESPANOL COUNTRY COUNTRY ACCENTS COUNTRY AMERICA COUNTRY FEVER COUNTRY GUIDE COUNTRY HANDCRAFTS COUNTRY HOME COUNTRY HOME FOLK CRAFTS COUNTRY JOURNAL COUNTRY JOURNAL COUNTRY LIVING COUNTRY MUSIC COUNTRY MUSIC CITY NEWS COUNTRY SAMPLER COUNTRY WOMAN CQ RADIO AMATEURS JOURNAL CRAFTING TODAY CRAFTS CRAFTS 'N THINGS CRAFTWORKS FOR THE HOME CRAIN'S NEW YORK BUSINESS CRAYOLA KIDS CREATIVE CLASSROOM CREATIVE KIDS CREATIVE QUILTING CREATIVE REAL ESTATE CREATIVE WOODWORKING & CRAFTS CRICKET CROCHET DIGEST CROCHET FANTASY CROCHET HOME CROCHET WORLD CROCHET WORLD SPECIALS CROSS COUNTRY SKIER CROSS STITCH CROSS STITCH PLUS CROSS STITCHER CROSSSTITCH & COUNTRY CRAFTS CRUISE TRAVEL CRUISE TRAVEL CRUISES & TOURS CRUISING WORLD CUSTOM & CLASSIC TRUCKS CUSTOMER ASSURANCE REPORT CUSTOMER SERVICE NEWSLETTER CYCLE WORLD DAILY NEWS RECORD DANCE DAREDEVIL (COMIC) DARKHAWK (COMIC) DAS LEBEN DATA BASED ADVISOR DAYTIME TV DBMS (DATABASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS) DEATH'S HEAD II (COMIC) DEBATE ISSUES DECORATING DIGEST DECORATIVE ARTIST'S WORKBOOK DECORATIVE ARTS PAINTING DECORATVE WOODCRAFTS DEER & DEER HUNTING DEFENSE NEWS DELAWARE TODAY DELL CROSSWORD PUZZLES DELL CROSSWORD SPECIAL DELL CROSSWORDS & VARIETY PUZZLES DELL HOROSCOPE DELL LOGIC PUZZLES DELL OFFICIAL CROSSWORD PUZZLES DELL OFFICIAL PENCIL PUZZLE & WORD GAMES DELL OFFICIAL WORD SEARCH PUZZLES DELL PENCIL PUZZLES & WORD GAMES DELL POCKET CROSSWORD PUZZLES DELL POCKET CROSSWORD PUZZLES DELL WORD SEARCH PUZZLES DES DESKTOP VIDEO WORLD DESSERTS DETAILS DETECTIVE COMICS DETROIT MONTHLY DIRT BIKE DISCIPLESHIP JOURNAL DISCOUNT STORE NEWS DISCOVER DISCOVER DIVING DISNEY ADVENTURES DISNEY'S HOW IT WORKS DISTRIBUTION CENTER MANAGEMENT DOG FANCY DOG WORLD DOLL CASTLE NEWS DOLL DESIGNS DOLL LIFE DOLL WORLD DOLLMAKING DOLLS DOOM 2099 (COMIC) DOWN EAST DOWN MEMORY LANE DOWNBEAT DR. DOBB'S JOURNAL DR. STRANGE (COMIC) DRUG & COSMETIC INDUSTRY EARLY AMERICAN LIFE EARLY CHILDHOOD NEWS EARLY CHILDHOOD TODAY EARTH EARTH JOURNAL EASY FAST "N FUN CROSSWORDS EATING WELL EBONY EBONY MAN (EM) ECONOMIST ECOTRAVELER ELECTRONIC GAMES ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY ELECTRONIC LEARNING ELECTRONICS NOW ELITE MAGAZINE ELLE (AMERICAN) ELLE DECOR ELLERY QUEEN'S MYSTERY ELLERY QUEEN'S MYSTERY EM (EBONY MAN) EMERGE ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD (ENR) ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY (EW) ENTREE ENTREPRENEUR ENVIRONMENT EQUITIES EQUUS ESQUIRE ESSENCE EUROPEAN CAR EXCALIBUR (COMIC) EXCEPTIONAL PARENT EXECUTIVE FEMALE FAITH & STUFF FAMILY CIRCLE FAMILY HANDYMAN FAMILY LIFE FANCY FOOD & CANDY FANGORIA FANTASTIC FOUR (COMIC) FANTASY & SCIENCE FICTION FAR OUT FARM BUILDING NEWS FARM & RANCH LIVING FARMERS DIGEST FASHION GUIDE FASHION KNITTING FATE FEDERAL TIMES FEMALE BODYBUILDING FIELD & STREAM FIGHTING KNIVES FIGHTING STARS NINJA MAGAZINE FILM THREAT FINANCIAL TIMES OF LONDON (MON - SAT) FINANCIAL WORLD FINE GARDENING FINE HOMEBUILDING FINE WOODWORKING FIREHOUSE FISHING FACTS FISHING & HUNTING NEWS FISHING WORLD FIVE LITER MUSTANG FLARE FLASH (COMIC) FLEX FLOORING FLORIDA LIVING FLORIDA SPORTSMAN FLORIDA TREND FLORIDA VACATION RENTALS FLOWER & GARDEN FLY FISHERMAN FLY FISHING FLYING FLYING MODELS FOOD & WINE FOOTBALL DIGEST FOOTBALL NEWS FORBES FORCE WORKS (COMIC) FOREIGN AFFAIRS FOREIGN POLICY FORTUNE FORUM (PENTHOUSE) FOUR WHEEL / OFF ROAD FOUR WHEELER FRONT PAGE DETECTIVE FUN-ZONE FUR - FISH - GAME FUTURIFIC FUTURIFIC G.I. JOE (COMIC) GAME PLAYERS NINTENDO GUIDE GAME PLAYERS NINTENDO - SEGA GAME PLAYERS PC ENTERTAINMENT GAMEPRO GAMES GARBAGE GEMS & GEMNOLOGY GEMS & GEMNOLOGY GENTLEMEN'S QUARTERLY (GQ) GEOMUNDO GET RICH NEWS GHOST RIDER 2099 (COMIC) GHOST RIDER / BLAZE (COMIC) GHOST RIDER (COMIC) GIFTS & DECORATIVE ACCESSORIES GIFTWARE NEWS GLAMOUR GLASS DIGEST GLEANINGS IN BEE CULTURE GOD'S WORD TODAY GOLDMINE GOLF DIGEST GOLF FOR WOMEN GOLF MAGAZINE GOLF TIPS GOLF WEEK GOLF WORLD GOLFING GOOD DAY SUNSHINE GOOD HOUSEKEEPING GOOD OLD DAYS GOOD OLD DAYS SPECIALS GOURMET GREEN LANTERN (COMIC) GRIT GROO (COMIC) GROWING UP WITH SCIENCE GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (COMIC) GUIDEPOSTS GUIDEPOSTS (LARGE PRINT EDITION) GUN DOG GUN LIST GUN WORLD GUNS GUNS & AMMO GUNS & AMMO HAIR ADDITIONS HAIR & BEAUTY NEWS HANDCRAFT ILLUSTRATED HANDGUNNING HANDGUNS HARPER'S BAZAAR HARPER'S BAZAAR EN ESPANOL HARPER'S MAGAZINE HARROWERS (COMIC) HARVARD BUSINESS REVIEW HAWAII HEALTH HELLSTORM (COMIC) HERALD TRIBUNE CROSSWORD PUZZLES ONLY HERALD TRIBUNE & OTHER CROSSWORD GAMES HERO ILLUSRATED HIGHLANDER HIGHLIGHTS HIGHLIGHTS HISPANIC HISTORIC PRESERVATION HOCKEY DIGEST HOCKEY NEWS HOLLYWOOD STUDIO HOLLYWOOD STUDIO MAG THEN & NOW HOMBRE DE MUNDO HOME COOKING HOME GYM & FITNESS HOME MAGAZINE HOME MAGAZINE HOME MECHANIX HOME OFFICE COMPUTING HONOLULU HOOKED IN CROCHET HORIZON HOROSCOPE HOROSCOPE/ A PERSONAL DAILY GUIDE FOR EVERYONE HOROSCOPE / DELL HORSE & HORSEMAN HORSE & HORSEMAN HORSE ILLUSTRATED HORSE & RIDER HORSEPLAY HORTICULTURE HOT BOAT HOT ROD HOT ROD HARLEYS HOUSE BEAUTIFUL HOUSTON METROPOLITAN HOUSTON PEOPLE HOUSTON PROFILES HOW HUDSON VALLEY HUMPTY DUMPTY HUNTING HUSTLER HUSTLER'S BUSTY BEAUTIES HUSTLER'S EROTIC VIDEO GUIDE HUSTLER'S FANTASIES HUSTLER'S HUMOR I LOVE CATS IDEAS IDEAS PARA SU HOGAR ILLUSTRATED BIBLE FOR CHILDREN IMPORT AUTO PARTS & ACCESSORIES IN BUSINESS IN-FISHERMAN INC. INCOME OPPORTUNITIES INCOME PLUS INCREDIBLE HULK (COMIC) INDIVIDUAL INVESTOR IINDUSTRIAL MARKET PLACE INSIDE EDGE INSIDE IRELAND INSIDE KARATE INSIDE KUNG FU INSIDE SPORTS INSIGHT INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR INSTRUCTOR INTERIOR DECORATOR'S HANDBOOK INTERIOR DESIGN INTERIORS INTERNATIONAL LIVING INTERNATIONAL NURSING INDEX INTERNET WORLD INTERVIEW INTIMATE FASHION NEWS INVESTOR'S DAILY IRON MAN (COMIC) ISLANDS ISRAEL SCENE JACK & JILL JERSEY WOMAN JERUSALEM POST INTERNATIONAL WEEKLY EDITION JERUSALEM REPORT JET JEWISH EXPONENT JEWISH HOMEMAKER JEWISH POST & OPINION JEWISH PRESS JUSTICE LEAGUE AMERICA (COMIC) JUSTICE LEAGUE EUROPE ( COMIC) KARATE / KUNG FU ILLUSTATED KEYBOARD KID CITY KIDSPORTS KIPLINGER'S PERSONAL FINANCE KIT CAR KITPLANES KNIFE WORLD KNITTING DIGEST KNITTING WORLD L'ACTUALITE LA LUZ LA VIE LADIES HOME JOURNAL LADY'S CIRCLE LADYBUG LAKELAND BOATING LAN MAGAZINE (LOCAL AREA NETWORK) LAPIDARY JOURNAL LEADERSHIP LEARNING '94 LEFTHANDER LEGAL GUIDE FOR THE FAMILY LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES (COMIC) LET'S LIVE LIBRARY OF NATURAL WONDERS LIFE LIGHTING DIMENSIONS LINK-UP LINN'S STAMP NEWS LITTLE MERMAID LLUMO VOGUE LONGEVITY LOONEY TUNES (COMIC) LOOSE CHANGE LOS ANGELES LOTTERY PLAYERS MAGAZINE MAC HOME JOURNAL MACLEANS MACUSER MACWORLD MADEMOISELLE MARKETERS FORUM MARRIAGE PARTNERSHIP MARVEL AGE (COMIC) MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS MARVEL TALES SPIDERMAN (COMIC) MCCALL'S MCCALL'S NEEDLEWORK & CRAFTS MECANICA POPULAR MECHANICA POPULAR MEDIA & METHODS MEDICAL & HEALTH ENCYCLOPEDIA MEDICAL HOTLINE MEDICAL UPDATE MEGA PLAY MEMPHIS MAGAZINE MEN'S CONFIDENTIAL MEN'S FITNESS MEN'S HEALTH MEN'S JOURNAL METROPOLIS METROPOLITAN HOME MICKEY MOUSE MICRO COMPUTER JOURNAL MICROSOFT SYSTEMS JOURNAL MID-ATLANTIC COUNTRY MIDSTREAM MIDWEST LIVING MILITARY HISTORY MILWAUKEE MINISTRIES TODAY MINNESOTA MONTHLY MIRABELLA MOBILE OFFICE MODEL AIRPLANE NEWS MODEL NEWS MODEL SHOPPER MODELS & TALENT/CASTING NEWS MODERN BRIDE MODERN GUN MODERN HORSE BREEDING MODERN SALON MOMENT MONEY MONEYPAPER MOODY MAGAZINE MOODY MONTHLY MOPAR MUSCLE MORIBUS (COMIC) MOTHER EARTH NEWS MOTHER JONES MOTHERING MOTOR BOATING & SAILING MOTOR TREND MOTORCROSS ACTION MOTORCYCLE CONSUMER NEWS MOTORCYCLIST MOTORHOME MOUNTAIN BIKE MOVIE MARKETPLACE MOVIELINE MUNDO 21 MUSCLE & FITNESS MUSCLECAR REVIEW MUSICIAN MUSTANG MONTHLY MUSTANGS & FORDS MUSTANGS MONTHLY NAILS NAMOR (COMIC) NATION NATION'S BUSINESS NATION'S RESTAURANT NEWS NATIONAL AUCTION REPORT NATIONAL ENQUIRER NATIONAL FISHERMAN NATIONAL LAW JOURNAL NATIONAL OTC STOCK JOURNAL NATIONAL PARK MAGAZINE NATIONAL REVIEW NATIONAL TRIAL LAWYER NATURAL HEALTH NATURAL HISTORY NAVY TIMES NBA INSIDE STUFF *THE NET* (about the Internet) NEEDLE & CRAFT NEVADA MAGAZINE NEW AGE JOURNAL NEW BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES NEW CHOICES NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE NEW FARM NEW JERSEY MONTHLY NEW JERSEY OUTDOORS NEW MEXICO NEW REPUBLIC NEW TITANS (COMIC) NEW WARRIORS (COMIC) NEW WOMAN NEW YORK MAGAZINE NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOKS NEW YORKER NEWSWEEK NICE & EASY FAMILY COOKBOOK NIGHT TRASHER (COMIC) NIGHT WATCH (COMIC) NO-TILL FARMER NORTH FLORIDA LIVING NORTH SHORE (CHICAGO) NOVA (COMIC) NUMISMATIC NEWS NURSING NUTRITION & DIETARY CONSULTANT NUTRITION HEALTH REVIEW OCCASIONAL BULLETIN OFF ROAD OFFICIAL CROSSWORD PUZZLES OFFICIAL DETECTIVE OFFICIAL MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ROOKIE LEAGUE MAGAZINE FOR KIDS OFFICIAL PENCIL PUZZLES / WORD GAMES OFFICIAL US CUSTOM HOUSE GUIDE OFFICIAL WORD SEARCH PUZZLES OLD CARS NEWS & MARKETPLACE OLD CARS PRICE GUIDE OLD HOUSE JOURNAL OLD TIME CROCHET OMNI ONLINE ACCESS ONSAT OPEN WHEEL OPERA NEWS OPPORTUNITY MAGAZINE ORGANIC GARDENING OUTDOOR LIFE OUTDOOR PHOTOGRAPHER OUTDOOR PRESS OUTSIDE OVERDRIVE PACIFIC NORTHWEST PACK -O-FUN PADDLE SPORTS PADDLER PAINTWORKS PALM BEACH LIFE PALM SPRINGS LIFE PARENTING PARENTS PARENTS OF TEENAGERS PASSION PASSION FOR MEN PC COMPUTING PC GAMER PC GAMES PC KIDS PC LAPTOP PC MAGAZINE PC NOVICE PC TODAY PC WORLD PC WORLD LOTUS EDITION PC WORLD MULTI MEDIA EDITION PCM PENNSYLVANIA SPORTSMAN PENTHOUSE PENTHOUSE LETTERS PEOPLE PET DEALER PHILADELPHIA PHOENIX HOME & GARDEN PHOTOGRAPH COLLECTOR PHOTOGRAPHIC PINHEAD (COMIC) PLANE & PILOT PLASTIC CANVAS PLASTIC CANVAS & MORE PLASTIC CANVAS WORLD PLAYBOY PLAYGIRL PLAYTHINGS POCKET CROSSWORD PUZZLES POLO POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS POPULAR ELECTRONICS POPULAR HOT RODDING POPULAR MECHANICS POPULAR PHOTOGRAPHY POPULAR SCIENCE POPULAR WOODWORKING PORTABLE COMPUTING POST SCRIPT POST SCRIPTS: ESSAYS IN FILM & THE HUMANITIES POWDER POWER & MOTOR YACHT PRACTICAL HORSEMAN PREMIERE PRESENT TENSE PREVENTION PRIVATE PILOT PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY PROGRESSIVE PROGRESSIVE FARMER PROTESTANT DELUXE BIBLE PROTESTANT FAMILY BIBLE PSYCHOLOGY TODAY PUBLISH PULSE PUNISHER 2099 (COMIC) PUNISHER (COMIC) PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL (COMIC) PUNISHER WAR ZONE (COMIC) QUASAR (COMIC) QUICK & EASY CRAFTS QUICK & EASY CROCHET QUICK & EASY NEEDLECRAFT QUICK & EASY PLASTIC CANVAS QUICK & EASY QUILTING QUILT WORLD QUILTER'S NEWSLETTER QUILTER'S TREASURY QUILTER'S TREASURY QUILTING INTERNATIONAL QUILTMAKER RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN RAPPAGES RAPPORT RAVAGE 2099 (COMIC) REAL PEOPLE REALTY MAGAZINE REDBOOK REMINISCE REN & STIMPY (COMIC) RETIREMENT INCOME NEWSLETTER RIDER RIGHT ON RIP ROAD RIDER ROAD & TRACK ROBB REPORT ROCK & GEM ROD & CUSTOM ROLLING STONE RUNNER'S WORLD RUNNING TIMES RURAL BUILDER S.W.A.T. SABERTOOTH CLASSICS (COMIC) SADDLE & BRIDE SAIL SAILING SAILING WORLD SALTWATER SPORTSMAN SAN DIEGO HOME & GARDEN SAN DIEGO MAGAZINE SAN FRANCISCO SASSY SATELLITE TV PRE-VUE SATELLITE TV WEEK SATURDAY EVENING POST SAVAGE SWORD OF CONAN (COMIC) SCHOLASTIC COACH SCHOOL & COLLEGE SCIENCE LIBRARY SCIENCE NEWS SCIENCE OF MIND SCIENCES SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN SCUBA DIVING SCUBA TIMES SEA MAGAZINE SECRET DEFENDERS (COMIC) SELF SESAME STREET SEVENTEEN SEVENTY-THREE AMATEUR RADIO SEW NEWS SEYBOLD REPORT ON DESKTOP PUBLISHING SHAPE SHOOTING TIMES SHOP TALK SHORT STORY INTERNATIONAL SHOW BIZ / CASTING NEWS SHOW BIZ NEWS/MODEL NEWS SHOWBOATS INTERNATIONAL SIDEKICKS SIDEKICKS SOCCER SILVER SABLE (COMIC) SILVER SURFER (COMIC) SIMPLY CROSS STITCH SKATEBOARDING SKI SKIING SKIN DIVER SKIN & INK SMITHSONIAN SNOW COUNTRY SNOW GOER SNOW WEEK SNOWBOARDING SNOWMOBILE SOAP OPERA DIGEST SOAP OPERA MAGAZINE SOAP OPERA STARS SOCCER AMERICA SOCCER DIGEST SOCCER INTERNATIONAL SOUNDINGS SOUTH FLORIDA SOUTHERN ACCENTS SOUTHERN BOATING SOUTHERN HOMES SOUTHERN LIVING SOUTHERN OUTDOORS SPACE NEWS SPECIAL EVENTS SPECIAL SITUATIONS REPORT SPECIALTY CAR SPECTACULAR SPIDERMAN (COMIC) SPIDERMAN 2099 (COMIC) SPIDERMAN CLASSIC (COMIC) SPIDERMAN (COMIC) SPIN SPORT SPORT DIVER SPORT FISHING SPORT RIDER SPORT TRUCK SPORTING CLASSICS SPORTING NEWS SPORTS AFIELD SPORTS CARD TRADER SPORTS COLLECTORS DIGEST SPORTS ILLUSTRATED SPORTS ILLUSTRATED FOR KIDS SPORTSWEAR INTERNATIONAL SPOTLIGHT STAR STAR TREK (COMIC) STAR TREK : THE NEXT GENERATION (COMIC) STARLOG STEREO REVIEW STITCH 'N SEW QUILTS STOCK CAR RACING STONE SOUP STORY STUDIO USA STYLE TRENDS SUCCESS SUCCESSFUL RETIREMENT SUNBONNET CRAFTS SUNSET SUPER CHEVY SUPER COMPUTING REVIEW SUPER CYCLE SUPER FORD SUPER NES BUYERS GUIDE SUPER STOCK & DRAG ILLUSTRATED SUPERCYCLE SUPERMAN - MAN OF STEEL (COMIC) SURFER SURFING SURPRISES SWAP USA SWAT T-SHIRT RETAILER TAMPA BAY CAREER GUIDE (WITH UPDATES) TASTE OF HOME TAX HOTLINE TCI TEACHING PRE K-8 TECHNOLOGY & LEARNING TEDDY BEAR REVIEW TEEN TEEN BEAT TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES (COMIC) TEK WORLD (COMIC) TENNIS TEXAS FISH & GAME TEXAS GARDENER THE SCIENCES THEATRE CRAFTS THEOLOGY TODAY THOR (COMIC) THREADS THREE-TWO-ONE CONTACT THUNDERSTRIKE (COMIC) TIME TODAY'S CATHOLIC TEACHER TODAY'S CHRISTIAN WOMAN TOLE WORLD TOTAL HEALTH TOURING AMERICA TOWN & COUNTRY TOY SHOP TRACK & FIELD NEWS TRADING CARDS TRADITIONAL HOME TRADITIONAL QUILTER TRAILER BOATS TRAILER LIFE TRANSFORMERS GENERATION 2 (COMIC) TRANSWORLD SKATEBOARDING TRAPPER & PREDATOR CALLER TRAVEL 50 & BEYOND TRAVEL AMERICA TRAVEL HOLIDAY TRAVEL & LEISURE TRAVELAMERICA TREASURE TRIATHLETE TRUE DETECTIVE TRUE STORY TU TURKEY & TURKEY HUNTING TURTLE TV CROSSWORDS TV HOST TV Y NOVELAS (PUERTO RICO) TV Y NOVELAS (USA) TWINS UNCANNY X-MEN (COMIC) UNDERWATER USA UNIQUE HAIR & BEAUTY UNIQUE HOMES US AVIATOR US CATHOLIC US MAGAZINE US NEWS & WORLD REPORT USA TODAY UTNE READER VACATIONS VANIDADES VANITY FAIR VARIATIONS (PENTHOUSE) VARIETY (WEEKLY) VEGETARIAN TIMES VEGGIE LIFE VERMONT LIFE VETTE VIBE VICTORIA VICTORIAN HOMES VIDEO GAMES & COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT VIDEO MAGAZINE VIDEO REVIEW VIDEOMAKER VIETNAM VILLAGE VOICE VIRTUAL REALITY WORLD VIRTUE VOGUE VOLLEYBALL MAGAZINE VOLLEYBALL MONTHLY VOTRE BEAUTE W MAGAZINE WALKING WALL STREET REPORTS WALL STREET TRANSCRIPTS WALLEYE WAR MACHINE (COMIC) WARLOCK & INFINITY WATCH (COMIC) WASHINGTON POST NATIONAL WEEKLY WASHINGTONIAN WATER SCOOTER WATERCRAFT WORLD WATERSKI WEARABLE CRAFTS WEARABLE WONDERS WEB OF SPIDERMAN (COMIC) WEEKEND WOODCRAFTS WEEKEND WOODWORKING PROJECTS WEEKLY WORLD NEWS WEIGHT WATCHERS WESTERN FRUIT GROWER WESTERN HORSEMAN WESTERN LIVESTOCK JOURNAL WESTERN OUTDOORS WHAT IF WHAT'S NEW IN HOME ECONOMICS WHERE TO RETIRE WILD THING (COMIC) WILD WEST WILDBIRD WILDLIFE CONSERVATION WIN MAGAZINE WINDOWS WINDOWS SOURCES WINDSURFING WING & SHOT WINGS WEST WINNING BICYCLE RACING ILLUSTRATED WIRED WISCONSIN OUTDOOR JOURNAL WOLVERINE (COMIC) WOMAN'S CIRCLE WOMAN'S DAY WOMEN & GUNS WOMEN'S CIRCLE WOMEN'S CIRCLE CROCHET WOMEN'S CIRCLE HOME COOKIN WOMEN'S HOUSEHOLD CROCHET WOMEN'S HOUSEHOULD WOMEN'S SPORTS & FITNESS WOMEN'S WEAR DAILY WONDER MAN (COMIC) WONDER WOMAN (COMIC) WOOD WOOD STROKES WOODEN BOAT WOODSHOP NEWS WOODWORKER WOODWORKER PROJECTS & TECHNIQUES WORD WIZE WORKBASKET WORKBENCH WORKING MOTHER WORKING WOMAN WORLD COIN NEWS WORLD & I WORLD PRESS REVIEW WORLD WAR II WORLDVIEW WORTH WRITER'S DIGEST X-FACTOR (COMIC) X-FORCE (COMIC) X-MEN 2099 (COMIC) X-MEN ADVENTURES (COMIC) X-MEN BRAND NEW (COMIC) X-MEN CLASSICS (COMIC) X-MEN EARLY YEARS (COMIC) YACHT RACING/CRUISING YACHTING YANKEE YM (YOUNG & MODERN) YOGA JOURNAL YOUR MONEY YSB (YOUNG SISTERS & BROTHERS) ZILLIONS ZOO BOOKS ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:41:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:38:11 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00997B5E.E3BD32E0.2@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Help with setting up electronic mailing list Louis Dachis asks: >I am trying to find out more about establishing an electronic mailing list. ... > Can I use Eudora or do I need some other program? You can use Eudora. Select NICKNAMES from the WINDOW menu. Click on the NEW button. Type the name you want to use for the list. Then put in the full addresses of the recipients in the Address(es) field. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:14:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: rytis@telerama.lm.com (Rytis Balciunas) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Address rewriter help needed Date: 11 Oct 1995 11:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: <45goti$f8@india.lm.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I am running into a bit of a problem trying to get what appears to be a simple address re-write working with MX 4.1, NETLIB 2.0, and CMUTek 6.6-5A. The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses show up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which the mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message Exchange Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all the MX mail routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". Here's the router path: Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local Domain="[204.171.144.2]", Path=Local Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local Domain="rtr", Path=Local Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="GATE.CALGCARB.COM" Which means anything that is in the calgcarb.com domain should be handled by the rtr node, anything else get shuffled off to node gate (which is also running MX) to shuffle off to the outside world. Here's gate's path: Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="gate.calgcarb.com", Path=Local Domain="[204.171.144.9]", Path=Local Domain="calgcarb.com", Path=SMTP, Route="RTR.CALGCARB.COM" Domain="gate", Path=Local Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP I first tried defining the usual rewrite rule on rtr: "<{user}@{host}.calgcarb.com>" => "<{user}@calgcarb.com> Sent a message to MX%"rytis@calgcarb.com" and the router log said (time stamps removed for de-cluttering): %PROCESS, Processing entry number 3 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: %REWRITE, Applying rewrite rule: <{user}@{host}.calgcarb.com> => <{user}@calgcarb.com> to: %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on calgcarb.com err=00000000 %FINDPATH, domain name CALGCARB.COM matched path pattern CALGCARB.COM %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop calgcarb.com, path 1 %FINDALIAS, no alias found for rytis %PROCESS, no alias found for rytis %PROCESS, this is just a local delivery %PROCESS, Adding to LOCAL path: rytis. %PROCESS, Path LOCAL gets 1 rcpts, entry number 4 Looks OK, except the message as delivered showed rytis@xnode.calgcarb.com Extreme confusion sets in. So, I get rid of the rewrite rule. Then, I compile and set up per instructions in the manual, the ADDRESS_REWRITER.C program, copy it into MX_EXE, create a blank aliases file, define MX_SITE_GENERIC as "calgcarb.com" and the MX_SITE_ALIASES_TMP file, ensure the files are w:RE, shut down and re-start MX. %PROCESS, Processing entry number 7 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 %PROCESS, Message originated in VMS Mail. %PROCESS, will run domain expander on envelope addresses. %PROCESS, Processing address: %PROCESS, ... address now reads: %PROCESS, will run domain expander on message headers. %PROCESS, ... Header rewrite of Rytis Balciunas failed 00000000 %PROCESS, ... Header rewrite of RYTIS@xnode.calgcarb.com failed 00000000 %PROCESS, Updating the QENT source address. %PROCESS, Finished VMSmail-origin preprocessing. %PROCESS, Recipient #0: %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched %REWRITE, Site-spec rewrite on err=00000000 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on xnode.calgcarb.com err=00000000 %FINDPATH, domain name XNODE.CALGCARB.COM matched path pattern *.CALGCARB.COM %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop xnode.calgcarb.com, path 2 %PROCESS, Adding to SMTP path: . %PROCESS, Path SMTP gets 1 rcpts, entry number 8 error code returned in all zeroes. It appears to have attempted the site- specific rewrite. Yet, it's not really happening. Anyone have any insight as to what stupidly obvious thing I am doing wrong (besides not really knowing what I'm doing :-})? ====================================================================== Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com or rytis@calgcarb.com) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:15:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Problems with SPAM to mailing list Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 08:47:46 +700 Message-ID: <45gove$an@mark.ucdavis.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU After having my mailing list spammed 5 days in a row by the Krazy Kevin Magazine subscription 1300 line post, I am looking for ways to prevent this. I could, of course, restrict posting to subscribers, but that would leave the 1000 odd -Digest subsribers unable to post (I'm about to do this anyway for the time being). I've considered looking at the MLF code to make changes so that it will search a -Digest subsriber list as well, if it exists. Another possiblity is to use the SITE interface (never looked at it) to put a limit on size of posting, or to look for various key words etc. Anyone have this, or a similar problem, or have any idea what might be the quickest way out of this mess (or, I shut down MLF and periodically check the input queues for spam messages and delete them before they go out). Thanks Mike =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Bowers Internet: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu University of California, Davis ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:02:06 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: quickie, in/out question. Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:16:50 GMT Message-ID: <45gu62$b30@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00997A23.EBFA4BC3.14@CCTR.UMKC.EDU>, Ron writes: #dont remember, is there anyway to "ban" a particular mailing address #from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all #listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? # #ps. yes, individual user from a list that needs to keep its protection # set at W:Enroll No, but if it is an entire site, you could setup some bogus Path so that the mail sent to the banned host gets lost.... Kludgy. -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:03:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: bnaibrit@clarknet.com (B'nai B'rith MIS) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: removing nodename prefixing Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 21:18:33 GMT Message-ID: <45h1p7$e80@clarknet.clark.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU We are running UUCP 2.0 on a MicroVAX 3100-80 with VAX/ OpenVMS 6.0. Connected to the network (via DECNET) is an AXP 2000 with OpenVMS AXP Ver V1.5-1H1. This machine is established as its own node. Our users are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some users originate their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the ALPHA. To send mail across the nodes, users merely preface the UUCP%"address@the.world" with NODENAME:: This causes no problems for sending mail. Everything works wonderfully on the way out. However (you knew that was coming!) if the recipient tries to REPLY to the message things start to get complicated. The two colons used to send the message across the NODES are often misinterpreted by MAIL systems. They are sometimes changed to periods or just plain garbage. Mail often comes in with odd addressing because we don't have any users with the usernames that are used when the return address gets changed. Any ideas on how we can remove the prefix from the usernames on the ALPHA?? I hope that someone else has had this problem and found a solution. Also, any recommendations on a mail user agent for VMS that may be thought of as "friendlier" than VMS MAIL?? Thanks in advance. Jay Corriveau ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:10:05 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:50:46 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rytis@telerama.lm.com Message-ID: <00997B79.CACE3020.2@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Address rewriter help needed Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com or rytis@calgcarb.com) writes: >The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses show >up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which the >mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message Exchange >Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all the MX mail >routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". I did this a while back with the MX_REPLY_TO logical name, calculated in SYS$SYLOGIN like this: $ define mx_reply_to "''f$edit(f$getjpi("","username"),"trim")'@mydomain" One could also, I suppose, define MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST to be simply "calgcarb.com". -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:12:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:52:08 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rytis@telerama.lm.com Message-ID: <00997B79.FBCE7040.4@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Address rewriter help needed Brian Tillman (tillman_brian@si.com) wrote: >One could also, I suppose, define MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST to be simply >"calgcarb.com". Make that "@calgcarb.com" -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:17:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:00:43 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mfrazier@us.oracle.com Message-ID: <00997B72.CD5AD2A0.8@borgil.us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: Problems with SPAM to mailing list |>After having my mailing list spammed 5 days in a row by the Krazy Kevin |>Magazine subscription 1300 line post, I am looking for ways to prevent |>this. |> |>I could, of course, restrict posting to subscribers, but that would |>leave the 1000 odd -Digest subsribers unable to post (I'm about to |>do this anyway for the time being). I've considered looking at the |>MLF code to make changes so that it will search a -Digest subsriber |>list as well, if it exists. Why? Maybe you don't want the overhead or the hassle, but my small list (under 50 subscriptions) requires the -Digest users to also SUBSCRIBE and SET NOMAIL to the regular list just so stuff like this can't happen. By doing this, the -Digest users can mail to the regular list, and they don't receive mail from it since they did a SET NOMAIL. Just an idea that you might want to consider. Maybe Hunter can release an early version of the stuff where there is not a seperate list for regular and -digest subscribers? ;^) Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:28:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:27:42 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: mfrazier@us.oracle.com Message-ID: <00997B76.92591780.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> Subject: Re: quickie, in/out question. |>#from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all |>#listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? |> |>No, but if it is an entire site, you could setup some bogus Path so that |>the mail sent to the banned host gets lost.... Kludgy. Taking this one step further, couldn't you define the entire site address to go to SITE, and then let it process the address for specific names? This would be a good addition to the user contributions if someone does work this out. Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:05:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:05:21 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997B84.363876E0.156@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #153 MX-List Digest Wed, 11 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 153 Today's Topics: *new* reply info: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 300+ Address rewriter help needed (3 msgs) Help with setting up electronic mailing list (2 msgs) Problems with SPAM to mailing list (2 msgs) quickie, in/out question. (2 msgs) removing nodename prefixing Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:03:27 -0500 From: For.a.prompter.reply.please.fax@If.you.do.not.have.a.fax.smail.is.ok Subject: *new* reply info: ===>> FREE 1 yr. 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DOBB'S JOURNAL DR. STRANGE (COMIC) DRUG & COSMETIC INDUSTRY EARLY AMERICAN LIFE EARLY CHILDHOOD NEWS EARLY CHILDHOOD TODAY EARTH EARTH JOURNAL EASY FAST "N FUN CROSSWORDS EATING WELL EBONY EBONY MAN (EM) ECONOMIST ECOTRAVELER ELECTRONIC GAMES ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY ELECTRONIC LEARNING ELECTRONICS NOW ELITE MAGAZINE ELLE (AMERICAN) ELLE DECOR ELLERY QUEEN'S MYSTERY ELLERY QUEEN'S MYSTERY EM (EBONY MAN) EMERGE ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD (ENR) ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY (EW) ENTREE ENTREPRENEUR ENVIRONMENT EQUITIES EQUUS ESQUIRE ESSENCE EUROPEAN CAR EXCALIBUR (COMIC) EXCEPTIONAL PARENT EXECUTIVE FEMALE FAITH & STUFF FAMILY CIRCLE FAMILY HANDYMAN FAMILY LIFE FANCY FOOD & CANDY FANGORIA FANTASTIC FOUR (COMIC) FANTASY & SCIENCE FICTION FAR OUT FARM BUILDING NEWS FARM & RANCH LIVING FARMERS DIGEST FASHION GUIDE FASHION KNITTING FATE FEDERAL TIMES FEMALE BODYBUILDING FIELD & STREAM FIGHTING KNIVES FIGHTING STARS NINJA MAGAZINE FILM THREAT FINANCIAL TIMES OF LONDON (MON - SAT) FINANCIAL WORLD FINE GARDENING FINE HOMEBUILDING FINE WOODWORKING FIREHOUSE FISHING FACTS FISHING & HUNTING NEWS FISHING WORLD FIVE LITER MUSTANG FLARE FLASH (COMIC) FLEX FLOORING FLORIDA LIVING FLORIDA SPORTSMAN FLORIDA TREND FLORIDA VACATION RENTALS FLOWER & GARDEN FLY FISHERMAN FLY FISHING FLYING FLYING MODELS FOOD & WINE FOOTBALL DIGEST FOOTBALL NEWS FORBES FORCE WORKS (COMIC) FOREIGN AFFAIRS FOREIGN POLICY FORTUNE FORUM (PENTHOUSE) FOUR WHEEL / OFF ROAD FOUR WHEELER FRONT PAGE DETECTIVE FUN-ZONE FUR - FISH - GAME FUTURIFIC FUTURIFIC G.I. 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COOKBOOK NIGHT TRASHER (COMIC) NIGHT WATCH (COMIC) NO-TILL FARMER NORTH FLORIDA LIVING NORTH SHORE (CHICAGO) NOVA (COMIC) NUMISMATIC NEWS NURSING NUTRITION & DIETARY CONSULTANT NUTRITION HEALTH REVIEW OCCASIONAL BULLETIN OFF ROAD OFFICIAL CROSSWORD PUZZLES OFFICIAL DETECTIVE OFFICIAL MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ROOKIE LEAGUE MAGAZINE FOR KIDS OFFICIAL PENCIL PUZZLES / WORD GAMES OFFICIAL US CUSTOM HOUSE GUIDE OFFICIAL WORD SEARCH PUZZLES OLD CARS NEWS & MARKETPLACE OLD CARS PRICE GUIDE OLD HOUSE JOURNAL OLD TIME CROCHET OMNI ONLINE ACCESS ONSAT OPEN WHEEL OPERA NEWS OPPORTUNITY MAGAZINE ORGANIC GARDENING OUTDOOR LIFE OUTDOOR PHOTOGRAPHER OUTDOOR PRESS OUTSIDE OVERDRIVE PACIFIC NORTHWEST PACK -O-FUN PADDLE SPORTS PADDLER PAINTWORKS PALM BEACH LIFE PALM SPRINGS LIFE PARENTING PARENTS PARENTS OF TEENAGERS PASSION PASSION FOR MEN PC COMPUTING PC GAMER PC GAMES PC KIDS PC LAPTOP PC MAGAZINE PC NOVICE PC TODAY PC WORLD PC WORLD LOTUS EDITION PC WORLD MULTI MEDIA EDITION PCM PENNSYLVANIA SPORTSMAN PENTHOUSE PENTHOUSE LETTERS PEOPLE PET DEALER PHILADELPHIA PHOENIX HOME & GARDEN PHOTOGRAPH COLLECTOR PHOTOGRAPHIC PINHEAD (COMIC) PLANE & PILOT PLASTIC CANVAS PLASTIC CANVAS & MORE PLASTIC CANVAS WORLD PLAYBOY PLAYGIRL PLAYTHINGS POCKET CROSSWORD PUZZLES POLO POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS POPULAR ELECTRONICS POPULAR HOT RODDING POPULAR MECHANICS POPULAR PHOTOGRAPHY POPULAR SCIENCE POPULAR WOODWORKING PORTABLE COMPUTING POST SCRIPT POST SCRIPTS: ESSAYS IN FILM & THE HUMANITIES POWDER POWER & MOTOR YACHT PRACTICAL HORSEMAN PREMIERE PRESENT TENSE PREVENTION PRIVATE PILOT PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY PROGRESSIVE PROGRESSIVE FARMER PROTESTANT DELUXE BIBLE PROTESTANT FAMILY BIBLE PSYCHOLOGY TODAY PUBLISH PULSE PUNISHER 2099 (COMIC) PUNISHER (COMIC) PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL (COMIC) PUNISHER WAR ZONE (COMIC) QUASAR (COMIC) QUICK & EASY CRAFTS QUICK & EASY CROCHET QUICK & EASY NEEDLECRAFT QUICK & EASY PLASTIC CANVAS QUICK & EASY QUILTING QUILT WORLD QUILTER'S NEWSLETTER QUILTER'S TREASURY QUILTER'S TREASURY 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MAN OF STEEL (COMIC) SURFER SURFING SURPRISES SWAP USA SWAT T-SHIRT RETAILER TAMPA BAY CAREER GUIDE (WITH UPDATES) TASTE OF HOME TAX HOTLINE TCI TEACHING PRE K-8 TECHNOLOGY & LEARNING TEDDY BEAR REVIEW TEEN TEEN BEAT TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES (COMIC) TEK WORLD (COMIC) TENNIS TEXAS FISH & GAME TEXAS GARDENER THE SCIENCES THEATRE CRAFTS THEOLOGY TODAY THOR (COMIC) THREADS THREE-TWO-ONE CONTACT THUNDERSTRIKE (COMIC) TIME TODAY'S CATHOLIC TEACHER TODAY'S CHRISTIAN WOMAN TOLE WORLD TOTAL HEALTH TOURING AMERICA TOWN & COUNTRY TOY SHOP TRACK & FIELD NEWS TRADING CARDS TRADITIONAL HOME TRADITIONAL QUILTER TRAILER BOATS TRAILER LIFE TRANSFORMERS GENERATION 2 (COMIC) TRANSWORLD SKATEBOARDING TRAPPER & PREDATOR CALLER TRAVEL 50 & BEYOND TRAVEL AMERICA TRAVEL HOLIDAY TRAVEL & LEISURE TRAVELAMERICA TREASURE TRIATHLETE TRUE DETECTIVE TRUE STORY TU TURKEY & TURKEY HUNTING TURTLE TV CROSSWORDS TV HOST TV Y NOVELAS (PUERTO RICO) TV Y NOVELAS (USA) TWINS UNCANNY X-MEN (COMIC) UNDERWATER USA UNIQUE HAIR & BEAUTY UNIQUE HOMES US AVIATOR US CATHOLIC US MAGAZINE US NEWS & WORLD REPORT USA TODAY UTNE READER VACATIONS VANIDADES VANITY FAIR VARIATIONS (PENTHOUSE) VARIETY (WEEKLY) VEGETARIAN TIMES VEGGIE LIFE VERMONT LIFE VETTE VIBE VICTORIA VICTORIAN HOMES VIDEO GAMES & COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT VIDEO MAGAZINE VIDEO REVIEW VIDEOMAKER VIETNAM VILLAGE VOICE VIRTUAL REALITY WORLD VIRTUE VOGUE VOLLEYBALL MAGAZINE VOLLEYBALL MONTHLY VOTRE BEAUTE W MAGAZINE WALKING WALL STREET REPORTS WALL STREET TRANSCRIPTS WALLEYE WAR MACHINE (COMIC) WARLOCK & INFINITY WATCH (COMIC) WASHINGTON POST NATIONAL WEEKLY WASHINGTONIAN WATER SCOOTER WATERCRAFT WORLD WATERSKI WEARABLE CRAFTS WEARABLE WONDERS WEB OF SPIDERMAN (COMIC) WEEKEND WOODCRAFTS WEEKEND WOODWORKING PROJECTS WEEKLY WORLD NEWS WEIGHT WATCHERS WESTERN FRUIT GROWER WESTERN HORSEMAN WESTERN LIVESTOCK JOURNAL WESTERN OUTDOORS WHAT IF WHAT'S NEW IN HOME ECONOMICS WHERE TO RETIRE WILD THING (COMIC) WILD WEST WILDBIRD WILDLIFE CONSERVATION WIN MAGAZINE WINDOWS WINDOWS SOURCES WINDSURFING WING & SHOT WINGS WEST WINNING BICYCLE RACING ILLUSTRATED WIRED WISCONSIN OUTDOOR JOURNAL WOLVERINE (COMIC) WOMAN'S CIRCLE WOMAN'S DAY WOMEN & GUNS WOMEN'S CIRCLE WOMEN'S CIRCLE CROCHET WOMEN'S CIRCLE HOME COOKIN WOMEN'S HOUSEHOLD CROCHET WOMEN'S HOUSEHOULD WOMEN'S SPORTS & FITNESS WOMEN'S WEAR DAILY WONDER MAN (COMIC) WONDER WOMAN (COMIC) WOOD WOOD STROKES WOODEN BOAT WOODSHOP NEWS WOODWORKER WOODWORKER PROJECTS & TECHNIQUES WORD WIZE WORKBASKET WORKBENCH WORKING MOTHER WORKING WOMAN WORLD COIN NEWS WORLD & I WORLD PRESS REVIEW WORLD WAR II WORLDVIEW WORTH WRITER'S DIGEST X-FACTOR (COMIC) X-FORCE (COMIC) X-MEN 2099 (COMIC) X-MEN ADVENTURES (COMIC) X-MEN BRAND NEW (COMIC) X-MEN CLASSICS (COMIC) X-MEN EARLY YEARS (COMIC) YACHT RACING/CRUISING YACHTING YANKEE YM (YOUNG & MODERN) YOGA JOURNAL YOUR MONEY YSB (YOUNG SISTERS & BROTHERS) ZILLIONS ZOO BOOKS ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 1995 11:46:58 -0400 From: rytis@telerama.lm.com (Rytis Balciunas) Subject: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <45goti$f8@india.lm.com> I am running into a bit of a problem trying to get what appears to be a simple address re-write working with MX 4.1, NETLIB 2.0, and CMUTek 6.6-5A. The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses show up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which the mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message Exchange Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all the MX mail routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". Here's the router path: Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local Domain="[204.171.144.2]", Path=Local Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local Domain="rtr", Path=Local Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="GATE.CALGCARB.COM" Which means anything that is in the calgcarb.com domain should be handled by the rtr node, anything else get shuffled off to node gate (which is also running MX) to shuffle off to the outside world. Here's gate's path: Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="gate.calgcarb.com", Path=Local Domain="[204.171.144.9]", Path=Local Domain="calgcarb.com", Path=SMTP, Route="RTR.CALGCARB.COM" Domain="gate", Path=Local Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP I first tried defining the usual rewrite rule on rtr: "<{user}@{host}.calgcarb.com>" => "<{user}@calgcarb.com> Sent a message to MX%"rytis@calgcarb.com" and the router log said (time stamps removed for de-cluttering): %PROCESS, Processing entry number 3 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 %PROCESS, Recipient #0: %REWRITE, Applying rewrite rule: <{user}@{host}.calgcarb.com> => <{user}@calgcarb.com> to: %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on calgcarb.com err=00000000 %FINDPATH, domain name CALGCARB.COM matched path pattern CALGCARB.COM %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop calgcarb.com, path 1 %FINDALIAS, no alias found for rytis %PROCESS, no alias found for rytis %PROCESS, this is just a local delivery %PROCESS, Adding to LOCAL path: rytis. %PROCESS, Path LOCAL gets 1 rcpts, entry number 4 Looks OK, except the message as delivered showed rytis@xnode.calgcarb.com Extreme confusion sets in. So, I get rid of the rewrite rule. Then, I compile and set up per instructions in the manual, the ADDRESS_REWRITER.C program, copy it into MX_EXE, create a blank aliases file, define MX_SITE_GENERIC as "calgcarb.com" and the MX_SITE_ALIASES_TMP file, ensure the files are w:RE, shut down and re-start MX. %PROCESS, Processing entry number 7 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 %PROCESS, Message originated in VMS Mail. %PROCESS, will run domain expander on envelope addresses. %PROCESS, Processing address: %PROCESS, ... address now reads: %PROCESS, will run domain expander on message headers. %PROCESS, ... Header rewrite of Rytis Balciunas failed 00000000 %PROCESS, ... Header rewrite of RYTIS@xnode.calgcarb.com failed 00000000 %PROCESS, Updating the QENT source address. %PROCESS, Finished VMSmail-origin preprocessing. %PROCESS, Recipient #0: %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched %REWRITE, Site-spec rewrite on err=00000000 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on xnode.calgcarb.com err=00000000 %FINDPATH, domain name XNODE.CALGCARB.COM matched path pattern *.CALGCARB.COM %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop xnode.calgcarb.com, path 2 %PROCESS, Adding to SMTP path: . %PROCESS, Path SMTP gets 1 rcpts, entry number 8 error code returned in all zeroes. It appears to have attempted the site- specific rewrite. Yet, it's not really happening. Anyone have any insight as to what stupidly obvious thing I am doing wrong (besides not really knowing what I'm doing :-})? ====================================================================== Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com or rytis@calgcarb.com) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:50:46 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <00997B79.CACE3020.2@swdev.si.com> Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com or rytis@calgcarb.com) writes: >The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses show >up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which the >mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message Exchange >Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all the MX mail >routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". I did this a while back with the MX_REPLY_TO logical name, calculated in SYS$SYLOGIN like this: $ define mx_reply_to "''f$edit(f$getjpi("","username"),"trim")'@mydomain" One could also, I suppose, define MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST to be simply "calgcarb.com". -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:52:08 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <00997B79.FBCE7040.4@swdev.si.com> Brian Tillman (tillman_brian@si.com) wrote: >One could also, I suppose, define MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST to be simply >"calgcarb.com". Make that "@calgcarb.com" -- Brian tillman_brian@si.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 1995 23:34:10 GMT From: Louis Dachis Subject: Help with setting up electronic mailing list Message-ID: <45evti$1vs@marley.bitstream.net> I am trying to find out more about establishing an electronic mailing list. I would like to send investors in my company press releases and other materials in this way. Can I use Eudora or do I need some other program? Please understand that I am computer proficient but a net idiot so dummy any explaination down for me. Thank you. -Louis Dachis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:38:11 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Subject: Re: Help with setting up electronic mailing list Message-ID: <00997B5E.E3BD32E0.2@fred.bridgew.edu> Louis Dachis asks: >I am trying to find out more about establishing an electronic mailing list. ... > Can I use Eudora or do I need some other program? You can use Eudora. Select NICKNAMES from the WINDOW menu. Click on the NEW button. Type the name you want to use for the list. Then put in the full addresses of the recipients in the Address(es) field. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 08:47:46 +700 From: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Subject: Problems with SPAM to mailing list Message-ID: <45gove$an@mark.ucdavis.edu> After having my mailing list spammed 5 days in a row by the Krazy Kevin Magazine subscription 1300 line post, I am looking for ways to prevent this. I could, of course, restrict posting to subscribers, but that would leave the 1000 odd -Digest subsribers unable to post (I'm about to do this anyway for the time being). I've considered looking at the MLF code to make changes so that it will search a -Digest subsriber list as well, if it exists. Another possiblity is to use the SITE interface (never looked at it) to put a limit on size of posting, or to look for various key words etc. Anyone have this, or a similar problem, or have any idea what might be the quickest way out of this mess (or, I shut down MLF and periodically check the input queues for spam messages and delete them before they go out). Thanks Mike =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Bowers Internet: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu University of California, Davis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:00:43 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Subject: Re: Problems with SPAM to mailing list Message-ID: <00997B72.CD5AD2A0.8@borgil.us.oracle.com> |>After having my mailing list spammed 5 days in a row by the Krazy Kevin |>Magazine subscription 1300 line post, I am looking for ways to prevent |>this. |> |>I could, of course, restrict posting to subscribers, but that would |>leave the 1000 odd -Digest subsribers unable to post (I'm about to |>do this anyway for the time being). I've considered looking at the |>MLF code to make changes so that it will search a -Digest subsriber |>list as well, if it exists. Why? Maybe you don't want the overhead or the hassle, but my small list (under 50 subscriptions) requires the -Digest users to also SUBSCRIBE and SET NOMAIL to the regular list just so stuff like this can't happen. By doing this, the -Digest users can mail to the regular list, and they don't receive mail from it since they did a SET NOMAIL. Just an idea that you might want to consider. Maybe Hunter can release an early version of the stuff where there is not a seperate list for regular and -digest subscribers? ;^) Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:16:50 GMT From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: quickie, in/out question. Message-ID: <45gu62$b30@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <00997A23.EBFA4BC3.14@CCTR.UMKC.EDU>, Ron writes: #dont remember, is there anyway to "ban" a particular mailing address #from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all #listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? # #ps. yes, individual user from a list that needs to keep its protection # set at W:Enroll No, but if it is an entire site, you could setup some bogus Path so that the mail sent to the banned host gets lost.... Kludgy. -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:27:42 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Subject: Re: quickie, in/out question. Message-ID: <00997B76.92591780.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> |>#from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all |>#listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? |> |>No, but if it is an entire site, you could setup some bogus Path so that |>the mail sent to the banned host gets lost.... Kludgy. Taking this one step further, couldn't you define the entire site address to go to SITE, and then let it process the address for specific names? This would be a good addition to the user contributions if someone does work this out. Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 21:18:33 GMT From: bnaibrit@clarknet.com (B'nai B'rith MIS) Subject: removing nodename prefixing Message-ID: <45h1p7$e80@clarknet.clark.net> We are running UUCP 2.0 on a MicroVAX 3100-80 with VAX/ OpenVMS 6.0. Connected to the network (via DECNET) is an AXP 2000 with OpenVMS AXP Ver V1.5-1H1. This machine is established as its own node. Our users are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some users originate their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the ALPHA. To send mail across the nodes, users merely preface the UUCP%"address@the.world" with NODENAME:: This causes no problems for sending mail. Everything works wonderfully on the way out. However (you knew that was coming!) if the recipient tries to REPLY to the message things start to get complicated. The two colons used to send the message across the NODES are often misinterpreted by MAIL systems. They are sometimes changed to periods or just plain garbage. Mail often comes in with odd addressing because we don't have any users with the usernames that are used when the return address gets changed. Any ideas on how we can remove the prefix from the usernames on the ALPHA?? I hope that someone else has had this problem and found a solution. Also, any recommendations on a mail user agent for VMS that may be thought of as "friendlier" than VMS MAIL?? Thanks in advance. Jay Corriveau ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #153 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:38:07 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:35:04 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rytis@telerama.lm.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00997B90.BF01BE80.5@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Address rewriter help needed > I am running into a bit of a problem trying to get what appears to be a > simple address re-write working with MX 4.1, NETLIB 2.0, and CMUTek 6.6-5A. > > The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses > show up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which > the mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message > Exchange Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all > the MX mail routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". What happens when you edit MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT, changing: @rtr.calgcarb.com [or whatever the individual node happens to be] to: @calgcarb.com > Here's the router path: > > Domain-to-path mappings: > Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local > Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local > Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of *.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also Path=Local?) > I first tried defining the usual rewrite rule on rtr: Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail that you can see. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:54:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:53:39 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mikeb@radonc.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00997B93.577C4020.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Problems with SPAM to mailing list > After having my mailing list spammed 5 days in a row by the Krazy Kevin > Magazine subscription 1300 line post, I am looking for ways to prevent > this. > Another possiblity is to use the SITE interface (never looked at it) Here's the general outline. You finish it -- and if possible, document it here. Suppose you run mailing list Bigfoo@my.host.edu. Add the following to your MX configuration: DEFINE REWRITE_RULE DEFINE REWRITE_RULE DEFINE PATH "mod-in" SITE/ROUTE="MOD-IN" Next, create a SITE agent command file, MX_DEVICE:[MX.EXE]SITE_DELIVER.COM: $ SET NOON $ MX_ENTER := $MX_EXE:MX_SITE_IN $ $! Separate processing for different routes, as needed $ $ IF P1 .EQS. "ROUTE-1" THEN GOTO Route_1_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "ROUTE-2" THEN GOTO Route_2_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "MOD-IN" THEN GOTO Mod_In_Start $ EXIT 4 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ Mod_In_Start: $ $! $! Modify contents of dest-file (P3) to change from @MOD-IN to @my.host.edu $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MODERATED.DAT 'P3' $! $! At this point, employ whatever logic you want to decide if you want the $! file posted to the list or not. Write your own program to parse it. $! Use the VMS "Search" command to look for naughty strings. Whatever. $! Then, after having passed the tests, _if_ you want the message to go $! on, execute the following line: $! $ MX_ENTER 'P2' 'NEW_P3' "''P4'" $! $! If you don't want the message to go on, do nothing but fall through to $! what follows (required in both cases). $ $ DELETE 'NEW_P3' $ $ EXIT 1 File MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MODERATED.DAT contains: SUBSTITUTE/@MOD-IN>/-secret-code@my.host.edu>/ WHOLE /NOTYPE EXIT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:42:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:41:36 CST From: Ron Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00997BA2.6C116010.137@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: Re: quickie, in/out question. =>|>#from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all =>|>#listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? =>|> =>|>No, but if it is an entire site, you could setup some bogus Path so that =>|>the mail sent to the banned host gets lost.... Kludgy. => => Taking this one step further, couldn't you define the entire site => address to go to SITE, and then let it process the address for specific => names? => => This would be a good addition to the user contributions if someone does => work this out. =>/ Mike Frazier | \ Thanx Mike, actually, that would be pretty easy, set up a site path and then in the site_deliver.com, simply go to an $exit, since the original will then be deleted. The orig. problem was trying to keep a local user from getting back on to a "public" mailing list though, and me thinx its pretty much a lost cause. thanx all, for the suggestions. Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:30:59 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: jeh@cmkrnl.com (Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: removing nodename prefixing Message-ID: <1995Oct11.204300.6210@cmkrnl> Date: 11 Oct 95 20:43:00 PDT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU This is completely addressed in the UUCP 2.0 system manager's guide. You use the mail_rewrite.rules file to convert things like decnetnode::user@yourdomain.com to user@decnetnode.yourdomain.com on outbound mail, and the opposite on inbound mail. I'd say more here but I don't know what I'd say that I didn't put in the manual already. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows NT uucp protocol weenie and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) Working Group Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com (JH645) CompuServe: 74140,2055 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 05:31:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:31:22 EDT From: Dominique HOUVIEZ Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997C1E.B8601CA0.1@l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr> Subject: "Personal Name in mailing lists Hello, all Is there a mean, in a mailing list to add a "personal name" ? Something like : From: fisc@univ-lille3.fr (FISC Informations) Subject: bla bla bla ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (fisc being a mailing list) Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dominique HOUVIEZ | Email: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Centre de Ressources Informatiques | Universite Charles de Gaulle-Lille 3 | B.P. 149 | Tel: (33)20-41-61-21 F59653 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ Cedex | Fax: (33)20-41-63-79 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 06:34:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: rytis@telerama.lm.com (Rytis Balciunas) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Date: 12 Oct 1995 06:23:50 -0400 Message-ID: <45iqbm$asg@tusk.lm.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Brian Tillman (tillman_brian@si.com) wrote: >>One could also, I suppose, define MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST to be simply >>"calgcarb.com". > >Make that "@calgcarb.com" OK, that makes sense now. And accomplishes what I am looking for...almost: The "REPLY-TO" is now domain "calgcarb.com", as desired, but the "FROM" address still contains the local node name. I don't have tcp/ip on all my cluster nodes (don't need to), and the "FROM" address will simply contain the node name of system that does all the "internal" mail relay for us. The way I want all things to run is ALL mail must be relayed through one host in our domestic operations, regardless if it's path is "local" (meaning anything with a CALGCARB.COM domain name portion) or external (meaning anything that does NOT have CALGCARB.COM as part of its domain name). ------------------------- Jonathan E. Hardis (hardis@garnet.nist.gov) wrote: [snip] >> Here's the router path: >> >> Domain-to-path mappings: >> Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local >> Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local >> Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP > >Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have >a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS >entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of >*.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also >Path=Local?) Huh? As I wrote above, all hosts in CALGCARB.COM are considered local and must go through the relay host VAX (rtr.calgcarb.com) for internal deliveries. The rule here is persons must have a registered account (or at least a mail profile), and may set their forwarding TO any (or none) node they please. All I have is a VAX cluster and Novell servers running Pegasus mail with Mercury as the router. Mercury points to rtr.calgcarb.com for its delivery routing. So, if MX needs to handle user@calgcarb.com, it'll deliver to the VAX cluster (local). If it's user@novell_node.calgcarb.com, it'll deliver using SMTP. I suppose I'm heading for real trouble, if this isn't the "right" way to do this... >> I first tried defining the usual rewrite rule on rtr: > >Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail >looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail >that you can see. By "envelope", I suppose you mean the mail header, right? So, I remain confused as to what exactly will the rewrite rules and the ADDRESS_REWRITER will do, as opposed to simply defining some logical names as above... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 06:45:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net> From: "Rich Hill" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 07:36:04 -0500 Subject: MX Mailing Lists & PGP I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP encryption when posting to the list. What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and would like to get some expert advise. Thanks, Rich Hill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rich Hill S I M Rich.Hill@sim.org Systems Engineer b y EasyLink: 62923838 SIM USA, Inc. P r a y e r Phone: 1-704-587-1462 Charlotte, NC since 1893 FAX: 1-704-587-1518 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [SC] Smiley captioned for the humor impaired. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 07:50:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:50:14 -0400 Message-ID: <95101208501386@vdhvax.vdh.state.vt.us> From: "WPGATE::NOEL::JOHNR"@vdhvax.vdh.state.vt.us (John Royer) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@madgoat.com Subject: removing nodename prefixing - Reply >Our users are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some >users originate their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the >ALPHA. To send mail across the nodes, users merely preface the >UUCP%"address@the.world" with NODENAME:: This problem is not limited to UUCP users. Our users originate mail from WordPerfect Mail by prefacing SMTP%"address@the.world" with WPGATE:: >This causes no problems for sending mail. Everything works >wonderfully on the way out. However (you knew that was coming!) >if the recipient tries to REPLY to the message things start to >get complicated. The two colons used to send the message across >the NODES are often misinterpreted by MAIL systems. It appears we have the same problem or at least the same end result. This also prevents users from auto-subscribing to mailing lists using WP Mail. We've been unable to get help from either DEC or WPCorp. My earlier plea for help to this mailing list has gone unanswered. John G. Royer Information Systems Operations Analyst Vermont Department of Health Burlington, Vermont ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:45:38 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:12:32 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rytis@telerama.lm.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00997C13.B52A4700.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed >> Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail >> looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail >> that you can see. > By "envelope", I suppose you mean the mail header, right? No, by "envelope" I mean the envelope, not the mail headers (which, among other things, are things you CAN see). I believe this is explained in the MX manual. - Jonathan BTW: If MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST didn't make all the changes you want, poke around for an additional logical that does have the desired effect, both within MX and your transport layer. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:27:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:23:58 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997C26.11A60311.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: What is happening? Folks ... Just happened to see this in my MX queue. Notice its about 24 hours old! What's happening? How do I fix it?? SYSMGR? mcp que sho/full 63 Entry: 63, Origin: [SMTP] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 1450 bytes Created: 11-OCT-1995 10:48:47.38, expires 10-NOV-1995 10:48:47.38 Last modified 11-OCT-1995 10:48:56.55 LOCAL entry #66, status: READY, size: 1450 bytes Created: 11-OCT-1995 10:48:56.03, expires 10-NOV-1995 10:48:47.38 Last modified 11-OCT-1995 10:48:56.58 Recipient #1: dmiller, Route=BEAVER.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:25:19 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:21:18 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: SYSTEM@BEAVER.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU Message-ID: <00997C2E.142A4114.26@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: What is happening? Dave Miller writes: > >Folks ... > >Just happened to see this in my MX queue. Notice its about 24 hours old! >What's happening? How do I fix it?? > I've seen some cases where agents will pass over an entry, though I haven't tracked down why. In any case, MCP QUEUE READY the original entry and it should get delivered properly. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:29:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com> Date: 12 Oct 95 09:44:35 CST To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: > I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks > are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP > encryption when posting to the list. Sounds to me like they just heard a buzzword and want to jump on a bandwagon. > What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would > assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and > would like to get some expert advise. Well, there's no technical reason why you can't use pgp with a mailing list, since the pgp encryted message is just a normal text file. However, it doesn't seem feasible to do. The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that person's public key. Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. I vaguely remember that it is possible to have a message with multiple recipients, though I don't remember the technique. Or maybe not; maybe it's my imagination. In any case, it would be a huge PITA, because you would have to encrypt the message with the public key of every single person on the list. Now if you want to forget about encryption and use the *signature* capabilities of pgp, that would be feasible. The messages would all be in the clear, but you could quarantee that any message appearing on the list was actually written by a particular person. Wayne -- =============================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (214)553-9760 wayne@tachyon.com http://www.tachyon.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html pgp key via web/finger Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B =============================================================================== C3PO(during Falcon liftoff): "I'd forgotten how much I hate space travel." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:29:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <1995Oct12.095744.71@tachyon.com> Date: 12 Oct 95 09:57:44 CST To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: > In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: [stuff deleted] > The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp > messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that > person's public key. Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only > one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier > to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. > > I vaguely remember that it is possible to have a message with multiple > recipients, though I don't remember the technique. Or maybe not; maybe it's my > imagination. In any case, it would be a huge PITA, because you would have to > encrypt the message with the public key of every single person on the list. > To followup on my own post, I thought of something you could do: Treat the mailing list as if it was a person. Generate public and private keys for that pseudoperson and give both to everybody on the list. That way everybody on the list would be able to encrypt messages with the pseudoperson's public key and decrypt them with the private key. Anyone tracing the list traffic from the outside would be unable to decrypt the messages. Of course, this technique is not as secure as regular one-on-one pgp, because you now have the problem of key management, since you would have to distribute both keys to everyone. The pgp private key is normally kept in one place, but everyone on the list would need a copy. Public key cryptography systems are intended to solve key distribution problems, but you would be reintroducing them. Wayne -- =============================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (214)553-9760 wayne@tachyon.com http://www.tachyon.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html pgp key via web/finger Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B =============================================================================== C3PO(during Falcon liftoff): "I'd forgotten how much I hate space travel." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:08:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:08:06 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997C4D.C2F9B0C0.687@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #154 MX-List Digest Thu, 12 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 154 Today's Topics: "Personal Name in mailing lists Address rewriter help needed (3 msgs) MX Mailing Lists & PGP (3 msgs) Problems with SPAM to mailing list quickie, in/out question. removing nodename prefixing removing nodename prefixing - Reply What is happening? (2 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:31:22 EDT From: Dominique HOUVIEZ Subject: "Personal Name in mailing lists Message-ID: <00997C1E.B8601CA0.1@l3vx01.univ-lille3.fr> Hello, all Is there a mean, in a mailing list to add a "personal name" ? Something like : From: fisc@univ-lille3.fr (FISC Informations) Subject: bla bla bla ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (fisc being a mailing list) Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dominique HOUVIEZ | Email: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Centre de Ressources Informatiques | Universite Charles de Gaulle-Lille 3 | B.P. 149 | Tel: (33)20-41-61-21 F59653 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ Cedex | Fax: (33)20-41-63-79 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:35:04 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <00997B90.BF01BE80.5@garnet.nist.gov> > I am running into a bit of a problem trying to get what appears to be a > simple address re-write working with MX 4.1, NETLIB 2.0, and CMUTek 6.6-5A. > > The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses > show up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which > the mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message > Exchange Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all > the MX mail routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". What happens when you edit MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT, changing: @rtr.calgcarb.com [or whatever the individual node happens to be] to: @calgcarb.com > Here's the router path: > > Domain-to-path mappings: > Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local > Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local > Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of *.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also Path=Local?) > I first tried defining the usual rewrite rule on rtr: Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail that you can see. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 1995 06:23:50 -0400 From: rytis@telerama.lm.com (Rytis Balciunas) Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <45iqbm$asg@tusk.lm.com> Brian Tillman (tillman_brian@si.com) wrote: >>One could also, I suppose, define MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST to be simply >>"calgcarb.com". > >Make that "@calgcarb.com" OK, that makes sense now. And accomplishes what I am looking for...almost: The "REPLY-TO" is now domain "calgcarb.com", as desired, but the "FROM" address still contains the local node name. I don't have tcp/ip on all my cluster nodes (don't need to), and the "FROM" address will simply contain the node name of system that does all the "internal" mail relay for us. The way I want all things to run is ALL mail must be relayed through one host in our domestic operations, regardless if it's path is "local" (meaning anything with a CALGCARB.COM domain name portion) or external (meaning anything that does NOT have CALGCARB.COM as part of its domain name). ------------------------- Jonathan E. Hardis (hardis@garnet.nist.gov) wrote: [snip] >> Here's the router path: >> >> Domain-to-path mappings: >> Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local >> Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local >> Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP > >Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have >a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS >entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of >*.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also >Path=Local?) Huh? As I wrote above, all hosts in CALGCARB.COM are considered local and must go through the relay host VAX (rtr.calgcarb.com) for internal deliveries. The rule here is persons must have a registered account (or at least a mail profile), and may set their forwarding TO any (or none) node they please. All I have is a VAX cluster and Novell servers running Pegasus mail with Mercury as the router. Mercury points to rtr.calgcarb.com for its delivery routing. So, if MX needs to handle user@calgcarb.com, it'll deliver to the VAX cluster (local). If it's user@novell_node.calgcarb.com, it'll deliver using SMTP. I suppose I'm heading for real trouble, if this isn't the "right" way to do this... >> I first tried defining the usual rewrite rule on rtr: > >Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail >looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail >that you can see. By "envelope", I suppose you mean the mail header, right? So, I remain confused as to what exactly will the rewrite rules and the ADDRESS_REWRITER will do, as opposed to simply defining some logical names as above... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rytis T. Balciunas (rytis@telerama.lm.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:12:32 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <00997C13.B52A4700.1@garnet.nist.gov> >> Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail >> looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail >> that you can see. > By "envelope", I suppose you mean the mail header, right? No, by "envelope" I mean the envelope, not the mail headers (which, among other things, are things you CAN see). I believe this is explained in the MX manual. - Jonathan BTW: If MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST didn't make all the changes you want, poke around for an additional logical that does have the desired effect, both within MX and your transport layer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 07:36:04 -0500 From: "Rich Hill" Subject: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net> I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP encryption when posting to the list. What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and would like to get some expert advise. Thanks, Rich Hill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rich Hill S I M Rich.Hill@sim.org Systems Engineer b y EasyLink: 62923838 SIM USA, Inc. P r a y e r Phone: 1-704-587-1462 Charlotte, NC since 1893 FAX: 1-704-587-1518 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [SC] Smiley captioned for the humor impaired. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 95 09:44:35 CST From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com> In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: > I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks > are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP > encryption when posting to the list. Sounds to me like they just heard a buzzword and want to jump on a bandwagon. > What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would > assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and > would like to get some expert advise. Well, there's no technical reason why you can't use pgp with a mailing list, since the pgp encryted message is just a normal text file. However, it doesn't seem feasible to do. The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that person's public key. Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. I vaguely remember that it is possible to have a message with multiple recipients, though I don't remember the technique. Or maybe not; maybe it's my imagination. In any case, it would be a huge PITA, because you would have to encrypt the message with the public key of every single person on the list. Now if you want to forget about encryption and use the *signature* capabilities of pgp, that would be feasible. The messages would all be in the clear, but you could quarantee that any message appearing on the list was actually written by a particular person. Wayne -- =============================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (214)553-9760 wayne@tachyon.com http://www.tachyon.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html pgp key via web/finger Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B =============================================================================== C3PO(during Falcon liftoff): "I'd forgotten how much I hate space travel." ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 95 09:57:44 CST From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <1995Oct12.095744.71@tachyon.com> In article <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: > In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: [stuff deleted] > The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp > messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that > person's public key. Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only > one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier > to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. > > I vaguely remember that it is possible to have a message with multiple > recipients, though I don't remember the technique. Or maybe not; maybe it's my > imagination. In any case, it would be a huge PITA, because you would have to > encrypt the message with the public key of every single person on the list. > To followup on my own post, I thought of something you could do: Treat the mailing list as if it was a person. Generate public and private keys for that pseudoperson and give both to everybody on the list. That way everybody on the list would be able to encrypt messages with the pseudoperson's public key and decrypt them with the private key. Anyone tracing the list traffic from the outside would be unable to decrypt the messages. Of course, this technique is not as secure as regular one-on-one pgp, because you now have the problem of key management, since you would have to distribute both keys to everyone. The pgp private key is normally kept in one place, but everyone on the list would need a copy. Public key cryptography systems are intended to solve key distribution problems, but you would be reintroducing them. Wayne -- =============================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (214)553-9760 wayne@tachyon.com http://www.tachyon.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html pgp key via web/finger Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B =============================================================================== C3PO(during Falcon liftoff): "I'd forgotten how much I hate space travel." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:53:39 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Problems with SPAM to mailing list Message-ID: <00997B93.577C4020.1@garnet.nist.gov> > After having my mailing list spammed 5 days in a row by the Krazy Kevin > Magazine subscription 1300 line post, I am looking for ways to prevent > this. > Another possiblity is to use the SITE interface (never looked at it) Here's the general outline. You finish it -- and if possible, document it here. Suppose you run mailing list Bigfoo@my.host.edu. Add the following to your MX configuration: DEFINE REWRITE_RULE DEFINE REWRITE_RULE DEFINE PATH "mod-in" SITE/ROUTE="MOD-IN" Next, create a SITE agent command file, MX_DEVICE:[MX.EXE]SITE_DELIVER.COM: $ SET NOON $ MX_ENTER := $MX_EXE:MX_SITE_IN $ $! Separate processing for different routes, as needed $ $ IF P1 .EQS. "ROUTE-1" THEN GOTO Route_1_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "ROUTE-2" THEN GOTO Route_2_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "MOD-IN" THEN GOTO Mod_In_Start $ EXIT 4 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ $ Mod_In_Start: $ $! $! Modify contents of dest-file (P3) to change from @MOD-IN to @my.host.edu $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MODERATED.DAT 'P3' $! $! At this point, employ whatever logic you want to decide if you want the $! file posted to the list or not. Write your own program to parse it. $! Use the VMS "Search" command to look for naughty strings. Whatever. $! Then, after having passed the tests, _if_ you want the message to go $! on, execute the following line: $! $ MX_ENTER 'P2' 'NEW_P3' "''P4'" $! $! If you don't want the message to go on, do nothing but fall through to $! what follows (required in both cases). $ $ DELETE 'NEW_P3' $ $ EXIT 1 File MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MODERATED.DAT contains: SUBSTITUTE/@MOD-IN>/-secret-code@my.host.edu>/ WHOLE /NOTYPE EXIT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:41:36 CST From: Ron Subject: Re: quickie, in/out question. Message-ID: <00997BA2.6C116010.137@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> =>|>#from using an MX mailing list... overheard my boss comment that all =>|>#listservers have "trashcan" files, does ours? =>|> =>|>No, but if it is an entire site, you could setup some bogus Path so that =>|>the mail sent to the banned host gets lost.... Kludgy. => => Taking this one step further, couldn't you define the entire site => address to go to SITE, and then let it process the address for specific => names? => => This would be a good addition to the user contributions if someone does => work this out. =>/ Mike Frazier | \ Thanx Mike, actually, that would be pretty easy, set up a site path and then in the site_deliver.com, simply go to an $exit, since the original will then be deleted. The orig. problem was trying to keep a local user from getting back on to a "public" mailing list though, and me thinx its pretty much a lost cause. thanx all, for the suggestions. Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 95 20:43:00 PDT From: jeh@cmkrnl.com (Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems) Subject: Re: removing nodename prefixing Message-ID: <1995Oct11.204300.6210@cmkrnl> This is completely addressed in the UUCP 2.0 system manager's guide. You use the mail_rewrite.rules file to convert things like decnetnode::user@yourdomain.com to user@decnetnode.yourdomain.com on outbound mail, and the opposite on inbound mail. I'd say more here but I don't know what I'd say that I didn't put in the manual already. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows NT uucp protocol weenie and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) Working Group Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com (JH645) CompuServe: 74140,2055 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:50:14 -0400 From: "WPGATE::NOEL::JOHNR"@vdhvax.vdh.state.vt.us (John Royer) Subject: removing nodename prefixing - Reply Message-ID: <95101208501386@vdhvax.vdh.state.vt.us> >Our users are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some >users originate their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the >ALPHA. To send mail across the nodes, users merely preface the >UUCP%"address@the.world" with NODENAME:: This problem is not limited to UUCP users. Our users originate mail from WordPerfect Mail by prefacing SMTP%"address@the.world" with WPGATE:: >This causes no problems for sending mail. Everything works >wonderfully on the way out. However (you knew that was coming!) >if the recipient tries to REPLY to the message things start to >get complicated. The two colons used to send the message across >the NODES are often misinterpreted by MAIL systems. It appears we have the same problem or at least the same end result. This also prevents users from auto-subscribing to mailing lists using WP Mail. We've been unable to get help from either DEC or WPCorp. My earlier plea for help to this mailing list has gone unanswered. John G. Royer Information Systems Operations Analyst Vermont Department of Health Burlington, Vermont ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:23:58 CDT From: Dave Miller Subject: What is happening? Message-ID: <00997C26.11A60311.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Folks ... Just happened to see this in my MX queue. Notice its about 24 hours old! What's happening? How do I fix it?? SYSMGR? mcp que sho/full 63 Entry: 63, Origin: [SMTP] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 1450 bytes Created: 11-OCT-1995 10:48:47.38, expires 10-NOV-1995 10:48:47.38 Last modified 11-OCT-1995 10:48:56.55 LOCAL entry #66, status: READY, size: 1450 bytes Created: 11-OCT-1995 10:48:56.03, expires 10-NOV-1995 10:48:47.38 Last modified 11-OCT-1995 10:48:56.58 Recipient #1: dmiller, Route=BEAVER.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:21:18 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: What is happening? Message-ID: <00997C2E.142A4114.26@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Dave Miller writes: > >Folks ... > >Just happened to see this in my MX queue. Notice its about 24 hours old! >What's happening? How do I fix it?? > I've seen some cases where agents will pass over an entry, though I haven't tracked down why. In any case, MCP QUEUE READY the original entry and it should get delivered properly. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #154 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:24:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:23:15 +0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Rick Stacks Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: removing nodename prefixing - Reply Message-ID: <19951013082318.039ed85a.in@pc-185-60.osmre.gov> At 08:50 1995/10/12 -0400, John Royer wrote: > >>Our users are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some >>users originate their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the >>ALPHA. To send mail across the nodes, users merely preface the >>UUCP%"address@the.world" with NODENAME:: > >This problem is not limited to UUCP users. Our users originate >mail from WordPerfect Mail by prefacing SMTP%"address@the.world" >with WPGATE:: > The WP Mail problem is because WP Mail is *NOT* RFC compliant. From the rumors I've heard there are no plans to make WP Mail on the VAX RFC compliant either. At our site we have the same problem; for those folks who occasionally send/receive internet mail they use WP Mail. For those of us who receive/send large amounts of internet mail we use WP Mail for in-house stuff and either VMS Mail, Pegasus, or Eudora for all internet mail. > [snip] > >It appears we have the same problem or at least the same end >result. This also prevents users from auto-subscribing to >mailing lists using WP Mail. We've been unable to get help from >either DEC or WPCorp. My earlier plea for help to this mailing >list has gone unanswered. > Our users can auto-subscribe -- its a weird address, but it does work. DEC can't help; it's not their problem. WPCorp won't help for the VAX software; Spire might if they're pestered enough about it -- Spire does the support for the VAX WP product. -- Rick -- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept of Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 voice:501-682-0671 fax:501-682-0707 email:stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:30:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: removing nodename prefixing Date: 13 Oct 1995 17:41:31 GMT Message-ID: <45m8cb$ctt@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <45h1p7$e80@clarknet.clark.net>, bnaibrit@clarknet.com (B'nai B'rith MIS) writes: =We are running UUCP 2.0 on a MicroVAX 3100-80 with VAX/ OpenVMS 6.0. =Connected to the network (via DECNET) is an AXP 2000 with OpenVMS AXP =Ver V1.5-1H1. This machine is established as its own node. Our users =are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some users originate =their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the ALPHA. To send mail =across the nodes, users merely preface the UUCP%"address@the.world" =with NODENAME:: = =This causes no problems for sending mail. Everything works =wonderfully on the way out. However (you knew that was coming!) if =the recipient tries to REPLY to the message things start to get =complicated. The two colons used to send the message across the NODES =are often misinterpreted by MAIL systems. They are sometimes changed =to periods or just plain garbage. Mail often comes in with odd =addressing because we don't have any users with the usernames that are =used when the return address gets changed. = =Any ideas on how we can remove the prefix from the usernames on the =ALPHA?? I hope that someone else has had this problem and found a =solution. Why not set up SMTP over DECnet between the Alpha and the Microvax (I assume since you posted this to vmsnet.mail.mx you're using the MX mailer)? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:05:05 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Date: 13 Oct 1995 18:40:02 GMT Message-ID: <45mbq3$190@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: #I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks #are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP #encryption when posting to the list. # #What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would #assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and #would like to get some expert advise. Sure, they can do that. MX doesn't pay any attention to what's inside the messages, so they can be PGP encrypted if you want. -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:04:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:03:45 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997D16.5222DF60.147@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #155 MX-List Digest Fri, 13 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 155 Today's Topics: MX Mailing Lists & PGP removing nodename prefixing removing nodename prefixing - Reply Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Oct 1995 18:40:02 GMT From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <45mbq3$190@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: #I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks #are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP #encryption when posting to the list. # #What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would #assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and #would like to get some expert advise. Sure, they can do that. MX doesn't pay any attention to what's inside the messages, so they can be PGP encrypted if you want. -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 1995 17:41:31 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: removing nodename prefixing Message-ID: <45m8cb$ctt@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <45h1p7$e80@clarknet.clark.net>, bnaibrit@clarknet.com (B'nai B'rith MIS) writes: =We are running UUCP 2.0 on a MicroVAX 3100-80 with VAX/ OpenVMS 6.0. =Connected to the network (via DECNET) is an AXP 2000 with OpenVMS AXP =Ver V1.5-1H1. This machine is established as its own node. Our users =are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some users originate =their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the ALPHA. To send mail =across the nodes, users merely preface the UUCP%"address@the.world" =with NODENAME:: = =This causes no problems for sending mail. Everything works =wonderfully on the way out. However (you knew that was coming!) if =the recipient tries to REPLY to the message things start to get =complicated. The two colons used to send the message across the NODES =are often misinterpreted by MAIL systems. They are sometimes changed =to periods or just plain garbage. Mail often comes in with odd =addressing because we don't have any users with the usernames that are =used when the return address gets changed. = =Any ideas on how we can remove the prefix from the usernames on the =ALPHA?? I hope that someone else has had this problem and found a =solution. Why not set up SMTP over DECnet between the Alpha and the Microvax (I assume since you posted this to vmsnet.mail.mx you're using the MX mailer)? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:23:15 +0600 From: Rick Stacks Subject: Re: removing nodename prefixing - Reply Message-ID: <19951013082318.039ed85a.in@pc-185-60.osmre.gov> At 08:50 1995/10/12 -0400, John Royer wrote: > >>Our users are using VMS-Mail to send/receive messages. Some >>users originate their mail on the MicroVAX and others on the >>ALPHA. To send mail across the nodes, users merely preface the >>UUCP%"address@the.world" with NODENAME:: > >This problem is not limited to UUCP users. Our users originate >mail from WordPerfect Mail by prefacing SMTP%"address@the.world" >with WPGATE:: > The WP Mail problem is because WP Mail is *NOT* RFC compliant. From the rumors I've heard there are no plans to make WP Mail on the VAX RFC compliant either. At our site we have the same problem; for those folks who occasionally send/receive internet mail they use WP Mail. For those of us who receive/send large amounts of internet mail we use WP Mail for in-house stuff and either VMS Mail, Pegasus, or Eudora for all internet mail. > [snip] > >It appears we have the same problem or at least the same end >result. This also prevents users from auto-subscribing to >mailing lists using WP Mail. We've been unable to get help from >either DEC or WPCorp. My earlier plea for help to this mailing >list has gone unanswered. > Our users can auto-subscribe -- its a weird address, but it does work. DEC can't help; it's not their problem. WPCorp won't help for the VAX software; Spire might if they're pestered enough about it -- Spire does the support for the VAX WP product. -- Rick -- Rick Stacks, Computer Section | They that give up essential liberty Ark Dept of Pollution Control | to obtain a little temporary safety 8001 National Dr. / POB 8913 | deserve neither liberty nor safety Little Rock, AR 72219 USA | -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 voice:501-682-0671 fax:501-682-0707 email:stacks@adpce.lrk.ar.us ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #155 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:45:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: RE: Address rewriter help needed Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:27:15 GMT Message-ID: <45mp43$ob1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00997B90.BF01BE80.5@garnet.nist.gov>, "Jonathan E. Hardis" writes: => The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses => show up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which => the mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message => Exchange Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all => the MX mail routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". = =What happens when you edit MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT, = changing: @rtr.calgcarb.com [or whatever the individual node happens to be] = to: @calgcarb.com = => Here's the router path: => => Domain-to-path mappings: => Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local => Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local => Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP = =Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have =a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS =entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of =*.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also =Path=Local?) Here's one possibility: On RTR.CALGCARB.COM, one has used MAIL's SET FORWARD command to use SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA as a database that maps usernames on RTR.CALGCARB.COM to the real addresses of the users on the actual machines in the domain (Why would you want to do that? Well, if you've got folks who move from machine to machine from time to time, it means you don't have to count on the users setting forwarding addresses: When the administrative decision is made to move a user to a different machine, you simply update the database on RTR.CALGCARB.COM). So RTR.CALGCARB.COM has to be able to make the delivery to each of those machines. It may do so via SMTP. In that case the last line is necessary. MX receives the mail from the outside host, and attempts a local delivery. Because of the forwarding that's been set up, MAIL hands the message back to MX but with a specific host specified. MX then delivers the mail, via SMTP, to the correct destination. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:24:43 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Date: 14 Oct 1995 17:19:05 GMT Message-ID: <45ore9$6eq@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <45iqbm$asg@tusk.lm.com>, rytis@telerama.lm.com (Rytis Balciunas) writes: =>> Here's the router path: =>> =>> Domain-to-path mappings: =>> Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local =>> Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local =>> Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP => =>Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have =>a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS =>entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of =>*.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also =>Path=Local?) = =Huh? As I wrote above, all hosts in CALGCARB.COM are considered local and =must go through the relay host VAX (rtr.calgcarb.com) for internal =deliveries. The rule here is persons must have a registered account (or at =least a mail profile), and may set their forwarding TO any (or none) node =they please. All I have is a VAX cluster and Novell servers running Pegasus =mail with Mercury as the router. Mercury points to rtr.calgcarb.com for its =delivery routing. So, if MX needs to handle user@calgcarb.com, it'll =deliver to the VAX cluster (local). If it's user@novell_node.calgcarb.com, =it'll deliver using SMTP. I suppose I'm heading for real trouble, if this =isn't the "right" way to do this... The way you've got it set up IS the right way (and my guess as to why you'd set things up that way turned out to be correct). =>Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail =>looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail =>that you can see. = =By "envelope", I suppose you mean the mail header, right? No. He means the information that's only stored in the queue files and which is used in the "MAIL FROM:" and "RCPT TO:" commands in the SMTP protocol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:12:17 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Date: 14 Oct 1995 18:06:05 GMT Message-ID: <45ou6d$8rt@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: =In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: => I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks => are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP => encryption when posting to the list. = =Sounds to me like they just heard a buzzword and want to jump on a bandwagon. = => What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would => assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and => would like to get some expert advise. = =Well, there's no technical reason why you can't use pgp with a mailing list, =since the pgp encryted message is just a normal text file. However, it doesn't =seem feasible to do. It certainly is feasible to do so. =The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp =messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that =person's public key. Or they're encrypted with the sender's private key, and may be decrypted with HIS public key. =Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only =one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier =to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. Nope. You're missing the point: You can send a message encrypted with your private key, then anybody with your public key can decrypt it, and have a fair amount of confidence that it was, indeed, you who sent the message. =Now if you want to forget about encryption and use the *signature* capabilities =of pgp, that would be feasible. The messages would all be in the clear, but =you could quarantee that any message appearing on the list was actually written =by a particular person. Er, Wayne? Think about how you'd go about doing that. Now apply the same technique to an entire encrypted message. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:02:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:02:04 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997DDF.4046EF60.248@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #156 MX-List Digest Sat, 14 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 156 Today's Topics: Address rewriter help needed (2 msgs) MX Mailing Lists & PGP Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:27:15 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <45mp43$ob1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <00997B90.BF01BE80.5@garnet.nist.gov>, "Jonathan E. Hardis" writes: => The goal at my site is to have the host portion of all mail addresses => show up as calgcarb.com, regardless of the actual node address from which => the mail originates. Yes, just like described on page 2-1 of the "Message => Exchange Programmer's Guide". "rtr.calgcarb.com" is the VAX that does all => the MX mail routing for me. I'm on node "xnode". = =What happens when you edit MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT, = changing: @rtr.calgcarb.com [or whatever the individual node happens to be] = to: @calgcarb.com = => Here's the router path: => => Domain-to-path mappings: => Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local => Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local => Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP = =Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have =a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS =entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of =*.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also =Path=Local?) Here's one possibility: On RTR.CALGCARB.COM, one has used MAIL's SET FORWARD command to use SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA as a database that maps usernames on RTR.CALGCARB.COM to the real addresses of the users on the actual machines in the domain (Why would you want to do that? Well, if you've got folks who move from machine to machine from time to time, it means you don't have to count on the users setting forwarding addresses: When the administrative decision is made to move a user to a different machine, you simply update the database on RTR.CALGCARB.COM). So RTR.CALGCARB.COM has to be able to make the delivery to each of those machines. It may do so via SMTP. In that case the last line is necessary. MX receives the mail from the outside host, and attempts a local delivery. Because of the forwarding that's been set up, MAIL hands the message back to MX but with a specific host specified. MX then delivers the mail, via SMTP, to the correct destination. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 1995 17:19:05 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Address rewriter help needed Message-ID: <45ore9$6eq@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <45iqbm$asg@tusk.lm.com>, rytis@telerama.lm.com (Rytis Balciunas) writes: =>> Here's the router path: =>> =>> Domain-to-path mappings: =>> Domain="rtr.calgcarb.com", Path=Local =>> Domain="CALGCARB.COM", Path=Local =>> Domain="*.CALGCARB.COM", Path=SMTP => =>Think a minute. All outgoing mail from all of *.CALGCARB.COM will have =>a return address of CALGCARB.COM. Therefore, *all* hosts that have DNS =>entries as CALGCARB.COM must be able to deliver *all* mail to any of =>*.CALGCARB.COM. What is the last line supposed to do? (Why isn't it also =>Path=Local?) = =Huh? As I wrote above, all hosts in CALGCARB.COM are considered local and =must go through the relay host VAX (rtr.calgcarb.com) for internal =deliveries. The rule here is persons must have a registered account (or at =least a mail profile), and may set their forwarding TO any (or none) node =they please. All I have is a VAX cluster and Novell servers running Pegasus =mail with Mercury as the router. Mercury points to rtr.calgcarb.com for its =delivery routing. So, if MX needs to handle user@calgcarb.com, it'll =deliver to the VAX cluster (local). If it's user@novell_node.calgcarb.com, =it'll deliver using SMTP. I suppose I'm heading for real trouble, if this =isn't the "right" way to do this... The way you've got it set up IS the right way (and my guess as to why you'd set things up that way turned out to be correct). =>Rewrite rules have nothing to do with what the return address on mail =>looks like. They only affect the mail envelope, not any part of the mail =>that you can see. = =By "envelope", I suppose you mean the mail header, right? No. He means the information that's only stored in the queue files and which is used in the "MAIL FROM:" and "RCPT TO:" commands in the SMTP protocol. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 1995 18:06:05 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <45ou6d$8rt@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: =In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: => I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks => are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP => encryption when posting to the list. = =Sounds to me like they just heard a buzzword and want to jump on a bandwagon. = => What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would => assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and => would like to get some expert advise. = =Well, there's no technical reason why you can't use pgp with a mailing list, =since the pgp encryted message is just a normal text file. However, it doesn't =seem feasible to do. It certainly is feasible to do so. =The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp =messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that =person's public key. Or they're encrypted with the sender's private key, and may be decrypted with HIS public key. =Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only =one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier =to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. Nope. You're missing the point: You can send a message encrypted with your private key, then anybody with your public key can decrypt it, and have a fair amount of confidence that it was, indeed, you who sent the message. =Now if you want to forget about encryption and use the *signature* capabilities =of pgp, that would be feasible. The messages would all be in the clear, but =you could quarantee that any message appearing on the list was actually written =by a particular person. Er, Wayne? Think about how you'd go about doing that. Now apply the same technique to an entire encrypted message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #156 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:35:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <1995Oct14.181807.77@tachyon.com> From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: 14 Oct 95 18:18:07 CST To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <45ou6d$8rt@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: > In article <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: > =In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: > => I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks > => are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP > => encryption when posting to the list. > = > =Sounds to me like they just heard a buzzword and want to jump on a bandwagon. > = > => What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would > => assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and > => would like to get some expert advise. > = > =Well, there's no technical reason why you can't use pgp with a mailing list, > =since the pgp encryted message is just a normal text file. However, it doesn't > =seem feasible to do. > > It certainly is feasible to do so. Depends on your definition of feasible. > =The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp > =messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that > =person's public key. > > Or they're encrypted with the sender's private key, and may be decrypted with > HIS public key. If it can be decrypted with his public key, then it can be decrypted by anybody in the world, not just the people on the mailing list. The whole idea of a public key is that you shotgun it to as many people as possible. If anybody can decrypt, why bother to encrypt? Now, you could generate a second set of keys, and distribute the new public key only to people on the list. Of course, you would have to ensure that all of the people who received it kept it out of unauthorized hands. In this mode, the public key is really a secret key. Congratulations, now you're in secret key management, the very thing that public key cryptography is designed to eliminate. In public key cryptography, the secret key is kept in *one* place, maintained by *one* person, while everybody on the planet has the public key. What you're suggesting is certainly possible. Maybe it is feasible, depending on your definition of that relative term. But it is *not* as secure as PGP can be when used in the normal one-on-one mode. > =Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only > =one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier > =to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. > > Nope. You're missing the point: You can send a message encrypted with your > private key, then anybody with your public key can decrypt it, and have a fair > amount of confidence that it was, indeed, you who sent the message. That's the purpose of adding a signature to a plain text message. Why bother with the encryption if anybody can decrypt? > =Now if you want to forget about encryption and use the *signature* capabilities > =of pgp, that would be feasible. The messages would all be in the clear, but > =you could quarantee that any message appearing on the list was actually written > =by a particular person. > > Er, Wayne? Think about how you'd go about doing that. Now apply the same > technique to an entire encrypted message. As far as I'm concerned, adding a signature to a plaintext message is *exactly* the same thing as encrypting a message in such a way that anybody can decrypt. In both cases, you are verified as originator. In both cases, anybody can read the message. Why bother with the encryption? Just sign the damn thing and people can either verify the originator or not, depending whether they care who wrote it. Wayne -- =============================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (214)553-9760 wayne@tachyon.com http://www.tachyon.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html pgp key via web/finger Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B =============================================================================== C3PO(during Falcon liftoff): "I'd forgotten how much I hate space travel." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:48:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:48:14 EDT From: Brian Reed Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@madgoat.com Message-ID: <00997E0F.9BF56438.3@cbict3.cb.att.com> Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP >> Or they're encrypted with the sender's private key, and may be >> decrypted with HIS public key. >If it can be decrypted with his public key, then it can be decrypted >by anybody in the world, not just the people on the mailing list. Agreed--anyone could decrypt this. One thought I have. Create a key for the mailing list. Encrypt the message with this key, send it to the list. It decrypts it, then encrypts it with a subscriber's key before mailing it to that subscriber. I think someone did reply with the fact that you can encrypt a message to several recipients. However, I've also seen the problem that you can't do this (currently) for more than about 5-10 people, or you run out of room to put each name on the command line. That's the technical end--I still don't see the purpose in wanting to do this for a mailing list. Unless you have a secret club, with 200 members, and this was his way around the command-line limit. Brian D. Reed AT&T Columbus Works Brian.D.Reed@att.com 614-860-6218 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:14:05 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:13:34 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00997EAA.06041000.7@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #157 MX-List Digest Sun, 15 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 157 Today's Topics: MX Mailing Lists & PGP (2 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Oct 95 18:18:07 CST From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <1995Oct14.181807.77@tachyon.com> In article <45ou6d$8rt@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: > In article <1995Oct12.094435.70@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: > =In article <199510121144.HAA12359@redstone.interpath.net>, "Rich Hill" writes: > => I have had a query about setting up an MX mailing list. The folks > => are concerned about security and want to know if they can use PGP > => encryption when posting to the list. > = > =Sounds to me like they just heard a buzzword and want to jump on a bandwagon. > = > => What are the implications of PGP with MX mailing lists. I would > => assume that there are none, but I don't know anything about PGP, and > => would like to get some expert advise. > = > =Well, there's no technical reason why you can't use pgp with a mailing list, > =since the pgp encryted message is just a normal text file. However, it doesn't > =seem feasible to do. > > It certainly is feasible to do so. Depends on your definition of feasible. > =The whole idea of a mailing list is to send one message to many people. pgp > =messages are typically sent to a specific person and are encypted with that > =person's public key. > > Or they're encrypted with the sender's private key, and may be decrypted with > HIS public key. If it can be decrypted with his public key, then it can be decrypted by anybody in the world, not just the people on the mailing list. The whole idea of a public key is that you shotgun it to as many people as possible. If anybody can decrypt, why bother to encrypt? Now, you could generate a second set of keys, and distribute the new public key only to people on the list. Of course, you would have to ensure that all of the people who received it kept it out of unauthorized hands. In this mode, the public key is really a secret key. Congratulations, now you're in secret key management, the very thing that public key cryptography is designed to eliminate. In public key cryptography, the secret key is kept in *one* place, maintained by *one* person, while everybody on the planet has the public key. What you're suggesting is certainly possible. Maybe it is feasible, depending on your definition of that relative term. But it is *not* as secure as PGP can be when used in the normal one-on-one mode. > =Therefore if you post a message to the mailing list, only > =one person can read it, which defeats the purpose of the mailing list. Easier > =to just use normal one-to-one electronic mail in that case. > > Nope. You're missing the point: You can send a message encrypted with your > private key, then anybody with your public key can decrypt it, and have a fair > amount of confidence that it was, indeed, you who sent the message. That's the purpose of adding a signature to a plain text message. Why bother with the encryption if anybody can decrypt? > =Now if you want to forget about encryption and use the *signature* capabilities > =of pgp, that would be feasible. The messages would all be in the clear, but > =you could quarantee that any message appearing on the list was actually written > =by a particular person. > > Er, Wayne? Think about how you'd go about doing that. Now apply the same > technique to an entire encrypted message. As far as I'm concerned, adding a signature to a plaintext message is *exactly* the same thing as encrypting a message in such a way that anybody can decrypt. In both cases, you are verified as originator. In both cases, anybody can read the message. Why bother with the encryption? Just sign the damn thing and people can either verify the originator or not, depending whether they care who wrote it. Wayne -- =============================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (214)553-9760 wayne@tachyon.com http://www.tachyon.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html pgp key via web/finger Key fingerprint = 77 A5 C1 56 9C ED F1 8E 89 F9 27 3C 86 79 F7 1B =============================================================================== C3PO(during Falcon liftoff): "I'd forgotten how much I hate space travel." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:48:14 EDT From: Brian Reed Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <00997E0F.9BF56438.3@cbict3.cb.att.com> >> Or they're encrypted with the sender's private key, and may be >> decrypted with HIS public key. >If it can be decrypted with his public key, then it can be decrypted >by anybody in the world, not just the people on the mailing list. Agreed--anyone could decrypt this. One thought I have. Create a key for the mailing list. Encrypt the message with this key, send it to the list. It decrypts it, then encrypts it with a subscriber's key before mailing it to that subscriber. I think someone did reply with the fact that you can encrypt a message to several recipients. However, I've also seen the problem that you can't do this (currently) for more than about 5-10 people, or you run out of room to put each name on the command line. That's the technical end--I still don't see the purpose in wanting to do this for a mailing list. Unless you have a secret club, with 200 members, and this was his way around the command-line limit. Brian D. Reed AT&T Columbus Works Brian.D.Reed@att.com 614-860-6218 ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #157 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:33:16 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: What is happening? Date: 14 Oct 1995 21:18:26 GMT Message-ID: <45p9f2$8rt@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00997C26.11A60311.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu>, Dave Miller writes: =Folks ... = =Just happened to see this in my MX queue. Notice its about 24 hours old! =What's happening? How do I fix it?? Check to make sure the "MX Local" process hasn't died. If it has died, use the command: $ @SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP LOCAL to restart it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:12:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Behaviour of SMTP delivery agaent Date: 16 Oct 95 10:33:42 GMT Message-ID: <1995Oct16.103342@oxvaxd> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, Question: What controls the timeout of SMTP delivery agents? MX on our VAX (OpenVMS VAX 6.1, MX 4.1, Netlib 2.0F, UCX 3.3) is configured to send all outgoing mail to a mail router, which is defined as oxmail.ox.ac.uk. This has DNS MX records pointing to three mail routers, as shown here, (in order of preference): oxmail.ox.ac.uk has address 129.67.1.1 oxmail.ox.ac.uk mail is handled by oxmail2.ox.ac.uk oxmail.ox.ac.uk mail is handled by oxmail3.ox.ac.uk oxmail.ox.ac.uk mail is handled by oxmail1.ox.ac.uk Under normal circumstances nearly all outgoing mail is sent to oxmail2. We have three routers defined in this way so that (1) if oxmail2 crashes, oxmail3 should start handling outgoing mail, and (2) if oxmail2 can't accept any new connections, these should be dealt with by oxmail3 instead. If oxmail3 is also busy, oxmail1 should be used. In practice, situation (1) seems to work, but situation (2) does not. The problem seems to be that the SMTP delivery agent keeps trying to open a connection on oxmail2, but for whatever reason oxmail2 is busy and doesn't respond. Eventually the delivery agent gives up and requeues the message. An outgoing backlog builds up because the delivery agents are spending ages trying to open connections. What we would like to happen is for the delivery agent to time out quite quickly, and instead of requeuing the message to try to send it via one of the other routers. The message would only be requeued if none of the routers was able to accept it. Is this a realistic requirement, or am I being too optimistic? Any comments would be welcome! Dave -- David Hastings | "If liberty means anything at all, Systems Programmer/News Manager | it means the right to tell people Oxford University Computing Services | what they do not want to hear" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | - George Orwell ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:39:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Date: 16 Oct 1995 21:56:36 GMT Message-ID: <45ukek$bsp@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <1995Oct14.181807.77@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: =Now, you could generate a second set of keys, and distribute the new public key =only to people on the list. Of course, you would have to ensure that all of =the people who received it kept it out of unauthorized hands. In this mode, =the public key is really a secret key. Congratulations, now you're in secret =key management, the very thing that public key cryptography is designed to =eliminate. So? Just because PGP ALLOWS you to avoid secret key management doesn't mean that it REQUIRES you to do so. And, since PGP 1) Is free; and 2) Has been ported to many operating systems it's an attractive choice even if you're not using it in the mode for which it was specifically designed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:09:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: jeffo@worf.netins.net (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Subject: MX delivering to DECNET Date: 17 Oct 1995 14:49:50 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We are having a problem with MX delivering incoming SMTP mail to a DECNET address. Our setup is: +----+ | NOC|<------ INTERNET SMTP +----+ | V SMTP | V +----+ DECNET +-----+ |DATA|-------->|SPOCK| +----+ +-----+ NOC is a 486 PC running Linux and Sendmail 8.7 acting as our firewall mail router (there is no direct TCP/IP connectivity between the Internet and DATA). DATA is a DEC 3000/500 running VMS 6.1, MX 4.1, NETLIB 2.0, and Multinet 3.3. SPOCK is a VAX 4000-600A running VMS 5.5. Sending mail from DATA to SPOCK (mail/subject="test" spock::username) works correctly. However, incoming SMTP mail from the Internet cannot get to SPOCK. Turning debugging on the local delivery agent on DATA shows the following: 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.57 Processing queue entry number 15 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.98 Checking local name: SPOCK::NOCPAGER 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.98 LOCAL_USER: SPOCK::NOCPAGER looks like a DECnet address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.98 This is a regular delivery. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: mime_headers = 0 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: fdlstr = "" 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using MX%"manager@sparc1.netins.net" as VMSMAIL From address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using MX%"kevin@netins.net",MX%"nocpager@netins.com" as VMS MAIL To address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using as VMS MAIL CC address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using "SunNet Manager event: central-scott-hub.ia" as subject. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.31 DELIVER: Delivering to SPOCK::NOCPAGER 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.31 DELIVER: Status=007E803A from MAIL$ routines 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.31 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:42.03 Setting up for retry at 17-OCT-1995 14:38:42.03 help/message/status="%X007E803A" shows: LOGLINK, error creating network link to node 'node-name' Facility: MAIL, Mail Utility Explanation: An error occurred when MAIL tried to use the network to communicate with another system. User Action: Take action based on the accompanying message and reenter the command. Prior to installing MX, we were using Multinet SMTP which worked correctly. Can anyone help solve this problem? I can supply additional configuration information if needed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4beta, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMIQI2pwkOQz8sbZFAQHUQQP/chPyOi8pdluCGm/PR+54N35M22FrlpZA 1rzheQ99JWexLJjY46D2UHs+uvLoCXCxOitTpu+/rArfavsiu7cy6SJdQtSJpKvl SH6qmlg9apkktkmhTC0FhJwwJifoLpX3MZityRW3WSzq9pDN4wX0uKF+9HHyNhok uUyr2fNe/b4= =7jeF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Jeffrey C. Ollie Iowa Network Services System Administrator ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:21:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <01BA9C9B.A77904A0@Port004.isomedia.com> From: Robert Kapela Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu'" Subject: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:19:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit signon mx-list robert kapela ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:07:31 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:06:01 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099803B.4CA2E4E0.756@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #158 MX-List Digest Tue, 17 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 158 Today's Topics: Behaviour of SMTP delivery agaent MX delivering to DECNET MX Mailing Lists & PGP What is happening? Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:19:59 -0700 From: Robert Kapela Subject: Message-ID: <01BA9C9B.A77904A0@Port004.isomedia.com> signon mx-list robert kapela ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 95 10:33:42 GMT From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Subject: Behaviour of SMTP delivery agaent Message-ID: <1995Oct16.103342@oxvaxd> Hi, Question: What controls the timeout of SMTP delivery agents? MX on our VAX (OpenVMS VAX 6.1, MX 4.1, Netlib 2.0F, UCX 3.3) is configured to send all outgoing mail to a mail router, which is defined as oxmail.ox.ac.uk. This has DNS MX records pointing to three mail routers, as shown here, (in order of preference): oxmail.ox.ac.uk has address 129.67.1.1 oxmail.ox.ac.uk mail is handled by oxmail2.ox.ac.uk oxmail.ox.ac.uk mail is handled by oxmail3.ox.ac.uk oxmail.ox.ac.uk mail is handled by oxmail1.ox.ac.uk Under normal circumstances nearly all outgoing mail is sent to oxmail2. We have three routers defined in this way so that (1) if oxmail2 crashes, oxmail3 should start handling outgoing mail, and (2) if oxmail2 can't accept any new connections, these should be dealt with by oxmail3 instead. If oxmail3 is also busy, oxmail1 should be used. In practice, situation (1) seems to work, but situation (2) does not. The problem seems to be that the SMTP delivery agent keeps trying to open a connection on oxmail2, but for whatever reason oxmail2 is busy and doesn't respond. Eventually the delivery agent gives up and requeues the message. An outgoing backlog builds up because the delivery agents are spending ages trying to open connections. What we would like to happen is for the delivery agent to time out quite quickly, and instead of requeuing the message to try to send it via one of the other routers. The message would only be requeued if none of the routers was able to accept it. Is this a realistic requirement, or am I being too optimistic? Any comments would be welcome! Dave -- David Hastings | "If liberty means anything at all, Systems Programmer/News Manager | it means the right to tell people Oxford University Computing Services | what they do not want to hear" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | - George Orwell ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 1995 14:49:50 -0500 From: jeffo@worf.netins.net (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Subject: MX delivering to DECNET Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We are having a problem with MX delivering incoming SMTP mail to a DECNET address. Our setup is: +----+ | NOC|<------ INTERNET SMTP +----+ | V SMTP | V +----+ DECNET +-----+ |DATA|-------->|SPOCK| +----+ +-----+ NOC is a 486 PC running Linux and Sendmail 8.7 acting as our firewall mail router (there is no direct TCP/IP connectivity between the Internet and DATA). DATA is a DEC 3000/500 running VMS 6.1, MX 4.1, NETLIB 2.0, and Multinet 3.3. SPOCK is a VAX 4000-600A running VMS 5.5. Sending mail from DATA to SPOCK (mail/subject="test" spock::username) works correctly. However, incoming SMTP mail from the Internet cannot get to SPOCK. Turning debugging on the local delivery agent on DATA shows the following: 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.57 Processing queue entry number 15 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.98 Checking local name: SPOCK::NOCPAGER 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.98 LOCAL_USER: SPOCK::NOCPAGER looks like a DECnet address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:40.98 This is a regular delivery. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: mime_headers = 0 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: fdlstr = "" 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using MX%"manager@sparc1.netins.net" as VMSMAIL From address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using MX%"kevin@netins.net",MX%"nocpager@netins.com" as VMS MAIL To address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using as VMS MAIL CC address. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.02 DELIVER: Using "SunNet Manager event: central-scott-hub.ia" as subject. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.31 DELIVER: Delivering to SPOCK::NOCPAGER 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.31 DELIVER: Status=007E803A from MAIL$ routines 17-OCT-1995 14:08:41.31 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. 17-OCT-1995 14:08:42.03 Setting up for retry at 17-OCT-1995 14:38:42.03 help/message/status="%X007E803A" shows: LOGLINK, error creating network link to node 'node-name' Facility: MAIL, Mail Utility Explanation: An error occurred when MAIL tried to use the network to communicate with another system. User Action: Take action based on the accompanying message and reenter the command. Prior to installing MX, we were using Multinet SMTP which worked correctly. Can anyone help solve this problem? I can supply additional configuration information if needed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4beta, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMIQI2pwkOQz8sbZFAQHUQQP/chPyOi8pdluCGm/PR+54N35M22FrlpZA 1rzheQ99JWexLJjY46D2UHs+uvLoCXCxOitTpu+/rArfavsiu7cy6SJdQtSJpKvl SH6qmlg9apkktkmhTC0FhJwwJifoLpX3MZityRW3WSzq9pDN4wX0uKF+9HHyNhok uUyr2fNe/b4= =7jeF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Jeffrey C. Ollie Iowa Network Services System Administrator ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 1995 21:56:36 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX Mailing Lists & PGP Message-ID: <45ukek$bsp@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <1995Oct14.181807.77@tachyon.com>, wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell) writes: =Now, you could generate a second set of keys, and distribute the new public key =only to people on the list. Of course, you would have to ensure that all of =the people who received it kept it out of unauthorized hands. In this mode, =the public key is really a secret key. Congratulations, now you're in secret =key management, the very thing that public key cryptography is designed to =eliminate. So? Just because PGP ALLOWS you to avoid secret key management doesn't mean that it REQUIRES you to do so. And, since PGP 1) Is free; and 2) Has been ported to many operating systems it's an attractive choice even if you're not using it in the mode for which it was specifically designed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 1995 21:18:26 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: What is happening? Message-ID: <45p9f2$8rt@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <00997C26.11A60311.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu>, Dave Miller writes: =Folks ... = =Just happened to see this in my MX queue. Notice its about 24 hours old! =What's happening? How do I fix it?? Check to make sure the "MX Local" process hasn't died. If it has died, use the command: $ @SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP LOCAL to restart it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #158 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 04:49:18 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Behaviour of SMTP delivery agaent Date: 18 Oct 95 10:16:50 GMT Message-ID: <1995Oct18.101650@oxvaxd> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Further to my original message, this is the output from setting MX_SMTP_DEBUG on yesterday when our mailers were having problems getting messages in and out. It shows that the timeout was 75 seconds. Dave -- 17:55:31.62 Processing queue entry number 321 on node OXVAXD 17:55:31.89 Recipient: , route=oxmail.ox.ac.uk 17:55:31.89 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name oxmail.ox.ac.uk 17:55:33.40 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 17:55:34.53 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1] 17:56:49.19 -- failed, status=0000022C 17:56:49.19 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=0000022C 17:56:49.21 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9] 17:57:07.19 SMTP_SEND: Connected 17:57:15.05 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 Submitted & queued (msg.29672-0) 17:57:15.05 SMTP_SEND: Sent: QUIT 17:57:15.10 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 221 oxmail3 says goodbye to vax.ox.ac.uk at Tue Oct 17 17:57:15. 17:57:15.25 Recipient status=00000001 for 17:57:15.43 Entry now completely processed, no retries needed. 17:57:16.22 *** End of processing pass *** -- David Hastings | "If liberty means anything at all, Systems Programmer/News Manager | it means the right to tell people Oxford University Computing Services | what they do not want to hear" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | - George Orwell ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:05:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Subject: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Date: 19 Oct 1995 03:41:58 GMT Message-ID: <464he6$c55@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Besides the fact that the MX_LOCAL process dies routinely after upgrading to version VMS 6.2 because of the mail_shr memory leak problem, I am encountering a different problems. Users often send mail to host such as user@aol.com (AMERICA ON LINE) However, if you try to ping or traceroute to aol.com this host does not exist. According to one of the UNIX folks, aol.com is an MX entry rather than a actual host...I suppose that this is something like an alias. However, mail in the past has been sent to such an address but appears to be failing now with a "no such host" error. Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? We have no problem telneting or ftping to remote sites. Thanks for any help you can provide Charlie ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 07:46:05 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:42:30 EDT From: "Melissa Thomas, Computer Services" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: mdthomas@sae.ssu.umd.edu Message-ID: <00998187.4A959BAA.100@sae.ssu.umd.edu> Subject: RE: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) To all: I am also interested the Charlie's concern. Last week were experiencing the same problems as Charlie describes below on our Alpha running VMS 6.2, UCX 3.3, and MX 4.1: > Users often send mail to host such as user@aol.com (AMERICA ON LINE) >However, if you try to ping or traceroute to aol.com this host does >not exist. According to one of the UNIX folks, aol.com is >an MX entry rather than a actual host...I suppose that this is something >like an alias. However, mail in the past has been sent to such an >address but appears to be failing now with a "no such host" error. At the same time we were experiencing a queue manager memory problem. So we shutdown our system and brought it back up. When we did this our DNS failures for aol.com and other sites ceased. However, I did not know (or pay attention) about the following which Charlie referenced: >Besides the fact that the MX_LOCAL process dies routinely after upgrading >to version VMS 6.2 because of the mail_shr memory leak problem, I am >encountering a different problems. Where can I find more information about this topic? - Melissa ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Melissa Thomas Academic Analyst Internet: MDTHOMAS@SAE.SSU.UMD.EDU Salisbury State University BITNET: MDTHOMAS@SAE.TOWSON.EDU Take time today to give someone a hug, to share a friendly smile, and to recycle for a better earth tomorrow. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:13:44 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:13:14 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00998193.F752BA60.7@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) > Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail > and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to > regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). Within the domain name system (DNS), there are (among other things) "A" records that define domain names (as specific IP numbers), "CNAME" records that act as aliases, and "MX" records for Mail eXchange. MX records say to which actual computers (note the plural) mail addressed to a specific host may be sent. America Online has a number of hosts for which aol.com MX records exist. Presumably, each of these hosts knows how to handle all mail destined for anywhere at aol.com. MX records are very common at larger institutions, often defining a backup path to a specific host to handle the case when it is offline. From my VAX, mail to aol.com often takes many hours, many attempts, to succeed. What you are seeing may not be a problem at your end. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:56:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:54:36 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998199.BEB458C0.28@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Charlie writes: >Subj: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) >From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu >Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail >and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to >regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). >Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with >the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? We have no problem >telneting or ftping to remote sites. >Thanks for any help you can provide >Charlie An MX record in a Domain Name Server specifies a mail exchanger for a domain name: a host that will either process or forward mail for the domain name. (in the case in question, the domain name is "aol.com"). Processing the mail means either delivering the mail to the individual it is addressed to or passing it to another mail transport, such as UUCP. I don't know why it is not working. A couple of things to check if you are using UCX. 1. $ SHOW LOGICAL UCX$BIND_SERVER*. Are the IP addresses shown for the servers correct? There should be at least two. 2. $MCR UCX$NSLOOKUP > SET QUERYTYPE=MX > aol.com If you don't get a list of MX entries for aol.com, then something is probably wrong with your BIND server. Then you need to talk to whoever maintains that server. If you aren't using UCX, then use whatever nslookup program is available to you and specify the server that your VMS machine is using. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:02:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:01:08 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009981A3.09F2F4A0.12@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Subject: RE: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) > Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail > and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to > regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). >>From my VAX, mail to aol.com often takes many hours, many attempts, to >>succeed. What you are seeing may not be a problem at your end. - Jonathan We have had the same experience here: it takes many attempts to deliver a message to aol.com. But the messages waiting for delivery in the queue usually have one of 3 errors associated with them - device timeout, connect to network object rejected, or protocol error. I don't see "no such host". Unless someone has addressed the message as "aol.com." or "aolcom" or some other misspelling. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:35:24 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Date: 19 Oct 1995 19:21:09 GMT Message-ID: <4668fb$p47@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <464he6$c55@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>, cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: [...] #Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail #and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to #regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). The MX mailer most certainly looks for MX records, and processes them correctly. I've used MX for years, and we use it internally here, and it does process MX records (many sites, such as AOL.COM, host.ENET.DEC.COM, only have MX records for their hosts). RFC1123 requires that all SMTP implementations use DNS, and implement MX records: 5.3.5 Domain Name Support SMTP implementations MUST use the mechanism defined in Section 6.1 for mapping between domain names and IP addresses. This means that every Internet SMTP MUST include support for the Internet DNS. In particular, a sender-SMTP MUST support the MX record scheme [SMTP:3]. See also Section 7.4 of [DNS:2] for information on domain name support for SMTP. All mailers do support MX records (only a few really archaic mailers, or malconfigured mailers, don't support MX records). Basically, when a mail transfer agent (MTA) needs to send mail over SMTP, it tries to find an MX record for the destination. If there are MX records, it tries sending mail to them, using the one with the lowest MX value first. If there are no MX records, the mailer tries to find an A record (what you call an "official DNS entry") and send mail there. So, if you're debugging mail sent to username@AOL.COM, you don't simply try telnetting to the SMTP port on host AOL.COM -- instead, you have to look for MX records first (just like your mailer does). If you're running MultiNet, you would do: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP/TYPE=MX AOL.COM and then try the host with the lowest MX value first, then the next higher one, etc., until you connect to one. If two hosts have the same MX value, all of those are tried before the hosts with the higher values are tried. #Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with #the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? No. #We have no problem #telneting or ftping to remote sites. # #Thanks for any help you can provide #Charlie The 'no such host' error would happen if DNS lookups are failing (due to connectivity problems between your MX system and your local DNS server, or all of AOL's four nameservers). By default, MX tries querying the nameservers 12 times before giving up, which should be more than sufficient. When mail bounces, can you do the above NSLOOKUP command (or whatever is the appropriate command for your TCP/IP package)? -Dan Wing wing@tgv.com -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:06:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:05:14 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009981CD.85CFD780.249@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #159 MX-List Digest Thu, 19 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 159 Today's Topics: Behaviour of SMTP delivery agaent Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) (6 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 95 10:16:50 GMT From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Subject: Re: Behaviour of SMTP delivery agaent Message-ID: <1995Oct18.101650@oxvaxd> Further to my original message, this is the output from setting MX_SMTP_DEBUG on yesterday when our mailers were having problems getting messages in and out. It shows that the timeout was 75 seconds. Dave -- 17:55:31.62 Processing queue entry number 321 on node OXVAXD 17:55:31.89 Recipient: , route=oxmail.ox.ac.uk 17:55:31.89 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name oxmail.ox.ac.uk 17:55:33.40 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 17:55:34.53 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1] 17:56:49.19 -- failed, status=0000022C 17:56:49.19 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=0000022C 17:56:49.21 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9] 17:57:07.19 SMTP_SEND: Connected 17:57:15.05 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 Submitted & queued (msg.29672-0) 17:57:15.05 SMTP_SEND: Sent: QUIT 17:57:15.10 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 221 oxmail3 says goodbye to vax.ox.ac.uk at Tue Oct 17 17:57:15. 17:57:15.25 Recipient status=00000001 for 17:57:15.43 Entry now completely processed, no retries needed. 17:57:16.22 *** End of processing pass *** -- David Hastings | "If liberty means anything at all, Systems Programmer/News Manager | it means the right to tell people Oxford University Computing Services | what they do not want to hear" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | - George Orwell ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 1995 03:41:58 GMT From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu Subject: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <464he6$c55@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> Besides the fact that the MX_LOCAL process dies routinely after upgrading to version VMS 6.2 because of the mail_shr memory leak problem, I am encountering a different problems. Users often send mail to host such as user@aol.com (AMERICA ON LINE) However, if you try to ping or traceroute to aol.com this host does not exist. According to one of the UNIX folks, aol.com is an MX entry rather than a actual host...I suppose that this is something like an alias. However, mail in the past has been sent to such an address but appears to be failing now with a "no such host" error. Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? We have no problem telneting or ftping to remote sites. Thanks for any help you can provide Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:42:30 EDT From: "Melissa Thomas, Computer Services" Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <00998187.4A959BAA.100@sae.ssu.umd.edu> To all: I am also interested the Charlie's concern. Last week were experiencing the same problems as Charlie describes below on our Alpha running VMS 6.2, UCX 3.3, and MX 4.1: > Users often send mail to host such as user@aol.com (AMERICA ON LINE) >However, if you try to ping or traceroute to aol.com this host does >not exist. According to one of the UNIX folks, aol.com is >an MX entry rather than a actual host...I suppose that this is something >like an alias. However, mail in the past has been sent to such an >address but appears to be failing now with a "no such host" error. At the same time we were experiencing a queue manager memory problem. So we shutdown our system and brought it back up. When we did this our DNS failures for aol.com and other sites ceased. However, I did not know (or pay attention) about the following which Charlie referenced: >Besides the fact that the MX_LOCAL process dies routinely after upgrading >to version VMS 6.2 because of the mail_shr memory leak problem, I am >encountering a different problems. Where can I find more information about this topic? - Melissa ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Melissa Thomas Academic Analyst Internet: MDTHOMAS@SAE.SSU.UMD.EDU Salisbury State University BITNET: MDTHOMAS@SAE.TOWSON.EDU Take time today to give someone a hug, to share a friendly smile, and to recycle for a better earth tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:13:14 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <00998193.F752BA60.7@garnet.nist.gov> > Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail > and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to > regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). Within the domain name system (DNS), there are (among other things) "A" records that define domain names (as specific IP numbers), "CNAME" records that act as aliases, and "MX" records for Mail eXchange. MX records say to which actual computers (note the plural) mail addressed to a specific host may be sent. America Online has a number of hosts for which aol.com MX records exist. Presumably, each of these hosts knows how to handle all mail destined for anywhere at aol.com. MX records are very common at larger institutions, often defining a backup path to a specific host to handle the case when it is offline. From my VAX, mail to aol.com often takes many hours, many attempts, to succeed. What you are seeing may not be a problem at your end. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:54:36 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <00998199.BEB458C0.28@fred.bridgew.edu> Charlie writes: >Subj: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) >From: cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu >Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail >and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to >regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). >Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with >the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? We have no problem >telneting or ftping to remote sites. >Thanks for any help you can provide >Charlie An MX record in a Domain Name Server specifies a mail exchanger for a domain name: a host that will either process or forward mail for the domain name. (in the case in question, the domain name is "aol.com"). Processing the mail means either delivering the mail to the individual it is addressed to or passing it to another mail transport, such as UUCP. I don't know why it is not working. A couple of things to check if you are using UCX. 1. $ SHOW LOGICAL UCX$BIND_SERVER*. Are the IP addresses shown for the servers correct? There should be at least two. 2. $MCR UCX$NSLOOKUP > SET QUERYTYPE=MX > aol.com If you don't get a list of MX entries for aol.com, then something is probably wrong with your BIND server. Then you need to talk to whoever maintains that server. If you aren't using UCX, then use whatever nslookup program is available to you and specify the server that your VMS machine is using. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:01:08 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <009981A3.09F2F4A0.12@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) > Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail > and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to > regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). >>From my VAX, mail to aol.com often takes many hours, many attempts, to >>succeed. What you are seeing may not be a problem at your end. - Jonathan We have had the same experience here: it takes many attempts to deliver a message to aol.com. But the messages waiting for delivery in the queue usually have one of 3 errors associated with them - device timeout, connect to network object rejected, or protocol error. I don't see "no such host". Unless someone has addressed the message as "aol.com." or "aolcom" or some other misspelling. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 1995 19:21:09 GMT From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <4668fb$p47@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <464he6$c55@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>, cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: [...] #Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail #and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Mail destined to #regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). The MX mailer most certainly looks for MX records, and processes them correctly. I've used MX for years, and we use it internally here, and it does process MX records (many sites, such as AOL.COM, host.ENET.DEC.COM, only have MX records for their hosts). RFC1123 requires that all SMTP implementations use DNS, and implement MX records: 5.3.5 Domain Name Support SMTP implementations MUST use the mechanism defined in Section 6.1 for mapping between domain names and IP addresses. This means that every Internet SMTP MUST include support for the Internet DNS. In particular, a sender-SMTP MUST support the MX record scheme [SMTP:3]. See also Section 7.4 of [DNS:2] for information on domain name support for SMTP. All mailers do support MX records (only a few really archaic mailers, or malconfigured mailers, don't support MX records). Basically, when a mail transfer agent (MTA) needs to send mail over SMTP, it tries to find an MX record for the destination. If there are MX records, it tries sending mail to them, using the one with the lowest MX value first. If there are no MX records, the mailer tries to find an A record (what you call an "official DNS entry") and send mail there. So, if you're debugging mail sent to username@AOL.COM, you don't simply try telnetting to the SMTP port on host AOL.COM -- instead, you have to look for MX records first (just like your mailer does). If you're running MultiNet, you would do: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP/TYPE=MX AOL.COM and then try the host with the lowest MX value first, then the next higher one, etc., until you connect to one. If two hosts have the same MX value, all of those are tried before the hosts with the higher values are tried. #Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with #the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? No. #We have no problem #telneting or ftping to remote sites. # #Thanks for any help you can provide #Charlie The 'no such host' error would happen if DNS lookups are failing (due to connectivity problems between your MX system and your local DNS server, or all of AOL's four nameservers). By default, MX tries querying the nameservers 12 times before giving up, which should be more than sufficient. When mail bounces, can you do the above NSLOOKUP command (or whatever is the appropriate command for your TCP/IP package)? -Dan Wing wing@tgv.com -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #159 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:30:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: RE: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Date: 19 Oct 1995 23:02:23 GMT Message-ID: <466le4$qsa@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00998199.BEB458C0.28@fred.bridgew.edu>, smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu writes: #An MX record in a Domain Name Server specifies a mail exchanger for a domain #name: a host that will either process or forward mail for the domain name. #(in the case in question, the domain name is "aol.com"). Processing the mail #means either delivering the mail to the individual it is addressed to or #passing it to another mail transport, such as UUCP. # I don't know why it is not working. A couple of things to check if #you are using UCX. # #1. $ SHOW LOGICAL UCX$BIND_SERVER*. Are the IP addresses shown for the #servers correct? There should be at least two. If you're running a product that includes a BIND Server (newer versions of UCX, or any version TCPware, Pathway for VMS, or MultiNet), you should probably set yourself up to be a caching-only nameserver. This improves nameserver performance, as you don't have to send every single query over the network to your remote nameserver. Consult your vendor's documentation on how to set this up (usually, you simply point your resolver [which is what looks at the UCX$BIND_SERVER* logical if you're running UCX, or the MULTINET_NAMESERVERS logical if you're running MultiNet] at your own node, which is running a nameserver (the nameserver does the caching)). #2. $MCR UCX$NSLOOKUP # > SET QUERYTYPE=MX # > aol.com #If you don't get a list of MX entries for aol.com, then something is probably #wrong with your BIND server. Then you need to talk to whoever maintains #that server. # #If you aren't using UCX, then use whatever nslookup program is available to #you and specify the server that your VMS machine is using. Matt wrote a program called NSQUERY which is pretty neat; it runs on top of NETLIB, so it works with any TCP/IP implementation that works with MX. NSQUERY is available from ftp.spc.edu in [.macro32.savesets]. NSQUERY returns more information that NSLOOKUP and can be helpful in debugging DNS problems. It still isn't DIG (a Unix utility which automates many things that you have to do by [an experienced] hand with NSLOOKUP), but it is a step above bare-bones NSLOOKUP. -Dan Wing wing@tgv.com -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:24:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:14:44 CST From: Norma Riddle Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: riddle@VENUS.TWU.EDU Message-ID: <009982A0.6593E5A0.1256@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Subject: SMTP CLOSE_WAIT state connections... Hello, all... Has anyone experienced the following problem when using an off-line mail system such as Eudora? If so, perhaps you can point me in the right direction. Those people using Eudora experience long waits and timeouts when trying to send mail. We discover that we have a great many TCP SMTP connections in a CLOSE_WAIT state. We can get rid of these connections by rebooting the Vax, and Eudora mail sending improves greatly, but soon we begin to collect more CLOSE_WAIT connections, and it slows down again. In what seems to be a related problem, MX appears to be having a problem sending SMTP mail. I now have over 3500 SMTP Ready entries in the MX Queue. What to do? Ban the use of Eudora? (I'm tempted). I would certainly appreciate any words of wisdom. Here is version information: TGV MultiNet V3.3 Rev C04, VAX 6000-330, VAX/VMS V6.0 MX version id is: MX V4.1 VAX I will be most happy to provide any other needed information. Thanks in advance, Norma Riddle Programmer/Analyst III Academic Computing Texas Woman's University Denton, TX 76204 (817) 898-3288 riddle@twu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 21:40:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: SYSTEM@UHAVAX.HARTFORD.EDU (SYSTEM MANAGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? Date: 21 Oct 1995 01:11:44 GMT Message-ID: <469hch$g4g@ipgate.hartford.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: VAX/VMS 5.5-2 UCX 3.1 (or higher) MX 4.1 Thanks in advance. Dave Kelley University of Hartford kelley@uhavax.hartford.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:24:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: <95102114164348@zar.unizar.es> From: webmaster@zar.unizar.es Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Subject: problems Hi, I am new in this mailing-list since I am new with MX. I've just downloaded the mx041 package from wku ftp site and, after installation with vmsinstal, I have problems. The first is the next: after defining logicals, after configuration, when I do "@sys$startup:mx_startup" these error messages appear: ---------- %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C028C2 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C02D56 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C023AC %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available ---------- This is related with the message I obtain if I try to use mx instead smtp (I use UCX 3.2). I think this is, perhaps, the starting of all my problems. I want to create a mailing-list and to use the DELIVER package in order to improve the HTTP OSU SERVER. Thanks. /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | | Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | | University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | | Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:45:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:44:30 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: WEBMASTER@ZAR.UNIZAR.ES Message-ID: <0099834C.3197D65B.6@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: problems webmaster@zar.unizar.es writes: > > I've just downloaded the mx041 package from wku ftp site and, after > installation with vmsinstal, I have problems. > > The first is the next: after defining logicals, after configuration, > when I do "@sys$startup:mx_startup" these error messages appear: >---------- >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C028C2 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C02D56 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C023AC >%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed >-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available This means that you've exceeded the number of processes you can have at any one time. You need to increase the SYSGEN parameter MAXPROCESSCNT (and BALSETCNT too) and reboot your system for the changes to be made. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:26:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:48:12 -0500 To: For.a.prompter.reply.please.fax@If.you.do.not.have.a.fax.smail.is.ok (Patricia Eng, President, Association of International Students, Australia-New Zealand Chapter) From: For.a.prompter.reply.please.fax@If.you.do.not.have.a.fax.smail.is.ok (Patricia Eng, President, Association of International Students, Australia-New Zealand Chapter) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). ---> PLEASE NOTE THE NEW FAX # AND NEW SMAIL ADDRESS, AS SHOWN BELOW. TO RETURN THE "REQUEST FOR MORE INFO" FORM TO. 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THE OLD ADDRESS AND FAX # ARE NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL. <--- You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. ----> IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: (*please* make sure there is *no* cover page and your fax is only 1-page, as their fax is set-up to receive only 1-page faxes. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be auto-terminated at the start of the 2nd page, in order to allow space for everyone's replies to be received.. <---- Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Patricia Eng and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. (More info follows below the "Request for more info form" below.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form below. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and fax it to them in the USA at: 718-967-1550 (Fax line is open 24 hrs. per day, 7 days a week, but the *easiest* time to get your fax through is Mon-Fri, 9 am - 5 pm EST, due to the least # of faxes coming through during those hours.). ----> IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: (*please* make sure there is *no* cover page and your fax is only 1-page, as their fax is set-up to receive only 1-page faxes. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be auto-terminated at the start of the 2nd page, in order to allow space for everyone's replies to be received.. <---- or smail it to them at the following address: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 NOTE: for the fastest reply, please fax in the below form. If you do not have access to a fax at work or at home, then please send it in by smail (airmail). They will email you their FREE catalogue and complete info on how their club works within 1 business day of receiving your form. Replying does not mean you are committed to joining, only that you are seriously interested in receiving more info by email and then have a quick friendly, no obligation phone call made to you to answer your questions and explain how they work. If you do not have a printer on your computer, you may type out the below form, as long as you match all the text, line for line, letter for letter. All forms must be computer printed or type-written. They cannot process any handwritten documents. Step 1: fax or smail in the below form on a 1-page fax, with no cover page. Step 2: receive by email their full catalogue and info kit. Step 3. receive a phone call so that they can answer your questions and you can find out a little about each other. Step 4: you join them by making a first purchase when they call, you also get to choose a free sub with your first order. From that point forward, for your *next* orders you can order via phone or email, whichever is more convenient for you, as one of their existing members' privileges. All address changes and other customer service items can be initiated by you by email or phone, whichever is most convenient. They respond to all email within 1 business day of receipt. Step 5: all orders are acknowledged by formal computer printout/receipt by airmail (overseas) /first class mail (USA). *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover page) via 1-page fax to: 718-967-1550 in the USA or via smail (airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you: Catalogue format desired from below two choices: (1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on which format may be best for you). How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Patricia Eng's referral 102195-l *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* {{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer. Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed 525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one whole.}}} They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Patricia Eng ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! Please make sure to mention my name when you join. I will get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thanks. Here are just some of the titles that they carry............ 99% are available outside the USA to *all* countries. They can make special shipping arrangements for adult magazines to countries in Asia where they are normally very difficult to obtain. 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Message-ID: <469hch$g4g@ipgate.hartford.edu> A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: VAX/VMS 5.5-2 UCX 3.1 (or higher) MX 4.1 Thanks in advance. Dave Kelley University of Hartford kelley@uhavax.hartford.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:16:43 +0100 From: webmaster@zar.unizar.es Subject: problems Message-ID: <95102114164348@zar.unizar.es> Hi, I am new in this mailing-list since I am new with MX. I've just downloaded the mx041 package from wku ftp site and, after installation with vmsinstal, I have problems. The first is the next: after defining logicals, after configuration, when I do "@sys$startup:mx_startup" these error messages appear: ---------- %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C028C2 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C02D56 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C023AC %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available ---------- This is related with the message I obtain if I try to use mx instead smtp (I use UCX 3.2). I think this is, perhaps, the starting of all my problems. I want to create a mailing-list and to use the DELIVER package in order to improve the HTTP OSU SERVER. Thanks. /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | | Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | | University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | | Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:44:30 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: problems Message-ID: <0099834C.3197D65B.6@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> webmaster@zar.unizar.es writes: > > I've just downloaded the mx041 package from wku ftp site and, after > installation with vmsinstal, I have problems. > > The first is the next: after defining logicals, after configuration, > when I do "@sys$startup:mx_startup" these error messages appear: >---------- >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C028C2 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C02D56 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C023AC >%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed >-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available This means that you've exceeded the number of processes you can have at any one time. You need to increase the SYSGEN parameter MAXPROCESSCNT (and BALSETCNT too) and reboot your system for the changes to be made. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 1995 23:02:23 GMT From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <466le4$qsa@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <00998199.BEB458C0.28@fred.bridgew.edu>, smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu writes: #An MX record in a Domain Name Server specifies a mail exchanger for a domain #name: a host that will either process or forward mail for the domain name. #(in the case in question, the domain name is "aol.com"). Processing the mail #means either delivering the mail to the individual it is addressed to or #passing it to another mail transport, such as UUCP. # I don't know why it is not working. A couple of things to check if #you are using UCX. # #1. $ SHOW LOGICAL UCX$BIND_SERVER*. Are the IP addresses shown for the #servers correct? There should be at least two. If you're running a product that includes a BIND Server (newer versions of UCX, or any version TCPware, Pathway for VMS, or MultiNet), you should probably set yourself up to be a caching-only nameserver. This improves nameserver performance, as you don't have to send every single query over the network to your remote nameserver. Consult your vendor's documentation on how to set this up (usually, you simply point your resolver [which is what looks at the UCX$BIND_SERVER* logical if you're running UCX, or the MULTINET_NAMESERVERS logical if you're running MultiNet] at your own node, which is running a nameserver (the nameserver does the caching)). #2. $MCR UCX$NSLOOKUP # > SET QUERYTYPE=MX # > aol.com #If you don't get a list of MX entries for aol.com, then something is probably #wrong with your BIND server. Then you need to talk to whoever maintains #that server. # #If you aren't using UCX, then use whatever nslookup program is available to #you and specify the server that your VMS machine is using. Matt wrote a program called NSQUERY which is pretty neat; it runs on top of NETLIB, so it works with any TCP/IP implementation that works with MX. NSQUERY is available from ftp.spc.edu in [.macro32.savesets]. NSQUERY returns more information that NSLOOKUP and can be helpful in debugging DNS problems. It still isn't DIG (a Unix utility which automates many things that you have to do by [an experienced] hand with NSLOOKUP), but it is a step above bare-bones NSLOOKUP. -Dan Wing wing@tgv.com -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:14:44 CST From: Norma Riddle Subject: SMTP CLOSE_WAIT state connections... Message-ID: <009982A0.6593E5A0.1256@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Hello, all... Has anyone experienced the following problem when using an off-line mail system such as Eudora? If so, perhaps you can point me in the right direction. Those people using Eudora experience long waits and timeouts when trying to send mail. We discover that we have a great many TCP SMTP connections in a CLOSE_WAIT state. We can get rid of these connections by rebooting the Vax, and Eudora mail sending improves greatly, but soon we begin to collect more CLOSE_WAIT connections, and it slows down again. In what seems to be a related problem, MX appears to be having a problem sending SMTP mail. I now have over 3500 SMTP Ready entries in the MX Queue. What to do? Ban the use of Eudora? (I'm tempted). I would certainly appreciate any words of wisdom. Here is version information: TGV MultiNet V3.3 Rev C04, VAX 6000-330, VAX/VMS V6.0 MX version id is: MX V4.1 VAX I will be most happy to provide any other needed information. Thanks in advance, Norma Riddle Programmer/Analyst III Academic Computing Texas Woman's University Denton, TX 76204 (817) 898-3288 riddle@twu.edu ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #160 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:12:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: mx->uucp loop, fills disk Message-ID: <468apg$kfs_001@mis3.mccall.com> From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:13:04 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU For 3 days in a row now, someone's tried to send a message through my system (coming in via SMTP) to a uucp site I connect to that has put the mx->uucp process into a loop that gradually eats all the disk space on the drive MX keeps its files on. The image running in that process is MAIL_SERVER.EXE. My only guess is that the message has some overly long lines (it's a forwarded news article, and has a very long Path: line). I've saved the files from the queue directory in case anyone would like to see them to see if there's a way around this. I just upgraded to MX 4.1 yesterday in hopes it would make a difference, but now I see it is a DEC image that is looping, I see why that didn't help. :-) Does anyone know a way to keep this from happening? (Needless to say, it also bottles up the uucp queue, and eventually kills everything that uses that disk, including the ability of my slip link to restart itself in the case of a line drop.) -- Terry Poot The McCall Pattern Company Phone/Fax: (800)255-2762, (913)776-4041 615 McCall Road Home: Manhattan, KS 66502, USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:14:20 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Date: 22 Oct 1995 00:09:35 GMT Message-ID: <46c23v$dat@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <464he6$c55@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>, cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: = Users often send mail to host such as user@aol.com (AMERICA ON LINE) =However, if you try to ping or traceroute to aol.com this host does =not exist. According to one of the UNIX folks, aol.com is =an MX entry rather than a actual host... Correct. The MX entry points to hosts mail03.mail.AOL.COM, emin06.mail.AOL.COM, emin07.mail.AOL.COM, emin08.mail.AOL.COM, emin09.mail.AOL.COM, emin10.mail.AOL.COM, emin11.mail.AOL.COM, emin12.mail.AOL.COM, emin04.mail.AOL.COM, emin05.mail.AOL.COM, and mail05.mail.AOL.COM. =I suppose that this is something like an alias. No, what it is is a record in the DNS database that says, "If you want to send mail to user@AOL.COM, give it to one of the listed mail exchangers for delivery. =However, mail in the past has been sent to such an =address but appears to be failing now with a "no such host" error. = =Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail =and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Presumably, MX is not resolving the addresses because your underlying TCP/IP package isn't giving it the results of an MX record lookup, or the MX record lookup is failing. =Mail destined to =regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). An MX record *IS* an official DNS entry. =Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with =the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? We have no problem =telneting or ftping to remote sites. Well, presumably when you upgraded to VMS v6.2, you also upgraded or reinstalled your TCP/IP package. Check to see whether that package retrieves MX entries properly. If you're using Multinet as your TCP/IP package, try the command: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP AOL.COM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 08:27:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 08:25:59 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009983E0.7B2CE991.26@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Why is this entry so old? MXers: Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. TIA. ======================================================= MANAGER> mcp que sho/full 3 Entry: 3, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 237 bytes Created: 10-OCT-1995 23:17:58.54, expires 9-NOV-1995 23:17:58.54 Last modified 22-OCT-1995 08:13:07.27 SMTP entry #4, status: READY, size: 237 bytes, waiting for retry until 22-OCT-1995 08:31:08.28 Created: 10-OCT-1995 23:19:50.12, expires 9-NOV-1995 23:17:58.54 Last modified 22-OCT-1995 08:16:08.30 Recipient #1: , Route=igloo.com DNS errors=18 Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server Total matching entries: 1 SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 48 Number of DNS failure retries: 48 Accounting: disabled Default router: (none) //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:02:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:02:06 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998428.94D9F280.363@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #161 MX-List Digest Sun, 22 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 161 Today's Topics: mx->uucp loop, fills disk Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Why is this entry so old? Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:13:04 GMT From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) Subject: mx->uucp loop, fills disk Message-ID: <468apg$kfs_001@mis3.mccall.com> For 3 days in a row now, someone's tried to send a message through my system (coming in via SMTP) to a uucp site I connect to that has put the mx->uucp process into a loop that gradually eats all the disk space on the drive MX keeps its files on. The image running in that process is MAIL_SERVER.EXE. My only guess is that the message has some overly long lines (it's a forwarded news article, and has a very long Path: line). I've saved the files from the queue directory in case anyone would like to see them to see if there's a way around this. I just upgraded to MX 4.1 yesterday in hopes it would make a difference, but now I see it is a DEC image that is looping, I see why that didn't help. :-) Does anyone know a way to keep this from happening? (Needless to say, it also bottles up the uucp queue, and eventually kills everything that uses that disk, including the ability of my slip link to restart itself in the case of a line drop.) -- Terry Poot The McCall Pattern Company Phone/Fax: (800)255-2762, (913)776-4041 615 McCall Road Home: Manhattan, KS 66502, USA ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 1995 00:09:35 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <46c23v$dat@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <464he6$c55@oac4.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>, cooper@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes: = Users often send mail to host such as user@aol.com (AMERICA ON LINE) =However, if you try to ping or traceroute to aol.com this host does =not exist. According to one of the UNIX folks, aol.com is =an MX entry rather than a actual host... Correct. The MX entry points to hosts mail03.mail.AOL.COM, emin06.mail.AOL.COM, emin07.mail.AOL.COM, emin08.mail.AOL.COM, emin09.mail.AOL.COM, emin10.mail.AOL.COM, emin11.mail.AOL.COM, emin12.mail.AOL.COM, emin04.mail.AOL.COM, emin05.mail.AOL.COM, and mail05.mail.AOL.COM. =I suppose that this is something like an alias. No, what it is is a record in the DNS database that says, "If you want to send mail to user@AOL.COM, give it to one of the listed mail exchangers for delivery. =However, mail in the past has been sent to such an =address but appears to be failing now with a "no such host" error. = =Could someone perhaps explain what an MX entry is in terms of SMTP mail =and why the MX server is not resolving these address. Presumably, MX is not resolving the addresses because your underlying TCP/IP package isn't giving it the results of an MX record lookup, or the MX record lookup is failing. =Mail destined to =regular host (those with offical DNS entrys appear to work fine). An MX record *IS* an official DNS entry. =Is there perhaps something on this machine that might have changed with =the VMS 6.2 upgrade that could create this problem? We have no problem =telneting or ftping to remote sites. Well, presumably when you upgraded to VMS v6.2, you also upgraded or reinstalled your TCP/IP package. Check to see whether that package retrieves MX entries properly. If you're using Multinet as your TCP/IP package, try the command: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP AOL.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 08:25:59 CDT From: Dave Miller Subject: Why is this entry so old? Message-ID: <009983E0.7B2CE991.26@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> MXers: Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. TIA. ======================================================= MANAGER> mcp que sho/full 3 Entry: 3, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 237 bytes Created: 10-OCT-1995 23:17:58.54, expires 9-NOV-1995 23:17:58.54 Last modified 22-OCT-1995 08:13:07.27 SMTP entry #4, status: READY, size: 237 bytes, waiting for retry until 22-OCT-1995 08:31:08.28 Created: 10-OCT-1995 23:19:50.12, expires 9-NOV-1995 23:17:58.54 Last modified 22-OCT-1995 08:16:08.30 Recipient #1: , Route=igloo.com DNS errors=18 Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server Total matching entries: 1 SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 48 Number of DNS failure retries: 48 Accounting: disabled Default router: (none) //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #161 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:28:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:29:18 +0100 From: Herve Gilibert -CRITeR- Universite de St Etienne Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984AA.1BDF77E7.1@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> Subject: RE: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). > From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 21-OCT-1995 22:31:55.05 > Subj: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). > ---> PLEASE NOTE THE NEW FAX # AND NEW SMAIL ADDRESS, AS SHOWN BELOW. TO > RETURN THE "REQUEST FOR MORE INFO" FORM TO. THE OLD ADDRESS AND FAX # ARE > NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL. <--- > > You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of > the info request form below. > > ----> IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: > (*please* make sure there is *no* cover page and your fax is only 1-page, as > their fax is set-up to receive only 1-page faxes. Your fax goes directly onto > their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax > calls are set-up to > be auto-terminated at the start of the 2nd page, in order to allow space for > everyone's replies to be received.. <---- > > > > Hi fellow 'netters, > > My name is Patricia Eng and I recently started using a magazine > subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription > deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. > They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country > on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they > more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for > most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. > > Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their > competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price > guarantee. > > Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half > of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some > titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They > feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people > buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes > or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to > make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper > than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the > publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half > their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new > members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. > > Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and > cut-out all the middlemen. > > (More info follows below the "Request for more info form" below.) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and > juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form below. It has lists of > all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by > categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that > they sell. > > Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. > I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my > part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and > > fax it to them in the USA at: 718-967-1550 > > (Fax line is open 24 hrs. per day, 7 days a week, but the *easiest* time > to get your fax through is Mon-Fri, 9 am - 5 pm EST, due to the least # of > faxes coming through during those hours.). > > ----> IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: > (*please* make sure there is *no* cover page and your fax is only 1-page, as > their fax is set-up to receive only 1-page faxes. Your fax goes directly onto > their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax > calls are set-up to > be auto-terminated at the start of the 2nd page, in order to allow space for > everyone's replies to be received.. <---- > > > or smail it to them at the following address: > Magazine Club Inquiry Center > Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. > PO Box 990 > Staten Island NY 10312-0990 > > NOTE: for the fastest reply, please fax in the below form. If you do not > have access to a fax at work or at home, then please send it in by smail > (airmail). They will email you their FREE catalogue and complete info on > how their club works within 1 business day of receiving your form. > Replying does not mean you are committed to joining, only that you > are seriously interested in receiving more info by email and then have a > quick friendly, no obligation phone call made to you to answer your > questions and explain how they work. > > If you do not have a printer on your computer, you may type out the below > form, as long as you match all the text, line for line, letter for letter. > All forms must be computer printed or type-written. They cannot process > any handwritten documents. > > Step 1: fax or smail in the below form on a 1-page fax, with no cover page. > Step 2: receive by email their full catalogue and info kit. > Step 3. receive a phone call so that they can answer your > questions and you can find out a little about each other. > Step 4: you join them by making a first purchase when they call, you > also get to choose a free sub with your first order. > From that point forward, for your *next* orders you can > order via phone or email, whichever is more convenient for > you, as one of their existing members' privileges. All address > changes and other customer service items can be initiated by you > by email or phone, whichever is most convenient. They respond to > all email within 1 business day of receipt. > Step 5: all orders are acknowledged by formal computer printout/receipt > by airmail (overseas) /first class mail (USA). > > > *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* > REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover > page) via 1-page fax to: > 718-967-1550 in the USA > > or via smail (airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center > Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. > PO Box 990 > Staten Island NY 10312-0990 > > Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not > have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you > until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) > > Name: > Internet email address: > Smail home address: > City-State-Zip: > Country: > Work Tel. #: > Work Fax #: > Home Tel. #: > Home Fax #: > Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: > Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: > Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you: > Catalogue format desired from below two choices: > (1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on > which format may be best for you). > How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of > the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Patricia Eng's referral > 102195-l > *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* > > > {{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer. > Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed > 525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use > Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a > usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they > suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You > can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one > whole.}}} > > > They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are > less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other > times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. > They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. > > They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to > Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very > knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide. > > They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from > a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will > give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them > to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular > USA titles they sell. > > They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have > clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a > charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs) > that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very > friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I > moved from one country to another. > > The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" > (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase > automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts > as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls > you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes > he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he > insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I > sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future > orders (after your first order) via E-mail. > > He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know > just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, > he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he > still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long > distance rates are cheaper then. > > He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing > members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had > a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they > could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately > when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new > members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased > their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above > form to them, that is the way to get started! > > They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and > juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of > all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by > categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that > they sell. > > They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of > free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what > he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, > no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and > answer all your questions. > > Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. > > > Sincerely, > > Patricia Eng > > > ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net > who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join > and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for > each new person you get to join after you join! Please make sure to > mention my name when you join. I will get a free magazine for a year for > referring you. > Thanks. > > Here are just some of the titles that they carry............ 99% are > available outside the USA to *all* countries. They can make special > shipping arrangements for adult magazines to countries in Asia where they > are normally very difficult to obtain. > > ACCENT > ACCENT ON LIVING > ACCESSORIES > ACTION COMICS > ACTION PURSUIT GAMES > ADIRONDACK LIFE > ADVENTURE WEST > ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN (COMIC) > ADVERTISING AGE > ADVOCATE > AFRICAN PROFILES INTERNATIONAL > AIR CLASSICS > AIR COMBAT > AIR FORCE TIMES > AIR & SPACE > ALASKA > ALASKA MEN > ALASKA OUTDOORS > ALBUQUERQUE MONTHLY > ALFRED HITCHCOCK MYSTERY > ALLURE > ALOHA > AMATEUR RADIO TECHNICAL JOURNAL > AMAZING SPIDERMAN (COMIC) > AMERCAN HEALTH > AMERICA'S CIVIL WAR > AMERICAN ARTIST > AMERICAN ASTROLOGY > AMERICAN BABY > AMERICAN BABY > AMERICAN CAGE BIRD > AMERICAN COLLECTOR'S JOURNAL > AMERICAN COTTON GROWER > AMERICAN COWBOY > AMERICAN COWBOY > AMERICAN DEMOGRAPHICS > AMERICAN FORESTS > AMERICAN FRUIT GROWER > AMERICAN HANDGUNNER > AMERICAN HEALTH > AMERICAN HERITAGE (HARD COVER) > AMERICAN HERITAGE INVENTION & TECHNOLOGY > AMERICAN HERITAGE (SOFT COVER) > AMERICAN HISTORY ILLUSTRATED > AMERICAN JOURNAL OF MATERNAL / CHILD NURSING > AMERICAN JOURNAL OF NURSING > AMERICAN LIQUIDATION MONTHLY > AMERICAN PHOTO > AMERICAN SALON > AMERICAN SPECTATOR > AMERICAN SQUARE DANCE > AMERICAN VEGETABLE GROWER > AMERICAN VISIONS > AMERICAN WOODWORKER > AMERICANA > AMERICAS (ENGLISH) > AMERICAS (SPANISH) > AMIGA WORLD > ANALOG SCIENCE FICTION / FACT > ANTIQUE TRADER WEEKLY > ANTIQUES > ANTIQUING AMERICA > AQUARIUM FISH > ARCHAEOLOGY > ARCHITECTURAL DIGEST > ARCHITECTURE > ARIEL > ARMY TIMES > ART & ANTIQUES > ART & ANTIQUES INVESTMENT REPORT > ART IN AMERICA > ARTIST'S MAGAZINE > ARTNEWS > ARTS & ACTIVITIES > ASIAN SOURCES (COMPUTER PRODUCTS) > ASIAN SOURCES (ELECTRONICS) > ASIAN SOURCES (GIFTS & HOME) > ASIAN SOURCES (HARDWARE) > ASIMOV'S SCIENCE FICTION > ASTROLOGY > ATLANTA > ATLANTA HOMES & LIFESTYLES > ATLANTIC MONTHLY > AUDIO > AUDIO / VIDEO INTERIORS > AUDUBON > AUTO RACING DIGEST > AUTOMOBILE > AUTOMOTIVE NEWS > AUTOMUNDO > AUTOTRONICS > AUTOWEEK > AVENGERS (COMIC) > AVENGERS WEST COAST (COMIC) > AVIATION HERITAGE > BACK STAGE > BACKPACKER > BACKSTRETCH > BALTIMORE > BANK NOTE REPORTER > BARBIE (COMIC) > BARBIE FASHION BOOK (COMIC) > BARBIE MAGAZINE > BARELY LEGAL > BARTER NEWS > BASEBALL CARD PRICE GUIDE > BASEBALL CARDS MAGAZINE > BASEBALL DIGEST > BASEBALL WEEKLY (USA TODAY) > BASKETBALL DIGEST > BASKETBALL WEEKLY > BASS PLAYER > BASS & WALLEYE BOATS > BASSIN' > BATMAN (COMIC) > BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD > BERKSHIRE > BEST RECIPES > BETTER HOMES & GARDENS > BEVERAGE WORLD > BEVERAGE WORLD > BIBLE REVIEW > BIBLICAL ARCHAEOLOGY REVIEW > BICYCLE GUIDE > BICYCLING > BIG BEAUTIFUL WOMAN (BBW) > BIRD TALK > BIRDER'S WORLD > BLACK AXE (COMIC) > BLACK BELT > BLACK COLLEGIAN > BLACK ELEGANCE > BLACK ENTERPRISE > BLOOD HORSE > BLUE & GOLD ILLUSTRATED > BOARDROOM REPORTS > BOATING > BOATING WORLD > BODY - 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I > WORLD PRESS REVIEW > WORLD WAR II > WORLDVIEW > WORTH > WRITER'S DIGEST > X-FACTOR (COMIC) > X-FORCE (COMIC) > X-MEN 2099 (COMIC) > X-MEN ADVENTURES (COMIC) > X-MEN BRAND NEW (COMIC) > X-MEN CLASSICS (COMIC) > X-MEN EARLY YEARS (COMIC) > YACHT RACING/CRUISING > YACHTING > YANKEE > YM (YOUNG & MODERN) > YOGA JOURNAL > YOUR MONEY > YSB (YOUNG SISTERS & BROTHERS) > ZILLIONS > ZOO BOOKS > > -- Herve GILIBERT UUUU UUUU CRITeR UUUU UUUU Universite Jean Monnet St-Etienne UUUU UUUU 23, Rue du Dr. P. Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUUUUUUUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:29:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:28:33 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984AA.01182B3E.1@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Dave Miller writes: > >Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. >I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my >SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. > Two things: > DNS errors=18 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server [...] > Number of DNS failure retries: 48 For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my DNS server was not reachable for a few days. Unfortunately, I did *not* add code to time the message out after some period of time, and some DNS servers are never reachable (such as the one for the message above). Those stick around for quite a while, unfortunately. Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way around that problem too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:44:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:43:04 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984BC.CBEDAE80.23@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? Dave Kelley Writes: >Subj: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? >A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX >on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software >sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: > VAX/VMS 5.5-2 > UCX 3.1 (or higher) > MX 4.1 >Thanks in advance. >Dave Kelley >University of Hartford >kelley@uhavax.hartford.edu We are using IUPOP3 and it's working fine here. You can get it via anonymous ftp from ftp.indiana.edu. Our configuration is the same as yours, i.e., VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:56:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Robert H. McClanahan" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:53:28 -0600 Subject: Re: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU > A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX > on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software > sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: > > VAX/VMS 5.5-2 > UCX 3.1 (or higher) > MX 4.1 > > Thanks in advance. > > Dave Kelley > Dave, The following is a section from the CMU/IP FAQ, but it should apply to UCX. I am fairly certain that IUPOP3 is available for UCX. I have tried IUPOP3, but have found it quite buggy (at least the CMU/IP port). GTood luck, RHM From the CMU FAQ: 4.2.2 >>>> IUPOP3 [10-OCT-1994] ----------------- Summary: A POP3 mail server Description: POP3 is a protocol that allows a PC user to download mail from a central mail server and read it on the PC using PC style interfaces. A client that understands the POP protocol must run on the PC and many public domain or shareware ones are available (Win/QVT, Eudora, PC-Eudora, POPmail, Pegasus Mail and MINUET to name but a few). IUPOP3 is a POP3 server that runs under a number of systems, including VMS, and runs over the OpenCMU TCP/IP software (also UCX and Multinet). Pre-Requisites: IUPOP3 requires a specific library for OpenCMU, INET_CMUTIL. Note the original author of this software (see below) does NOT currently support a OpenCMU version. The OpenCMU port is a one off. Author: Indiana University Thanks to Brian T. Carcich for the OpenCMU port. Availability: ftp://ftp.indiana.edu/pub/vms/iupop3/v1.7/* ftp://ftp.indiana.edu/pub/vms/iupop3/v1.7-CMU-TEK/* ftp://ftp.kcl.ac.uk/iupop3/iupop3-017.* ftp://ftp.kcl.ac.uk/cmu-tcpip/inet_cmutil.bck +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:55:36 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Gary Zeus) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Installing Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:30:40 GMT Message-ID: <46gcf0$is@earth.njcc.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run MLF. Any caviats? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:38:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:35:24 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984CC.7D4E62C1.32@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Hunter: > For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). Ok, good. That's easy to fix. > > For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and > *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the > DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my > DNS server was not reachable for a few days. I suspected as much .. the counter never moved > Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way > around that problem too. Thanks! dave. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:40:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:27:38 +0100 Message-ID: <95102320273789@zar.unizar.es> From: webmaster@zar.unizar.es Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu Subject: Re: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? >>A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX >>on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software >>sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: >> VAX/VMS 5.5-2 >> UCX 3.1 (or higher) >> MX 4.1 > >We are using IUPOP3 and it's working fine here. You can get it via anonymous >ftp from ftp.indiana.edu. Our configuration is the same as yours, i.e., >VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1. Is there any POP-client for VMS? I know this is not the best place for asking this kind of question, but it is related to the mail (I promise not to use again the mailing-list for such kind of questions) /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | | Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | | University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | | Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:49:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:47:25 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: WEBMASTER@ZAR.UNIZAR.ES Message-ID: <009984D6.8CA5CC3E.22@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? webmaster@zar.unizar.es writes: > > Is there any POP-client for VMS? I know this is not the best place for asking > this kind of question, but it is related to the mail (I promise not to use > again the mailing-list for such kind of questions) > As far as I know, there isn't one yet, but one of my archives contributors recently told me that he was working on one. It'll be announced on my FSUPDATE list as soon as it's ready. FSUPDATE is cross-posted to comp.os.vms and vmsnet.sources.d. If you'd like to subscribe to the list, you can send the following command in the body of a mail message to : SUBSCRIBE FSUPDATE "Your real name here" Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:00:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:49:28 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984D6.D5C93711.33@uwwvax.uww.edu> Subject: RE: SMTP CLOSE_WAIT state connections... A recent poster said: => Has anyone experienced the following problem when using an off-line mail => system such as Eudora? If so, perhaps you can point me in the right => direction. => => Those people using Eudora experience long waits and timeouts when trying => to send mail. We are also are having problems with EUDORA and NUPOP, they never make a connection at prime times and we looking for help of any kind TGV MultiNet V3.4 Rev B-X ALPHA, VMS AXP V6.1 MX version id is: MX V4.1 VAX Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:49:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:46:28 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984DE.CC33E7E1.53@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Installing > Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run > MLF. Any caviats? Been doing it for years. Works great! Read the docs! //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:51:54 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:47:49 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mfrazier@us.oracle.com Message-ID: <009984DE.FCBD4940.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: Installing |> Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run |>MLF. Any caviats? Works great on my VAXstation 4000, and on a couple of MicroVAX 3100's that I use. Just remember that if the install complains about the queue file not getting created, you just need to run @SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP then go into MCP and use the CREATE QUEUE command that the install tells you to use. Best Wishes... Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:12:59 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: cho10604@pax.eunet.ch (Hanspeter Roth) Subject: canceling an entry by name_conversion Message-ID: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:30:37 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hello, at our site I encountered a message looping through our MX-gateway and back through another one. At the MX-gateway the message comes from VMS-mail and leaves through SMTP-mail. The other gateway is stripping off the Received: headers. Thus the loop can not be detected by an SMTP-Host. The loop is caused by an infinite forward/alias setting. Now in the Mx_site_name_conversion module I'm able to detect this condition. However I'm not able to cause the router to cancel this entry. I tryed to set the condition-code of convert() to SS$_ABORT. But this is recognized by router only that there had been no name-conversion. Any ideas to solve this problem? -Hanspeter ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:05:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:04:21 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009984F2.0F57E160.629@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #162 MX-List Digest Mon, 23 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 162 Today's Topics: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions canceling an entry by name_conversion Installing (3 msgs) POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? (4 msgs) SMTP CLOSE_WAIT state connections... Why is this entry so old? (2 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:29:18 +0100 From: Herve Gilibert -CRITeR- Universite de St Etienne Subject: Re: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions Message-ID: <009984AA.1BDF77E7.1@stroph.univ-st-etienne.fr> > From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 21-OCT-1995 22:31:55.05 > Subj: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). > ---> PLEASE NOTE THE NEW FAX # AND NEW SMAIL ADDRESS, AS SHOWN BELOW. TO > RETURN THE "REQUEST FOR MORE INFO" FORM TO. THE OLD ADDRESS AND FAX # ARE > NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL. <--- > > You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of > the info request form below. > > ----> IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: > (*please* make sure there is *no* cover page and your fax is only 1-page, as > their fax is set-up to receive only 1-page faxes. Your fax goes directly onto > their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax > calls are set-up to > be auto-terminated at the start of the 2nd page, in order to allow space for > everyone's replies to be received.. <---- > > > > Hi fellow 'netters, > > My name is Patricia Eng and I recently started using a magazine > subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription > deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. > They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country > on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they > more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for > most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. > > Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their > competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price > guarantee. > > Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half > of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some > titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They > feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people > buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes > or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to > make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper > than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the > publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half > their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new > members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. > > Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and > cut-out all the middlemen. > > (More info follows below the "Request for more info form" below.) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and > juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form below. It has lists of > all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by > categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that > they sell. > > Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. > I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my > part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and > > fax it to them in the USA at: 718-967-1550 > > (Fax line is open 24 hrs. per day, 7 days a week, but the *easiest* time > to get your fax through is Mon-Fri, 9 am - 5 pm EST, due to the least # of > faxes coming through during those hours.). > > ----> IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: > (*please* make sure there is *no* cover page and your fax is only 1-page, as > their fax is set-up to receive only 1-page faxes. Your fax goes directly onto > their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax > calls are set-up to > be auto-terminated at the start of the 2nd page, in order to allow space for > everyone's replies to be received.. <---- > > > or smail it to them at the following address: > Magazine Club Inquiry Center > Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. > PO Box 990 > Staten Island NY 10312-0990 > > NOTE: for the fastest reply, please fax in the below form. If you do not > have access to a fax at work or at home, then please send it in by smail > (airmail). They will email you their FREE catalogue and complete info on > how their club works within 1 business day of receiving your form. > Replying does not mean you are committed to joining, only that you > are seriously interested in receiving more info by email and then have a > quick friendly, no obligation phone call made to you to answer your > questions and explain how they work. > > If you do not have a printer on your computer, you may type out the below > form, as long as you match all the text, line for line, letter for letter. > All forms must be computer printed or type-written. They cannot process > any handwritten documents. > > Step 1: fax or smail in the below form on a 1-page fax, with no cover page. > Step 2: receive by email their full catalogue and info kit. > Step 3. receive a phone call so that they can answer your > questions and you can find out a little about each other. > Step 4: you join them by making a first purchase when they call, you > also get to choose a free sub with your first order. > From that point forward, for your *next* orders you can > order via phone or email, whichever is more convenient for > you, as one of their existing members' privileges. All address > changes and other customer service items can be initiated by you > by email or phone, whichever is most convenient. They respond to > all email within 1 business day of receipt. > Step 5: all orders are acknowledged by formal computer printout/receipt > by airmail (overseas) /first class mail (USA). > > > *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* > REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover > page) via 1-page fax to: > 718-967-1550 in the USA > > or via smail (airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center > Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. > PO Box 990 > Staten Island NY 10312-0990 > > Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not > have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you > until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) > > Name: > Internet email address: > Smail home address: > City-State-Zip: > Country: > Work Tel. #: > Work Fax #: > Home Tel. #: > Home Fax #: > Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: > Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: > Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you: > Catalogue format desired from below two choices: > (1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on > which format may be best for you). > How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of > the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Patricia Eng's referral > 102195-l > *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* > > > {{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer. > Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed > 525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use > Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a > usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they > suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You > can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one > whole.}}} > > > They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are > less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other > times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. > They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. > > They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to > Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very > knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide. > > They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from > a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will > give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them > to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular > USA titles they sell. > > They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have > clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a > charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs) > that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very > friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I > moved from one country to another. > > The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" > (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase > automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts > as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls > you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes > he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he > insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I > sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future > orders (after your first order) via E-mail. > > He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know > just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, > he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he > still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long > distance rates are cheaper then. > > He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing > members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had > a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they > could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately > when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new > members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased > their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above > form to them, that is the way to get started! > > They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and > juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of > all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by > categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that > they sell. > > They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of > free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what > he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, > no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and > answer all your questions. > > Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. > > > Sincerely, > > Patricia Eng > > > ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net > who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join > and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for > each new person you get to join after you join! Please make sure to > mention my name when you join. I will get a free magazine for a year for > referring you. > Thanks. > > Here are just some of the titles that they carry............ 99% are > available outside the USA to *all* countries. They can make special > shipping arrangements for adult magazines to countries in Asia where they > are normally very difficult to obtain. > > ACCENT > ACCENT ON LIVING > ACCESSORIES > ACTION COMICS > ACTION PURSUIT GAMES > ADIRONDACK LIFE > ADVENTURE WEST > ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN (COMIC) > ADVERTISING AGE > ADVOCATE > AFRICAN PROFILES INTERNATIONAL > AIR CLASSICS > AIR COMBAT > AIR FORCE TIMES > AIR & SPACE > ALASKA > ALASKA MEN > ALASKA OUTDOORS > ALBUQUERQUE MONTHLY > ALFRED HITCHCOCK MYSTERY > ALLURE > ALOHA > AMATEUR RADIO TECHNICAL JOURNAL > AMAZING SPIDERMAN (COMIC) > AMERCAN HEALTH > AMERICA'S CIVIL WAR > AMERICAN ARTIST > AMERICAN ASTROLOGY > AMERICAN BABY > AMERICAN BABY > AMERICAN CAGE BIRD > AMERICAN COLLECTOR'S JOURNAL > AMERICAN COTTON GROWER > AMERICAN COWBOY > AMERICAN COWBOY > AMERICAN DEMOGRAPHICS > AMERICAN FORESTS > AMERICAN FRUIT GROWER > AMERICAN HANDGUNNER > AMERICAN HEALTH > AMERICAN HERITAGE (HARD COVER) > AMERICAN HERITAGE INVENTION & TECHNOLOGY > AMERICAN HERITAGE (SOFT COVER) > AMERICAN HISTORY ILLUSTRATED > AMERICAN JOURNAL OF MATERNAL / CHILD NURSING > AMERICAN JOURNAL OF NURSING > AMERICAN LIQUIDATION MONTHLY > AMERICAN PHOTO > AMERICAN SALON > AMERICAN SPECTATOR > AMERICAN SQUARE DANCE > AMERICAN VEGETABLE GROWER > AMERICAN VISIONS > AMERICAN WOODWORKER > AMERICANA > AMERICAS (ENGLISH) > AMERICAS (SPANISH) > AMIGA WORLD > ANALOG SCIENCE FICTION / FACT > ANTIQUE TRADER WEEKLY > ANTIQUES > ANTIQUING AMERICA > AQUARIUM FISH > ARCHAEOLOGY > ARCHITECTURAL DIGEST > ARCHITECTURE > ARIEL > ARMY TIMES > ART & ANTIQUES > ART & ANTIQUES INVESTMENT REPORT > ART IN AMERICA > ARTIST'S MAGAZINE > ARTNEWS > ARTS & ACTIVITIES > ASIAN SOURCES (COMPUTER PRODUCTS) > ASIAN SOURCES (ELECTRONICS) > ASIAN SOURCES (GIFTS & HOME) > ASIAN SOURCES (HARDWARE) > ASIMOV'S SCIENCE FICTION > ASTROLOGY > ATLANTA > ATLANTA HOMES & LIFESTYLES > ATLANTIC MONTHLY > AUDIO > AUDIO / VIDEO INTERIORS > AUDUBON > AUTO RACING DIGEST > AUTOMOBILE > AUTOMOTIVE NEWS > AUTOMUNDO > AUTOTRONICS > AUTOWEEK > AVENGERS (COMIC) > AVENGERS WEST COAST (COMIC) > AVIATION HERITAGE > BACK STAGE > BACKPACKER > BACKSTRETCH > BALTIMORE > BANK NOTE REPORTER > BARBIE (COMIC) > BARBIE FASHION BOOK (COMIC) > BARBIE MAGAZINE > BARELY LEGAL > BARTER NEWS > BASEBALL CARD PRICE GUIDE > BASEBALL CARDS MAGAZINE > BASEBALL DIGEST > BASEBALL WEEKLY (USA TODAY) > BASKETBALL DIGEST > BASKETBALL WEEKLY > BASS PLAYER > BASS & WALLEYE BOATS > BASSIN' > BATMAN (COMIC) > BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD > BERKSHIRE > BEST RECIPES > BETTER HOMES & GARDENS > BEVERAGE WORLD > BEVERAGE WORLD > BIBLE REVIEW > BIBLICAL ARCHAEOLOGY REVIEW > BICYCLE GUIDE > BICYCLING > BIG BEAUTIFUL WOMAN (BBW) > BIRD TALK > BIRDER'S WORLD > BLACK AXE (COMIC) > BLACK BELT > BLACK COLLEGIAN > BLACK ELEGANCE > BLACK ENTERPRISE > BLOOD HORSE > BLUE & GOLD ILLUSTRATED > BOARDROOM REPORTS > BOATING > BOATING WORLD > BODY - MIND - SPIRIT > BON APPETIT > BOSTON MAGAZINE > BOTTOM LINE / PERSONAL > BOW & ARROW > BOW & ARROW HUNTING > BOW HUNTING WORLD > BOWHUNTER > BOWHUNTING > BOWHUNTING WORLD > BOWLING DIGEST > BOWMASTERS > BOXING ILLUSTRATED > BOY'S LIFE > BRIDAL GUIDE > BRIDES > BRITISH CAR > BRITISH HERITAGE > BROADCASTING > BUCKHUNTERS DIGEST > BUENHOGAR > BUSINESS PUBLISHING > BUSINESS START-UPS > BUSINESS WEEK > BUZZ (TALK OF LOS ANGELES) > BYTE > CABLE (COMIC) > CALIFORNIA JOURNAL > CAMCORDER > CAMERA & DARKROOM > CAMPUS LIFE > CANDY INDUSTRY > CANOE > CAPPER'S > CAPTAIN AMERICA (COMIC) > CAR AUDIO & ELECTRONICS > CAR COLLECTOR & CAR CLASSICS > CAR CRAFT > CAR & DRIVER > CAR STEREO REVIEW > CARAS DE PUERTO RICO > CARD COLLECTOR'S PRICE GUIDE > CARIBBEAN TRAVEL & LIFE > CARS & PARTS > CASH SAVER > CAT FANCY > CATALOG SHOPPING > CATHOLIC DIGEST > CATHOLIC FAMILY BIBLE > CATTLEMAN > CATWOMAN (COMIC) > CD REVIEW > CD-ROM TODAY > CD-ROM WORLD > CENTRAL FLORIDA CAREER GUIDE (W/UPDATES) CHAMPION CROSSWORD PUZZLES > CHAMPION VARIETY PUZZLES > CHAMPION VARIETY REVIEW > CHANGES > CHARISMA & CHRISTIAN LIFE > CHATELAINE (IN ENGLISH) > CHATELAINE (IN FRENCH) > CHESAPEAKE BAY > CHEVY HIGH PERFORMANCE > CHIC > CHICAGO > CHILD > CHILD LIFE > CHILDREN'S ALBUM > CHILDREN'S CLASSICS > CHILDREN'S DIGEST > CHILDREN'S PLAYMATE > CHOCOLATIER > CHRISTIAN HISTORY > CHRISTIAN PARENTING TODAY > CHRISTIAN READER > CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR > CHRISTIANITY TODAY > CIRCLE TRACK > CIRCUS > CIVIL WAR CHRONICLES > CIVIL WAR TIMES > CLASSIC AUTO RESTORER > CLEVELAND MAGAZINE > COACH > COIFFURE DE PARIS > COIN PRICES > COIN WORLD > COINAGE > COINS MAGAZINE > COLLECTOR EDITIONS > COLLECTORS MART > COLLECTORS NEWS > COLLECTORS NEWS > COLLEGE SPORTS > COLONIAL HOMES > COLORADO BUSINESS > COLORADO HOMES & LIFESTYLES > COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW > COMIC BOOK COLLECTOR > COMIC BOOK COLLECTOR'S PRICE GUIDE > COMIC SCENE > COMICS BUYERS GUIDE > COMICS SCENE > COMMON CAUSE > COMMONWEAL > COMPUTER GAME REVIEW & CD-ROM ENTERTAINMENT COMPUTER GAMING WORLD > COMPUTER LIFE > COMPUTER SHOPPER > COMPUTERWORLD > CONAN CLASSICS (COMIC) > CONAN SAGA (COMIC) > CONAN THE ADVENTURER (COMIC) > CONDE NASTE TRAVELER > *CONNECT-THE MODEM USERS RESOURCE* > CONSUMER REPORTS > CONSUMER REPORTS ON HEALTH > CONSUMER REPORTS TRAVEL LETTER > CONSUMER RESEARCH > CONSUMERS DIGEST > CONSUMERS RESEARCH > CONTEMPORARY CHRISTIAN MUSIC > COOK'S ILLUSTRATED > COOKBOOK DIGEST > COOKING LIGHT > CORVETTE FEVER > COSMOPOLITAN > COSMOPOLITAN EN ESPANOL > COUNTRY > COUNTRY ACCENTS > COUNTRY AMERICA > COUNTRY FEVER > COUNTRY GUIDE > COUNTRY HANDCRAFTS > COUNTRY HOME > COUNTRY HOME FOLK CRAFTS > COUNTRY JOURNAL > COUNTRY JOURNAL > COUNTRY LIVING > COUNTRY MUSIC > COUNTRY MUSIC CITY NEWS > COUNTRY SAMPLER > COUNTRY WOMAN > CQ RADIO AMATEURS JOURNAL > CRAFTING TODAY > CRAFTS > CRAFTS 'N THINGS > CRAFTWORKS FOR THE HOME > CRAIN'S NEW YORK BUSINESS > CRAYOLA KIDS > CREATIVE CLASSROOM > CREATIVE KIDS > CREATIVE QUILTING > CREATIVE REAL ESTATE > CREATIVE WOODWORKING & CRAFTS > CRICKET > CROCHET DIGEST > CROCHET FANTASY > CROCHET HOME > CROCHET WORLD > CROCHET WORLD SPECIALS > CROSS COUNTRY SKIER > CROSS STITCH > CROSS STITCH PLUS > CROSS STITCHER > CROSSSTITCH & COUNTRY CRAFTS > CRUISE TRAVEL > CRUISE TRAVEL > CRUISES & TOURS > CRUISING WORLD > CUSTOM & CLASSIC TRUCKS > CUSTOMER ASSURANCE REPORT > CUSTOMER SERVICE NEWSLETTER > CYCLE WORLD > DAILY NEWS RECORD > DANCE > DAREDEVIL (COMIC) > DARKHAWK (COMIC) > DAS LEBEN > DATA BASED ADVISOR > DAYTIME TV > DBMS (DATABASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS) > DEATH'S HEAD II (COMIC) > DEBATE ISSUES > DECORATING DIGEST > DECORATIVE ARTIST'S WORKBOOK > DECORATIVE ARTS PAINTING > DECORATVE WOODCRAFTS > DEER & DEER HUNTING > DEFENSE NEWS > DELAWARE TODAY > DELL CROSSWORD PUZZLES > DELL CROSSWORD SPECIAL > DELL CROSSWORDS & VARIETY PUZZLES > DELL HOROSCOPE > DELL LOGIC PUZZLES > DELL OFFICIAL CROSSWORD PUZZLES > DELL OFFICIAL PENCIL PUZZLE & WORD GAMES DELL OFFICIAL WORD SEARCH PUZZLES > DELL PENCIL PUZZLES & WORD GAMES > DELL POCKET CROSSWORD PUZZLES > DELL POCKET CROSSWORD PUZZLES > DELL WORD SEARCH PUZZLES > DES > DESKTOP VIDEO WORLD > DESSERTS > DETAILS > DETECTIVE COMICS > DETROIT MONTHLY > DIRT BIKE > DISCIPLESHIP JOURNAL > DISCOUNT STORE NEWS > DISCOVER > DISCOVER DIVING > DISNEY ADVENTURES > DISNEY'S HOW IT WORKS > DISTRIBUTION CENTER MANAGEMENT > DOG FANCY > DOG WORLD > DOLL CASTLE NEWS > DOLL DESIGNS > DOLL LIFE > DOLL WORLD > DOLLMAKING > DOLLS > DOOM 2099 (COMIC) > DOWN EAST > DOWN MEMORY LANE > DOWNBEAT > DR. DOBB'S JOURNAL > DR. STRANGE (COMIC) > DRUG & COSMETIC INDUSTRY > EARLY AMERICAN LIFE > EARLY CHILDHOOD NEWS > EARLY CHILDHOOD TODAY > EARTH > EARTH JOURNAL > EASY FAST "N FUN CROSSWORDS > EATING WELL > EBONY > EBONY MAN (EM) > ECONOMIST > ECOTRAVELER > ELECTRONIC GAMES > ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY > ELECTRONIC LEARNING > ELECTRONICS NOW > ELITE MAGAZINE > ELLE (AMERICAN) > ELLE DECOR > ELLERY QUEEN'S MYSTERY > ELLERY QUEEN'S MYSTERY > EM (EBONY MAN) > EMERGE > ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD (ENR) > ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY (EW) > ENTREE > ENTREPRENEUR > ENVIRONMENT > EQUITIES > EQUUS > ESQUIRE > ESSENCE > EUROPEAN CAR > EXCALIBUR (COMIC) > EXCEPTIONAL PARENT > EXECUTIVE FEMALE > FAITH & STUFF > FAMILY CIRCLE > FAMILY HANDYMAN > FAMILY LIFE > FANCY FOOD & CANDY > FANGORIA > FANTASTIC FOUR (COMIC) > FANTASY & SCIENCE FICTION > FAR OUT > FARM BUILDING NEWS > FARM & RANCH LIVING > FARMERS DIGEST > FASHION GUIDE > FASHION KNITTING > FATE > FEDERAL TIMES > FEMALE BODYBUILDING > FIELD & STREAM > FIGHTING KNIVES > FIGHTING STARS NINJA MAGAZINE > FILM THREAT > FINANCIAL TIMES OF LONDON (MON - SAT) > FINANCIAL WORLD > FINE GARDENING > FINE HOMEBUILDING > FINE WOODWORKING > FIREHOUSE > FISHING FACTS > FISHING & HUNTING NEWS > FISHING WORLD > FIVE LITER MUSTANG > FLARE > FLASH (COMIC) > FLEX > FLOORING > FLORIDA LIVING > FLORIDA SPORTSMAN > FLORIDA TREND > FLORIDA VACATION RENTALS > FLOWER & GARDEN > FLY FISHERMAN > FLY FISHING > FLYING > FLYING MODELS > FOOD & WINE > FOOTBALL DIGEST > FOOTBALL NEWS > FORBES > FORCE WORKS (COMIC) > FOREIGN AFFAIRS > FOREIGN POLICY > FORTUNE > FORUM (PENTHOUSE) > FOUR WHEEL / OFF ROAD > FOUR WHEELER > FRONT PAGE DETECTIVE > FUN-ZONE > FUR - FISH - GAME > FUTURIFIC > FUTURIFIC > G.I. 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Michelon UUUU UUUU 42023 ST ETIENNE Cedex 2 UUUU UUUU Tel : 33 77 42 15 79 UUUU UUUU Fax : 33 77 42 15 75 UUUUUUUUUUU RFC822: gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr UUUUUUUUU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:30:37 GMT From: cho10604@pax.eunet.ch (Hanspeter Roth) Subject: canceling an entry by name_conversion Message-ID: Hello, at our site I encountered a message looping through our MX-gateway and back through another one. At the MX-gateway the message comes from VMS-mail and leaves through SMTP-mail. The other gateway is stripping off the Received: headers. Thus the loop can not be detected by an SMTP-Host. The loop is caused by an infinite forward/alias setting. Now in the Mx_site_name_conversion module I'm able to detect this condition. However I'm not able to cause the router to cancel this entry. I tryed to set the condition-code of convert() to SS$_ABORT. But this is recognized by router only that there had been no name-conversion. Any ideas to solve this problem? -Hanspeter ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:30:40 GMT From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Gary Zeus) Subject: Installing Message-ID: <46gcf0$is@earth.njcc.com> Hi, Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run MLF. Any caviats? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:46:28 CDT From: Dave Miller Subject: Re: Installing Message-ID: <009984DE.CC33E7E1.53@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> > Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run > MLF. Any caviats? Been doing it for years. Works great! Read the docs! //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:47:49 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Subject: Re: Installing Message-ID: <009984DE.FCBD4940.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> |> Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run |>MLF. Any caviats? Works great on my VAXstation 4000, and on a couple of MicroVAX 3100's that I use. Just remember that if the install complains about the queue file not getting created, you just need to run @SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP then go into MCP and use the CREATE QUEUE command that the install tells you to use. Best Wishes... Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:43:04 EDT From: smcneilly@fred.bridgew.edu Subject: Re: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? Message-ID: <009984BC.CBEDAE80.23@fred.bridgew.edu> Dave Kelley Writes: >Subj: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? >A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX >on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software >sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: > VAX/VMS 5.5-2 > UCX 3.1 (or higher) > MX 4.1 >Thanks in advance. >Dave Kelley >University of Hartford >kelley@uhavax.hartford.edu We are using IUPOP3 and it's working fine here. You can get it via anonymous ftp from ftp.indiana.edu. Our configuration is the same as yours, i.e., VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:53:28 -0600 From: "Robert H. McClanahan" Subject: Re: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? Message-ID: > A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX > on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software > sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: > > VAX/VMS 5.5-2 > UCX 3.1 (or higher) > MX 4.1 > > Thanks in advance. > > Dave Kelley > Dave, The following is a section from the CMU/IP FAQ, but it should apply to UCX. I am fairly certain that IUPOP3 is available for UCX. I have tried IUPOP3, but have found it quite buggy (at least the CMU/IP port). GTood luck, RHM From the CMU FAQ: 4.2.2 >>>> IUPOP3 [10-OCT-1994] ----------------- Summary: A POP3 mail server Description: POP3 is a protocol that allows a PC user to download mail from a central mail server and read it on the PC using PC style interfaces. A client that understands the POP protocol must run on the PC and many public domain or shareware ones are available (Win/QVT, Eudora, PC-Eudora, POPmail, Pegasus Mail and MINUET to name but a few). IUPOP3 is a POP3 server that runs under a number of systems, including VMS, and runs over the OpenCMU TCP/IP software (also UCX and Multinet). Pre-Requisites: IUPOP3 requires a specific library for OpenCMU, INET_CMUTIL. Note the original author of this software (see below) does NOT currently support a OpenCMU version. The OpenCMU port is a one off. Author: Indiana University Thanks to Brian T. Carcich for the OpenCMU port. Availability: ftp://ftp.indiana.edu/pub/vms/iupop3/v1.7/* ftp://ftp.indiana.edu/pub/vms/iupop3/v1.7-CMU-TEK/* ftp://ftp.kcl.ac.uk/iupop3/iupop3-017.* ftp://ftp.kcl.ac.uk/cmu-tcpip/inet_cmutil.bck +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:27:38 +0100 From: webmaster@zar.unizar.es Subject: Re: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? Message-ID: <95102320273789@zar.unizar.es> >>A while back, I recall that there was some discussion of POP3 running with MX >>on VMS. I haven't been able to find any software in the usual VMS software >>sites. Any recommendations on where to find POP3 for VMS for: >> VAX/VMS 5.5-2 >> UCX 3.1 (or higher) >> MX 4.1 > >We are using IUPOP3 and it's working fine here. You can get it via anonymous >ftp from ftp.indiana.edu. Our configuration is the same as yours, i.e., >VMS 5.5-2, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1. Is there any POP-client for VMS? I know this is not the best place for asking this kind of question, but it is related to the mail (I promise not to use again the mailing-list for such kind of questions) /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | | Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | | University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | | Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:47:25 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: POP3 for VMS5.2, MX4.1, UCX3.1+? Message-ID: <009984D6.8CA5CC3E.22@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> webmaster@zar.unizar.es writes: > > Is there any POP-client for VMS? I know this is not the best place for asking > this kind of question, but it is related to the mail (I promise not to use > again the mailing-list for such kind of questions) > As far as I know, there isn't one yet, but one of my archives contributors recently told me that he was working on one. It'll be announced on my FSUPDATE list as soon as it's ready. FSUPDATE is cross-posted to comp.os.vms and vmsnet.sources.d. If you'd like to subscribe to the list, you can send the following command in the body of a mail message to : SUBSCRIBE FSUPDATE "Your real name here" Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:49:28 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Subject: Re: SMTP CLOSE_WAIT state connections... Message-ID: <009984D6.D5C93711.33@uwwvax.uww.edu> A recent poster said: => Has anyone experienced the following problem when using an off-line mail => system such as Eudora? If so, perhaps you can point me in the right => direction. => => Those people using Eudora experience long waits and timeouts when trying => to send mail. We are also are having problems with EUDORA and NUPOP, they never make a connection at prime times and we looking for help of any kind TGV MultiNet V3.4 Rev B-X ALPHA, VMS AXP V6.1 MX version id is: MX V4.1 VAX Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:28:33 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Why is this entry so old? Message-ID: <009984AA.01182B3E.1@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Dave Miller writes: > >Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. >I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my >SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. > Two things: > DNS errors=18 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server [...] > Number of DNS failure retries: 48 For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my DNS server was not reachable for a few days. Unfortunately, I did *not* add code to time the message out after some period of time, and some DNS servers are never reachable (such as the one for the message above). Those stick around for quite a while, unfortunately. Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way around that problem too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:35:24 CDT From: Dave Miller Subject: Re: Why is this entry so old? Message-ID: <009984CC.7D4E62C1.32@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Hunter: > For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). Ok, good. That's easy to fix. > > For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and > *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the > DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my > DNS server was not reachable for a few days. I suspected as much .. the counter never moved > Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way > around that problem too. Thanks! dave. ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #162 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:05:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:47:08 GMT Message-ID: <46h9hs$21r@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <46c23v$dat@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: [...] #Well, presumably when you upgraded to VMS v6.2, you also upgraded or #reinstalled your TCP/IP package. Check to see whether that package retrieves #MX entries properly. If you're using Multinet as your TCP/IP package, try the #command: # $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP AOL.COM NSLOOKUP does an A record query if the first character being looked up is alpha, and does a PTR record query if the first character being looked up is numeric (and it also 'reverses' the number and sticks on .in-addr.arpa for you). To test MX record lookups, MX records must be explicitly requested: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP/TYPE=MX AOL.COM -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:11:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 03:05:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:44:05 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:43:54 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:42:22 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:28:33 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984AA.01182B3E.1@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Dave Miller writes: > >Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. >I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my >SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. > Two things: > DNS errors=18 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server [...] > Number of DNS failure retries: 48 For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my DNS server was not reachable for a few days. Unfortunately, I did *not* add code to time the message out after some period of time, and some DNS servers are never reachable (such as the one for the message above). Those stick around for quite a while, unfortunately. Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way around that problem too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:39:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 22:36 EDT From: alanm@omnitrans.com Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). To: MX-List@MadGoat.com, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr Please do NOT shend us this stuff! Thanks! <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:29:18 +0100 From: Herve Gilibert -CRITeR- Universite de St Etienne Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). To: <> <---- End Included Message ----> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:13:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:12:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:09:44 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 21:09:34 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:55:33 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:35:24 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984CC.7D4E62C1.32@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Hunter: > For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). Ok, good. That's easy to fix. > > For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and > *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the > DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my > DNS server was not reachable for a few days. I suspected as much .. the counter never moved > Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way > around that problem too. Thanks! dave. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 02:43:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:42:24 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 02:16:20 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:16:09 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:06:17 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:47:49 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mfrazier@us.oracle.com Message-ID: <009984DE.FCBD4940.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: Installing |> Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run |>MLF. Any caviats? Works great on my VAXstation 4000, and on a couple of MicroVAX 3100's that I use. Just remember that if the install complains about the queue file not getting created, you just need to run @SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP then go into MCP and use the CREATE QUEUE command that the install tells you to use. Best Wishes... Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:55:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: problems Date: 24 Oct 1995 08:00:03 GMT Message-ID: <46i6e3$pbg@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <95102114164348@zar.unizar.es>, webmaster@zar.unizar.es writes: = The first is the next: after defining logicals, after configuration, = when I do "@sys$startup:mx_startup" these error messages appear: =---------- =%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C028C2 =%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C02D56 =%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C023AC =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =---------- You need to increase the SYSGEN parameter MAXPROCESSCNT. Edit SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT to specify a minimum value that's more than its current value, then use AUTOGEN. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:31:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:30:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:27:51 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:27:39 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:43:42 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 03:05:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:44:05 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:43:54 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:42:22 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:28:33 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984AA.01182B3E.1@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Dave Miller writes: > >Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. >I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my >SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. > Two things: > DNS errors=18 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server [...] > Number of DNS failure retries: 48 For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my DNS server was not reachable for a few days. Unfortunately, I did *not* add code to time the message out after some period of time, and some DNS servers are never reachable (such as the one for the message above). Those stick around for quite a while, unfortunately. Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way around that problem too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 07:37:59 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:27:08 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:13:34 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 05:13:22 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:48:24 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") X-Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:47:08 GMT Organization: TGV, Santa Cruz, California Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <46h9hs$21r@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: cone-of-silence.tgv.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET In article <46c23v$dat@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: [...] #Well, presumably when you upgraded to VMS v6.2, you also upgraded or #reinstalled your TCP/IP package. Check to see whether that package retrieves #MX entries properly. If you're using Multinet as your TCP/IP package, try the #command: # $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP AOL.COM NSLOOKUP does an A record query if the first character being looked up is alpha, and does a PTR record query if the first character being looked up is numeric (and it also 'reverses' the number and sticks on .in-addr.arpa for you). To test MX record lookups, MX records must be explicitly requested: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP/TYPE=MX AOL.COM -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:14:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:10:19 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:56:43 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 05:56:31 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 05:55:48 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 22:36 EDT From: alanm@omnitrans.com Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). To: MX-List@MadGoat.com, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr, gilibert@univ-st-etienne.fr X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Please do NOT shend us this stuff! Thanks! <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:29:18 +0100 From: Herve Gilibert -CRITeR- Universite de St Etienne Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). To: <> <---- End Included Message ----> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:08:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:07:00 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009985BB.98BCD036.792@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #163 MX-List Digest Tue, 24 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 163 Today's Topics: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions problems Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) SMTP delivery error (5 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 22:36 EDT From: alanm@omnitrans.com Subject: Re: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions Message-ID: Please do NOT shend us this stuff! Thanks! <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:29:18 +0100 From: Herve Gilibert -CRITeR- Universite de St Etienne Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: RE: *** ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). To: <> <---- End Included Message ----> ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 1995 08:00:03 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: problems Message-ID: <46i6e3$pbg@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <95102114164348@zar.unizar.es>, webmaster@zar.unizar.es writes: = The first is the next: after defining logicals, after configuration, = when I do "@sys$startup:mx_startup" these error messages appear: =---------- =%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C028C2 =%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C02D56 =%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 20C023AC =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =%RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed =-SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available =---------- You need to increase the SYSGEN parameter MAXPROCESSCNT. Edit SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT to specify a minimum value that's more than its current value, then use AUTOGEN. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:47:08 GMT From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Message-ID: <46h9hs$21r@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <46c23v$dat@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: [...] #Well, presumably when you upgraded to VMS v6.2, you also upgraded or #reinstalled your TCP/IP package. Check to see whether that package retrieves #MX entries properly. If you're using Multinet as your TCP/IP package, try the #command: # $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP AOL.COM NSLOOKUP does an A record query if the first character being looked up is alpha, and does a PTR record query if the first character being looked up is numeric (and it also 'reverses' the number and sticks on .in-addr.arpa for you). To test MX record lookups, MX records must be explicitly requested: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP/TYPE=MX AOL.COM -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 03:05:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Subject: SMTP delivery error Message-ID: Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ----------------------------- Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:44:05 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:43:54 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:42:22 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:28:33 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984AA.01182B3E.1@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Dave Miller writes: > >Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. >I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my >SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. > Two things: > DNS errors=18 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server [...] > Number of DNS failure retries: 48 For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my DNS server was not reachable for a few days. Unfortunately, I did *not* add code to time the message out after some period of time, and some DNS servers are never reachable (such as the one for the message above). Those stick around for quite a while, unfortunately. Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way around that problem too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:12:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Subject: SMTP delivery error Message-ID: Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ----------------------------- Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:09:44 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 21:09:34 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:55:33 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:35:24 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984CC.7D4E62C1.32@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Hunter: > For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). Ok, good. That's easy to fix. > > For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and > *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the > DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my > DNS server was not reachable for a few days. I suspected as much .. the counter never moved > Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way > around that problem too. Thanks! dave. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:42:24 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Subject: SMTP delivery error Message-ID: Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ----------------------------- Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 02:16:20 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:16:09 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:06:17 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:47:49 EDT From: Mike Frazier - Oracle Rdb Worldwide Support Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mfrazier@us.oracle.com Message-ID: <009984DE.FCBD4940.1@borgil.us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: Installing |> Need a Listserv so I'm gonna install MX on a VAXStaion and try tn run |>MLF. Any caviats? Works great on my VAXstation 4000, and on a couple of MicroVAX 3100's that I use. Just remember that if the install complains about the queue file not getting created, you just need to run @SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP then go into MCP and use the CREATE QUEUE command that the install tells you to use. Best Wishes... Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ / Mike Frazier | \ | Oracle World Wide Support | New .sig under construction... | | Rdb Support Team | | | Colorado Springs, Colorado| | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Email Address: mfrazier@us.oracle.com | \ WWW: http://www.hal.com/services/juggle/home/m_frazier@borgil.cxo.dec.com/ / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:30:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Subject: SMTP delivery error Message-ID: Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ----------------------------- Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:27:51 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:27:39 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:43:42 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 03:05:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ----------------------------- Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:44:05 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:43:54 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:42:22 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:28:33 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984AA.01182B3E.1@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Dave Miller writes: > >Someone please explain why the following entry has been in the queue 12 days. >I mean, I'd expect it to be bounced long before that. I've also included my >SMTP settings. This is MX 4.1 VAX. > Two things: > DNS errors=18 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server [...] > Number of DNS failure retries: 48 For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my DNS server was not reachable for a few days. Unfortunately, I did *not* add code to time the message out after some period of time, and some DNS servers are never reachable (such as the one for the message above). Those stick around for quite a while, unfortunately. Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way around that problem too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:27:08 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Subject: SMTP delivery error Message-ID: Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ----------------------------- Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:13:34 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 05:13:22 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:48:24 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") X-Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx Subject: Re: Q: mx not sending mail to some host (MX header lookup failures) Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:47:08 GMT Organization: TGV, Santa Cruz, California Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <46h9hs$21r@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: cone-of-silence.tgv.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET In article <46c23v$dat@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: [...] #Well, presumably when you upgraded to VMS v6.2, you also upgraded or #reinstalled your TCP/IP package. Check to see whether that package retrieves #MX entries properly. If you're using Multinet as your TCP/IP package, try the #command: # $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP AOL.COM NSLOOKUP does an A record query if the first character being looked up is alpha, and does a PTR record query if the first character being looked up is numeric (and it also 'reverses' the number and sticks on .in-addr.arpa for you). To test MX record lookups, MX records must be explicitly requested: $ MULTINET NSLOOKUP/TYPE=MX AOL.COM -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #163 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:49:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 03:48:11 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:42:05 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:41:53 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:41:26 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:12:32 EDT From: SMTP delivery agent Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: SMTP delivery error X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" Note: this message was generated automatically. An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes. --> Error description: Error-For: najman@MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: %MX-F-NOHOST, no such host -Retry count exceeded -(Via MAIL.HADASSAH.HUJI.AC.IL) Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL by TURKEY.HADASSAH.ORG.IL (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:09:44 EDT Received: by HUJIVMS (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 21:09:34 +0200 Received: by HUJIVMS via SMTP(161.6.5.1) (HUyMail-V7b); Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:55:33 +0200 X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:35:24 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009984CC.7D4E62C1.32@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Why is this entry so old? Hunter: > For one, the number of DNS failure retries is 48 (the default is 12). Ok, good. That's easy to fix. > > For two, V4.1 distinguishes between a bad response from a server and > *no* response from a server. No response at all doesn't count in the > DNS errors count, which I added because I once had a problem where my > DNS server was not reachable for a few days. I suspected as much .. the counter never moved > Hopefully, whenever I can find more time for V4.2, I'll add some way > around that problem too. Thanks! dave. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 23:49:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Richard D. Piccard" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Return address problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:54:36 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU We have observed an unfortunate interaction between MX, Message Router, and ALL-IN-1, with respect to return addresses on messages. Environment: two-node NI cluster: cluster alias OUVAX OUVAXA is (now) an Alpha 2100 5/250 LANCE is a VAXstation 4000 VLC. SYSUAF.DAT, etc., are joint, by logical names. Alpha s/w: VMS 6.2, ALL-IN-1 3.1, MX V4.1 AXP, UCX Version V3.3 - ECO Level 2 VAX s/w: VMS 6.1, Message Router V3.3-313, MX V4.1 VAX, UCX Version 3.1 - ECO Level 8 The scenario that produces unfortunate return addresses occurs with ALL-IN-1 user1 setting autoforward with an address of the form mx%"user1a@oak.cats.ohiou.edu"@mrgate@ouvax This particular form of the forwarding address is required so that the return address is preserved. For example, the alternative of _mx%"user1a@oak.cats.ohiou.edu" results in a message that appears to have come from ALLIN1@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu and which is therefore not answerable. When ALL-IN-1 user2 sends a message in ALL-IN-1 to user1, the message does in fact reach the intended addressee, but with a return address in the form "ouvax::mrgate::\"A1::USER2\""@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu When the destination system is an Alpha running Digital Unix 3.2, replying to the message results in it going to an address that prints as "ouvax::mrgate::"A1::USER2""@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu but which we believe has the eighth bit set ON in the quotes that were previously escaped with the \. That reply is not delivered, but is bounced, as follows: <<< 501 <"ouvax::mrgate::\"A1::USER2\""@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>... Remote protocol error Seeing the \ again seems to confirm that the bit-8 escape was recognized. The same results are observed if the node name LANCE is used, instead of the cluster alias, OUVAX, in the ALL-IN-1 autoforward address. Any insight, but especially any solution, to this problem would be appreciated! ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:56:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:54:32 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00998661.7E1FF699.125@uwwvax.uww.edu> Subject: eudora and mx It would appear that EUDORA fails to connect to MX because there are no open smtp server slots availabe. Increasing mx_smtp_server_threads seems to improve EUDORA's ability to send/receive mail without timing out. However the manual says that making this change will require larger quotas/limits for the process. Any one know which ones that need to be changed or/and which ones? Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:55:24 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:54:00 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998669.CD0A2BC1.32@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: What if I add secondary DNS? MX Folk .. My primary DNS is down, so I added a secondary DNS to the UCX database using. UCX> SET NAME node /SYSTEM and then checked to make sure it works with UCX> SHOW HOST Now, my question. It seems that MX is still getting DNS errors .. nothing apprears to be getting shipped out. Will MCP> RESET/CLUS solve my problem? Is there something more I have to do to get UCX and MX to communicate? TIA //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:59:03 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:58:31 CDT From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099866A.6E416941.80@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Wow - how dumb can I be! Yikes! Re: Adding a DNS to UCX. How dumb can I be! If MX isn't working, the message will never be sent. If it is, there's no problem! Sorry about wasting the bandwidth! //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:21:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:20:05 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM Message-ID: <0099867E.35809B0B.37@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Hi. I've installed OpenVMS G7.0-EFT2 on an Alpha and thought I'd pass the following MX-related items on to you: o MAIL now has a SET SIGNATURE_FILE command so that sigs can be automatically included in messages sent. This is, of course, complete separate from MX's sig file support. o MAIL commands now support the /PAGE qualifier like many DCL commands in V6.2, so you can now do things like DIR/PAGE and scroll backe and forth through the list. o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:21:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:17:33 +0100 From: Mark E Williamson Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM Message-ID: <009986A7.C36C69A3.266@basil.acs.bolton.ac.uk> Subject: MX_NAME_CONVERSION Date sent: 25-OCT-1995 21:14:46 Does anyone know if there is a version of MX_NAME_CONVERSION that will compile and run on Alpha ? I have tried to compile the version that comes with the MX 4.1 kit using the Macro 32 compiler on alpha but it complains. Has it been ported to Alpha ? Thanks +-----------------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Mark Williamson , Network Manager | Mail: Bolton Institute of HE | | | Deane Campus | | E-mail : M.E.Williamson@Bolton.ac.uk | Deane Road | | Phone : +44 1204 528851 | Bolton UK | | Fax : +44 1204 399074 | BL3 5AB | +-----------------------------------------------+------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:07:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:06:09 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998684.A51EE200.253@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #164 MX-List Digest Wed, 25 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 164 Today's Topics: eudora and mx MX_NAME_CONVERSION MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Return address problems What if I add secondary DNS? Wow - how dumb can I be! Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:54:32 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Subject: eudora and mx Message-ID: <00998661.7E1FF699.125@uwwvax.uww.edu> It would appear that EUDORA fails to connect to MX because there are no open smtp server slots availabe. Increasing mx_smtp_server_threads seems to improve EUDORA's ability to send/receive mail without timing out. However the manual says that making this change will require larger quotas/limits for the process. Any one know which ones that need to be changed or/and which ones? Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:17:33 +0100 From: Mark E Williamson Subject: MX_NAME_CONVERSION Message-ID: <009986A7.C36C69A3.266@basil.acs.bolton.ac.uk> Date sent: 25-OCT-1995 21:14:46 Does anyone know if there is a version of MX_NAME_CONVERSION that will compile and run on Alpha ? I have tried to compile the version that comes with the MX 4.1 kit using the Macro 32 compiler on alpha but it complains. Has it been ported to Alpha ? Thanks +-----------------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Mark Williamson , Network Manager | Mail: Bolton Institute of HE | | | Deane Campus | | E-mail : M.E.Williamson@Bolton.ac.uk | Deane Road | | Phone : +44 1204 528851 | Bolton UK | | Fax : +44 1204 399074 | BL3 5AB | +-----------------------------------------------+------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:20:05 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Message-ID: <0099867E.35809B0B.37@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Hi. I've installed OpenVMS G7.0-EFT2 on an Alpha and thought I'd pass the following MX-related items on to you: o MAIL now has a SET SIGNATURE_FILE command so that sigs can be automatically included in messages sent. This is, of course, complete separate from MX's sig file support. o MAIL commands now support the /PAGE qualifier like many DCL commands in V6.2, so you can now do things like DIR/PAGE and scroll backe and forth through the list. o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:54:36 GMT From: "Richard D. Piccard" Subject: Return address problems Message-ID: We have observed an unfortunate interaction between MX, Message Router, and ALL-IN-1, with respect to return addresses on messages. Environment: two-node NI cluster: cluster alias OUVAX OUVAXA is (now) an Alpha 2100 5/250 LANCE is a VAXstation 4000 VLC. SYSUAF.DAT, etc., are joint, by logical names. Alpha s/w: VMS 6.2, ALL-IN-1 3.1, MX V4.1 AXP, UCX Version V3.3 - ECO Level 2 VAX s/w: VMS 6.1, Message Router V3.3-313, MX V4.1 VAX, UCX Version 3.1 - ECO Level 8 The scenario that produces unfortunate return addresses occurs with ALL-IN-1 user1 setting autoforward with an address of the form mx%"user1a@oak.cats.ohiou.edu"@mrgate@ouvax This particular form of the forwarding address is required so that the return address is preserved. For example, the alternative of _mx%"user1a@oak.cats.ohiou.edu" results in a message that appears to have come from ALLIN1@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu and which is therefore not answerable. When ALL-IN-1 user2 sends a message in ALL-IN-1 to user1, the message does in fact reach the intended addressee, but with a return address in the form "ouvax::mrgate::\"A1::USER2\""@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu When the destination system is an Alpha running Digital Unix 3.2, replying to the message results in it going to an address that prints as "ouvax::mrgate::"A1::USER2""@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu but which we believe has the eighth bit set ON in the quotes that were previously escaped with the \. That reply is not delivered, but is bounced, as follows: <<< 501 <"ouvax::mrgate::\"A1::USER2\""@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>... Remote protocol error Seeing the \ again seems to confirm that the bit-8 escape was recognized. The same results are observed if the node name LANCE is used, instead of the cluster alias, OUVAX, in the ALL-IN-1 autoforward address. Any insight, but especially any solution, to this problem would be appreciated! ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:54:00 CDT From: Dave Miller Subject: What if I add secondary DNS? Message-ID: <00998669.CD0A2BC1.32@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> MX Folk .. My primary DNS is down, so I added a secondary DNS to the UCX database using. UCX> SET NAME node /SYSTEM and then checked to make sure it works with UCX> SHOW HOST Now, my question. It seems that MX is still getting DNS errors .. nothing apprears to be getting shipped out. Will MCP> RESET/CLUS solve my problem? Is there something more I have to do to get UCX and MX to communicate? TIA //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:58:31 CDT From: Dave Miller Subject: Wow - how dumb can I be! Message-ID: <0099866A.6E416941.80@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Yikes! Re: Adding a DNS to UCX. How dumb can I be! If MX isn't working, the message will never be sent. If it is, there's no problem! Sorry about wasting the bandwidth! //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #164 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:33:43 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: eudora and mx Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:09:42 GMT Message-ID: <46mcj6$j8n@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00998661.7E1FF699.125@uwwvax.uww.edu>, hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu writes: #It would appear that EUDORA fails to connect to MX because there are #no open smtp server slots availabe. Increasing #mx_smtp_server_threads seems to improve EUDORA's ability to send/receive #mail without timing out. However the manual says that making this #change will require larger quotas/limits for the process. Any one #know which ones that need to be changed or/and which ones? I asked this a few years ago, and didn't get much for recommendations. I'd just go ahead and allow more connections and if the process dies, increase the parameters then. More ASTLM and BYTLM is all I could recommend. (Eudora only uses SMTP to send mail; it uses POP3 to read a user's mail. If the problem is inability to check for new mail, the problem is insufficient slots for incoming POP3 server connections, which you may need to increase using your TCP/IP vendor's utility to do that (MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER if you're using MultiNet).) -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:03:13 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:03:19 CST From: Ron Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099868C.A17AC52B.5@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: RE: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 => o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be => relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to => reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. => =>Hunter =>------ Should we have done this when we upgraded to V6.2 from V6.1? Would this have any effect on that memory leak that kills the local agents? Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:37:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Richard D. Piccard" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Return address problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:56:45 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU We are now getting reports that replies are failing on messages that have gone to addresses at AOL. If anyone else has encountered this situation, please reply, either by posting or E-mail or both. This is probably a Message Router problem, but DIGITAL appears to need to be hit upside the head with a virtual 2 x 4 to get them to support their software. Declaring Message Router obscolescent so long before the replacement capability shipped for Alpha VMS was not a very bright move. ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:37:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:22:01 CST From: villyard@VENUS.TWU.EDU Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Message-ID: <009986A8.63079780.551@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Subject: MLF archives Hello. I'm having a problem with my archives for one of my MLF lists. It appears that for some reason the monthly archives are breaking up into several chronological files with the same filename which then get purged, leaving only the end of the month's postings in the archive. It doesn't appear to have to do with file size, since one of the intact files is over four times as large as some of this month's fragments. If there is a relationship between restarts and archive fragments, there is up to an 18 hour timelag before or after restarts. I don't get it--help! :) Katherine Villyard villyard@VENUS.TWU.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:22:06 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Damian Watts Subject: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:40:52 GMT Message-ID: <708875817wnr@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU HELP I need to receive CCMail binary attachments using VMS Mail and visa versa. Can you help? Is there a different newsgroup that I should be posting to? Thanks for any help given. Damian Watts DPD (Europe) Ltd Tel No: 01628 478808 Fax No: 01628 478828 EMail: watts@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:09:17 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:04:24 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099874D.906CA080.1343@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #165 MX-List Digest Thu, 26 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 165 Today's Topics: eudora and mx MLF archives MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Return address problems Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:09:42 GMT From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: eudora and mx Message-ID: <46mcj6$j8n@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <00998661.7E1FF699.125@uwwvax.uww.edu>, hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu writes: #It would appear that EUDORA fails to connect to MX because there are #no open smtp server slots availabe. Increasing #mx_smtp_server_threads seems to improve EUDORA's ability to send/receive #mail without timing out. However the manual says that making this #change will require larger quotas/limits for the process. Any one #know which ones that need to be changed or/and which ones? I asked this a few years ago, and didn't get much for recommendations. I'd just go ahead and allow more connections and if the process dies, increase the parameters then. More ASTLM and BYTLM is all I could recommend. (Eudora only uses SMTP to send mail; it uses POP3 to read a user's mail. If the problem is inability to check for new mail, the problem is insufficient slots for incoming POP3 server connections, which you may need to increase using your TCP/IP vendor's utility to do that (MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER if you're using MultiNet).) -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:22:01 CST From: villyard@VENUS.TWU.EDU Subject: MLF archives Message-ID: <009986A8.63079780.551@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Hello. I'm having a problem with my archives for one of my MLF lists. It appears that for some reason the monthly archives are breaking up into several chronological files with the same filename which then get purged, leaving only the end of the month's postings in the archive. It doesn't appear to have to do with file size, since one of the intact files is over four times as large as some of this month's fragments. If there is a relationship between restarts and archive fragments, there is up to an 18 hour timelag before or after restarts. I don't get it--help! :) Katherine Villyard villyard@VENUS.TWU.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:03:19 CST From: Ron Subject: Re: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Message-ID: <0099868C.A17AC52B.5@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> => o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be => relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to => reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. => =>Hunter =>------ Should we have done this when we upgraded to V6.2 from V6.1? Would this have any effect on that memory leak that kills the local agents? Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:56:45 GMT From: "Richard D. Piccard" Subject: Re: Return address problems Message-ID: We are now getting reports that replies are failing on messages that have gone to addresses at AOL. If anyone else has encountered this situation, please reply, either by posting or E-mail or both. This is probably a Message Router problem, but DIGITAL appears to need to be hit upside the head with a virtual 2 x 4 to get them to support their software. Declaring Message Router obscolescent so long before the replacement capability shipped for Alpha VMS was not a very bright move. ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #165 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 05:26:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:23:26 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <009987DE.B7402402.454@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: MX LOCAL dying Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong - here's a traceback taken from the MX_LOCAL_nodename.LOG file in MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] today: %LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC ERROR OPEN_ERROR_FILE 445 00000089 0000568A ERROR DELIVERY_ERROR 239 0000002F 00005314 DELIVER MAIL_TO_RECIPIENTS 1103 00000306 00006CAF DELIVER DELIVER 709 000009A0 000066F6 PROCESS PROCESS 320 000004BE 00003BEF MX_LOCAL MX_LOCAL 31 000003C6 00002BCA Unfortunately, LOCAL debugging was not turned on so I can't actually see the queue entry that provoked it. I shall turn this on before restarting so if it happens again, I'll be more prepared. If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual memory, I'ld love to hear it. This is MX 4.1 on VMS 5.5-2H4 (a VAX 4100A) over multinet 3.4B with NETLIB 2.0I Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:15:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: neill@macro.demon.co.uk (Neill Clift) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Date: 27 Oct 95 09:25:33 GMT Message-ID: <1995Oct27.092533.487@macro.demon.co.uk> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0099867E.35809B0B.37@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: > > o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be > relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to > reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. > So being a very bad person I didn't reinstall MX and it seems to work fine so far. What doesn't work? I assumed that it would tell me the image needed relinking after the upgrade when I tried to use it but it didn't. Neill. -- Neill Clift neill@macro.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:04:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:02:48 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009987CB.1203C2BD.21@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 neill@macro.demon.co.uk (Neill Clift) writes: > >In article <0099867E.35809B0B.37@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: >> >> o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be >> relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to >> reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. >> >So being a very bad person I didn't reinstall MX and it seems to work fine so >far. What doesn't work? I assumed that it would tell me the image needed >relinking after the upgrade when I tried to use it but it didn't. Matt told me that it needed relinking on Alpha; perhaps the VAX version doesn't. I personally haven't installed it on a V7.0 system. (Matt had it running first and told me that you get the "system version mismatch" error on OpenVMS Alpha G7.0-EFT2. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:46:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:54:32 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: watts@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <009987D2.4BE34D80.25@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Damian Watts (watts@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk) writes: >I need to receive CCMail binary attachments using VMS Mail and visa >versa. Can you help? Is there a different newsgroup that I should be >posting to? comp.mail.misc might be of some help, but only "might". We use cc:Mail and VMS Mail together extensively. Frankly, there are not a lot of binary files that would "mean something" to both a VMS user and a PC (or Mac) user. For example, many PC people attempt to send Word documents to people. There's nothing on VMS, in general, that can read Word documents, so what's the point? PC .EXEs certainly don't mean anything to VMS users; neither do Excel spreadsheets or Powerpoint presentations. That said, we _do_ send binary files betwwen the cc:Mail systems and VMS using cc:Mail's SMTPlink, which automatically UUencodes binary attachments. We have UUdecode on the VMS systems, so we can convert them back to binary for those very few cases where binary files carry meaning. I've even read Word documents on the VMS systems, because they _do_ contain some ASCII text, which, if I use an editor like TPU which accepts longer records, is readable. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:52:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:12:01 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009987D4.BD3C6A00.10@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: MX LOCAL dying Andy Harper (udaa055@kcl.ac.uk) writes: >Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong >If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >memory, I'ld love to hear it. What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:37:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: lee@hshuna.hsh.com (Lee Havemann) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: MX rewrite <> POP server? Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:08:14 GMT Message-ID: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Probably a dumb question, bet here it is anyway... Our Mail exchange is a Vax with MX 4.1 (UCX 2.0E, VMS 5.5-2). Having just installed Win95 (they made me do it :-() on some PC's, I now have need of a POP server so these PC's can send/receive internet email through MicroSoft Exchange. Fine. I installed the POP server (qpop) on our unix box and we can send email, but since our exchange server is the vax, it doesn't know what to do with a piece of mail addressed to a PC. I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I still don't know enough about it to make it work. So what I want to do is take any mail addressed to user@hshpc*.hsh.com and ship it over to the unix server. Any suggestions would be quite welcome. Thanks, -- ----- Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir. HSH Associates (201) 838-3330 Internet: lee@hsh.com Compuserve: 70410,3507 AOL: HSH Assoc MSN: HSH_Associates http://www.hsh.com ---- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:07:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:06:33 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: lee@hshuna.hsh.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0099880E.A60697E0.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: MX rewrite <> POP server? > Our Mail exchange is a Vax with MX 4.1 (UCX 2.0E, VMS 5.5-2). > Having just installed Win95 (they made me do it :-() on some PC's, I now > have need of a POP server so these PC's can send/receive internet email > through MicroSoft Exchange. Fine. I installed the POP server (qpop) on > our unix box and we can send email, but since our exchange server is the > vax, it doesn't know what to do with a piece of mail addressed to a PC. POP (POP2 or POP3) is a mechanism for retreiving mail from a host that normally receives it. It is *not* normally a mechanism used for giving a PC an EMail address. Put another way, PCs running a POP client can read mail sent to accounts on your VAX if the VAX has POP server software running. Sending mail from PCs is usually easy. In general, they use SMTP, just like other Internet mail hosts, but they don't have a queueing/retry mechanism. So, they send all mail to a single host that does. If your VAX runs MX, it would be well suited to this purpose, as an "SMTP Server." > I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one) I do not know what is available for UCX. For CMU/TEK TCP/IP, I use the POP server from Indiana University. > I can maybe use the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a > PC over to the unix POP server. Is this possible? Yes, but why would you want to? Let's suppose that, despite advice to the contrary, you decide to give each PC an individual host name to be used for EMail. Then, if you really want all this mail to go to a host with a POP server, you would have to define MX records in the domain name system (not to be confused with the program named MX) that all point to that server. If you want the mail to go to the Unix box, you would set up the MX records pointing to the Unix box, not to the VAX running MX. The better solution is to tell people to use the mail address: user@pop-server-name > So what I want to do is take any mail addressed to user@hshpc*.hsh.com and > ship it over to the unix server. Unfortunately, you cannot set up MX records in the DNS with wildcards in them. You would have to set up an MX record for each host hshpc*.hsh.com. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:03:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:04:22 EDT From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998816.B9FF3A60.14@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: MX rewrite <> POP server? Lee Havemann writes: >I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use >the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix >POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I >still don't know enough about it to make it work. >----- > Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir. HSH Associates (201) 838-3330 > Internet: lee@hsh.com Compuserve: 70410,3507 AOL: HSH Assoc > MSN: HSH_Associates http://www.hsh.com ---- You can use IUPOP3 as a server on VMS. It is available via ftp at ftp.indiana.edu. There are other POP servers available for VMS, but I don't know how to get them. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:35:54 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:36:06 CST From: Ron Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998812.C6B78DBF.7@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: Curious... Some of these are old, some created today. Curious about the status of these messages, and can the older ones be deleted? If they are building up over time, did these messages get sent? clueless as usual, 8^S Directory MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] LCL_0054C434_009970A8_2A602D8D.TMP;1 LCL_009985E8_88C44B7D_21400861.TMP;1 LCL_0983A825_0099655B_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_0AC4D70D_0099657A_292005FA.TMP;1 LCL_0BF664A0_009964FA_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_0E43A9B2_009975C5_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_1639FC24_0099708F_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_245A3B19_00997569_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_2482E2CC_00997536_2A0125F3.TMP;1 LCL_260B9009_00996B2B_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_2AE62D84_0099657A_292005FD.TMP;1 LCL_2CFF7B8C_00998778_23C0302D.TMP;1 LCL_2D2EDD82_00998778_23C0302E.TMP;1 LCL_2D980F8C_00998778_23C03030.TMP;1 LCL_2DE13883_00998778_23C02C2F.TMP;1 LCL_3043FF9E_00997F25_2C003DAF.TMP;1 LCL_38C6DC3F_00997017_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_3AB7A2C7_00996FEA_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_3C6B2E8C_00997075_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_3CD97CF8_00998776_23C0049A.TMP;1 LCL_4363E414_00998776_2460046A.TMP;1 LCL_477E345D_00996B44_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_4D2B9B8B_00996F34_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_4D8D3101_009987FE_24600970.TMP;1 LCL_4F2BE7E7_00998802_23C00893.TMP;1 LCL_4FA662D4_00997019_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_56436E05_009987FE_23C00892.TMP;1 LCL_5B29ACEA_009987F9_24600971.TMP;1 LCL_6065AD36_00996F34_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_6AD60FD0_00997B9C_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_7A5A04E0_00996B2D_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_7DBE431A_0099756B_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_939A94D2_00998776_23C02EAF.TMP;1 LCL_949BA2AA_00997569_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_98AA2271_009987F8_24600973.TMP;1 LCL_9B108407_00996501_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_9D226AC0_009987FD_23C00897.TMP;1 LCL_A61072C5_0099707A_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_A967AAB0_00997BBA_2C002495.TMP;1 LCL_AACD6843_0099655A_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_B62528C3_00996A48_28212992.TMP;1 LCL_B969F5BC_00998777_24600469.TMP;1 LCL_B9B986EA_00998777_24600468.TMP;1 LCL_C12260B9_00997070_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_C76AC33A_0099761A_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_C8B84B09_00997002_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_D5677CB9_00998775_24600467.TMP;1 LCL_DD6A4C97_00997006_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_EF699612_009970A8_2A602D8C.TMP;1 LCL_F40BB4D3_00998774_23C0049C.TMP;1 LCL_F5F1E7C6_009987FC_24600972.TMP;1 Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:06:07 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:05:25 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998816.DF925E60.493@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #166 MX-List Digest Fri, 27 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 166 Today's Topics: Curious... HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail (2 msgs) MX and OpenVMS V7.0 (2 msgs) MX LOCAL dying (2 msgs) MX rewrite <> POP server? (3 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:36:06 CST From: Ron Subject: Curious... Message-ID: <00998812.C6B78DBF.7@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Some of these are old, some created today. Curious about the status of these messages, and can the older ones be deleted? If they are building up over time, did these messages get sent? clueless as usual, 8^S Directory MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] LCL_0054C434_009970A8_2A602D8D.TMP;1 LCL_009985E8_88C44B7D_21400861.TMP;1 LCL_0983A825_0099655B_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_0AC4D70D_0099657A_292005FA.TMP;1 LCL_0BF664A0_009964FA_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_0E43A9B2_009975C5_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_1639FC24_0099708F_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_245A3B19_00997569_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_2482E2CC_00997536_2A0125F3.TMP;1 LCL_260B9009_00996B2B_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_2AE62D84_0099657A_292005FD.TMP;1 LCL_2CFF7B8C_00998778_23C0302D.TMP;1 LCL_2D2EDD82_00998778_23C0302E.TMP;1 LCL_2D980F8C_00998778_23C03030.TMP;1 LCL_2DE13883_00998778_23C02C2F.TMP;1 LCL_3043FF9E_00997F25_2C003DAF.TMP;1 LCL_38C6DC3F_00997017_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_3AB7A2C7_00996FEA_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_3C6B2E8C_00997075_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_3CD97CF8_00998776_23C0049A.TMP;1 LCL_4363E414_00998776_2460046A.TMP;1 LCL_477E345D_00996B44_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_4D2B9B8B_00996F34_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_4D8D3101_009987FE_24600970.TMP;1 LCL_4F2BE7E7_00998802_23C00893.TMP;1 LCL_4FA662D4_00997019_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_56436E05_009987FE_23C00892.TMP;1 LCL_5B29ACEA_009987F9_24600971.TMP;1 LCL_6065AD36_00996F34_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_6AD60FD0_00997B9C_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_7A5A04E0_00996B2D_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_7DBE431A_0099756B_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_939A94D2_00998776_23C02EAF.TMP;1 LCL_949BA2AA_00997569_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_98AA2271_009987F8_24600973.TMP;1 LCL_9B108407_00996501_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_9D226AC0_009987FD_23C00897.TMP;1 LCL_A61072C5_0099707A_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_A967AAB0_00997BBA_2C002495.TMP;1 LCL_AACD6843_0099655A_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_B62528C3_00996A48_28212992.TMP;1 LCL_B969F5BC_00998777_24600469.TMP;1 LCL_B9B986EA_00998777_24600468.TMP;1 LCL_C12260B9_00997070_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_C76AC33A_0099761A_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_C8B84B09_00997002_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_D5677CB9_00998775_24600467.TMP;1 LCL_DD6A4C97_00997006_000563C4.TMP;1 LCL_EF699612_009970A8_2A602D8C.TMP;1 LCL_F40BB4D3_00998774_23C0049C.TMP;1 LCL_F5F1E7C6_009987FC_24600972.TMP;1 Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:40:52 GMT From: Damian Watts Subject: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Message-ID: <708875817wnr@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk> HELP I need to receive CCMail binary attachments using VMS Mail and visa versa. Can you help? Is there a different newsgroup that I should be posting to? Thanks for any help given. Damian Watts DPD (Europe) Ltd Tel No: 01628 478808 Fax No: 01628 478828 EMail: watts@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:54:32 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Re: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Message-ID: <009987D2.4BE34D80.25@swdev.si.com> Damian Watts (watts@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk) writes: >I need to receive CCMail binary attachments using VMS Mail and visa >versa. Can you help? Is there a different newsgroup that I should be >posting to? comp.mail.misc might be of some help, but only "might". We use cc:Mail and VMS Mail together extensively. Frankly, there are not a lot of binary files that would "mean something" to both a VMS user and a PC (or Mac) user. For example, many PC people attempt to send Word documents to people. There's nothing on VMS, in general, that can read Word documents, so what's the point? PC .EXEs certainly don't mean anything to VMS users; neither do Excel spreadsheets or Powerpoint presentations. That said, we _do_ send binary files betwwen the cc:Mail systems and VMS using cc:Mail's SMTPlink, which automatically UUencodes binary attachments. We have UUdecode on the VMS systems, so we can convert them back to binary for those very few cases where binary files carry meaning. I've even read Word documents on the VMS systems, because they _do_ contain some ASCII text, which, if I use an editor like TPU which accepts longer records, is readable. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 95 09:25:33 GMT From: neill@macro.demon.co.uk (Neill Clift) Subject: Re: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Message-ID: <1995Oct27.092533.487@macro.demon.co.uk> In article <0099867E.35809B0B.37@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: > > o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be > relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to > reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. > So being a very bad person I didn't reinstall MX and it seems to work fine so far. What doesn't work? I assumed that it would tell me the image needed relinking after the upgrade when I tried to use it but it didn't. Neill. -- Neill Clift neill@macro.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:02:48 CDT From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Message-ID: <009987CB.1203C2BD.21@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> neill@macro.demon.co.uk (Neill Clift) writes: > >In article <0099867E.35809B0B.37@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: >> >> o MX runs just fine on V7.0, but MX_MAILSHRP *does* need to be >> relinked before using it. The easiest way to do this is to >> reinstall the MX images from the MX VMSINSTAL kits. >> >So being a very bad person I didn't reinstall MX and it seems to work fine so >far. What doesn't work? I assumed that it would tell me the image needed >relinking after the upgrade when I tried to use it but it didn't. Matt told me that it needed relinking on Alpha; perhaps the VAX version doesn't. I personally haven't installed it on a V7.0 system. (Matt had it running first and told me that you get the "system version mismatch" error on OpenVMS Alpha G7.0-EFT2. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:23:26 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Subject: MX LOCAL dying Message-ID: <009987DE.B7402402.454@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong - here's a traceback taken from the MX_LOCAL_nodename.LOG file in MX_ROOT:[LOCAL] today: %LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC ERROR OPEN_ERROR_FILE 445 00000089 0000568A ERROR DELIVERY_ERROR 239 0000002F 00005314 DELIVER MAIL_TO_RECIPIENTS 1103 00000306 00006CAF DELIVER DELIVER 709 000009A0 000066F6 PROCESS PROCESS 320 000004BE 00003BEF MX_LOCAL MX_LOCAL 31 000003C6 00002BCA Unfortunately, LOCAL debugging was not turned on so I can't actually see the queue entry that provoked it. I shall turn this on before restarting so if it happens again, I'll be more prepared. If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual memory, I'ld love to hear it. This is MX 4.1 on VMS 5.5-2H4 (a VAX 4100A) over multinet 3.4B with NETLIB 2.0I Andy Harper Kings College London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:12:01 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Re: MX LOCAL dying Message-ID: <009987D4.BD3C6A00.10@swdev.si.com> Andy Harper (udaa055@kcl.ac.uk) writes: >Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong >If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >memory, I'ld love to hear it. What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:08:14 GMT From: lee@hshuna.hsh.com (Lee Havemann) Subject: MX rewrite <> POP server? Message-ID: Probably a dumb question, bet here it is anyway... Our Mail exchange is a Vax with MX 4.1 (UCX 2.0E, VMS 5.5-2). Having just installed Win95 (they made me do it :-() on some PC's, I now have need of a POP server so these PC's can send/receive internet email through MicroSoft Exchange. Fine. I installed the POP server (qpop) on our unix box and we can send email, but since our exchange server is the vax, it doesn't know what to do with a piece of mail addressed to a PC. I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I still don't know enough about it to make it work. So what I want to do is take any mail addressed to user@hshpc*.hsh.com and ship it over to the unix server. Any suggestions would be quite welcome. Thanks, -- ----- Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir. HSH Associates (201) 838-3330 Internet: lee@hsh.com Compuserve: 70410,3507 AOL: HSH Assoc MSN: HSH_Associates http://www.hsh.com ---- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:06:33 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: MX rewrite <> POP server? Message-ID: <0099880E.A60697E0.1@garnet.nist.gov> > Our Mail exchange is a Vax with MX 4.1 (UCX 2.0E, VMS 5.5-2). > Having just installed Win95 (they made me do it :-() on some PC's, I now > have need of a POP server so these PC's can send/receive internet email > through MicroSoft Exchange. Fine. I installed the POP server (qpop) on > our unix box and we can send email, but since our exchange server is the > vax, it doesn't know what to do with a piece of mail addressed to a PC. POP (POP2 or POP3) is a mechanism for retreiving mail from a host that normally receives it. It is *not* normally a mechanism used for giving a PC an EMail address. Put another way, PCs running a POP client can read mail sent to accounts on your VAX if the VAX has POP server software running. Sending mail from PCs is usually easy. In general, they use SMTP, just like other Internet mail hosts, but they don't have a queueing/retry mechanism. So, they send all mail to a single host that does. If your VAX runs MX, it would be well suited to this purpose, as an "SMTP Server." > I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one) I do not know what is available for UCX. For CMU/TEK TCP/IP, I use the POP server from Indiana University. > I can maybe use the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a > PC over to the unix POP server. Is this possible? Yes, but why would you want to? Let's suppose that, despite advice to the contrary, you decide to give each PC an individual host name to be used for EMail. Then, if you really want all this mail to go to a host with a POP server, you would have to define MX records in the domain name system (not to be confused with the program named MX) that all point to that server. If you want the mail to go to the Unix box, you would set up the MX records pointing to the Unix box, not to the VAX running MX. The better solution is to tell people to use the mail address: user@pop-server-name > So what I want to do is take any mail addressed to user@hshpc*.hsh.com and > ship it over to the unix server. Unfortunately, you cannot set up MX records in the DNS with wildcards in them. You would have to set up an MX record for each host hshpc*.hsh.com. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:04:22 EDT From: Scott McNeilly Subject: Re: MX rewrite <> POP server? Message-ID: <00998816.B9FF3A60.14@fred.bridgew.edu> Lee Havemann writes: >I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use >the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix >POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I >still don't know enough about it to make it work. >----- > Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir. HSH Associates (201) 838-3330 > Internet: lee@hsh.com Compuserve: 70410,3507 AOL: HSH Assoc > MSN: HSH_Associates http://www.hsh.com ---- You can use IUPOP3 as a server on VMS. It is available via ftp at ftp.indiana.edu. There are other POP servers available for VMS, but I don't know how to get them. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #166 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:46:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:47:23 MET From: Kurt Schumacher - KS E & C Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: KURT.SCHUMACHER@DECUS.CH, HANS.VONMANDACH@DECUS.CH, Kurt.Schumacher@decus.ch Message-ID: <00998857.68C67820.5@elias.decus.ch> Subject: Experiences with IUPOP3 and MS Exchange (95)? We are using for tests MS Exchange (Win95) with IUPOP3 (last version). After transfering the mail messages the Inbox (Posteingang) looks ok, but in the window Remote Mail we only see a simple icon for each mail in the (VMS-)newmail folder - missing is all the textual information, such as From (Von), Subject (Betreff) and all the others. After playing around with IUPOP3, include tracing (think the information IS delivered!), I might end up saying there is a Exchange problem, but I am NOT SURE... Sorry, I know that these (boring?) postages to the MX mail list are not exactely on MX - which works for us like a charm day by day, week by week, month by month - well, an nearby perfect piece of REAL PROFESSIONAL SOFTWARE. This has to be sid once. Thanks very much for MX. Ideas, experiences? Thanks, Kurt Schumacher DECUS Switzerland +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kurt Schumacher E-Mail: Kurt.Schumacher@decus.ch | | Engineering & Consulting PSI-Mail: PSI%47911312::K_SCHUMACHER | | KS E & C Voice: +41 1 342 42 54 | | Riedhofstrasse 303 FAX: +41 1 342 42 54 | | CH-8049 Zürich | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:37:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:34:25 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099883C.73675EE0.3@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: RE: MX LOCAL dying On 27-OCT-1995 at 11:36:36.58 tillman@swdev.si.com (Brian Tillman, x8425) wrote: >Andy Harper (udaa055@kcl.ac.uk) writes: > >>Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >>memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong > >>If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >>memory, I'ld love to hear it. > >What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW >PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, >neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. > Here's what the process running Local shows on my system: $ show proc/quota/id=2020718d 27-OCT-1995 21:28:23.28 User: KMOCH Process ID: 2020718D Node: WHS Process name: "MX Local" Process Quotas: Account name: KMOCH CPU limit: Infinite Direct I/O limit: 100 Buffered I/O byte count quota: 39168 Buffered I/O limit: 100 Timer queue entry quota: 50 Open file quota: 95 Paging file quota: 7318 Subprocess quota: 8 Default page fault cluster: 64 AST quota: 100 Enqueue quota: 287 Shared file limit: 0 Max detached processes: 0 Max active jobs: 0 and from SYSGEN, I think these are the relevant ones? PQL_DPGFLQUOTA 32768 8192 512 -1 Pages D VIRTUALPAGECNT 73536 12032 512 4194304 Pages Joe -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 03:37:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:33:06 +0100 Message-ID: <95102810330660@zar.unizar.es> From: webmaster@zar.unizar.es Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@madgoat.com Subject: Re: MX rewrite <> POP server? >I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use >the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix >POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I >still don't know enough about it to make it work. I use a POP server: IUPOP3 (ftp.indiana.edu) /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | | Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | | University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | | Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:03:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:03:15 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009988DF.BC612CE0.166@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #167 MX-List Digest Sat, 28 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 167 Today's Topics: Experiences with IUPOP3 and MS Exchange (95)? MX LOCAL dying MX rewrite <> POP server? Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:47:23 MET From: Kurt Schumacher - KS E & C Subject: Experiences with IUPOP3 and MS Exchange (95)? Message-ID: <00998857.68C67820.5@elias.decus.ch> We are using for tests MS Exchange (Win95) with IUPOP3 (last version). After transfering the mail messages the Inbox (Posteingang) looks ok, but in the window Remote Mail we only see a simple icon for each mail in the (VMS-)newmail folder - missing is all the textual information, such as From (Von), Subject (Betreff) and all the others. After playing around with IUPOP3, include tracing (think the information IS delivered!), I might end up saying there is a Exchange problem, but I am NOT SURE... Sorry, I know that these (boring?) postages to the MX mail list are not exactely on MX - which works for us like a charm day by day, week by week, month by month - well, an nearby perfect piece of REAL PROFESSIONAL SOFTWARE. This has to be sid once. Thanks very much for MX. Ideas, experiences? Thanks, Kurt Schumacher DECUS Switzerland +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kurt Schumacher E-Mail: Kurt.Schumacher@decus.ch | | Engineering & Consulting PSI-Mail: PSI%47911312::K_SCHUMACHER | | KS E & C Voice: +41 1 342 42 54 | | Riedhofstrasse 303 FAX: +41 1 342 42 54 | | CH-8049 Zürich | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:34:25 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Subject: Re: MX LOCAL dying Message-ID: <0099883C.73675EE0.3@whscdp.whs.edu> On 27-OCT-1995 at 11:36:36.58 tillman@swdev.si.com (Brian Tillman, x8425) wrote: >Andy Harper (udaa055@kcl.ac.uk) writes: > >>Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >>memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong > >>If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >>memory, I'ld love to hear it. > >What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW >PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, >neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. > Here's what the process running Local shows on my system: $ show proc/quota/id=2020718d 27-OCT-1995 21:28:23.28 User: KMOCH Process ID: 2020718D Node: WHS Process name: "MX Local" Process Quotas: Account name: KMOCH CPU limit: Infinite Direct I/O limit: 100 Buffered I/O byte count quota: 39168 Buffered I/O limit: 100 Timer queue entry quota: 50 Open file quota: 95 Paging file quota: 7318 Subprocess quota: 8 Default page fault cluster: 64 AST quota: 100 Enqueue quota: 287 Shared file limit: 0 Max detached processes: 0 Max active jobs: 0 and from SYSGEN, I think these are the relevant ones? PQL_DPGFLQUOTA 32768 8192 512 -1 Pages D VIRTUALPAGECNT 73536 12032 512 4194304 Pages Joe -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:33:06 +0100 From: webmaster@zar.unizar.es Subject: Re: MX rewrite <> POP server? Message-ID: <95102810330660@zar.unizar.es> >I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use >the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix >POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I >still don't know enough about it to make it work. I use a POP server: IUPOP3 (ftp.indiana.edu) /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | | Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | | University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | | Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #167 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:05:44 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 07:18:57 +0900 To: yoshio@osak.ac.jp From: yoshio@osaka.ac.jp, agc03455@niftyserv.or.jp, agc03455@niftyserv.or.jp, abd03395@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, harry@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pll.my, tox04894@niftyserv.or.jp, rty02834@niftyserv.or.jp, jui@pll.my, hre@pll.my, kare@osaka.ac.jp, are04255@niftyserv.or.jp, ytr03785@niftyserv.or.jp, anb02395@niftyserv.or.jp, tfg@sinnica.edu.tw, vea@aoone.net.au, yre@dialicks.co.nz, alan@nitec.ac.jp, naga@osaka.ac.jp, set@unee.edu (Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors, Japan Chapter) Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *email* it back to the company. To make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <----- *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via internet email to: potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you: Catalogue format desired from below two choices: (1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on which format may be best for you). How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Yoshio Koseki's referral 102895-l *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* {{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer. Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed 525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one whole.}}} Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and email to them at: potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int *NOTE: to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field.* They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Yoshio Koseki ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occassion. Please make sure to mention my name when you join. I will get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 02:35:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: neill@macro.demon.co.uk (Neill Clift) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Date: 28 Oct 95 09:45:16 GMT Message-ID: <1995Oct28.094516.489@macro.demon.co.uk> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009987CB.1203C2BD.21@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: > > Matt told me that it needed relinking on Alpha; perhaps the VAX > version doesn't. I personally haven't installed it on a V7.0 system. > (Matt had it running first and told me that you get the "system > version mismatch" error on OpenVMS Alpha G7.0-EFT2. I was expecting to have to relink MX and quite a few other things. I have not had to relink anything. Even my serial line driver and the mailbox program didn't and you can't get much more internal than that. Looks like the VAX changes were pretty minimal. Shame really. Neill. -- Neill Clift neill@macro.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:02:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:02:08 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009989A8.BF10F140.339@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #168 MX-List Digest Sun, 29 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 168 Today's Topics: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 07:18:57 +0900 From: yoshio@osaka.ac.jp, agc03455@niftyserv.or.jp, Subject: Message-ID: (Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors, Japan Chapter) Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *email* it back to the company. To make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <----- *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via internet email to: potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you: Catalogue format desired from below two choices: (1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on which format may be best for you). How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Yoshio Koseki's referral 102895-l *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* {{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer. Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed 525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one whole.}}} Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and email to them at: potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int *NOTE: to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field.* They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Yoshio Koseki ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occassion. Please make sure to mention my name when you join. I will get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 95 09:45:16 GMT From: neill@macro.demon.co.uk (Neill Clift) Subject: Re: MX and OpenVMS V7.0 Message-ID: <1995Oct28.094516.489@macro.demon.co.uk> In article <009987CB.1203C2BD.21@ALPHA.WKU.EDU>, Hunter Goatley writes: > > Matt told me that it needed relinking on Alpha; perhaps the VAX > version doesn't. I personally haven't installed it on a V7.0 system. > (Matt had it running first and told me that you get the "system > version mismatch" error on OpenVMS Alpha G7.0-EFT2. I was expecting to have to relink MX and quite a few other things. I have not had to relink anything. Even my serial line driver and the mailbox program didn't and you can't get much more internal than that. Looks like the VAX changes were pretty minimal. Shame really. Neill. -- Neill Clift neill@macro.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #168 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 06:16:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:12:46 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <00998A41.1ACDA7F6.1258@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: MX LOCAL dying I wrote originally.... >>Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >>memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong > >>If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >>memory, I'ld love to hear it. >What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW >PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, >neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. All the Process quotas look fine; pagefile usage seems to be around 8-9K BYTLM is up in the 32K region with only about 1-2K max used Still baffled... Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:30:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:27:18 CST From: Peg Bohanon IS-RMF 681-4508 Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Peg.Bohanon@metc.state.mn.us Message-ID: <00998A64.AA05CD40.9@metc.state.mn.us> Subject: RE: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Damian Watts (watts@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk) writes: >I need to receive CCMail binary attachments using VMS Mail and visa >versa. Can you help? Is there a different newsgroup that I should be >posting to? Brian Tillman, x8425 responds: >That said, we _do_ send binary files betwwen the cc:Mail systems and VMS using >cc:Mail's SMTPlink, which automatically UUencodes binary attachments. We have >UUdecode on the VMS systems, so we can convert them back to binary for those >very few cases where binary files carry meaning. I've even read Word documents >on the VMS systems, because they _do_ contain some ASCII text, which, if I use >an editor like TPU which accepts longer records, is readable. Now my question. The agency I work for has fairly recently been reorganized from 4 different agencies. We are all using different computer systems and different mail systems. We communicate between the different parts of the agency via the Internet. When a person uses GroupWise to send an E-Mail to someone on the VAX but attaches a WordPerfect document, VMS Mail does not handle it. If I got (from where?) UUdecode on the VAX, would I be able to turn the gibberish back into a WordPerfect document? Obviously, I do have WordPerfect installed on the VAX. Yet another part of the agency uses cc:Mail. Thanks, Peg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:12:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Lee Havemann Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MX rewrite <> POP server? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:17:52 GMT Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU webmaster@zar.unizar.es wrote: > >>I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use >>the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix >>POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I >>still don't know enough about it to make it work. > >I use a POP server: IUPOP3 (ftp.indiana.edu) > >/-----------------------------------------------------------------\ >| Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | >| Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | >| University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | >| Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | >\-----------------------------------------------------------------/ Thanks for the replies. I got it, compiled it and installed it, all on the first try :-) So far, it seems to be working properly with Microsoft Exchange, so that makes my life much simpler. Thanks again, ----- Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir. HSH Associates (201) 838-3330 Mailto: lee@hsh.com Compuserve: 70410,3507 AOL: HSH Assoc MSN: HSH_Associates http://www.hsh.com ---- "Any opinions expressed are usually not those of my employer." - Cannot find REALITY.SYS. Universe halted. - ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:43:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:52:05 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Peg.Bohanon@metc.state.mn.us Message-ID: <00998AF6.9E05D2A0.16@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Peg Bohanon (Peg.Bohanon@metc.state.mn.us) wrote: >Now my question. The agency I work for has fairly recently been reorganized >from 4 different agencies. We are all using different computer systems and >different mail systems. We communicate between the different parts of the >agency via the Internet. When a person uses GroupWise to send an E-Mail to >someone on the VAX but attaches a WordPerfect document, VMS Mail does not >handle it. If I got (from where?) UUdecode on the VAX, would I be able to >turn the gibberish back into a WordPerfect document? Obviously, I do have >WordPerfect installed on the VAX. Yet another part of the agency uses >cc:Mail. If the WP document is UUencoded by GroupWise, then, if you have UUdecode on the VMS system, you should be able to recover the file such that WP on VMS likes it. You possibly might have to adjust the file attributes with a tool like SET FILE/ATTRIB (if your VMS is V6.x) or FILE (Joe Meadows tool, from FTP sites all over), but other than that, no problem. If the encoding is other than UUencode, it's less likely. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:29:19 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: kmm@cc.colorado.edu Subject: RE: MX LOCAL dying Date: 31 Oct 1995 18:13:17 GMT Message-ID: <475ovt$fm7@lace.Colorado.EDU> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00998A41.1ACDA7F6.1258@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>, "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" writes: >I wrote originally.... >>>Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >>>memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong >> >>>If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >>>memory, I'ld love to hear it. > > >>What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW >>PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, >>neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. > > All the Process quotas look fine; pagefile usage seems to be around 8-9K > BYTLM is up in the 32K region with only about 1-2K max used > > > >Still baffled... > >Andy Harper >Kings College London (MX 4.1, OpenVMS 1.5 on Alpha 3000/300L). I, too, have been having this problem. LOCAL agents have been crashing - mostly in the middle of delivering to large mailing lists (1500 local addresses). Following this discussion, I've looked at all the recommended settings, and found the image termination records in the accounting file. It turns out the Pgflquo (73536) for the SYSTEM account (which is used to run MX) matches the "Peak page file: 73536" entry in the "DETACHED Process Termination" record for that process. I looked at multiple failures of this type over the last few weeks, and that always seems to be the case. The output of "autogen testfiles" showed the "Maximum observed usage" of the PAGEFILEto be 20 blocks short of the PAGEFILE size - I assume this contributes to the problem. So, I increased the pgflquo and added more paging space. Or is it just paging space that's the problem? Could the gurus let me know if I've misjudged the problem, forgotten an important parameter, and if it's possible to calculate how much virtual memory LOCAL will need to process x number of entries - or does it use what it can find? The pertinent sysuaf and accounting records follow. Thanks for all the free support I've gleaned from the discussions. Karen Michels ======================================================== Uername: SYSTEM Owner: SYSTEM MANAGER Account: SYSTEM UIC: [1,4] ([SYSTEM]) CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES Default: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] LGICMD: LOGIN Flags: Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Secondary days: Sat Sun No access restrictions Expiration: (none) Pwdminimum: 8 Login Fails: 0 Pwdlifetime: 90 00:00 Pwdchange: 14-OCT-1995 07:42 Last Login: 14-OCT-1995 07:42 (interactive), 31-OCT-1995 07:07 (non-interactive) Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 300 Bytlm: 99000 Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 200 JTquota: 4096 Prclm: 10 DIOlm: 200 WSdef: 2000 Prio: 4 ASTlm: 250 WSquo: 4000 Queprio: 0 TQElm: 20 WSextent: 20000 CPU: (none) Enqlm: 4000 Pgflquo: 73536 Authorized Privileges: MX_LOCAL Image Termination -------------------------- Username: SYSTEM UIC: [SYSTEM] Account: SYSTEM Finish time: 30-OCT-1995 08:47:07.92 Process ID: 2200D05C Start time: 27-OCT-1995 10:57:14.55 Owner ID: Elapsed time: 2 21:49:53.36 Terminal name: Processor time: 0 00:17:35.52 Remote node addr: Priority: 4 Remote node name: Privilege <31-00>: FFFFFFFF Remote ID: Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFFF Queue entry: Final status code: 1C278034 Queue name: Job name: Final status text: Page faults: 11034 Direct IO: 241161 Page fault reads: 105 Buffered IO: 82747 Peak working set: 8192 Volumes mounted: 0 Peak page file: 62944 Images executed: 0 Image name: _$1$DKA300:[SITELIB.MX.][ALPHA_EXE]MX_LOCAL.EXE DETACHED Process Termination ---------------------------- Username: SYSTEM UIC: [SYSTEM] Account: SYSTEM Finish time: 30-OCT-1995 08:47:08.23 Process ID: 2200D05C Start time: 27-OCT-1995 10:57:13.65 Owner ID: Elapsed time: 2 21:49:54.57 Terminal name: Processor time: 0 00:17:35.67 Remote node addr: Priority: 4 Remote node name: Privilege <31-00>: FFFFFFFF Remote ID: Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFFF Queue entry: Final status code: 1C278034 Queue name: Job name: Final status text: Page faults: 11078 Direct IO: 241167 Page fault reads: 133 Buffered IO: 82773 Peak working set: 8192 Volumes mounted: 0 Peak page file: 73536 Images executed: 1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:07:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:06:32 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998B3B.B0D435A8.681@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #169 MX-List Digest Tue, 31 Oct 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 169 Today's Topics: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail (2 msgs) MX LOCAL dying (2 msgs) MX rewrite <> POP server? Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:27:18 CST From: Peg Bohanon IS-RMF 681-4508 Subject: Re: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Message-ID: <00998A64.AA05CD40.9@metc.state.mn.us> Damian Watts (watts@dpdeuro.demon.co.uk) writes: >I need to receive CCMail binary attachments using VMS Mail and visa >versa. Can you help? Is there a different newsgroup that I should be >posting to? Brian Tillman, x8425 responds: >That said, we _do_ send binary files betwwen the cc:Mail systems and VMS using >cc:Mail's SMTPlink, which automatically UUencodes binary attachments. We have >UUdecode on the VMS systems, so we can convert them back to binary for those >very few cases where binary files carry meaning. I've even read Word documents >on the VMS systems, because they _do_ contain some ASCII text, which, if I use >an editor like TPU which accepts longer records, is readable. Now my question. The agency I work for has fairly recently been reorganized from 4 different agencies. We are all using different computer systems and different mail systems. We communicate between the different parts of the agency via the Internet. When a person uses GroupWise to send an E-Mail to someone on the VAX but attaches a WordPerfect document, VMS Mail does not handle it. If I got (from where?) UUdecode on the VAX, would I be able to turn the gibberish back into a WordPerfect document? Obviously, I do have WordPerfect installed on the VAX. Yet another part of the agency uses cc:Mail. Thanks, Peg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:52:05 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Re: HELP: Using CCMail attachments with VMSmail Message-ID: <00998AF6.9E05D2A0.16@swdev.si.com> Peg Bohanon (Peg.Bohanon@metc.state.mn.us) wrote: >Now my question. The agency I work for has fairly recently been reorganized >from 4 different agencies. We are all using different computer systems and >different mail systems. We communicate between the different parts of the >agency via the Internet. When a person uses GroupWise to send an E-Mail to >someone on the VAX but attaches a WordPerfect document, VMS Mail does not >handle it. If I got (from where?) UUdecode on the VAX, would I be able to >turn the gibberish back into a WordPerfect document? Obviously, I do have >WordPerfect installed on the VAX. Yet another part of the agency uses >cc:Mail. If the WP document is UUencoded by GroupWise, then, if you have UUdecode on the VMS system, you should be able to recover the file such that WP on VMS likes it. You possibly might have to adjust the file attributes with a tool like SET FILE/ATTRIB (if your VMS is V6.x) or FILE (Joe Meadows tool, from FTP sites all over), but other than that, no problem. If the encoding is other than UUencode, it's less likely. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:12:46 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Subject: Re: MX LOCAL dying Message-ID: <00998A41.1ACDA7F6.1258@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> I wrote originally.... >>Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >>memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong > >>If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >>memory, I'ld love to hear it. >What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW >PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, >neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. All the Process quotas look fine; pagefile usage seems to be around 8-9K BYTLM is up in the 32K region with only about 1-2K max used Still baffled... Andy Harper Kings College London ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1995 18:13:17 GMT From: kmm@cc.colorado.edu Subject: Re: MX LOCAL dying Message-ID: <475ovt$fm7@lace.Colorado.EDU> In article <00998A41.1ACDA7F6.1258@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>, "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" writes: >I wrote originally.... >>>Well, I thought I had cracked the problem of MX Local crashing due to the MAIL >>>memory leak, by installing the appropriate patch. It seems I was wrong >> >>>If anyone has a bright idea about why this is still running out of virtual >>>memory, I'ld love to hear it. > > >>What are your PQL_* parameters and your VIRTUALPAGECNT value? What does SHOW >>PROCESS/QUOTA say (while it's running)? In continuous usage for 11 days, >>neither of the MX Local agents I run have exceeded 6K in address space. > > All the Process quotas look fine; pagefile usage seems to be around 8-9K > BYTLM is up in the 32K region with only about 1-2K max used > > > >Still baffled... > >Andy Harper >Kings College London (MX 4.1, OpenVMS 1.5 on Alpha 3000/300L). I, too, have been having this problem. LOCAL agents have been crashing - mostly in the middle of delivering to large mailing lists (1500 local addresses). Following this discussion, I've looked at all the recommended settings, and found the image termination records in the accounting file. It turns out the Pgflquo (73536) for the SYSTEM account (which is used to run MX) matches the "Peak page file: 73536" entry in the "DETACHED Process Termination" record for that process. I looked at multiple failures of this type over the last few weeks, and that always seems to be the case. The output of "autogen testfiles" showed the "Maximum observed usage" of the PAGEFILEto be 20 blocks short of the PAGEFILE size - I assume this contributes to the problem. So, I increased the pgflquo and added more paging space. Or is it just paging space that's the problem? Could the gurus let me know if I've misjudged the problem, forgotten an important parameter, and if it's possible to calculate how much virtual memory LOCAL will need to process x number of entries - or does it use what it can find? The pertinent sysuaf and accounting records follow. Thanks for all the free support I've gleaned from the discussions. Karen Michels ======================================================== Uername: SYSTEM Owner: SYSTEM MANAGER Account: SYSTEM UIC: [1,4] ([SYSTEM]) CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES Default: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] LGICMD: LOGIN Flags: Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Secondary days: Sat Sun No access restrictions Expiration: (none) Pwdminimum: 8 Login Fails: 0 Pwdlifetime: 90 00:00 Pwdchange: 14-OCT-1995 07:42 Last Login: 14-OCT-1995 07:42 (interactive), 31-OCT-1995 07:07 (non-interactive) Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 300 Bytlm: 99000 Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 200 JTquota: 4096 Prclm: 10 DIOlm: 200 WSdef: 2000 Prio: 4 ASTlm: 250 WSquo: 4000 Queprio: 0 TQElm: 20 WSextent: 20000 CPU: (none) Enqlm: 4000 Pgflquo: 73536 Authorized Privileges: MX_LOCAL Image Termination -------------------------- Username: SYSTEM UIC: [SYSTEM] Account: SYSTEM Finish time: 30-OCT-1995 08:47:07.92 Process ID: 2200D05C Start time: 27-OCT-1995 10:57:14.55 Owner ID: Elapsed time: 2 21:49:53.36 Terminal name: Processor time: 0 00:17:35.52 Remote node addr: Priority: 4 Remote node name: Privilege <31-00>: FFFFFFFF Remote ID: Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFFF Queue entry: Final status code: 1C278034 Queue name: Job name: Final status text: Page faults: 11034 Direct IO: 241161 Page fault reads: 105 Buffered IO: 82747 Peak working set: 8192 Volumes mounted: 0 Peak page file: 62944 Images executed: 0 Image name: _$1$DKA300:[SITELIB.MX.][ALPHA_EXE]MX_LOCAL.EXE DETACHED Process Termination ---------------------------- Username: SYSTEM UIC: [SYSTEM] Account: SYSTEM Finish time: 30-OCT-1995 08:47:08.23 Process ID: 2200D05C Start time: 27-OCT-1995 10:57:13.65 Owner ID: Elapsed time: 2 21:49:54.57 Terminal name: Processor time: 0 00:17:35.67 Remote node addr: Priority: 4 Remote node name: Privilege <31-00>: FFFFFFFF Remote ID: Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFFF Queue entry: Final status code: 1C278034 Queue name: Job name: Final status text: Page faults: 11078 Direct IO: 241167 Page fault reads: 133 Buffered IO: 82773 Peak working set: 8192 Volumes mounted: 0 Peak page file: 73536 Images executed: 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:17:52 GMT From: Lee Havemann Subject: Re: MX rewrite <> POP server? Message-ID: webmaster@zar.unizar.es wrote: > >>I either need a POP server for VMS (I couldn't find one), or I can maybe use >>the MX rewrite rules to forward any mail addressed to a PC over to the unix >>POP server. Is this possible? I studied the rewrite define command, but I >>still don't know enough about it to make it work. > >I use a POP server: IUPOP3 (ftp.indiana.edu) > >/-----------------------------------------------------------------\ >| Javier Sabadell | Phone: 34-76-761000 (3284) | >| Geophysics | Fax: 34-76-761140 | >| University of Zaragoza | URL: http://zar.unizar.es/ | >| Zaragoza, Spain E-50009 | Internet: webmaster@zar.unizar.es | >\-----------------------------------------------------------------/ Thanks for the replies. I got it, compiled it and installed it, all on the first try :-) So far, it seems to be working properly with Microsoft Exchange, so that makes my life much simpler. Thanks again, ----- Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir. HSH Associates (201) 838-3330 Mailto: lee@hsh.com Compuserve: 70410,3507 AOL: HSH Assoc MSN: HSH_Associates http://www.hsh.com ---- "Any opinions expressed are usually not those of my employer." - Cannot find REALITY.SYS. Universe halted. - ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #169 ******************************