Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 00:15:03 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 00:14:08 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998B77.6D1B38C0.238@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Posting statistics for list MX-LIST during October 1995 Total number of posts: 154 Total number of posters: 61 Total number of subscribers: 281 Last modified: 28-SEP-1995 13:33 (Updated digest info) Welcome to MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. MX-List postings are also available in a daily digest format. To subscribe to the digest, send the following command in the body of a mail message to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SUBSCRIBE MX-List-Digest "Your real name here" The MX-List archives are maintained at ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To get a copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message with the body SEND MX-List.yyyy-mm to ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, where "yyyy" is the year and "mm" is the numeric representation of the month. For example, the message SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992. MX itself is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu in [.MX.MX041]. You can also get it via e-mail by sending the commands SEND MX and SEND FILESERV_TOOLS on separate lines in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To remove yourself from the mailing list, send the following command to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SIGNOFF MX-List MXserver supports a few other commands for your convenience. The following commands can be handled automatically by the list processor: SIGNOFF MX-List - to remove yourself from the list REVIEW MX-List - to get a list of subscribers QUERY MX-List - to get the status of your entry on the list SET MX-List DIGEST - to switch to digest mode SET MX-List NODIGEST - to switch to non-digest mode SET MX-List NOMAIL - to remain on the list but not receive mail SET MX-List MAIL - to resume receiving mail from the list SET MX-List CONCEAL - to not report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List NOCONCEAL - to report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List REPRO - to receive posts you make to MX-List SET MX-List NOREPRO - to not receive posts you make to MX-List LIST - to get a list of mailing lists served by WKUVX1 HELP - to receive a help file By default, subscriptions are set to MAIL, REPRO, NOCONCEAL. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer goathunter@LOKI.COM The LOKI Group, Inc. P.O. Box 9609 Bowling Green, KY 42102-9609 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 17:26:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: ucx? Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 18:17:45 GMT Message-ID: <478dhs$9oc@earth.njcc.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Does mx interact with UCX SMTP? I can't seem to find any documentation to this effect. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 17:26:55 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Queue Errors Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:10:28 GMT Message-ID: <478k59$ch8@earth.njcc.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU At the end of the installation of MX, i got the followiing error: %MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation An error occurred creating the MX queue file. I am told to correct the problem and use mcp queue create to create the queue when done. Can anyone give me the clue as to what is the problem? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 17:27:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: ucx? Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:27:24 GMT Message-ID: <478l51$dar@earth.njcc.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) wrote: >Does mx interact with UCX SMTP? I can't seem to find any >documentation to this effect. Please disregard this - and a thanks to Mike Frazier ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 19:21:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:18:14 EST From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998C1F.A3358980.6@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: ucx? zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) writes: >Does mx interact with UCX SMTP? I can't seem to find any >documentation to this effect. No. If you want to use MX, you must disable SMTP in UCX. Too many cooks spoil the broth, and if you have BOTH MX and UCX trying to handle your SMTP mail, neither will work. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 19:21:43 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:22:04 EST From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998C20.2C4B39E0.28@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Queue Errors zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) writes: >At the end of the installation of MX, i got the followiing error: > >%MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue >-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for >operation > >An error occurred creating the MX queue file. I am told to correct >the problem and use mcp queue create to create the queue when done. >Can anyone give me the clue as to what is the problem? It's not really a problem. Just start MCP and enter the QUEUE CREATE command. It will create the queue and you should be able to proceed with the post-installation tasks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 17:12:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 17:05:09 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998CCD.D418A9A7.2048@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #170 MX-List Digest Thu, 2 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 170 Today's Topics: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Queue Errors (2 msgs) ucx? (3 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 00:14:08 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Message-ID: <00998B77.6D1B38C0.238@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Posting statistics for list MX-LIST during October 1995 Total number of posts: 154 Total number of posters: 61 Total number of subscribers: 281 Last modified: 28-SEP-1995 13:33 (Updated digest info) Welcome to MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. MX-List postings are also available in a daily digest format. To subscribe to the digest, send the following command in the body of a mail message to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SUBSCRIBE MX-List-Digest "Your real name here" The MX-List archives are maintained at ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To get a copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message with the body SEND MX-List.yyyy-mm to ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, where "yyyy" is the year and "mm" is the numeric representation of the month. For example, the message SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992. MX itself is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu in [.MX.MX041]. You can also get it via e-mail by sending the commands SEND MX and SEND FILESERV_TOOLS on separate lines in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. To remove yourself from the mailing list, send the following command to MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU: SIGNOFF MX-List MXserver supports a few other commands for your convenience. The following commands can be handled automatically by the list processor: SIGNOFF MX-List - to remove yourself from the list REVIEW MX-List - to get a list of subscribers QUERY MX-List - to get the status of your entry on the list SET MX-List DIGEST - to switch to digest mode SET MX-List NODIGEST - to switch to non-digest mode SET MX-List NOMAIL - to remain on the list but not receive mail SET MX-List MAIL - to resume receiving mail from the list SET MX-List CONCEAL - to not report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List NOCONCEAL - to report your address in a REVIEW SET MX-List REPRO - to receive posts you make to MX-List SET MX-List NOREPRO - to not receive posts you make to MX-List LIST - to get a list of mailing lists served by WKUVX1 HELP - to receive a help file By default, subscriptions are set to MAIL, REPRO, NOCONCEAL. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer goathunter@LOKI.COM The LOKI Group, Inc. P.O. Box 9609 Bowling Green, KY 42102-9609 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:10:28 GMT From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Subject: Queue Errors Message-ID: <478k59$ch8@earth.njcc.com> At the end of the installation of MX, i got the followiing error: %MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation An error occurred creating the MX queue file. I am told to correct the problem and use mcp queue create to create the queue when done. Can anyone give me the clue as to what is the problem? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:22:04 EST From: Scott McNeilly Subject: Re: Queue Errors Message-ID: <00998C20.2C4B39E0.28@fred.bridgew.edu> zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) writes: >At the end of the installation of MX, i got the followiing error: > >%MCP-E-QCVTFAIL, error creating new system message queue >-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for >operation > >An error occurred creating the MX queue file. I am told to correct >the problem and use mcp queue create to create the queue when done. >Can anyone give me the clue as to what is the problem? It's not really a problem. Just start MCP and enter the QUEUE CREATE command. It will create the queue and you should be able to proceed with the post-installation tasks. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 18:17:45 GMT From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Subject: ucx? Message-ID: <478dhs$9oc@earth.njcc.com> Does mx interact with UCX SMTP? I can't seem to find any documentation to this effect. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:27:24 GMT From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Subject: Re: ucx? Message-ID: <478l51$dar@earth.njcc.com> zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) wrote: >Does mx interact with UCX SMTP? I can't seem to find any >documentation to this effect. Please disregard this - and a thanks to Mike Frazier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 20:18:14 EST From: Scott McNeilly Subject: Re: ucx? Message-ID: <00998C1F.A3358980.6@fred.bridgew.edu> zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) writes: >Does mx interact with UCX SMTP? I can't seem to find any >documentation to this effect. No. If you want to use MX, you must disable SMTP in UCX. Too many cooks spoil the broth, and if you have BOTH MX and UCX trying to handle your SMTP mail, neither will work. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #170 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 00:33:31 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: John_Mertus@brown.edu (John Mertus) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: More problems with MX records Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:48:16 LOCAL Message-ID: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and the work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does often. I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the maill starts working again. Any ideas? -John_Mertus@Brown.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 08:12:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 09:09:46 EST From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998D54.95B3FAE0.29@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: More problems with MX records John Mertus writes: > I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, >but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works >to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and the >work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does >often. > > I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the >maill starts working again. Any ideas? > >-John_Mertus@Brown.EDU I'm sorry. I remember that you wrote about this problem before, but I can't remember the nature of the failures. Please tell us again, when mail to MX records quits working, what is the nature of the failure? timeout? no such host? DNS failure? too many retries? ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 14:26:03 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 15:22:50 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: John_Mertus@brown.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00998D88.B39E6020.1@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: More problems with MX records > I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, > but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always > works to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, > and the work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one > that does often. > > I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the > mail starts working again. Any ideas? Back on October 19, there was a complaint posted to the list that a host could not send mail to addresses in the DNS that were MX, rather than A records. What was not posted to the list was that it subsequently developed that this user had a network where the IP address of the name server was also assigned to a second computer. That is, the "MX" vs "A" complaint was a false alarm. (I had sent private EMail to this person to try to help diagnose the problem.) Your problem is likely unrelated, but you surely appreciate how little information you've given us to go on. Did you enable debugging for the SMTP agent? What _exactly_ shows up in the logs for mail that fails? - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 17:18:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 11:51:42 EST From: Brian Reed Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List%WKUVX1.WKU.EDU@ig2.att.att.com Message-ID: <00998D6B.34C79054.3@cbict3.cb.att.com> Subject: Skipping from address check Some time ago, I posted a couple of questions. One was where MX was rejecting incoming mail, as the from address was not RFC compliant. One suggestion I got was that the sources for MX are available, so I could do what I want with that check. So I have the sources now, but I don't have a BLISS compiler. Since BLISS has been retired, are the licenses freely available now? Also, I couldn't do anything with the code (try to compile and see what I'm missing), and don't know BLISS, but it seemed as though there might be several libraries that I need also. So, my question is what am I getting into trying to re-compile MX? Is it simple, or is it quite involved? Are there any other options available? Again, I don't know BLISS, and don't know what all I might need for MX, so I want to find out what I'm up against. I have an Alpha 3000/600, VMS 6.1, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1 Thanks. Brian D. 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Yep; check the Freeware CD, or ftp.wku.edu in [.VMS.FREEWARE_CD.BLISS]. >Also, I couldn't >do anything with the code (try to compile and see what I'm missing), >and don't know BLISS, but it seemed as though there might be several >libraries that I need also. > The VMSINSTAL kit will do what needs to be done on a VAX; on Alpha, you'll need to create the STARLET library: $ SET DEFAULT SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] $ BLISS/LIBRARY STARLET.REQ >So, my question is what am I getting into trying to re-compile >MX? Is it simple, or is it quite involved? It's not too bad, if you follow the instructions in the top-level directory. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 02:57:18 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: 809-474-7607 ! Local Voice Personals/Live Chat! 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I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Yoshio Koseki ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 13:53:40 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 13:30:03 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <00998E42.1C98EBE0.5@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: wish list items for next version of mx Aside from providing a fix for the problem of LOCAL dying, I also request that a fix for the ROUTER dying be attempted. Early yesterday, the router started looping endlessly, stopping all mail. When I caught up with it in the late afternoon, there were several hundred messages in the que awaiting the ROUTER to finish the one it was stuck on. Though I was able to stop the process, cancel the job in the que, and get it going again, perhaps a timer could be added into the code so that if it begins taking lots of time, the ROUTER will cancel or put the job aside with a message to the manager then go on. Just a couple of thoughts...and wishes... Joe -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 14:54:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 13:56:30 MST From: cdooling@west.cscwc.pima.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998E45.CE6762E0.10@west.cscwc.pima.edu> Subject: RE: Call 1-800-856-2469, LIVE LIVE LIVE 809-474-7588 code1630 DATE SENT: 4-NOV-1995 13:56:00 >Subj: Call 1-800-856-2469, LIVE LIVE LIVE 809-474-7588 code1630 > >18+, 24hours, rates as low as $0.38/min > Is this really appropriate for this group? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cindy Dooling PCCWST::PIMAMGR PimaCommunityCollege cdooling@west.cscwc.pima.edu 2202 W. Anklam voice: 520 884-6970 Tucson, Arizona 85709-0010 fax: 520 884-6033 |-----| Nothing but Net .|---| |---| | |----| |______| --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:04:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:02:45 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998E5F.D32E6507.54@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #171 MX-List Digest Sat, 4 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 171 Today's Topics: 809-474-7607 ! Local Voice Personals/Live Chat! Code1630 Call 1-800-856-2469, LIVE LIVE LIVE 809-474-7588 code1630 (2 msgs) More problems with MX records (3 msgs) Skipping from address check (2 msgs) wish list items for next version of mx Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:14:14 +0900 From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, Subject: Message-ID: (Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors, Japan Chapter) Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and email it back to the company. To make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <----- *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via internet email to: potential_new_members_FREE_catalogue_by-email@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you: Catalogue format desired from below two choices: (1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on which format may be best for you). How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Yoshio Koseki's referral 110495-l *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* {{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer. Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed 525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one whole.}}} Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and email to them at: potential_new_members_FREE_catalogue_by-email@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int *NOTE: to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field.* They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Yoshio Koseki ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:05:46 GMT From: spotter@netcom.com (Steve Potter) Subject: 809-474-7607 ! Local Voice Personals/Live Chat! Code1630 Message-ID: You must be 18 years of age or older. As low as $0.23/min Available 24 hours a day! ALL LIFESTYLES welcome vmsnet.mail.mx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 09:05:39 GMT From: spotter@netcom.com (Steve Potter) Subject: Call 1-800-856-2469, LIVE LIVE LIVE 809-474-7588 code1630 Message-ID: 18+, 24hours, rates as low as $0.38/min Hot, Young women want it NOW ----011-592-247-681 Gay, Bi, Bi-curious guys at -----809-474-7604 ************************************************ ************************************************ ************************************************ ************************************************ vmsnet.mail.mx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 13:56:30 MST From: cdooling@west.cscwc.pima.edu Subject: Re: Call 1-800-856-2469, LIVE LIVE LIVE 809-474-7588 code1630 Message-ID: <00998E45.CE6762E0.10@west.cscwc.pima.edu> DATE SENT: 4-NOV-1995 13:56:00 >Subj: Call 1-800-856-2469, LIVE LIVE LIVE 809-474-7588 code1630 > >18+, 24hours, rates as low as $0.38/min > Is this really appropriate for this group? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cindy Dooling PCCWST::PIMAMGR PimaCommunityCollege cdooling@west.cscwc.pima.edu 2202 W. Anklam voice: 520 884-6970 Tucson, Arizona 85709-0010 fax: 520 884-6033 |-----| Nothing but Net .|---| |---| | |----| |______| -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:48:16 LOCAL From: John_Mertus@brown.edu (John Mertus) Subject: More problems with MX records Message-ID: I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and the work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does often. I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the maill starts working again. Any ideas? -John_Mertus@Brown.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 09:09:46 EST From: Scott McNeilly Subject: Re: More problems with MX records Message-ID: <00998D54.95B3FAE0.29@fred.bridgew.edu> John Mertus writes: > I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, >but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works >to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and the >work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does >often. > > I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the >maill starts working again. Any ideas? > >-John_Mertus@Brown.EDU I'm sorry. I remember that you wrote about this problem before, but I can't remember the nature of the failures. Please tell us again, when mail to MX records quits working, what is the nature of the failure? timeout? no such host? DNS failure? too many retries? ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 15:22:50 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: More problems with MX records Message-ID: <00998D88.B39E6020.1@garnet.nist.gov> > I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, > but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always > works to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, > and the work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one > that does often. > > I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the > mail starts working again. Any ideas? Back on October 19, there was a complaint posted to the list that a host could not send mail to addresses in the DNS that were MX, rather than A records. What was not posted to the list was that it subsequently developed that this user had a network where the IP address of the name server was also assigned to a second computer. That is, the "MX" vs "A" complaint was a false alarm. (I had sent private EMail to this person to try to help diagnose the problem.) Your problem is likely unrelated, but you surely appreciate how little information you've given us to go on. Did you enable debugging for the SMTP agent? What _exactly_ shows up in the logs for mail that fails? - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 11:51:42 EST From: Brian Reed Subject: Skipping from address check Message-ID: <00998D6B.34C79054.3@cbict3.cb.att.com> Some time ago, I posted a couple of questions. One was where MX was rejecting incoming mail, as the from address was not RFC compliant. One suggestion I got was that the sources for MX are available, so I could do what I want with that check. So I have the sources now, but I don't have a BLISS compiler. Since BLISS has been retired, are the licenses freely available now? Also, I couldn't do anything with the code (try to compile and see what I'm missing), and don't know BLISS, but it seemed as though there might be several libraries that I need also. So, my question is what am I getting into trying to re-compile MX? Is it simple, or is it quite involved? Are there any other options available? Again, I don't know BLISS, and don't know what all I might need for MX, so I want to find out what I'm up against. I have an Alpha 3000/600, VMS 6.1, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1 Thanks. Brian D. Reed AT&T Columbus Works Brian.D.Reed@att.com 614-860-6218 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 18:13:34 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Skipping from address check Message-ID: <00998DA0.8D62BB5A.33@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Brian Reed writes: > >Since BLISS has been >retired, are the licenses freely available now? Yep; check the Freeware CD, or ftp.wku.edu in [.VMS.FREEWARE_CD.BLISS]. >Also, I couldn't >do anything with the code (try to compile and see what I'm missing), >and don't know BLISS, but it seemed as though there might be several >libraries that I need also. > The VMSINSTAL kit will do what needs to be done on a VAX; on Alpha, you'll need to create the STARLET library: $ SET DEFAULT SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] $ BLISS/LIBRARY STARLET.REQ >So, my question is what am I getting into trying to re-compile >MX? Is it simple, or is it quite involved? It's not too bad, if you follow the instructions in the top-level directory. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 13:30:03 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Subject: wish list items for next version of mx Message-ID: <00998E42.1C98EBE0.5@whscdp.whs.edu> Aside from providing a fix for the problem of LOCAL dying, I also request that a fix for the ROUTER dying be attempted. Early yesterday, the router started looping endlessly, stopping all mail. When I caught up with it in the late afternoon, there were several hundred messages in the que awaiting the ROUTER to finish the one it was stuck on. Though I was able to stop the process, cancel the job in the que, and get it going again, perhaps a timer could be added into the code so that if it begins taking lots of time, the ROUTER will cancel or put the job aside with a message to the manager then go on. Just a couple of thoughts...and wishes... Joe -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #171 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 00:18:50 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 23:15:28 EST From: Brian Reed Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@madgoat.com Message-ID: <00998D01.8FB35BD4.3@cbict3.cb.att.com> Subject: Skipping from address check Some time ago, I posted a couple of questions. One was where MX was rejecting incoming mail, as the from address was not RFC compliant. One suggestion I got was that the sources for MX are available, so I could do what I want with that check. So I have the sources now, but I don't have a BLISS compiler. Since BLISS has been retired, are the licenses freely available now? Also, I couldn't do anything with the code (try to compile and see what I'm missing), and don't know BLISS, but it seemed as though there might be several libraries that I need also. So, my question is what am I getting into trying to re-compile MX? Is it simple, or is it quite involved? Are there any other options available? Again, I don't know BLISS, and don't know what all I might need for MX, so I want to find out what I'm up against. I have an Alpha 3000/600, VMS 6.1, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1 Thanks. Brian D. Reed AT&T Columbus Works Brian.D.Reed@att.com 614-860-6218 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 07:34:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 07:10:40 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <00998F9F.71AA7960.3@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: listserv replies I am apparently mis-understanding the reply_to flag on defining/modifying a mailing list. What I'd like to do is to have the reply going to both the list and to the originator. I thought I set this up correctly. Here is a MCP show list example: >Mailing lists: > Name: mps-inet-tech > Owner: "kmoch@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU" > Reply-to: List, Sender > Archive: USER:[WHS.ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH-ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH] > Description: MPS Internet Technical Group Listserv > Errors-to: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu > Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther > Private list: No > Case sensitive: Yes > Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD) However, when a message is posted, it has the original sender only in the From: heading at least on this VAX/VMS system (and apparently on other systems also). What am I missing? -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 08:22:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 08:21:50 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998FA9.62823824.26@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: listserv replies kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu writes: > >I am apparently mis-understanding the reply_to flag on defining/modifying a >mailing list. > >What I'd like to do is to have the reply going to both the list and to the >originator. I thought I set this up correctly. Here is a MCP show list >example: > [...] >However, when a message is posted, it has the original sender only in the From: >heading at least on this VAX/VMS system (and apparently on other systems also). > >What am I missing? > What version of MX? MX V4.1 includes support for multiple addresses on the VMS Mail "From:" line, but not all packages do. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 09:48:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 10:44:39 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00998FBD.56918A60.5@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: The Detective, Dr. Spam Is it the phase of the moon, or something? There's more spam and other junk in my mailbox this morning than usual. While replies regarding spam are almost always as bad as the spam itself (since the list reader ought to know better), nevertheless, this gem deserves special comment. > X-Sender: yoshio@osak.ac.jp (Unverified) Unverified is right. There's no such host. The dunderheads couldn't even spell Osaka. > Message-ID: Think IP host 204.183.126.181 has anything to do with this? Maybe, but more likely it's just a random number. Nice try, guys. > To: yoshio@osak.ac.jp > From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, > agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp, abd03395@niftyserv.or.jp, > nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, > harry@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pll.my, > tov04894@niftyserv.or.jp, rty02834@niftyserv.or.jp, jui@pll.my, > hre@pll.my, kari@osaka.ac.jp, are04255@niftyserv.or.jp, > yxr03785@niftyserv.or.jp, anb02395@niftyserv.or.jp, > tfg@sinnica.edu.tw, veb@aoone.net.au, yre@dialicks.co.nz, > alan@nitec.ac.jp, naga@osak.ac.jp, set@unee.edu > > > (Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors, > Japan Chapter) > > My name is Yoshio Koseki... Wow! What a UN of headers. But what mailer would compose a message _from_ so many people, but _to_ only one. Odd. And you think that the message comes from the far east. Right? But wait... there's more. > REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via > internet email to: > > potential_new_members_FREE_catalogue_by-email@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int This is the key. Let's suppose that these folk really want you to reply to them, so that they can get your money. Where _is_ this EMail address? INT: International top-level domain (INT-DOM) TPC.INT: TPC.INT nameserver = pele.ocms.ox.ac.uk TPC.INT nameserver = auth02.ns.uu.net TPC.INT nameserver = jatz.aarnet.edu.au 1.TPC.INT: text = "Canada and the United States" (So much for the Far East theory.) 8.1.7.1.TPC.INT: text = "Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx, NY" text = "Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc., NY" text = "Tinkelman Enterprises, Inc." 6.9.8.1.7.1.TPC.INT: mail exchanger = tink.com mail exchanger = camb.com $ whois camb.com Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc. (CAMB-DOM) 90 Sherman Street Cambridge, MA 02140 Domain Name: CAMB.COM Administrative Contact: Tinkelman, Robert P. (RPT8) bob@TINK.COM 718.776.6811 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Love, William J. (WJL4) love@INTERNET.COM (617) 547-4731 $ whois tink.com Tinkelman Enterprises Inc. (TINK-DOM) 82-04 218th Street Hollis Hills, NY 11427 Domain Name: TINK.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Tinkelman, Robert P. (RPT8) bob@TINK.COM 718.776.6811 Remember the salsa commercial with the tag line, "NEW YORK CITY???" - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 13:53:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: John_Mertus@brown.edu (John Mertus) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: More problems with MX records - Semi solved Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:46:39 LOCAL Message-ID: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I had posted > I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, >but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works >to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and then >work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does >often. I noticed that when it stopped working, the system had been up 43 days. I rebooted and mail to MX records began to work again. I do not know enough about mail internals to know if there is some memory array that fills up and cannot add another lookup record. But the code generates no error. Or its just the phase of the moon. (FYI, when the MX mail stops working, the bounce comes back with the error: Unknow Host.) Anyway, Mail eXchange for VMS is so much better then UCX mail, and so many less bugs, that, even if DEC claimed to have added all the features of MX, I'd never go back. >-John_Mertus@Brown.EDU PS: 43 days up time is not a lot, my Vaxstation 4000 has been up 196 days, never got to a year yet, too many updates to install. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:00:35 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 13:59:44 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998FD8.9719F8E0.20@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: RE: listserv replies On 6-NOV-1995 at 10:43:10.36 goathunter@LOKI.COM (Hunter Goatley) wrote: >kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu writes: >> >What version of MX? MX V4.1 includes support for multiple addresses >on the VMS Mail "From:" line, but not all packages do. > We are running MX V4.1 - from the looks of things, even though I have the list set up to reply to both the list and the sender, and that I am using VMS V6.2 mail - apparently something is still wrong. Did I reinstall MX when I upgraded to VMS V6.2? -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:02:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 13:01:53 MST From: "Brian K. Gilpatrick" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: sysmgr@upi.uhcolorado.edu Message-ID: <00998FD0.82164F00.1@upi.uhcolorado.edu> Subject: List Ownership and Mgmt From: UPI::SYSMGR "Brian K. Gilpatrick" 6-NOV-1995 12:56:04.36 Subj: List Ownership and Mgmt I have recently taken over as system administrator and I need to perform some list address mgmt. I am not the owner of the lists and the owner is one of the names to be deleted from the list. How can I become the owner of the list? Do I simply run MLF_CONFIG? Will that create a new list or update the old list? Also, the Primary List Server manager is POSTMASTER, but it is not a valid VMS User. Should I also be a Primary List Server Manager? If so, how is this accomplished. Thanks, Brian K. Gilpatrick, bkg@upi.uhcolorado.edu University Physicians, Inc., Denver, Colorado ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:05:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 15:05:16 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00998FE1.BEB0C600.5@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: The Detective, Dr. Spam I have received two private notes on this that I should pass along. The first is that the EMail address, ...tpc.int, is a widely publicized, publically available EMail-to-fax service that allows people anywhere in the world to send faxes. Various people put their computers at the disposal of this network to allow faxes to be sent within their local telephone calling areas. The second was a personal testimonial about Bob Tinkelman, whose is connected with the fax service in the New York area. The sender is a frequent and reliable contributor to MX-List. It is clear that something funny is going on here -- a "Japanese" promotion with a reply address that's a fax machine in New York. However, please don't take it out on the well-meaning providers of the fax service. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:07:38 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:06:14 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <00998FD9.7F4601E0.30@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: listserv replies - more info Sorry for this apparent duplicate posting - I forgot to include a sample mail message to demonstrate my problem. Here goes...incidentally, MX is V4.1 on this VMS V6.2 system I am apparently mis-understanding the reply_to flag on defining/modifying a mailing list. What I'd like to do is to have the reply going to both the list and to the originator. I thought I set this up correctly. Here is a MCP show list example: >Mailing lists: > Name: mps-inet-tech > Owner: "kmoch@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU" > Reply-to: List, Sender > Archive: USER:[WHS.ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH-ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH] > Description: MPS Internet Technical Group Listserv > Errors-to: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu > Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther > Private list: No > Case sensitive: Yes > Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD) However, when a message is posted, it has the original sender only in the From: heading at least on this VAX/VMS system (and apparently on other systems also). >From: MX%"wanek@whscdp.whs.edu" >To: MX%"MPS-INET-TECH@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU" >CC: >Subj: ROAM password authentication > >Return-Path: >X-ListName: MPS Internet Technical Group Listserv >Warnings-To: <> >Errors-To: owner-mps-inet-tech@whscdp.whs.edu >Sender: owner-mps-inet-tech@whscdp.whs.edu >Received: by whscdp.whs.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 118; Fri, 03 Nov 1995 18:30:46 CDT >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 13:25:34 CDT >From: wanek@whscdp.whs.edu >Reply-To: wanek@whscdp.whs.edu >To: MPS-INET-TECH@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU >Message-ID: <00998D78.51AFD480.118@whscdp.whs.edu> >Subject: ROAM password authentication > What am I missing? -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:26:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 11:45:02 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <00998FC5.C5DF890A.332@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: MX LOCAL and MX Router dying - solutions Following my recent message about MX local dying, I think I've tracked down another reason and its solution. It seems that MX LOCAL, and also MX router, have a problem in dealing with very large mailing lists. Not a problem exactly, but it causes their use of virtual memory (PGFLQUO) to hit the limit set up by the MX_START.COM procedure in MX_EXE (which is 15,000). This is what causes them to crash with virtual memory exceeded. With the recent surge in 'spamming' attempts on the network, it is more and more likely that huge 'To:' address fields will appear, causing this problem. So what are the solutions...? First, if running on VAX VMS 5.5-2 to VAX VMS 6.1, install the patch called VAXMAIL05_061. This fixes the MAILSHR leak. There is no equivalent patch for Alpha and also no patch available for OpenVMS 6.2, where the mail memory leak recurs. I guess we're still awaiting DEC on that one. Note that there is a bug with this patch that may affect some users. It fails to send DECNET mail unless the user has NETMBX; installing the image with NETMBX does NOT work ! I have notified DEC and am awaiting a solution. Second, edit the MX_EXE:MX_START.COM procedure and change the definition of the START symbol to increase the Page File quota (/PAGE_FILE=...) from the default of 15,000 to a much larger value - I've used 50,000 since I have no real idea what is needed for such large mailing list addresses. Check that the SYSGEN paramter VIRTUALPAGECNT is equal or greater than this value. You might also like to check that your pagefile is large enough. Finally, shut down MX and restart it to bring the changes into effect. You only need to reboot if VIRTUALPAGECNT was changed. I hope this helps people. Please let the list know of successes or failures so it can be monitored. In particular, if anyone has a better idea of what /PAGE_FILE value to use and/or a patch for OpenVMS 6.2, please let the list know. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:27:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 13:27:13 MST From: Mark Tarka Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00998FD4.0BD9EB40.2@earth.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: RE: The Detective, Dr. Spam Dear Dr. Spam: I am the usual no-nothing injecting, due to inflation, my $0.029. Is there currently a feature in the MX package which can protect me and my family _from_ SPAM? That is, is there a filter available in the general day-to-day mail handling algorithm? What about my family's mailing list (MX mailing list handler)? Is there a way to protect subscribers from being SPAMmed through our list? I can imagine a feature allowing one to create a list of email addresses that are to be rejected; that would allow the list-owner (may well be a no-nothing, also) to prevent a _second_ SPAM attack from that address. When it comes to SPAM, I say: fry it! Finally, Dr. Spam, where do victims of SPAM get help. Is counseling available to relieve the stress, grief and anxiety of the SPAM experience? Is there a SPAM victims support group on Usenet, or a mailing list? Mark ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 15:04:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 16:03:38 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: sysmgr@upi.uhcolorado.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00998FE9.E603EFE0.13@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: List Ownership and Mgmt > Do I simply run MLF_CONFIG? Will that create a new list or update the > old list? Neither. It's been a long time, and I don't remember all the details, but I think that MLF_CONFIG just creates a configuration file that you later run through the MCP utility. (It may also run the file after it creates it; I don't remember.) What I did here, a long time ago, was to use the "canned" method of creating the first-shot of the (text version of) the configuration file. Actually, if I remember, you get it in two parts -- the part with the routes and paths and locals and all that stuff. Also, there was the separate MLF part. In any event, I now just keep one master file and edit it with a text editor to make minor changes like the ones you're discribing. After you have a plain-text file with the configuration you want, you use the MCP utility to actually digest it. I strongly suggest that you read the MX manuals on all of this. However, two key points are these. First, if you do not now have a text version of the configuration file, the MCP utility allow you to create one -- a complete one -- based on your current configuration. Secondly, the way you feed the text file into MCP to digest it is: $ MCP/NOFILE <-- note the /NOFILE MCP> @configuration-filename.text MCP> SAVE MX_DIR:MX_CONFIG.MXCFG <-- if not already part of the text file > Also, the Primary List Server manager is POSTMASTER, but it is not a > valid VMS User. Should I also be a Primary List Server Manager? If so, > how is this accomplished. I don't understand. There are "List Owners," which can vary between each list. There are SYSTEM_USERS. What special are you looking for in this "Manager"? - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 15:20:13 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:19:24 MST From: "Brian K. Gilpatrick" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: sysmgr@upi.uhcolorado.edu Message-ID: <00998FDB.566CA1A0.1@upi.uhcolorado.edu> Subject: RE: List Ownership and Mgmt > From: MX%"hardis@garnet.nist.gov" 6-NOV-1995 14:04:04.13 > Subj: RE: List Ownership and Mgmt > > Do I simply run MLF_CONFIG? Will that create a new list or update the > > old list? > > Neither. > > It's been a long time, and I don't remember all the details, but I think > that MLF_CONFIG just creates a configuration file that you later run > through the MCP utility. (It may also run the file after it creates it; > I don't remember.) > > What I did here, a long time ago, was to use the "canned" method of > creating the first-shot of the (text version of) the configuration file. > Actually, if I remember, you get it in two parts -- the part with the > routes and paths and locals and all that stuff. Also, there was the > separate MLF part. In any event, I now just keep one master file and edit > it with a text editor to make minor changes like the ones you're discribing. > > After you have a plain-text file with the configuration you want, you use > the MCP utility to actually digest it. > > I strongly suggest that you read the MX manuals on all of this. However, > two key points are these. First, if you do not now have a text version of > the configuration file, the MCP utility allow you to create one -- a > complete one -- based on your current configuration. Secondly, the way you > feed the text file into MCP to digest it is: > > $ MCP/NOFILE <-- note the /NOFILE > MCP> @configuration-filename.text > MCP> SAVE MX_DIR:MX_CONFIG.MXCFG <-- if not already part of the text file > I have the text file and have read the manuals. My concern was that if I modify the MLF_CONFIG.MCP text file and run it, then would I be overwriting the current mail list or simply be updating the ownership field. The manuals do not explain what occurs when a configuration file is reran. > > Also, the Primary List Server manager is POSTMASTER, but it is not a > > valid VMS User. Should I also be a Primary List Server Manager? If so, > > how is this accomplished. > > I don't understand. There are "List Owners," which can vary between each > list. There are SYSTEM_USERS. What special are you looking for in this > "Manager"? > According to the Message Exchange Mailing List/File Server Guide, pg 2-1, the List Server managers (defined by SYSTEM_USERS) are granted control access to all mailing lists on the system. Therefore, they can perform ADD and REMOVE commands on all lists. It would appear that on this system, the only List Server manager is an alias named POSTMASTER. If I am to manage all of the lists, should I also be a List Server manager? Thanks, Brian K. Gilpatrick, bkg@upi.uhcolorado.edu University Physicians, Inc., Denver, Colorado ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 16:35:56 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:34:45 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: sysmgr@upi.uhcolorado.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00998FF6.A07B6AE0.7@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: List Ownership and Mgmt > My concern was that if I modify the MLF_CONFIG.MCP text file and run it, > then would I be overwriting the current mail list or simply be updating > the ownership field. It just changes the ownership field -- as part of redefining the existance of the list and its properties. The mailing list itself, the contents of file MX_DEVICE:[MX.MLF.MAILING_LISTS]xxxxx.MAILING_LIST;1, are entirely unaffected by MCP operations. > According to the Message Exchange Mailing List/File Server Guide, pg 2-1, > the List Server managers (defined by SYSTEM_USERS) are granted control > access to all mailing lists on the system. Therefore, they can perform ADD > and REMOVE commands on all lists. It would appear that on this system, the > only List Server manager is an alias named POSTMASTER. If I am to manage > all of the lists, should I also be a List Server manager? It sounds like you want to be a SYSTEM_USER. In CONFIG.MCP (or whatever your text configuration file is named): DEFINE ALIAS "Postmaster" "xxxxx@aaa.bbb.ccc" DEFINE ALIAS "POSTMAST" "xxxxx@aaa.bbb.ccc" ! for BITNET compatibility ! DEFINE SYSTEM_USERS "xxxxx@aaa.bbb.ccc","SYSTEM@aaa.bbb.ccc" - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:04:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:02:25 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00998FF2.1C06E0C7.320@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #172 MX-List Digest Mon, 6 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 172 Today's Topics: List Ownership and Mgmt (4 msgs) listserv replies (3 msgs) listserv replies - more info More problems with MX records - Semi solved MX LOCAL and MX Router dying - solutions Skipping from address check The Detective, Dr. Spam (3 msgs) Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 13:01:53 MST From: "Brian K. Gilpatrick" Subject: List Ownership and Mgmt Message-ID: <00998FD0.82164F00.1@upi.uhcolorado.edu> From: UPI::SYSMGR "Brian K. Gilpatrick" 6-NOV-1995 12:56:04.36 Subj: List Ownership and Mgmt I have recently taken over as system administrator and I need to perform some list address mgmt. I am not the owner of the lists and the owner is one of the names to be deleted from the list. How can I become the owner of the list? Do I simply run MLF_CONFIG? Will that create a new list or update the old list? Also, the Primary List Server manager is POSTMASTER, but it is not a valid VMS User. Should I also be a Primary List Server Manager? If so, how is this accomplished. Thanks, Brian K. Gilpatrick, bkg@upi.uhcolorado.edu University Physicians, Inc., Denver, Colorado ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 16:03:38 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: List Ownership and Mgmt Message-ID: <00998FE9.E603EFE0.13@garnet.nist.gov> > Do I simply run MLF_CONFIG? Will that create a new list or update the > old list? Neither. It's been a long time, and I don't remember all the details, but I think that MLF_CONFIG just creates a configuration file that you later run through the MCP utility. (It may also run the file after it creates it; I don't remember.) What I did here, a long time ago, was to use the "canned" method of creating the first-shot of the (text version of) the configuration file. Actually, if I remember, you get it in two parts -- the part with the routes and paths and locals and all that stuff. Also, there was the separate MLF part. In any event, I now just keep one master file and edit it with a text editor to make minor changes like the ones you're discribing. After you have a plain-text file with the configuration you want, you use the MCP utility to actually digest it. I strongly suggest that you read the MX manuals on all of this. However, two key points are these. First, if you do not now have a text version of the configuration file, the MCP utility allow you to create one -- a complete one -- based on your current configuration. Secondly, the way you feed the text file into MCP to digest it is: $ MCP/NOFILE <-- note the /NOFILE MCP> @configuration-filename.text MCP> SAVE MX_DIR:MX_CONFIG.MXCFG <-- if not already part of the text file > Also, the Primary List Server manager is POSTMASTER, but it is not a > valid VMS User. Should I also be a Primary List Server Manager? If so, > how is this accomplished. I don't understand. There are "List Owners," which can vary between each list. There are SYSTEM_USERS. What special are you looking for in this "Manager"? - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:19:24 MST From: "Brian K. Gilpatrick" Subject: Re: List Ownership and Mgmt Message-ID: <00998FDB.566CA1A0.1@upi.uhcolorado.edu> > From: MX%"hardis@garnet.nist.gov" 6-NOV-1995 14:04:04.13 > Subj: RE: List Ownership and Mgmt > > Do I simply run MLF_CONFIG? Will that create a new list or update the > > old list? > > Neither. > > It's been a long time, and I don't remember all the details, but I think > that MLF_CONFIG just creates a configuration file that you later run > through the MCP utility. (It may also run the file after it creates it; > I don't remember.) > > What I did here, a long time ago, was to use the "canned" method of > creating the first-shot of the (text version of) the configuration file. > Actually, if I remember, you get it in two parts -- the part with the > routes and paths and locals and all that stuff. Also, there was the > separate MLF part. In any event, I now just keep one master file and edit > it with a text editor to make minor changes like the ones you're discribing. > > After you have a plain-text file with the configuration you want, you use > the MCP utility to actually digest it. > > I strongly suggest that you read the MX manuals on all of this. However, > two key points are these. First, if you do not now have a text version of > the configuration file, the MCP utility allow you to create one -- a > complete one -- based on your current configuration. Secondly, the way you > feed the text file into MCP to digest it is: > > $ MCP/NOFILE <-- note the /NOFILE > MCP> @configuration-filename.text > MCP> SAVE MX_DIR:MX_CONFIG.MXCFG <-- if not already part of the text file > I have the text file and have read the manuals. My concern was that if I modify the MLF_CONFIG.MCP text file and run it, then would I be overwriting the current mail list or simply be updating the ownership field. The manuals do not explain what occurs when a configuration file is reran. > > Also, the Primary List Server manager is POSTMASTER, but it is not a > > valid VMS User. Should I also be a Primary List Server Manager? If so, > > how is this accomplished. > > I don't understand. There are "List Owners," which can vary between each > list. There are SYSTEM_USERS. What special are you looking for in this > "Manager"? > According to the Message Exchange Mailing List/File Server Guide, pg 2-1, the List Server managers (defined by SYSTEM_USERS) are granted control access to all mailing lists on the system. Therefore, they can perform ADD and REMOVE commands on all lists. It would appear that on this system, the only List Server manager is an alias named POSTMASTER. If I am to manage all of the lists, should I also be a List Server manager? Thanks, Brian K. Gilpatrick, bkg@upi.uhcolorado.edu University Physicians, Inc., Denver, Colorado ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:34:45 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: List Ownership and Mgmt Message-ID: <00998FF6.A07B6AE0.7@garnet.nist.gov> > My concern was that if I modify the MLF_CONFIG.MCP text file and run it, > then would I be overwriting the current mail list or simply be updating > the ownership field. It just changes the ownership field -- as part of redefining the existance of the list and its properties. The mailing list itself, the contents of file MX_DEVICE:[MX.MLF.MAILING_LISTS]xxxxx.MAILING_LIST;1, are entirely unaffected by MCP operations. > According to the Message Exchange Mailing List/File Server Guide, pg 2-1, > the List Server managers (defined by SYSTEM_USERS) are granted control > access to all mailing lists on the system. Therefore, they can perform ADD > and REMOVE commands on all lists. It would appear that on this system, the > only List Server manager is an alias named POSTMASTER. If I am to manage > all of the lists, should I also be a List Server manager? It sounds like you want to be a SYSTEM_USER. In CONFIG.MCP (or whatever your text configuration file is named): DEFINE ALIAS "Postmaster" "xxxxx@aaa.bbb.ccc" DEFINE ALIAS "POSTMAST" "xxxxx@aaa.bbb.ccc" ! for BITNET compatibility ! DEFINE SYSTEM_USERS "xxxxx@aaa.bbb.ccc","SYSTEM@aaa.bbb.ccc" - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 07:10:40 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Subject: listserv replies Message-ID: <00998F9F.71AA7960.3@whscdp.whs.edu> I am apparently mis-understanding the reply_to flag on defining/modifying a mailing list. What I'd like to do is to have the reply going to both the list and to the originator. I thought I set this up correctly. Here is a MCP show list example: >Mailing lists: > Name: mps-inet-tech > Owner: "kmoch@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU" > Reply-to: List, Sender > Archive: USER:[WHS.ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH-ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH] > Description: MPS Internet Technical Group Listserv > Errors-to: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu > Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther > Private list: No > Case sensitive: Yes > Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD) However, when a message is posted, it has the original sender only in the From: heading at least on this VAX/VMS system (and apparently on other systems also). What am I missing? -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 08:21:50 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: listserv replies Message-ID: <00998FA9.62823824.26@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu writes: > >I am apparently mis-understanding the reply_to flag on defining/modifying a >mailing list. > >What I'd like to do is to have the reply going to both the list and to the >originator. I thought I set this up correctly. Here is a MCP show list >example: > [...] >However, when a message is posted, it has the original sender only in the From: >heading at least on this VAX/VMS system (and apparently on other systems also). > >What am I missing? > What version of MX? MX V4.1 includes support for multiple addresses on the VMS Mail "From:" line, but not all packages do. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 13:59:44 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Subject: Re: listserv replies Message-ID: <00998FD8.9719F8E0.20@whscdp.whs.edu> On 6-NOV-1995 at 10:43:10.36 goathunter@LOKI.COM (Hunter Goatley) wrote: >kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu writes: >> >What version of MX? MX V4.1 includes support for multiple addresses >on the VMS Mail "From:" line, but not all packages do. > We are running MX V4.1 - from the looks of things, even though I have the list set up to reply to both the list and the sender, and that I am using VMS V6.2 mail - apparently something is still wrong. Did I reinstall MX when I upgraded to VMS V6.2? -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:06:14 CDT From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Subject: listserv replies - more info Message-ID: <00998FD9.7F4601E0.30@whscdp.whs.edu> Sorry for this apparent duplicate posting - I forgot to include a sample mail message to demonstrate my problem. Here goes...incidentally, MX is V4.1 on this VMS V6.2 system I am apparently mis-understanding the reply_to flag on defining/modifying a mailing list. What I'd like to do is to have the reply going to both the list and to the originator. I thought I set this up correctly. Here is a MCP show list example: >Mailing lists: > Name: mps-inet-tech > Owner: "kmoch@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU" > Reply-to: List, Sender > Archive: USER:[WHS.ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH-ARCHIVE.MPS-INET-TECH] > Description: MPS Internet Technical Group Listserv > Errors-to: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu > Strip header: NOReceived, NOOther > Private list: No > Case sensitive: Yes > Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD) However, when a message is posted, it has the original sender only in the From: heading at least on this VAX/VMS system (and apparently on other systems also). >From: MX%"wanek@whscdp.whs.edu" >To: MX%"MPS-INET-TECH@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU" >CC: >Subj: ROAM password authentication > >Return-Path: >X-ListName: MPS Internet Technical Group Listserv >Warnings-To: <> >Errors-To: owner-mps-inet-tech@whscdp.whs.edu >Sender: owner-mps-inet-tech@whscdp.whs.edu >Received: by whscdp.whs.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 118; Fri, 03 Nov 1995 18:30:46 CDT >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 13:25:34 CDT >From: wanek@whscdp.whs.edu >Reply-To: wanek@whscdp.whs.edu >To: MPS-INET-TECH@WHSCDP.WHS.EDU >Message-ID: <00998D78.51AFD480.118@whscdp.whs.edu> >Subject: ROAM password authentication > What am I missing? -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:46:39 LOCAL From: John_Mertus@brown.edu (John Mertus) Subject: Re: More problems with MX records - Semi solved Message-ID: I had posted > I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, >but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works >to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and then >work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does >often. I noticed that when it stopped working, the system had been up 43 days. I rebooted and mail to MX records began to work again. I do not know enough about mail internals to know if there is some memory array that fills up and cannot add another lookup record. But the code generates no error. Or its just the phase of the moon. (FYI, when the MX mail stops working, the bounce comes back with the error: Unknow Host.) Anyway, Mail eXchange for VMS is so much better then UCX mail, and so many less bugs, that, even if DEC claimed to have added all the features of MX, I'd never go back. >-John_Mertus@Brown.EDU PS: 43 days up time is not a lot, my Vaxstation 4000 has been up 196 days, never got to a year yet, too many updates to install. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 11:45:02 GMT From: "Andy Harper, KCL Systems Manager" Subject: MX LOCAL and MX Router dying - solutions Message-ID: <00998FC5.C5DF890A.332@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Following my recent message about MX local dying, I think I've tracked down another reason and its solution. It seems that MX LOCAL, and also MX router, have a problem in dealing with very large mailing lists. Not a problem exactly, but it causes their use of virtual memory (PGFLQUO) to hit the limit set up by the MX_START.COM procedure in MX_EXE (which is 15,000). This is what causes them to crash with virtual memory exceeded. With the recent surge in 'spamming' attempts on the network, it is more and more likely that huge 'To:' address fields will appear, causing this problem. So what are the solutions...? First, if running on VAX VMS 5.5-2 to VAX VMS 6.1, install the patch called VAXMAIL05_061. This fixes the MAILSHR leak. There is no equivalent patch for Alpha and also no patch available for OpenVMS 6.2, where the mail memory leak recurs. I guess we're still awaiting DEC on that one. Note that there is a bug with this patch that may affect some users. It fails to send DECNET mail unless the user has NETMBX; installing the image with NETMBX does NOT work ! I have notified DEC and am awaiting a solution. Second, edit the MX_EXE:MX_START.COM procedure and change the definition of the START symbol to increase the Page File quota (/PAGE_FILE=...) from the default of 15,000 to a much larger value - I've used 50,000 since I have no real idea what is needed for such large mailing list addresses. Check that the SYSGEN paramter VIRTUALPAGECNT is equal or greater than this value. You might also like to check that your pagefile is large enough. Finally, shut down MX and restart it to bring the changes into effect. You only need to reboot if VIRTUALPAGECNT was changed. I hope this helps people. Please let the list know of successes or failures so it can be monitored. In particular, if anyone has a better idea of what /PAGE_FILE value to use and/or a patch for OpenVMS 6.2, please let the list know. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 23:15:28 EST From: Brian Reed Subject: Skipping from address check Message-ID: <00998D01.8FB35BD4.3@cbict3.cb.att.com> Some time ago, I posted a couple of questions. One was where MX was rejecting incoming mail, as the from address was not RFC compliant. One suggestion I got was that the sources for MX are available, so I could do what I want with that check. So I have the sources now, but I don't have a BLISS compiler. Since BLISS has been retired, are the licenses freely available now? Also, I couldn't do anything with the code (try to compile and see what I'm missing), and don't know BLISS, but it seemed as though there might be several libraries that I need also. So, my question is what am I getting into trying to re-compile MX? Is it simple, or is it quite involved? Are there any other options available? Again, I don't know BLISS, and don't know what all I might need for MX, so I want to find out what I'm up against. I have an Alpha 3000/600, VMS 6.1, UCX 3.2, MX 4.1 Thanks. Brian D. Reed AT&T Columbus Works Brian.D.Reed@att.com 614-860-6218 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 10:44:39 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: The Detective, Dr. Spam Message-ID: <00998FBD.56918A60.5@garnet.nist.gov> Is it the phase of the moon, or something? There's more spam and other junk in my mailbox this morning than usual. While replies regarding spam are almost always as bad as the spam itself (since the list reader ought to know better), nevertheless, this gem deserves special comment. > X-Sender: yoshio@osak.ac.jp (Unverified) Unverified is right. There's no such host. The dunderheads couldn't even spell Osaka. > Message-ID: Think IP host 204.183.126.181 has anything to do with this? Maybe, but more likely it's just a random number. Nice try, guys. > To: yoshio@osak.ac.jp > From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, > agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp, abd03395@niftyserv.or.jp, > nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, > harry@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pll.my, > tov04894@niftyserv.or.jp, rty02834@niftyserv.or.jp, jui@pll.my, > hre@pll.my, kari@osaka.ac.jp, are04255@niftyserv.or.jp, > yxr03785@niftyserv.or.jp, anb02395@niftyserv.or.jp, > tfg@sinnica.edu.tw, veb@aoone.net.au, yre@dialicks.co.nz, > alan@nitec.ac.jp, naga@osak.ac.jp, set@unee.edu > > > (Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors, > Japan Chapter) > > My name is Yoshio Koseki... Wow! What a UN of headers. But what mailer would compose a message _from_ so many people, but _to_ only one. Odd. And you think that the message comes from the far east. Right? But wait... there's more. > REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via > internet email to: > > potential_new_members_FREE_catalogue_by-email@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int This is the key. Let's suppose that these folk really want you to reply to them, so that they can get your money. Where _is_ this EMail address? INT: International top-level domain (INT-DOM) TPC.INT: TPC.INT nameserver = pele.ocms.ox.ac.uk TPC.INT nameserver = auth02.ns.uu.net TPC.INT nameserver = jatz.aarnet.edu.au 1.TPC.INT: text = "Canada and the United States" (So much for the Far East theory.) 8.1.7.1.TPC.INT: text = "Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx, NY" text = "Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc., NY" text = "Tinkelman Enterprises, Inc." 6.9.8.1.7.1.TPC.INT: mail exchanger = tink.com mail exchanger = camb.com $ whois camb.com Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc. (CAMB-DOM) 90 Sherman Street Cambridge, MA 02140 Domain Name: CAMB.COM Administrative Contact: Tinkelman, Robert P. (RPT8) bob@TINK.COM 718.776.6811 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Love, William J. (WJL4) love@INTERNET.COM (617) 547-4731 $ whois tink.com Tinkelman Enterprises Inc. (TINK-DOM) 82-04 218th Street Hollis Hills, NY 11427 Domain Name: TINK.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Tinkelman, Robert P. (RPT8) bob@TINK.COM 718.776.6811 Remember the salsa commercial with the tag line, "NEW YORK CITY???" - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 15:05:16 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: The Detective, Dr. Spam Message-ID: <00998FE1.BEB0C600.5@garnet.nist.gov> I have received two private notes on this that I should pass along. The first is that the EMail address, ...tpc.int, is a widely publicized, publically available EMail-to-fax service that allows people anywhere in the world to send faxes. Various people put their computers at the disposal of this network to allow faxes to be sent within their local telephone calling areas. The second was a personal testimonial about Bob Tinkelman, whose is connected with the fax service in the New York area. The sender is a frequent and reliable contributor to MX-List. It is clear that something funny is going on here -- a "Japanese" promotion with a reply address that's a fax machine in New York. However, please don't take it out on the well-meaning providers of the fax service. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 13:27:13 MST From: Mark Tarka Subject: Re: The Detective, Dr. Spam Message-ID: <00998FD4.0BD9EB40.2@earth.oscs.montana.edu> Dear Dr. Spam: I am the usual no-nothing injecting, due to inflation, my $0.029. Is there currently a feature in the MX package which can protect me and my family _from_ SPAM? That is, is there a filter available in the general day-to-day mail handling algorithm? What about my family's mailing list (MX mailing list handler)? Is there a way to protect subscribers from being SPAMmed through our list? I can imagine a feature allowing one to create a list of email addresses that are to be rejected; that would allow the list-owner (may well be a no-nothing, also) to prevent a _second_ SPAM attack from that address. When it comes to SPAM, I say: fry it! Finally, Dr. Spam, where do victims of SPAM get help. Is counseling available to relieve the stress, grief and anxiety of the SPAM experience? Is there a SPAM victims support group on Usenet, or a mailing list? Mark ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #172 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:08:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: More problems with MX records Date: 6 Nov 1995 20:05:36 GMT Message-ID: <47lpqg$q82@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article , John_Mertus@brown.edu (John Mertus) writes: = I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, =but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works =to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and the =work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does =often. = = I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the =maill starts working again. Any ideas? Yes. If you want help, include the debug logs. They'll tell you more about exactly what's failing. For example, AOL's servers seem to be rather flakey, so the question of whether the MX lookup is failing or the MX lookup is succeeding but the mail exchangers aren't responding becomes an issue. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 09:00:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:53:18 CST From: metze@vmetze.mrl.uiuc.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: metze@vmetze.mrl.uiuc.edu Message-ID: <00999076.F2A9D402.1@vmetze.mrl.uiuc.edu> Subject: RE: The Detective, Dr. Spam I also hope that mx will be enhanced to anti-spam ... > > Finally, Dr. Spam, where do victims of SPAM get help. Is counseling > available to relieve the stress, grief and anxiety of the SPAM > experience? Is there a SPAM victims support group on Usenet, or a > mailing list? > > Mark SPAM-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Virginia Metze, not speaking for anyone but herself. + "Don't lock yourself + + metze@vmetze.mrl.uiuc.edu + into open systems" + + "'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in a rather + --Aaron Leonard + + scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to + + + mean,--neither more nor less.'" Lewis Carroll + "The world is run + =======================================================+ by C students." + Putting a computer in front of a child and expecting + Anonymous until + it to teach him is like putting a book under his + I find the quote + pillow, only more expensive. + again! + =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 11:32:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 18:24:26 +0100 From: Pierre BRU <"tlsev3::system"@spotimage.com> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009990C6.BB89593E.1@mailgate.spotimage.com> Subject: Multi-Domain(ed) MX server Hi MXers I'm running VMS 6.1/MX 4.1 my VAX (mailgate.spotimage.com, 204.6.41.2), is about to receive a second IP address within an other domain (mailgate.spotimage.fr, xx.xx.xx.2) Can I setup MX to listen for mails from both addresses/domains ? do I have to run 2 MX SMTPservers [is it possible]? Pierre BRU System & Network Mgr. E-mail: system@spotimage.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 12:41:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Ken Leyba Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 12:40:39 CDT subscribe /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Ken Leyba-Instructional Computing Consultant California State University, Dominguez Hills E-Mail:kleyba@dhvx20.csudh.edu Ext:6815 "Remobolize your axioms." "...and if I claim to be a wise man, surley it means I don't know." /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 13:23:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: kmm@cc.colorado.edu Subject: Re: MX LOCAL and MX Router dying - solutions Date: 7 Nov 1995 15:16:21 GMT Message-ID: <47nt85$8a@lace.Colorado.EDU> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Many thanks to Andy and his sleuthing! .. snip >I hope this helps people. Please let the list know of successes or failures so >it can be monitored. In particular, if anyone has a better idea of what >/PAGE_FILE value to use and/or a patch for OpenVMS 6.2, please let the list >know. .. snip I also did some studies this weekend on an Alpha running 1.5, MX 4.1 On the amount needed to process a list: I watched the "paging file quota" on a LOCAL process doing a list with 2400 local entries. It started at 78000 free, and finished processing the list with 42000 free (since my monitoring process checks every 10 minutes, this last figure could be high by about 3000 blocks). I also watched a similar process die with about 12000 left in the paging file quota. So I have a DCL procedure that monitors this, shuts the local process down if f$getjpi(pid,"PAGFILNCT") gets below 50000. Then another procedure starts up any missing processes every hour. I'd rather have a fix. I'll push DEC on getting the MAILSHR patch for an ALPHA. Thanks to all the pointers, the students are no longer getting from 3-6 copies of all campus mailings! Karen Michels ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 13:34:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 14:25:36 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: system@spotimage.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009990A5.5ECB0F60.3@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Multi-Domain(ed) MX server > my VAX (mailgate.spotimage.com, 204.6.41.2), is about to receive a second > IP address within an other domain (mailgate.spotimage.fr, xx.xx.xx.2) > > Can I setup MX to listen for mails from both addresses/domains ? > do I have to run 2 MX SMTPservers [is it possible]? DEFINE PATH "mailgate.spotimage.com" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "mailgate" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "[204.6.41.2]" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "mailgate.spotimage.fr" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "[xx.xx.xx.2]" LOCAL Be careful, though, of the lingo. A machine can have two separate names (mailgate.spotimage.com and mailgate.spotimage.fr) and the same IP address. This is most likely what's happening (in which case you omit the last line, above). In order for a host to have two IP addresses, you generally have to either have two different network ports (connections), or a very convoluted IP driver. In either case, the TCP/IP layer has to worry about acting as a router, etc, as the _applications_ on that host, such as MX, will generally only be able to understand that the host has a single IP address. These are issues that relate to the underlying IP transport, which you didn't specify. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 13:46:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:43:28 -0800 From: winterb@emadns.ema.co.orange.ca.us Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Sources? Message-ID: <95Nov7.114723pst.39682@ocnet.co.orange.ca.us> I'm trying to recompile the bliss example name_conversion routines. It chokes because I don't have the library files [.common]mx and [.common]fields. I can't find those modules, or any of the source code on the installation kit. I'm installing from the VMS 6.2 freeware CD. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 04:54:41 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: MX development? Date: 8 Nov 95 09:34:19 GMT Message-ID: <1995Nov8.093419@oxvaxd> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, Is there any MX development work going on at the moment? Dave -- David Hastings | "If liberty means anything at all, Systems Programmer/News Manager | it means the right to tell people Oxford University Computing Services | what they do not want to hear" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | - George Orwell ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 08:24:03 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 08:23:17 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099913B.EB66152D.12@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX development? daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) writes: > >Hi, > >Is there any MX development work going on at the moment? > At this exact moment? No. I did have some time a few weeks ago and did a few things. At the moment, I'm swamped with real work. It sounds like MX Local has its own memory leak somewhere, so I hope to investigate that soon. I've also experienced some problems with MX SMTP processes dying with access violations. So, I guess the best thing to say is that I have plans for more MX development, but nothing concrete at the moment. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 08:25:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 08:24:36 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099913C.1A648738.17@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Sources? winterb@emadns.ema.co.orange.ca.us writes: > >I'm trying to recompile the bliss example name_conversion routines. It >chokes because I don't have the library files [.common]mx and >[.common]fields. > >I can't find those modules, or any of the source code on the installation kit. >I'm installing from the VMS 6.2 freeware CD. I didn't realize the sources for MX didn't make it to the freeware CD. Sorry about that! You can find them on ftp.wku.edu in [.MX.MX041]. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 11:15:36 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: 8 Nov 95 11:36:00 EST From: "Rich Grace" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: mx-i-flqerr To: "mx-list" Hi, After initial install of mx I get the following error when I try to send to mx%"fmb323a": %MX-I-FLQERR, error accessing MX system queue file %RMS-E-FNF, file not found any ideas? Thanks - Rich Grace ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 13:28:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 14:26:55 EST From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099916E.B7E50500.33@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: mx-i-flqerr "Rich Grace" writes: >Hi, > >After initial install of mx I get the following error when I try to send >to mx%"fmb323a": >%MX-I-FLQERR, error accessing MX system queue file >%RMS-E-FNF, file not found > >any ideas? > >Thanks > >- Rich Grace System queue file was not created. Use MCP and the MCP QUEUE CREATE command to create it. You can use HELP QUEUE CREATE in MCP for more information. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 17:05:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 17:04:20 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00999184.B5B0C0E7.280@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #173 MX-List Digest Wed, 8 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 173 Today's Topics: More problems with MX records Multi-Domain(ed) MX server (2 msgs) mx-i-flqerr (2 msgs) MX development? (2 msgs) MX LOCAL and MX Router dying - solutions Sources? (2 msgs) The Detective, Dr. Spam Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 12:40:39 CDT From: Ken Leyba Subject: Message-ID: subscribe /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Ken Leyba-Instructional Computing Consultant California State University, Dominguez Hills E-Mail:kleyba@dhvx20.csudh.edu Ext:6815 "Remobolize your axioms." "...and if I claim to be a wise man, surley it means I don't know." /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 1995 20:05:36 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: More problems with MX records Message-ID: <47lpqg$q82@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article , John_Mertus@brown.edu (John Mertus) writes: = I read the discussion about the MX records and the way they are looked up, =but I didn't get a resolution to a problem I have. That is, mail always works =to A addresses, but to MX records, it will be working, quit working, and the =work again. Not all MX records will fail, AOL is an example of one that does =often. = = I am running MX over UCX, and we cannot figure out what happens so the =maill starts working again. Any ideas? Yes. If you want help, include the debug logs. They'll tell you more about exactly what's failing. For example, AOL's servers seem to be rather flakey, so the question of whether the MX lookup is failing or the MX lookup is succeeding but the mail exchangers aren't responding becomes an issue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 18:24:26 +0100 From: Pierre BRU <"tlsev3::system"@spotimage.com> Subject: Multi-Domain(ed) MX server Message-ID: <009990C6.BB89593E.1@mailgate.spotimage.com> Hi MXers I'm running VMS 6.1/MX 4.1 my VAX (mailgate.spotimage.com, 204.6.41.2), is about to receive a second IP address within an other domain (mailgate.spotimage.fr, xx.xx.xx.2) Can I setup MX to listen for mails from both addresses/domains ? do I have to run 2 MX SMTPservers [is it possible]? Pierre BRU System & Network Mgr. E-mail: system@spotimage.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 14:25:36 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Subject: Re: Multi-Domain(ed) MX server Message-ID: <009990A5.5ECB0F60.3@garnet.nist.gov> > my VAX (mailgate.spotimage.com, 204.6.41.2), is about to receive a second > IP address within an other domain (mailgate.spotimage.fr, xx.xx.xx.2) > > Can I setup MX to listen for mails from both addresses/domains ? > do I have to run 2 MX SMTPservers [is it possible]? DEFINE PATH "mailgate.spotimage.com" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "mailgate" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "[204.6.41.2]" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "mailgate.spotimage.fr" LOCAL DEFINE PATH "[xx.xx.xx.2]" LOCAL Be careful, though, of the lingo. A machine can have two separate names (mailgate.spotimage.com and mailgate.spotimage.fr) and the same IP address. This is most likely what's happening (in which case you omit the last line, above). In order for a host to have two IP addresses, you generally have to either have two different network ports (connections), or a very convoluted IP driver. In either case, the TCP/IP layer has to worry about acting as a router, etc, as the _applications_ on that host, such as MX, will generally only be able to understand that the host has a single IP address. These are issues that relate to the underlying IP transport, which you didn't specify. - Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: 8 Nov 95 11:36:00 EST From: "Rich Grace" Subject: mx-i-flqerr Message-ID: Hi, After initial install of mx I get the following error when I try to send to mx%"fmb323a": %MX-I-FLQERR, error accessing MX system queue file %RMS-E-FNF, file not found any ideas? Thanks - Rich Grace ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 14:26:55 EST From: Scott McNeilly Subject: Re: mx-i-flqerr Message-ID: <0099916E.B7E50500.33@fred.bridgew.edu> "Rich Grace" writes: >Hi, > >After initial install of mx I get the following error when I try to send >to mx%"fmb323a": >%MX-I-FLQERR, error accessing MX system queue file >%RMS-E-FNF, file not found > >any ideas? > >Thanks > >- Rich Grace System queue file was not created. Use MCP and the MCP QUEUE CREATE command to create it. You can use HELP QUEUE CREATE in MCP for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 8 Nov 95 09:34:19 GMT From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Subject: MX development? Message-ID: <1995Nov8.093419@oxvaxd> Hi, Is there any MX development work going on at the moment? Dave -- David Hastings | "If liberty means anything at all, Systems Programmer/News Manager | it means the right to tell people Oxford University Computing Services | what they do not want to hear" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | - George Orwell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 08:23:17 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: MX development? Message-ID: <0099913B.EB66152D.12@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) writes: > >Hi, > >Is there any MX development work going on at the moment? > At this exact moment? No. I did have some time a few weeks ago and did a few things. At the moment, I'm swamped with real work. It sounds like MX Local has its own memory leak somewhere, so I hope to investigate that soon. I've also experienced some problems with MX SMTP processes dying with access violations. So, I guess the best thing to say is that I have plans for more MX development, but nothing concrete at the moment. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 1995 15:16:21 GMT From: kmm@cc.colorado.edu Subject: Re: MX LOCAL and MX Router dying - solutions Message-ID: <47nt85$8a@lace.Colorado.EDU> Many thanks to Andy and his sleuthing! .. snip >I hope this helps people. Please let the list know of successes or failures so >it can be monitored. In particular, if anyone has a better idea of what >/PAGE_FILE value to use and/or a patch for OpenVMS 6.2, please let the list >know. .. snip I also did some studies this weekend on an Alpha running 1.5, MX 4.1 On the amount needed to process a list: I watched the "paging file quota" on a LOCAL process doing a list with 2400 local entries. It started at 78000 free, and finished processing the list with 42000 free (since my monitoring process checks every 10 minutes, this last figure could be high by about 3000 blocks). I also watched a similar process die with about 12000 left in the paging file quota. So I have a DCL procedure that monitors this, shuts the local process down if f$getjpi(pid,"PAGFILNCT") gets below 50000. Then another procedure starts up any missing processes every hour. I'd rather have a fix. I'll push DEC on getting the MAILSHR patch for an ALPHA. Thanks to all the pointers, the students are no longer getting from 3-6 copies of all campus mailings! Karen Michels ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:43:28 -0800 From: winterb@emadns.ema.co.orange.ca.us Subject: Sources? Message-ID: <95Nov7.114723pst.39682@ocnet.co.orange.ca.us> I'm trying to recompile the bliss example name_conversion routines. It chokes because I don't have the library files [.common]mx and [.common]fields. I can't find those modules, or any of the source code on the installation kit. I'm installing from the VMS 6.2 freeware CD. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 08:24:36 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Sources? Message-ID: <0099913C.1A648738.17@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> winterb@emadns.ema.co.orange.ca.us writes: > >I'm trying to recompile the bliss example name_conversion routines. It >chokes because I don't have the library files [.common]mx and >[.common]fields. > >I can't find those modules, or any of the source code on the installation kit. >I'm installing from the VMS 6.2 freeware CD. I didn't realize the sources for MX didn't make it to the freeware CD. Sorry about that! You can find them on ftp.wku.edu in [.MX.MX041]. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:53:18 CST From: metze@vmetze.mrl.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: The Detective, Dr. Spam Message-ID: <00999076.F2A9D402.1@vmetze.mrl.uiuc.edu> I also hope that mx will be enhanced to anti-spam ... > > Finally, Dr. Spam, where do victims of SPAM get help. Is counseling > available to relieve the stress, grief and anxiety of the SPAM > experience? Is there a SPAM victims support group on Usenet, or a > mailing list? > > Mark SPAM-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Virginia Metze, not speaking for anyone but herself. + "Don't lock yourself + + metze@vmetze.mrl.uiuc.edu + into open systems" + + "'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in a rather + --Aaron Leonard + + scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to + + + mean,--neither more nor less.'" Lewis Carroll + "The world is run + =======================================================+ by C students." + Putting a computer in front of a child and expecting + Anonymous until + it to teach him is like putting a book under his + I find the quote + pillow, only more expensive. + again! + =============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #173 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 01:02:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:01:47 +0100 From: reisacher@goethe.de Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Message-ID: <00999202.14D31CA0.1@GI011L.GOETHE.DE> Subject: changing from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to UCX V3.3 I will change the IP Protokolls on our VAX-Cluster from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to the commercial Version of DEC UCX V3.3. Which things I must take care of. I use MX V4.1? If the Installation of UCX goes wrong, can I go back to CMU/IP? Any hints are welcome! Georg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Georg Reisacher ___ System and Network Management /___ Goethe-Institut e.V. //___ Helene-Weber-Allee 1 ///___ _ D 80637 Muenchen ////___ |_| G o e t h e - I n s t i t u t ----------------------------- ///// PHONE +49 89-15921-399 \\\\\ ___ ///// FAX +49 89-15921-435 \\\\\___///// \\\\\_///// http://www.goethe.de reisacher@goethe.de \\\\ //// ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 08:38:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 08:33:27 CST From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00999206.819205A0.12@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Forwarding digest messages. Folks ... I *think* I'm seeing some unexpected behavior. Please comment on this. The situation is this: I have created two lists, a real-time one (chemlab-l) and a digest (chemlab-l-digest). The digest works fine! No problems, whatsoever. However, I thought that I'd get clever and forward the digest messages to the real-time list just in case someone mistakenly posts to the digest. And I've checked (using MAILUAF), the forward command is ... MAILUAF SHO CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST User CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST forwarding address is MX%"chemlab-l@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu" Even so, messages are showing up on the digest .. that is, I've seen more than one message where the To: and From: is chemlab-l-digest, rather than chemlab-l as I would expect. Am I misinterpreting the header? TIA //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:11:19 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:05:25 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099920A.F88391CF.2@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Forwarding digest messages. Dave Miller writes: > >However, I thought that I'd get clever and forward the digest messages >to the real-time list just in case someone mistakenly posts to the >digest. And I've checked (using MAILUAF), the forward command is ... > >MAILUAF SHO CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST >User CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST forwarding address is > MX%"chemlab-l@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu" > That won't work, because the MX Router determines that it's a list address before your VMS Mail FORWARD comes into play. There's no real way to do what you want to do (unless my brain is still thawing this morning and I've forgotten it). >Even so, messages are showing up on the digest .. that is, I've seen >more than one message where the To: and From: is chemlab-l-digest, >rather than chemlab-l as I would expect. > The -Digest list should be set to (S:RWED,O:RWED,G:D,W:E) (no write access for GROUP and WORLD). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:15:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:08:40 +0100 From: "GWDGV1::MOELLER" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: changing from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to UCX V3.3 Georg asks: > I will change the IP Protokolls on our VAX-Cluster from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to > the commercial Version of DEC UCX V3.3. Which things I must take care of. I > use MX V4.1? If the Installation of UCX goes wrong, can I go back to > CMU/IP? As far as MX is concerned, maybe you just need NETLIB_STARTUP changed to have NETLIB_UCX_SHR at the 2 places where it formerly had NETLIB_CMU_SHR (if you don't have NETLIB_DIR:NETLIB_UCX_SHR.EXE yet, re-install NETLIB). Next re-start MX ... In fact, I once did a CMU => UCX "upgrade" without rebooting. Provided the old TCP/IP package can be shut down completely (nominally that's possible for either one), you can rather safely start up the other one "on the fly". The only interference that I have experienced won't affect MX: both packages have .CLD files that define the FTP and TELNET verbs. If you preserve the version of SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES.EXE prior to installing UCX, you can completely 'switch back' to CMU without re-installing anything, by just reverting to the old DCLTABLES. Caveat: I never felt a compelling reason to install any version of CMU V6.6, since the one really annoying problem (NAMRES hangs) seems to have no real solution up to the present day. I just _doubt_ that much else has changed since ... Lastly a general hint for UCX newcomers: From the view of functionality, today's UCX is not bad (as people long familiar with the competing packages tend to believe, because UCX V1 was indeed ridiculous by their standards). But ... do make sure that you're at the latest ECO level (as far as I've heard, V3.3 is at ECO 4 now; I'm still running V3.2 ECO 6, as well as V2.0E here). Do not install any UCX version without asking DEC for ECOs first - unadorned UCX versions tend to remain "current" for only a few days after their release, while ECOs tend to really improve the stability :-) Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 2011516 or -510, moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany PSI%(0262)45050859008::MOELLER Disclaimer: No claim intended! | moeller@decus.decus.de w.moeller@ieee.org ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 10:50:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: dyson@blanc.physics.uiowa.edu (Rick Dyson) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: changing from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to UCX V3.3 Message-ID: <1995Nov9.093506@blanc.physics.uiowa.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:35:06 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00999202.14D31CA0.1@GI011L.GOETHE.DE>, reisacher@goethe.de writes: > I will change the IP Protokolls on our VAX-Cluster from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to > the commercial Version of DEC UCX V3.3. Which things I must take care of. I > use MX V4.1? If the Installation of UCX goes wrong, can I go back to > CMU/IP? > Any hints are welcome! > > Georg I just did this on a VAX Cluster running OpenVMS v5.5-2 last week and it went smoothly. I did not try to change the MX Config manually, though maybe this group can tell us how this can be done. I took the simple (IMHO) approach and just re-installed MX v4.1 from the install kit. It even auto detected UCX (I assume since it did not ask me what TCP/IP stack I wanted to use). There was one problem though in that the SMTP Server did not get started. I had to hand edit the entry into the "info.dat" file in the MX_Dir area... I even installed MX twice. I was never asked where I wanted MX SMTP Server to run... Other than that, it was a piece of cake. :) Regards, rick -- Richard L. Dyson INTERNET: Dyson@IowaSP.Physics.UIowa.EDU When I play with my cat, who knows if I am not more of a pastime to her than she is to me? -- Montaigne ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:08:24 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:07:26 CST From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099921C.043152D7.39@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: RE: Forwarding digest messages. Hunter replies to my queries .. > >MAILUAF SHO CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST > >User CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST forwarding address is > > MX%"chemlab-l@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu" > > > That won't work, because the MX Router determines that it's a list > address before your VMS Mail FORWARD comes into play. There's no real > way to do what you want to do (unless my brain is still thawing this > morning and I've forgotten it). Oh, yes of course .. SMTP_SERVER to ROUTER to MLF to ROUTER to SMTP. Right? > > The -Digest list should be set to (S:RWED,O:RWED,G:D,W:E) (no write > access for GROUP and WORLD). And that will reject the message? Is there a way tt specify the rejection message .. so I can tell to poster to use CHEMLAB-L instead? dave. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 12:41:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: "Eric Rountree" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:36:13 AST Subject: Out of touch Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <21080903EDB@SBACOOP.SBA.DAL.CA> Hi. It's been a while since I've been on this list, but I'd like to get back up to speed. So: Can you tell me what the current version of MX is and where I can get it? Thanks Eric +----------------------------------------------------------+ Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Eric R. Rountree, System Manager, School of Business Site | Distributed Sites Unit, Academic Computing Services | Dalhousie University | | 6152 Coburg Road, Room 315 | Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, B3H 1Z5 | | (902)494-1807 | | EMail: Eric.Rountree@Dal.CA | WWW: HTTP://WWW.Dal.CA/~DistSite/Staff/Eric.HTML +----------------------------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 13:41:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 14:32:34 EST From: "Good morning. All day." Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: sysmgr@bigvax.alfred.edu Message-ID: <00999238.AC2D3C80.41@bigvax.alfred.edu> Subject: Queue corruption that leads to a message being delivered to the wrong address. Greetings. Last week one of my users received a mail message that was supposed to go to one of my other users. Has anyone else seen this, and is there a fix available? (So MX has a few problems. The overall quality is excellent given the price!) I've had frequent problems with my MX queue getting corrupted. This usually manifests itself by local and smtp agents dying with an error status of "%RMS-E-FNF, file not found." Usually just restarting local and smtp agents seems sufficient, although about once a month I had to create a new queue file. When I got a report of a message being delivered to the wrong destination, I started reading source code and studying the internals of the queue files. I threw together a messy fortran program to format records and check for the specific corruption I've been seeing. (Anybody want a copy? I'm not proud of it. You're probably better off without it. It doesn't use the same locks that MX uses to coordinate access, so it's best to run it with MX shut down. Also, it does not use the bliss require files, so is fairly stuck with the version 4.1 of MX.) The nature of the corruption tends to be an entry for Local or Smtp does not get marked finished but the Router entry for that message does. Eventually the delivery agent tries to process that entry again. Since the .MSG_TEXT, .HDR_INFO, and .SRC_INFO files went away when the router record was purged, the agent gets an %RMS-E-FNF error. If the old Router entry happens to contain a new Router entry, that new message gets delivered to the old user. It may also get delivered to the correct user, if the router record (now marked finished) doesn't get purged very soon. I think the problem is load related. We processes many thousand messages a day. Two days ago I started with a clean queue and turned on all the debugging I could find. When I found a bad queue entry, I looked in the trace files to see when it was processed. The trace files listed no error, and the message was in fact delivered to where it should have been. But the log file for the local agent had an error: 8-NOV-1995 16:46:41.00: MX Local#1 (pid 20C009A9) starting 8-NOV-1995 17:00:47.10: LOCAL FLQ_UPDATE error=00000E0A That status is %SYSTEM-E-DEADLOCK, deadlock detected. My cluster consists of 5 VAX 6410 and an 8530 each running a Router, Local, Smtp, Smtp_server and MLF process. There is a VAX 3100 running Smtp_server and some satellites (including one alpha) that do not run any agent processes. Software is MX 4.1, Multinet 3.4B and VMS 6.1. I have not installed the famous "callable mail memory leak" patch from digital, as my automated procedures for restarting the agents frequently seemed to be working well when the patch came out. I belive that I can work around this by defining MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to be a couple of hours. This might allow entries related to an orphaned entry to stick around until the bad entry has been processed again. I haven't tested this yet. Is there a better fix? Ideally the agents should recover more gracefully from a deadlock, and do some sanity checking to make sure related queue entries really are related. Jim Walker VAX System & Network manager, Alfred University Computer Center, Alfred, NY 14802-1298 USA +1-607-871-2222, Using VMS V6.1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 15:33:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 14:32:20 MST From: Mark Tarka Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00999238.A40BF000.21@earth.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: Out of touch Out of touch What? What? >From: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" 9-NOV-1995 14:11:33.18 >To: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" >CC: >Subj: Out of touch What's happening? Why am I seeing double (and, yes officer, I cannot walk a straight line...but I think that's because of the earthquake)? Two or so days ago I posted a smart-alec reply to Dr. Spam, and saw it in my mailbox twice. Now this ("Out of touch") for a second time. Any explanation...or is this just ordinary spam prepared in a new and unusual fashion :-) And what _is_ SPAM, anyway. Is there a popular definition available? Mark ichjsmt@earth.oscs.montana.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 17:03:20 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 17:02:41 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <0099924D.A53E7307.586@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #174 MX-List Digest Thu, 9 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 174 Today's Topics: changing from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to UCX V3.3 (3 msgs) Forwarding digest messages. (3 msgs) Out of touch Out of touch Out of touch What? What? Queue corruption that leads to a message being delivered to the wrong Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:01:47 +0100 From: reisacher@goethe.de Subject: changing from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to UCX V3.3 Message-ID: <00999202.14D31CA0.1@GI011L.GOETHE.DE> I will change the IP Protokolls on our VAX-Cluster from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to the commercial Version of DEC UCX V3.3. Which things I must take care of. I use MX V4.1? If the Installation of UCX goes wrong, can I go back to CMU/IP? Any hints are welcome! Georg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Georg Reisacher ___ System and Network Management /___ Goethe-Institut e.V. //___ Helene-Weber-Allee 1 ///___ _ D 80637 Muenchen ////___ |_| G o e t h e - I n s t i t u t ----------------------------- ///// PHONE +49 89-15921-399 \\\\\ ___ ///// FAX +49 89-15921-435 \\\\\___///// \\\\\_///// http://www.goethe.de reisacher@goethe.de \\\\ //// ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:08:40 +0100 From: "GWDGV1::MOELLER" Subject: Re: changing from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to UCX V3.3 Message-ID: Georg asks: > I will change the IP Protokolls on our VAX-Cluster from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to > the commercial Version of DEC UCX V3.3. Which things I must take care of. I > use MX V4.1? If the Installation of UCX goes wrong, can I go back to > CMU/IP? As far as MX is concerned, maybe you just need NETLIB_STARTUP changed to have NETLIB_UCX_SHR at the 2 places where it formerly had NETLIB_CMU_SHR (if you don't have NETLIB_DIR:NETLIB_UCX_SHR.EXE yet, re-install NETLIB). Next re-start MX ... In fact, I once did a CMU => UCX "upgrade" without rebooting. Provided the old TCP/IP package can be shut down completely (nominally that's possible for either one), you can rather safely start up the other one "on the fly". The only interference that I have experienced won't affect MX: both packages have .CLD files that define the FTP and TELNET verbs. If you preserve the version of SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES.EXE prior to installing UCX, you can completely 'switch back' to CMU without re-installing anything, by just reverting to the old DCLTABLES. Caveat: I never felt a compelling reason to install any version of CMU V6.6, since the one really annoying problem (NAMRES hangs) seems to have no real solution up to the present day. I just _doubt_ that much else has changed since ... Lastly a general hint for UCX newcomers: From the view of functionality, today's UCX is not bad (as people long familiar with the competing packages tend to believe, because UCX V1 was indeed ridiculous by their standards). But ... do make sure that you're at the latest ECO level (as far as I've heard, V3.3 is at ECO 4 now; I'm still running V3.2 ECO 6, as well as V2.0E here). Do not install any UCX version without asking DEC for ECOs first - unadorned UCX versions tend to remain "current" for only a few days after their release, while ECOs tend to really improve the stability :-) Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 2011516 or -510, moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany PSI%(0262)45050859008::MOELLER Disclaimer: No claim intended! | moeller@decus.decus.de w.moeller@ieee.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:35:06 GMT From: dyson@blanc.physics.uiowa.edu (Rick Dyson) Subject: Re: changing from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to UCX V3.3 Message-ID: <1995Nov9.093506@blanc.physics.uiowa.edu> In article <00999202.14D31CA0.1@GI011L.GOETHE.DE>, reisacher@goethe.de writes: > I will change the IP Protokolls on our VAX-Cluster from CMU/IP V6.6-5A to > the commercial Version of DEC UCX V3.3. Which things I must take care of. I > use MX V4.1? If the Installation of UCX goes wrong, can I go back to > CMU/IP? > Any hints are welcome! > > Georg I just did this on a VAX Cluster running OpenVMS v5.5-2 last week and it went smoothly. I did not try to change the MX Config manually, though maybe this group can tell us how this can be done. I took the simple (IMHO) approach and just re-installed MX v4.1 from the install kit. It even auto detected UCX (I assume since it did not ask me what TCP/IP stack I wanted to use). There was one problem though in that the SMTP Server did not get started. I had to hand edit the entry into the "info.dat" file in the MX_Dir area... I even installed MX twice. I was never asked where I wanted MX SMTP Server to run... Other than that, it was a piece of cake. :) Regards, rick -- Richard L. Dyson INTERNET: Dyson@IowaSP.Physics.UIowa.EDU When I play with my cat, who knows if I am not more of a pastime to her than she is to me? -- Montaigne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 08:33:27 CST From: Dave Miller Subject: Forwarding digest messages. Message-ID: <00999206.819205A0.12@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Folks ... I *think* I'm seeing some unexpected behavior. Please comment on this. The situation is this: I have created two lists, a real-time one (chemlab-l) and a digest (chemlab-l-digest). The digest works fine! No problems, whatsoever. However, I thought that I'd get clever and forward the digest messages to the real-time list just in case someone mistakenly posts to the digest. And I've checked (using MAILUAF), the forward command is ... MAILUAF SHO CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST User CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST forwarding address is MX%"chemlab-l@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu" Even so, messages are showing up on the digest .. that is, I've seen more than one message where the To: and From: is chemlab-l-digest, rather than chemlab-l as I would expect. Am I misinterpreting the header? TIA //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:05:25 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Forwarding digest messages. Message-ID: <0099920A.F88391CF.2@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Dave Miller writes: > >However, I thought that I'd get clever and forward the digest messages >to the real-time list just in case someone mistakenly posts to the >digest. And I've checked (using MAILUAF), the forward command is ... > >MAILUAF SHO CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST >User CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST forwarding address is > MX%"chemlab-l@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu" > That won't work, because the MX Router determines that it's a list address before your VMS Mail FORWARD comes into play. There's no real way to do what you want to do (unless my brain is still thawing this morning and I've forgotten it). >Even so, messages are showing up on the digest .. that is, I've seen >more than one message where the To: and From: is chemlab-l-digest, >rather than chemlab-l as I would expect. > The -Digest list should be set to (S:RWED,O:RWED,G:D,W:E) (no write access for GROUP and WORLD). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:07:26 CST From: Dave Miller Subject: Re: Forwarding digest messages. Message-ID: <0099921C.043152D7.39@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Hunter replies to my queries .. > >MAILUAF SHO CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST > >User CHEMLAB-L-DIGEST forwarding address is > > MX%"chemlab-l@beaver.bemidji.msus.edu" > > > That won't work, because the MX Router determines that it's a list > address before your VMS Mail FORWARD comes into play. There's no real > way to do what you want to do (unless my brain is still thawing this > morning and I've forgotten it). Oh, yes of course .. SMTP_SERVER to ROUTER to MLF to ROUTER to SMTP. Right? > > The -Digest list should be set to (S:RWED,O:RWED,G:D,W:E) (no write > access for GROUP and WORLD). And that will reject the message? Is there a way tt specify the rejection message .. so I can tell to poster to use CHEMLAB-L instead? dave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:36:13 AST From: "Eric Rountree" Subject: Out of touch Message-ID: <21080903EDB@SBACOOP.SBA.DAL.CA> Hi. It's been a while since I've been on this list, but I'd like to get back up to speed. So: Can you tell me what the current version of MX is and where I can get it? Thanks Eric +----------------------------------------------------------+ Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Eric R. Rountree, System Manager, School of Business Site | Distributed Sites Unit, Academic Computing Services | Dalhousie University | | 6152 Coburg Road, Room 315 | Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, B3H 1Z5 | | (902)494-1807 | | EMail: Eric.Rountree@Dal.CA | WWW: HTTP://WWW.Dal.CA/~DistSite/Staff/Eric.HTML +----------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 14:32:20 MST From: Mark Tarka Subject: Out of touch Out of touch What? What? Message-ID: <00999238.A40BF000.21@earth.oscs.montana.edu> >From: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU" 9-NOV-1995 14:11:33.18 >To: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" >CC: >Subj: Out of touch What's happening? Why am I seeing double (and, yes officer, I cannot walk a straight line...but I think that's because of the earthquake)? Two or so days ago I posted a smart-alec reply to Dr. Spam, and saw it in my mailbox twice. Now this ("Out of touch") for a second time. Any explanation...or is this just ordinary spam prepared in a new and unusual fashion :-) And what _is_ SPAM, anyway. Is there a popular definition available? Mark ichjsmt@earth.oscs.montana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 14:32:34 EST From: "Good morning. All day." Subject: Queue corruption that leads to a message being delivered to the wrong Message-ID: <00999238.AC2D3C80.41@bigvax.alfred.edu> Greetings. Last week one of my users received a mail message that was supposed to go to one of my other users. Has anyone else seen this, and is there a fix available? (So MX has a few problems. The overall quality is excellent given the price!) I've had frequent problems with my MX queue getting corrupted. This usually manifests itself by local and smtp agents dying with an error status of "%RMS-E-FNF, file not found." Usually just restarting local and smtp agents seems sufficient, although about once a month I had to create a new queue file. When I got a report of a message being delivered to the wrong destination, I started reading source code and studying the internals of the queue files. I threw together a messy fortran program to format records and check for the specific corruption I've been seeing. (Anybody want a copy? I'm not proud of it. You're probably better off without it. It doesn't use the same locks that MX uses to coordinate access, so it's best to run it with MX shut down. Also, it does not use the bliss require files, so is fairly stuck with the version 4.1 of MX.) The nature of the corruption tends to be an entry for Local or Smtp does not get marked finished but the Router entry for that message does. Eventually the delivery agent tries to process that entry again. Since the .MSG_TEXT, .HDR_INFO, and .SRC_INFO files went away when the router record was purged, the agent gets an %RMS-E-FNF error. If the old Router entry happens to contain a new Router entry, that new message gets delivered to the old user. It may also get delivered to the correct user, if the router record (now marked finished) doesn't get purged very soon. I think the problem is load related. We processes many thousand messages a day. Two days ago I started with a clean queue and turned on all the debugging I could find. When I found a bad queue entry, I looked in the trace files to see when it was processed. The trace files listed no error, and the message was in fact delivered to where it should have been. But the log file for the local agent had an error: 8-NOV-1995 16:46:41.00: MX Local#1 (pid 20C009A9) starting 8-NOV-1995 17:00:47.10: LOCAL FLQ_UPDATE error=00000E0A That status is %SYSTEM-E-DEADLOCK, deadlock detected. My cluster consists of 5 VAX 6410 and an 8530 each running a Router, Local, Smtp, Smtp_server and MLF process. There is a VAX 3100 running Smtp_server and some satellites (including one alpha) that do not run any agent processes. Software is MX 4.1, Multinet 3.4B and VMS 6.1. I have not installed the famous "callable mail memory leak" patch from digital, as my automated procedures for restarting the agents frequently seemed to be working well when the patch came out. I belive that I can work around this by defining MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to be a couple of hours. This might allow entries related to an orphaned entry to stick around until the bad entry has been processed again. I haven't tested this yet. Is there a better fix? Ideally the agents should recover more gracefully from a deadlock, and do some sanity checking to make sure related queue entries really are related. Jim Walker VAX System & Network manager, Alfred University Computer Center, Alfred, NY 14802-1298 USA +1-607-871-2222, Using VMS V6.1 ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #174 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 21:04:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 21:03:17 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099926F.41969001.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Out of touch Out of touch What? What? Mark Tarka writes: > >What's happening? Why am I seeing double (and, yes officer, I >cannot walk a straight line...but I think that's because of the >earthquake)? > >Two or so days ago I posted a smart-alec reply to Dr. Spam, and saw >it in my mailbox twice. Now this ("Out of touch") for a second time. > >Any explanation...or is this just ordinary spam prepared in a new >and unusual fashion :-) > Yep, WKU has been having some Internet problems that's causing MX SMTP processes to die. I'm trying to figure out what's causing that. When new processes come along to finish the delivery to a list, some addresses are still on the list and get two copies of the messages. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:12:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:27:48 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: ichjsmt@earth.oscs.montana.edu Message-ID: <009992D7.43B3A140.30@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Out of touch Out of touch What? What? It is not only the MX-List that is demonstrating this behavior. All lists served by WKU.EDU seem to be having this problem. Annoying, isn't it? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:56:55 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 06:56:09 -0800 From: "Barry.Winter" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Problem configuring DECNET_SMTP Message-ID: <95Nov10.100006pst.39681@ocnet.co.orange.ca.us> I'm trying to install MX on my main cluster and of couse link it to MX this system. I'm trying to use DECNET_SMTP because the cluster isn't running TCP/IP and I only have a DECNET link to this system anyway. I can't get any message to route between the nodes. Any ideas of what is wrong? The mcp show queue command gives the following output Entry: 7, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 4 bytes Created: 10-NOV-1995 08:55:18.46, expires 10-DEC-1995 08:55:18.46 Last modified 10-NOV-1995 09:52:21.73 DECNET-SMTP entry #5, status: READY, size: 4 bytes, waiting for retry until 10-NOV-1995 09:57:22.96 Created: 10-NOV-1995 09:37:11.60, expires 10-DEC-1995 08:55:18.46 Last modified 10-NOV-1995 09:52:22.97 Recipient #1: , Route=EMADNS Error count=4 Last error: %MX-E-PROTOERR, protocol error? %MCP-I-QENTRIES, total matching entries: 1 The debug file is SYSTEM3:[MX.DNSMTP]MX_DNSMTP_LOG.LOG;29 10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.47 Processing queue entry number 5 on node EMA6 10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 Recipient: , route=EMADNS 10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 SMTP_SEND: connecting to EMADNS::"DECSMTP=" 10-NOV-1995 09:47:20.96 SMTP_SEND: Connected 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.07 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.17 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=0C278042 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.17 Recipient status=0C27804A for 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.49 1 rcpts need retry, next try 10-NOV-1995 09:52:21.49 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.53 *** End of processing pass *** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:39:33 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <199511101839.NAA07238@redstone.interpath.net> From: "Rich Hill" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU, barbe@clamart.est.slb.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:35:07 -0500 Subject: MAILSHR Patch for VAXMAIL05_061 Here are the MAILSHR_PATCH addresses for VAXMAIL05_061 patch kit for V5.5, V5.5-1, V5.5-2, and V5.5-2H4. Just insert these lines into Claude and Hunter's mailshr_patch_for_at_vax_61.com file. ! ! For the VAXMAIL05_061 patch kit (MAILSHR X-5A2) for V5.5, V5.5-1, ! V5.5-2, and V5.5-2H4, it looks like MAIL$$ADD_ADDR is at 00004B22 ! and ADD_ADDR is 00004A33. ! DEF MAIL$$ADD_ADDR 00004B22 ADD_ADDR 00004A33 EXI Rich Hill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rich Hill S I M Rich.Hill@sim.org Systems Engineer b y EasyLink: 62923838 SIM USA, Inc. P r a y e r Phone: 1-704-587-1462 Charlotte, NC since 1893 FAX: 1-704-587-1518 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [SC] Smiley captioned for the humor impaired. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:40:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:35:28 CST From: Norma Riddle Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: riddle@VENUS.TWU.EDU Message-ID: <0099930A.A0735780.5035@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Subject: Number of processes and server-threads? Hello, all... I am interested in knowing how some sites with a high volume of mail determine the optimum number of MX Router, Local and SMTP processes, and the number of SMTP_Server threads to use. It seems that I am constantly adjusting-- Too few SMTP server threads and people sending mail to us get timed out. Too many and we get more mail than we can deliver, so have to start more Router and/or Local processes. I would much appreciate knowing what combination of Routers, Locals, etc., some of you are using, and at what base priority you run each of them. Running MX4.1, Vax 6330, VMS 6.0 Thanks in advance, Norma Riddle Programmer/Analyst III Academic Computing Texas Woman's University Denton, TX 76204 (817) 898-3288 riddle@twu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:03:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:02:02 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00999316.B8249B67.347@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #175 MX-List Digest Fri, 10 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 175 Today's Topics: MAILSHR Patch for VAXMAIL05_061 Number of processes and server-threads? Out of touch Out of touch What? What? (2 msgs) Problem configuring DECNET_SMTP Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:35:07 -0500 From: "Rich Hill" Subject: MAILSHR Patch for VAXMAIL05_061 Message-ID: <199511101839.NAA07238@redstone.interpath.net> Here are the MAILSHR_PATCH addresses for VAXMAIL05_061 patch kit for V5.5, V5.5-1, V5.5-2, and V5.5-2H4. Just insert these lines into Claude and Hunter's mailshr_patch_for_at_vax_61.com file. ! ! For the VAXMAIL05_061 patch kit (MAILSHR X-5A2) for V5.5, V5.5-1, ! V5.5-2, and V5.5-2H4, it looks like MAIL$$ADD_ADDR is at 00004B22 ! and ADD_ADDR is 00004A33. ! DEF MAIL$$ADD_ADDR 00004B22 ADD_ADDR 00004A33 EXI Rich Hill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rich Hill S I M Rich.Hill@sim.org Systems Engineer b y EasyLink: 62923838 SIM USA, Inc. P r a y e r Phone: 1-704-587-1462 Charlotte, NC since 1893 FAX: 1-704-587-1518 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [SC] Smiley captioned for the humor impaired. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:35:28 CST From: Norma Riddle Subject: Number of processes and server-threads? Message-ID: <0099930A.A0735780.5035@VENUS.TWU.EDU> Hello, all... I am interested in knowing how some sites with a high volume of mail determine the optimum number of MX Router, Local and SMTP processes, and the number of SMTP_Server threads to use. It seems that I am constantly adjusting-- Too few SMTP server threads and people sending mail to us get timed out. Too many and we get more mail than we can deliver, so have to start more Router and/or Local processes. I would much appreciate knowing what combination of Routers, Locals, etc., some of you are using, and at what base priority you run each of them. Running MX4.1, Vax 6330, VMS 6.0 Thanks in advance, Norma Riddle Programmer/Analyst III Academic Computing Texas Woman's University Denton, TX 76204 (817) 898-3288 riddle@twu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 21:03:17 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Out of touch Out of touch What? What? Message-ID: <0099926F.41969001.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Mark Tarka writes: > >What's happening? Why am I seeing double (and, yes officer, I >cannot walk a straight line...but I think that's because of the >earthquake)? > >Two or so days ago I posted a smart-alec reply to Dr. Spam, and saw >it in my mailbox twice. Now this ("Out of touch") for a second time. > >Any explanation...or is this just ordinary spam prepared in a new >and unusual fashion :-) > Yep, WKU has been having some Internet problems that's causing MX SMTP processes to die. I'm trying to figure out what's causing that. When new processes come along to finish the delivery to a list, some addresses are still on the list and get two copies of the messages. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:27:48 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Re: Out of touch Out of touch What? What? Message-ID: <009992D7.43B3A140.30@swdev.si.com> It is not only the MX-List that is demonstrating this behavior. All lists served by WKU.EDU seem to be having this problem. Annoying, isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 06:56:09 -0800 From: "Barry.Winter" Subject: Problem configuring DECNET_SMTP Message-ID: <95Nov10.100006pst.39681@ocnet.co.orange.ca.us> I'm trying to install MX on my main cluster and of couse link it to MX this system. I'm trying to use DECNET_SMTP because the cluster isn't running TCP/IP and I only have a DECNET link to this system anyway. I can't get any message to route between the nodes. Any ideas of what is wrong? The mcp show queue command gives the following output Entry: 7, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 4 bytes Created: 10-NOV-1995 08:55:18.46, expires 10-DEC-1995 08:55:18.46 Last modified 10-NOV-1995 09:52:21.73 DECNET-SMTP entry #5, status: READY, size: 4 bytes, waiting for retry until 10-NOV-1995 09:57:22.96 Created: 10-NOV-1995 09:37:11.60, expires 10-DEC-1995 08:55:18.46 Last modified 10-NOV-1995 09:52:22.97 Recipient #1: , Route=EMADNS Error count=4 Last error: %MX-E-PROTOERR, protocol error? %MCP-I-QENTRIES, total matching entries: 1 The debug file is SYSTEM3:[MX.DNSMTP]MX_DNSMTP_LOG.LOG;29 10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.47 Processing queue entry number 5 on node EMA6 10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 Recipient: , route=EMADNS 10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 SMTP_SEND: connecting to EMADNS::"DECSMTP=" 10-NOV-1995 09:47:20.96 SMTP_SEND: Connected 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.07 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.17 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=0C278042 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.17 Recipient status=0C27804A for 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.49 1 rcpts need retry, next try 10-NOV-1995 09:52:21.49 10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.53 *** End of processing pass *** ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #175 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 04:14:12 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:05:30 +0900 To: yoshio@osak.ac.jp From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp, abd03395@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, harry@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pll.my, tov04894@niftyserv.or.jp, rey02834@niftyserv.or.jp, jui@pll.my, hree@pll.my, kari@osaka.ac.jp, are04355@niftyserv.or.jp, yxr03785@niftyserv.or.jp, anb02395@niftyserv.or.jp, tfg@sinnica.edu.tw, veb@aoone.net.au, yre@dialicks.co.nz, alan@nitec.ac.jp, naga@osak.ac.jp, set@unee.edu (Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors, Japan Chapter) Subject: AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from) + FREE 1 yr. subscription (choose from 295+ titles) -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and email it back to the company. To make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <----- *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via internet email to: FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by Yoshio Koseki. 111195-l Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* Catalogue Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. 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If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Yoshio Koseki ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:30:49 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Problem configuring DECNET_SMTP Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:12:32 GMT Message-ID: <4833k0$alq@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <95Nov10.100006pst.39681@ocnet.co.orange.ca.us>, "Barry.Winter" writes: =I'm trying to install MX on my main cluster and of couse link it to =MX this system. I'm trying to use DECNET_SMTP because the cluster =isn't running TCP/IP and I only have a DECNET link to this system anyway. = =I can't get any message to route between the nodes. Any ideas of what is =wrong? = = =10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.47 Processing queue entry number 5 on node EMA6 =10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 Recipient: , =route=EMADNS =10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 SMTP_SEND: connecting to EMADNS::"DECSMTP=" =10-NOV-1995 09:47:20.96 SMTP_SEND: Connected =10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.07 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: What's happened is you've successfully connected to the DECSMTP object on node EMADNS, but that object sent a null record rather than something along the lines of: 220 EMADNS MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:08:56 PST which is what your machine was looking for. Check to make sure that the DECSMTP object is defined properly on EMADNS. It should be something like: Object = DECSMTP Number = 254 File id = MX_EXE:DNSMTP_SERVER.EXE User id = DNSMTP Password = some_password Proxy access = none -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:07:34 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 07:37:36 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999523.5DF843FF.22@uwwvax.uww.edu> Subject: RE: Number of processes and server-threads? => I am interested in knowing how some sites with a high volume of mail => determine the optimum number of MX Router, Local and SMTP processes, => and the number of SMTP_Server threads to use. => => It seems that I am constantly adjusting-- Too few SMTP server threads => and people sending mail to us get timed out. Too many and we get more => mail than we can deliver, so have to start more Router and/or Local => processes. => => I would much appreciate knowing what combination of Routers, Locals, etc., => some of you are using, and at what base priority you run each of them. => => Running MX4.1, Vax 6330, VMS 6.0 => => Thanks in advance, => => Norma Riddle => Programmer/Analyst III => Academic Computing => Texas Woman's University => Denton, TX 76204 => (817) 898-3288 => riddle@twu.edu We run 2 router, 7 local, 9 SMTP and 16 threads and have not altered priorities. For us the 16 threads is critical since we have lots of EURODA-NUPOP users. Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:09:14 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Number of processes and server-threads? Date: 13 Nov 1995 06:37:12 GMT Message-ID: <486p2o$4j8@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0099930A.A0735780.5035@VENUS.TWU.EDU>, Norma Riddle writes: =Hello, all... = =I am interested in knowing how some sites with a high volume of mail =determine the optimum number of MX Router, Local and SMTP processes, =and the number of SMTP_Server threads to use. = =It seems that I am constantly adjusting-- Too few SMTP server threads =and people sending mail to us get timed out. Too many and we get more =mail than we can deliver, so have to start more Router and/or Local =processes. So what's the problem? If you want to reliably deliver mail, increase the server threads until you stop having time-outs, and increase the number of other agent processes until you no longer have big backlogs. What is it about that that's too complicated for you to figure out on your own? SHEESH! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:32:42 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:16:27 EST From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu Message-ID: <00999563.779FE980.50@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: A quick question Does MX 4.1 count the number of mail messages it processes over a period of time? Is there any way I can find out the number of messages processed by MX per day? Thanks for any tip. Kamrul Ahsan York College/CUNY New York ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:42:59 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:43:22 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999534.EF96B600.1@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Number of processes and server-threads? Norma Riddle (riddle@twu.edu) writes: >I am interested in knowing how some sites with a high volume of mail >determine the optimum number of MX Router, Local and SMTP processes, >and the number of SMTP_Server threads to use. In a 35 node cluster, I run 35 SMTP Server agents (one on each system), four SMTP agents, two Router agents, and two Local agents. This seems to handle our traffic of about 500 to 1,000 messages per day. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:46:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:58:08 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00999536.FF61C320.7@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from) + FREE 1 yr. subscription (choose from 295+ titles) Here's that SPAM again. But wait, there at the bottom of the message is: Message-ID: This is: $ multinet nslookup 204.183.126.181 Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: krazyke.escape.com Address: 204.183.126.181 Further: $ whois escape.com Kazan Corporation (ESCAPE-DOM) ESCAPE.COM Kazan Corporation (ESCAPE-HST) ESCAPE.COM 198.6.71.10 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. $ whois escape-dom Kazan Corporation (ESCAPE-DOM) 16 East 55th Street, Fifth Floor New York City, NY 10022 Domain Name: ESCAPE.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Kazan, Roman (RK42) roman@ESCAPE.COM 212-888-8780 Record last updated on 07-Mar-95. Record created on 22-Feb-94. Domain servers in listed order: ESCAPE.COM 198.6.71.10 FREE.ESCAPE.COM 198.6.71.13 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. Now we have someone to chase. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:46:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:39:38 EST From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999545.2D974220.52@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Number of processes and server-threads? Norma Riddle writes: >Hello, all... > >I am interested in knowing how some sites with a high volume of mail >determine the optimum number of MX Router, Local and SMTP processes, >and the number of SMTP_Server threads to use. > >It seems that I am constantly adjusting-- Too few SMTP server threads >and people sending mail to us get timed out. Too many and we get more >mail than we can deliver, so have to start more Router and/or Local >processes. > >I would much appreciate knowing what combination of Routers, Locals, etc., >some of you are using, and at what base priority you run each of them. > >Running MX4.1, Vax 6330, VMS 6.0 > >Thanks in advance, I would be very interested, too. The number of threads and processes here varies with the computer and its usage. On one lightly used machine, the defaults are just fine - 4 SMTP server threads, one of everything else running at a base priority of 4. On other machines I have up to 10 SMTP Server threads, and 3 SMTP processes. I make the adjustments based on frequent monitoring of the queues and processes through MCP. If the queues for outgoing mail build up, then I'll increase the number of SMTP processes. When the queues stop building up, then I stop increasing the number of processes. Trial and errror. Conjecture and refutation. There must be a more systematic approach to performance management for MX. So if some one has worked on a solution to this problem, Norma is not the only one who would be glad to hear of it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:48:25 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:02:35 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009993DF.F60D81C7.831@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #176 MX-List Digest Sat, 11 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 176 Today's Topics: AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Problem configuring DECNET_SMTP Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:05:30 +0900 From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, Subject: AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Message-ID: -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and email it back to the company. To make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <----- *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via internet email to: FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by Yoshio Koseki. 111195-l Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* Catalogue Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. 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It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Yoshio Koseki ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:12:32 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Problem configuring DECNET_SMTP Message-ID: <4833k0$alq@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <95Nov10.100006pst.39681@ocnet.co.orange.ca.us>, "Barry.Winter" writes: =I'm trying to install MX on my main cluster and of couse link it to =MX this system. I'm trying to use DECNET_SMTP because the cluster =isn't running TCP/IP and I only have a DECNET link to this system anyway. = =I can't get any message to route between the nodes. Any ideas of what is =wrong? = = =10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.47 Processing queue entry number 5 on node EMA6 =10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 Recipient: , =route=EMADNS =10-NOV-1995 09:47:17.70 SMTP_SEND: connecting to EMADNS::"DECSMTP=" =10-NOV-1995 09:47:20.96 SMTP_SEND: Connected =10-NOV-1995 09:47:21.07 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: What's happened is you've successfully connected to the DECSMTP object on node EMADNS, but that object sent a null record rather than something along the lines of: 220 EMADNS MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:08:56 PST which is what your machine was looking for. Check to make sure that the DECSMTP object is defined properly on EMADNS. It should be something like: Object = DECSMTP Number = 254 File id = MX_EXE:DNSMTP_SERVER.EXE User id = DNSMTP Password = some_password Proxy access = none ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #176 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:35:36 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:28:57 EST From: ANIL KHULLAR Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099963F.24AF7664.19845@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu> Subject: RE: A quick question In the CONTRIB directory there was a MXSUM utility that does that. anil > Does MX 4.1 count the number of mail messages it > processes over a period of time? Is there any way I can find out > the number of messages processed by MX per day? > > Thanks for any tip. > > Kamrul Ahsan > York College/CUNY > New York ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:42:24 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: pjacobson@gandlf (Termenix knocks them dead so they don't get up) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Purge Problems Date: 14 Nov 95 09:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1995Nov14.094615@gandlf> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU We did a SHutdown QUEUE COMPRESS QUE SYNCHRONIZE After this a duplicate set of que directories labled OLD_0.DIR, OLD_1.DIR ... thru OLD_9.DIR were created. Problem 1: Now I do a QUEUE PURGE and get rid of all the finished/cancled files and then do a QUEUE STATISTICS and I get 5900/25000. When I do a QUEUE PURGE, it deletes message number 1,7,9,11,24,25,31.... Next time I do it, it deletes that same group so I looked at the missing guys (2,3,4,5,6...) and the QUEUE SHOW command says that they are finished (but purge doesn't get rid of them). The associated programs are in the regular 2.dir, 3.dir ... directories. Problem 2: I cannot get MX FLQ MANAGER to work. The process is running but it doesn't purge the files (I do it myself by hand QUEUE PURGE) and it doesn't accumulate CPU time (0.38 CPU seconds aint alot for 10,000 messages that are sent on). I have try RESET FLQ and have set the logical MX_FLQ_MGR_WAKEUP_INTERVAL to 2 minutes and the logical MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to 10 minutes. Any ides?? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:43:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: mx-i-flqerr Date: 14 Nov 1995 20:45:57 GMT Message-ID: <48av65$phu@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <64610246@MVB.SAIC.COM>, "Rich Grace" writes: =Hi, = =After initial install of mx I get the following error when I try to send =to mx%"fmb323a": =%MX-I-FLQERR, error accessing MX system queue file =%RMS-E-FNF, file not found = =any ideas? Well, my guess is that when you installed MX, it failed to create the queue file, and you didn't notice it complaining about that and fix the problem. Check to see whether the file MX_FLQ_DIR:MX_SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL exists. If it doesn't, use MCP's QUEUE CREATE command to create one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:43:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mrhine@gandlf Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: exit Date: 14 Nov 95 09:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1995Nov14.091811@gandlf> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU hi folks, we are getting pummeled by lotsa smtp requests...i have done a mcp queue compress queue extend/entry=10000 queue sync but it still appears backed-up. are there any tips or trix i am missing. apparently the marketing department put out a webb page customer feedback request and didn't tell the support group :-* thanks in advance.... -----------------------------misc info------------------------------------ MRHINE@GANDLF> mcp queu stat %MCP-I-QSTATUS, total entries: 6102/25000 (24%) Highest entry used: 14570 (58% ) MRHINE@GANDLF> mcp stat PID Node Process name Status Agent type -------- ------ --------------- ------------------ ------------ 2140165C GANDLF MX Router Idle Router agent 2140165D GANDLF MX Router#2 Idle Router agent 2140165E GANDLF MX Local Idle Local delivery agent 2140165F GANDLF MX Local#2 Idle Local delivery agent 21401665 GANDLF MX MLF Idle Mailing list/file server 21401463 GANDLF MX SMTP#4 Idle SMTP delivery agent 21401660 GANDLF MX SMTP Waiting for # 198 SMTP delivery agent 21401661 GANDLF MX SMTP#2 Idle SMTP delivery agent 21401662 GANDLF MX SMTP#3 Idle SMTP delivery agent 21401664 GANDLF MX SMTP Server Idle SMTP server (over TCP/IP) 2140165B GANDLF MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager MCP> sho smtp SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Number of DNS failure retries: 12 Accounting: enabled Default router: (none) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:49:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:45:36 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: SYSTEM@BEAVER.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU Message-ID: <00999662.FF0B1A9D.54@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Forwarding digest messages. Dave Miller writes: > >> >> The -Digest list should be set to (S:RWED,O:RWED,G:D,W:E) (no write >> access for GROUP and WORLD). > >And that will reject the message? Is there a way tt specify the >rejection message .. so I can tell to poster to use CHEMLAB-L instead? > Yes, that'll reject the message; no, you can't specify the rejection text. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:50:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:32:04 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999661.1B23012F.12@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Purge Problems pjacobson@gandlf (Termenix knocks them dead so they don't get up) writes: > >We did a SHutdown >QUEUE COMPRESS >QUE SYNCHRONIZE > >After this a duplicate set of que directories labled OLD_0.DIR, OLD_1.DIR ... >thru OLD_9.DIR were created. > The COMPRESS does this. Ideally, they'll be gone after the COMPRESS is finished, but they can be left behind if you have/had files that didn't correspond to any MX queue entries. >Problem 1: >Now I do a QUEUE PURGE and get rid of all the finished/cancled files and then do >a QUEUE STATISTICS and I get 5900/25000. When I do a QUEUE PURGE, it deletes >message number 1,7,9,11,24,25,31.... Next time I do it, it deletes that same >group so I looked at the missing guys (2,3,4,5,6...) and the QUEUE SHOW command >says that they are finished (but purge doesn't get rid of them). The associated >programs are in the regular 2.dir, 3.dir ... directories. > I'm not sure what this problem might be. 'Tis the season: I have no time to work on these problems, and they're springing up left and right. Obviously there is some bug in the queue synchronization that's letting entries slip out. You might try using SHOW QUEUE/ALL/BRIEF and look for orphan entries that are pointing back to incorrect entries. That could be why they're getting skipped. >Problem 2: >I cannot get MX FLQ MANAGER to work. The process is running but it doesn't >purge the files (I do it myself by hand QUEUE PURGE) and it doesn't accumulate >CPU time (0.38 CPU seconds aint alot for 10,000 messages that are sent on). I >have try RESET FLQ and have set the logical MX_FLQ_MGR_WAKEUP_INTERVAL to 2 >minutes and the logical MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to 10 minutes. > The MX FLQ Manager *must* be started before any MX Router process is started, otherwise the Router will claim the FLQ Manager lock and it will handle all FLQ management. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:22:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:20:54 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999678.B0A7347A.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: MCP QUEUE COMPRESS *can* corrupt your queue! Hi, all. After the reports of problems following a QUEUE COMPRESS, I did some experimenting and *did* find a serious bug in the code that renumbers the entries. The bug causes random values to be entered into the new queue entries as bogus backward references (when, for example, an entry destined for MX SMTP points back to its original MX Router entry). Until MX V4.2 is ready for release, you're better off *NOT* doing a QUEUE COMPRESS! For some sites, everything will work OK; it all depends on the contents of one longword in memory. I have several bug fixes and enhancements for MX V4.2 already completed. I had hoped to do a lot more before releasing it, but the severity of this bug has me thinking that I should try to make time for a V4.2 release soon with the features already completed. Keep an eye on this list for further announcements in the coming weeks.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:35:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:34:14 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009996AC.D83340FE.2@uwwvax.uww.edu> Subject: RE: A quick question => Does MX 4.1 count the number of mail messages it => processes over a period of time? Is there any way I can find out => the number of messages processed by MX per day? Enable accounting Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:18:27 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: SMTP DELIVERY ERROR Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:11:36 GMT Message-ID: <48covf$uuf@earth.njcc.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I get the following message when I send email to this node. CAN ANYONE HELP?? I have set up a listserv on it and of course people needed access last week. If anyone wants to try, send email to system@vs1.ag.state.nj.us. Hopefully you'll get something different. Gary _____________________________________________ Error-Text: %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed -(Via vs1.ag) -Transcript: -Rcvd: 220 VS1.ag.state.nj.us MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:38 EST -Sent: HELO VS1.ag.state.nj.us -Rcvd: 250 Hello, VS1.ag.state.nj.us -Sent: MAIL FROM: -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. -Sent: RCPT TO: -Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) -Sent: DATA -Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. -Sent: QUIT -Rcvd: 221 VS1.ag.state.nj.us Service closing transmission channel Error-End: 1 error detected ------------------------------ Rejected message ------------------------------ Received: from VS1.ag.state.nj.us by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:36 EST Received: from VS1.ag.state.nj.us by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:33 EST Received: from VS1.ag.state.nj.us by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:31 EST Received: from state.nj.us ([199.20.64.40]) by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:27 EST Received: from pluto.njcc.com by state.nj.us (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26124; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:52:16 -0500 Received: (from zeus@localhost) by pluto.njcc.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA02434; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:53:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Zeus To: system@vs1.ag.state.nj.us Subject: Re: hello? In-Reply-To: <009996B2.152DD280.3@vs1.ag.state.nj.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII reply to email On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 system@vs1.ag.state.nj.us wrote: >test ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:31:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:15:36 GMT From: Andy Harper - KCL Systems manager Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: udaa055@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009996ED.4BE79A96.15@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Purge Problems >>I cannot get MX FLQ MANAGER to work. The process is running but it doesn't >>purge the files (I do it myself by hand QUEUE PURGE) and it doesn't accumulate >>CPU time (0.38 CPU seconds aint alot for 10,000 messages that are sent on). I >>have try RESET FLQ and have set the logical MX_FLQ_MGR_WAKEUP_INTERVAL to 2 >>minutes and the logical MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to 10 minutes. >> >The MX FLQ Manager *must* be started before any MX Router process is >started, otherwise the Router will claim the FLQ Manager lock and it >will handle all FLQ management. Doesn't this raise a little problem. Imagine this scenario: 1. Two systems A and B in a cluster. A has an FLQ manager running, B does not. Both systems have routers. 2. You boot A first; FLQ manager grabs the lock. All is well. Once B comes up, suppose A goes down and reboots. The lock is released, so the router grabs it. A's FLQ manager can no longer do anything when A comes back up. 3. You boot B first; Router grabs the lock. When A boots, it can't grab it. Seems to me you have two choices: Either: Run an FLQ amanger on all nodes, which seems a waste of resources Or: Modify the code so that, when an FLQ manager starts up, it forces the router to relinquish it so it can take it over. I must admit that, before I read Hunter's comment (see above), I wondered why, despite having an FLQ manager, it was always the router doing the work! All now seems clear and points to a deficiency in MX. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:37:58 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:35:17 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009996BD.C15857B4.21@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Purge Problems Andy Harper - KCL Systems manager writes: > >>The MX FLQ Manager *must* be started before any MX Router process is >>started, otherwise the Router will claim the FLQ Manager lock and it >>will handle all FLQ management. > > Doesn't this raise a little problem. Imagine this scenario: > Yes, that scenario is exactly what will happen. > Or: Modify the code so that, when an FLQ manager starts up, it forces > the router to relinquish it so it can take it over. > Yep, that's one of the things I ran out of time for in V4.1 and is on my wish list for a future version. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:56:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: kmm@cc.colorado.edu Subject: LOCAL incorrectly returning error. Date: 15 Nov 1995 18:00:03 GMT Message-ID: <48d9r3$k7f@lace.colorado.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I occasionally get the following error when trying to deliver to a valid local user. --> Error description: Error-For: b_allen@cc.colorado.edu Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: Error in delivery to user B_ALLEN %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user B_ALLEN -MAIL-W-WRITEERR, error writing STUDENT:[B_ALLEN.MAIL]MAIL.MAI;1 -RMS-F-DUP, duplicate key detected (DUP not set) -SMG-F-IVLOGTAB, invalid logical name table Error-End: 1 error detected If I resend the message, it will go through. The error appears to be generated by the LOCAL agent, and gets sent back to the sender of the message. I think it has to do with timing issues between LOCAL agents processing a long list (my biggest is now 800), and access to SYSUAF.DAT and/or VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA. I am running a 2 node cluster sharing those files (not the MX queue file). The nodes are a VAX 3400 (5.5-2, MX4.1) and an Alpha 3000/300L (acp1.5, mx 4.1). The VAX almost never returns this error. (I'd say never, but...). I'm running 2 routers, 2 local, 4 smtp, 4 thread smtp server, 1 MLF, 1 FLQ, on the alpha, 2 routers, 2 local, 1 smtp, 4 thread smtp server, 1 FLQ on the VAX. I'd like to move the lists to the vax, (which almost no one actually logs into). But I'm afraid to, until I know that it won't make the problem worse. Thanks, Karen Michels ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:48 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:26:51 CDT From: "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Message-ID: <009996EE.DE2CC836.9@tis.aecc.com> Subject: Probelms with SITE Interface I am running MX V4.1 on VMS 6.1, CMU/IP V6.6-5A. I have just tried to bring up the SITE interface, and get the following message when it starts up: $ RUN MX_EXE:MX_SITE %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image MX_FLQ_SHR -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[MX.][EXE]MX_FLQ_SHR.EXE -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image Any ideas? RHM +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:37:17 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:36:29 CDT From: "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Message-ID: <009996F0.36F6C5F6.17@tis.aecc.com> Subject: Oops! Oh, I would that I could retrieve my last message ... I had an old version of MX_SITE, apparently from MX V4.0. Never installed it again after going to V4.1! Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. RHM +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:33:44 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:33:04 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009996F8.1E86569A.15@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Probelms with SITE Interface "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" writes: > >I am running MX V4.1 on VMS 6.1, CMU/IP V6.6-5A. > >I have just tried to bring up the SITE interface, >and get the following message when it starts up: > >$ RUN MX_EXE:MX_SITE >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image MX_FLQ_SHR >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[MX.][EXE]MX_FLQ_SHR.EXE >-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > >Any ideas? > It sounds like the MX_SITE.EXE may be one from an older version of MX? Try reinstalling just the Site interface again. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:17:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:22:16 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009996FE.FDCC13C0.1@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: LOCAL incorrectly returning error. Karen Michels (kmm@cc.colorado.edu) writes: >Error-Text: Error in delivery to user B_ALLEN > %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user B_ALLEN > -MAIL-W-WRITEERR, error writing STUDENT:[B_ALLEN.MAIL]MAIL.MAI;1 > -RMS-F-DUP, duplicate key detected (DUP not set) > -SMG-F-IVLOGTAB, invalid logical name table I believe this is a known problem with VMS Mail for some versions. Check DSNlink. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:05:55 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:04:45 CDT From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list-digest@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00999704.ED64D007.613@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU> Subject: MX-LIST Digest V95 #178 MX-List Digest Wed, 15 Nov 1995 Volume 95 : Issue 178 Today's Topics: A quick question exit Forwarding digest messages. LOCAL incorrectly returning error. (2 msgs) MCP QUEUE COMPRESS *can* corrupt your queue! mx-i-flqerr Oops! Probelms with SITE Interface (2 msgs) Purge Problems (4 msgs) SMTP DELIVERY ERROR Send digest submissions to. . . . . . . MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Send add/unsubscribe requests to . . . . MXserver@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (send HELP for more information) Send problems about the list to. . . . . owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU The current version of MX and the MX-List archives are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu ([192.107.46.27]) in [.MX] and via e-mail from FILESERV@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:34:14 CST From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Subject: Re: A quick question Message-ID: <009996AC.D83340FE.2@uwwvax.uww.edu> => Does MX 4.1 count the number of mail messages it => processes over a period of time? Is there any way I can find out => the number of messages processed by MX per day? Enable accounting Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 95 09:18:11 -0500 From: mrhine@gandlf Subject: exit Message-ID: <1995Nov14.091811@gandlf> hi folks, we are getting pummeled by lotsa smtp requests...i have done a mcp queue compress queue extend/entry=10000 queue sync but it still appears backed-up. are there any tips or trix i am missing. apparently the marketing department put out a webb page customer feedback request and didn't tell the support group :-* thanks in advance.... -----------------------------misc info------------------------------------ MRHINE@GANDLF> mcp queu stat %MCP-I-QSTATUS, total entries: 6102/25000 (24%) Highest entry used: 14570 (58% ) MRHINE@GANDLF> mcp stat PID Node Process name Status Agent type -------- ------ --------------- ------------------ ------------ 2140165C GANDLF MX Router Idle Router agent 2140165D GANDLF MX Router#2 Idle Router agent 2140165E GANDLF MX Local Idle Local delivery agent 2140165F GANDLF MX Local#2 Idle Local delivery agent 21401665 GANDLF MX MLF Idle Mailing list/file server 21401463 GANDLF MX SMTP#4 Idle SMTP delivery agent 21401660 GANDLF MX SMTP Waiting for # 198 SMTP delivery agent 21401661 GANDLF MX SMTP#2 Idle SMTP delivery agent 21401662 GANDLF MX SMTP#3 Idle SMTP delivery agent 21401664 GANDLF MX SMTP Server Idle SMTP server (over TCP/IP) 2140165B GANDLF MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager MCP> sho smtp SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Number of DNS failure retries: 12 Accounting: enabled Default router: (none) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:45:36 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Forwarding digest messages. Message-ID: <00999662.FF0B1A9D.54@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Dave Miller writes: > >> >> The -Digest list should be set to (S:RWED,O:RWED,G:D,W:E) (no write >> access for GROUP and WORLD). > >And that will reject the message? Is there a way tt specify the >rejection message .. so I can tell to poster to use CHEMLAB-L instead? > Yes, that'll reject the message; no, you can't specify the rejection text. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 1995 18:00:03 GMT From: kmm@cc.colorado.edu Subject: LOCAL incorrectly returning error. Message-ID: <48d9r3$k7f@lace.colorado.edu> I occasionally get the following error when trying to deliver to a valid local user. --> Error description: Error-For: b_allen@cc.colorado.edu Error-Code: 2 Error-Text: Error in delivery to user B_ALLEN %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user B_ALLEN -MAIL-W-WRITEERR, error writing STUDENT:[B_ALLEN.MAIL]MAIL.MAI;1 -RMS-F-DUP, duplicate key detected (DUP not set) -SMG-F-IVLOGTAB, invalid logical name table Error-End: 1 error detected If I resend the message, it will go through. The error appears to be generated by the LOCAL agent, and gets sent back to the sender of the message. I think it has to do with timing issues between LOCAL agents processing a long list (my biggest is now 800), and access to SYSUAF.DAT and/or VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA. I am running a 2 node cluster sharing those files (not the MX queue file). The nodes are a VAX 3400 (5.5-2, MX4.1) and an Alpha 3000/300L (acp1.5, mx 4.1). The VAX almost never returns this error. (I'd say never, but...). I'm running 2 routers, 2 local, 4 smtp, 4 thread smtp server, 1 MLF, 1 FLQ, on the alpha, 2 routers, 2 local, 1 smtp, 4 thread smtp server, 1 FLQ on the VAX. I'd like to move the lists to the vax, (which almost no one actually logs into). But I'm afraid to, until I know that it won't make the problem worse. Thanks, Karen Michels ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:22:16 EST From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Subject: Re: LOCAL incorrectly returning error. Message-ID: <009996FE.FDCC13C0.1@swdev.si.com> Karen Michels (kmm@cc.colorado.edu) writes: >Error-Text: Error in delivery to user B_ALLEN > %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user B_ALLEN > -MAIL-W-WRITEERR, error writing STUDENT:[B_ALLEN.MAIL]MAIL.MAI;1 > -RMS-F-DUP, duplicate key detected (DUP not set) > -SMG-F-IVLOGTAB, invalid logical name table I believe this is a known problem with VMS Mail for some versions. Check DSNlink. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | tillman_brian@si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+-------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:20:54 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: MCP QUEUE COMPRESS *can* corrupt your queue! Message-ID: <00999678.B0A7347A.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Hi, all. After the reports of problems following a QUEUE COMPRESS, I did some experimenting and *did* find a serious bug in the code that renumbers the entries. The bug causes random values to be entered into the new queue entries as bogus backward references (when, for example, an entry destined for MX SMTP points back to its original MX Router entry). Until MX V4.2 is ready for release, you're better off *NOT* doing a QUEUE COMPRESS! For some sites, everything will work OK; it all depends on the contents of one longword in memory. I have several bug fixes and enhancements for MX V4.2 already completed. I had hoped to do a lot more before releasing it, but the severity of this bug has me thinking that I should try to make time for a V4.2 release soon with the features already completed. Keep an eye on this list for further announcements in the coming weeks.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 1995 20:45:57 GMT From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: mx-i-flqerr Message-ID: <48av65$phu@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <64610246@MVB.SAIC.COM>, "Rich Grace" writes: =Hi, = =After initial install of mx I get the following error when I try to send =to mx%"fmb323a": =%MX-I-FLQERR, error accessing MX system queue file =%RMS-E-FNF, file not found = =any ideas? Well, my guess is that when you installed MX, it failed to create the queue file, and you didn't notice it complaining about that and fix the problem. Check to see whether the file MX_FLQ_DIR:MX_SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL exists. If it doesn't, use MCP's QUEUE CREATE command to create one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:36:29 CDT From: "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" Subject: Oops! Message-ID: <009996F0.36F6C5F6.17@tis.aecc.com> Oh, I would that I could retrieve my last message ... I had an old version of MX_SITE, apparently from MX V4.0. Never installed it again after going to V4.1! Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. RHM +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:26:51 CDT From: "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" Subject: Probelms with SITE Interface Message-ID: <009996EE.DE2CC836.9@tis.aecc.com> I am running MX V4.1 on VMS 6.1, CMU/IP V6.6-5A. I have just tried to bring up the SITE interface, and get the following message when it starts up: $ RUN MX_EXE:MX_SITE %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image MX_FLQ_SHR -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[MX.][EXE]MX_FLQ_SHR.EXE -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image Any ideas? RHM +--+ Robert H. McClanahan, Manager, Technical Information Systems <[]>< Arkansas Electric Coop Corp | Email: rmcclanahan@tis.aecc.com Post Office Box 194208 | Phone: (501) 570-2403 Fax: (501) 570-2485 Little Rock, AR 72219-4208 USA | All Opinions are mine, not the Coop's ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:33:04 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Probelms with SITE Interface Message-ID: <009996F8.1E86569A.15@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" writes: > >I am running MX V4.1 on VMS 6.1, CMU/IP V6.6-5A. > >I have just tried to bring up the SITE interface, >and get the following message when it starts up: > >$ RUN MX_EXE:MX_SITE >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image MX_FLQ_SHR >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[MX.][EXE]MX_FLQ_SHR.EXE >-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > >Any ideas? > It sounds like the MX_SITE.EXE may be one from an older version of MX? Try reinstalling just the Site interface again. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 95 09:46:15 -0500 From: pjacobson@gandlf (Termenix knocks them dead so they don't get up) Subject: Purge Problems Message-ID: <1995Nov14.094615@gandlf> We did a SHutdown QUEUE COMPRESS QUE SYNCHRONIZE After this a duplicate set of que directories labled OLD_0.DIR, OLD_1.DIR ... thru OLD_9.DIR were created. Problem 1: Now I do a QUEUE PURGE and get rid of all the finished/cancled files and then do a QUEUE STATISTICS and I get 5900/25000. When I do a QUEUE PURGE, it deletes message number 1,7,9,11,24,25,31.... Next time I do it, it deletes that same group so I looked at the missing guys (2,3,4,5,6...) and the QUEUE SHOW command says that they are finished (but purge doesn't get rid of them). The associated programs are in the regular 2.dir, 3.dir ... directories. Problem 2: I cannot get MX FLQ MANAGER to work. The process is running but it doesn't purge the files (I do it myself by hand QUEUE PURGE) and it doesn't accumulate CPU time (0.38 CPU seconds aint alot for 10,000 messages that are sent on). I have try RESET FLQ and have set the logical MX_FLQ_MGR_WAKEUP_INTERVAL to 2 minutes and the logical MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to 10 minutes. Any ides?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:32:04 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Purge Problems Message-ID: <00999661.1B23012F.12@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> pjacobson@gandlf (Termenix knocks them dead so they don't get up) writes: > >We did a SHutdown >QUEUE COMPRESS >QUE SYNCHRONIZE > >After this a duplicate set of que directories labled OLD_0.DIR, OLD_1.DIR ... >thru OLD_9.DIR were created. > The COMPRESS does this. Ideally, they'll be gone after the COMPRESS is finished, but they can be left behind if you have/had files that didn't correspond to any MX queue entries. >Problem 1: >Now I do a QUEUE PURGE and get rid of all the finished/cancled files and then do >a QUEUE STATISTICS and I get 5900/25000. When I do a QUEUE PURGE, it deletes >message number 1,7,9,11,24,25,31.... Next time I do it, it deletes that same >group so I looked at the missing guys (2,3,4,5,6...) and the QUEUE SHOW command >says that they are finished (but purge doesn't get rid of them). The associated >programs are in the regular 2.dir, 3.dir ... directories. > I'm not sure what this problem might be. 'Tis the season: I have no time to work on these problems, and they're springing up left and right. Obviously there is some bug in the queue synchronization that's letting entries slip out. You might try using SHOW QUEUE/ALL/BRIEF and look for orphan entries that are pointing back to incorrect entries. That could be why they're getting skipped. >Problem 2: >I cannot get MX FLQ MANAGER to work. The process is running but it doesn't >purge the files (I do it myself by hand QUEUE PURGE) and it doesn't accumulate >CPU time (0.38 CPU seconds aint alot for 10,000 messages that are sent on). I >have try RESET FLQ and have set the logical MX_FLQ_MGR_WAKEUP_INTERVAL to 2 >minutes and the logical MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to 10 minutes. > The MX FLQ Manager *must* be started before any MX Router process is started, otherwise the Router will claim the FLQ Manager lock and it will handle all FLQ management. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:15:36 GMT From: Andy Harper - KCL Systems manager Subject: Re: Purge Problems Message-ID: <009996ED.4BE79A96.15@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> >>I cannot get MX FLQ MANAGER to work. The process is running but it doesn't >>purge the files (I do it myself by hand QUEUE PURGE) and it doesn't accumulate >>CPU time (0.38 CPU seconds aint alot for 10,000 messages that are sent on). I >>have try RESET FLQ and have set the logical MX_FLQ_MGR_WAKEUP_INTERVAL to 2 >>minutes and the logical MX_FLQ_PURGE_WAIT to 10 minutes. >> >The MX FLQ Manager *must* be started before any MX Router process is >started, otherwise the Router will claim the FLQ Manager lock and it >will handle all FLQ management. Doesn't this raise a little problem. Imagine this scenario: 1. Two systems A and B in a cluster. A has an FLQ manager running, B does not. Both systems have routers. 2. You boot A first; FLQ manager grabs the lock. All is well. Once B comes up, suppose A goes down and reboots. The lock is released, so the router grabs it. A's FLQ manager can no longer do anything when A comes back up. 3. You boot B first; Router grabs the lock. When A boots, it can't grab it. Seems to me you have two choices: Either: Run an FLQ amanger on all nodes, which seems a waste of resources Or: Modify the code so that, when an FLQ manager starts up, it forces the router to relinquish it so it can take it over. I must admit that, before I read Hunter's comment (see above), I wondered why, despite having an FLQ manager, it was always the router doing the work! All now seems clear and points to a deficiency in MX. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:35:17 EST From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: Purge Problems Message-ID: <009996BD.C15857B4.21@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Andy Harper - KCL Systems manager writes: > >>The MX FLQ Manager *must* be started before any MX Router process is >>started, otherwise the Router will claim the FLQ Manager lock and it >>will handle all FLQ management. > > Doesn't this raise a little problem. Imagine this scenario: > Yes, that scenario is exactly what will happen. > Or: Modify the code so that, when an FLQ manager starts up, it forces > the router to relinquish it so it can take it over. > Yep, that's one of the things I ran out of time for in V4.1 and is on my wish list for a future version. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:11:36 GMT From: zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) Subject: SMTP DELIVERY ERROR Message-ID: <48covf$uuf@earth.njcc.com> I get the following message when I send email to this node. CAN ANYONE HELP?? I have set up a listserv on it and of course people needed access last week. If anyone wants to try, send email to system@vs1.ag.state.nj.us. Hopefully you'll get something different. Gary _____________________________________________ Error-Text: %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed -(Via vs1.ag) -Transcript: -Rcvd: 220 VS1.ag.state.nj.us MX V4.1 VAX SMTP server ready at Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:38 EST -Sent: HELO VS1.ag.state.nj.us -Rcvd: 250 Hello, VS1.ag.state.nj.us -Sent: MAIL FROM: -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. -Sent: RCPT TO: -Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) -Sent: DATA -Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. -Sent: QUIT -Rcvd: 221 VS1.ag.state.nj.us Service closing transmission channel Error-End: 1 error detected ----------------------------- Rejected message ----------------------------- Received: from VS1.ag.state.nj.us by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:36 EST Received: from VS1.ag.state.nj.us by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:33 EST Received: from VS1.ag.state.nj.us by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:31 EST Received: from state.nj.us ([199.20.64.40]) by VS1.ag.state.nj.us (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:27 EST Received: from pluto.njcc.com by state.nj.us (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26124; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:52:16 -0500 Received: (from zeus@localhost) by pluto.njcc.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA02434; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:53:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Zeus To: system@vs1.ag.state.nj.us Subject: Re: hello? In-Reply-To: <009996B2.152DD280.3@vs1.ag.state.nj.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII reply to email On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 system@vs1.ag.state.nj.us wrote: >test ------------------------------ End of MX-List Digest V95 #178 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:37:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:37:54 CST From: Bob Christenson Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009997A0.6F083220.5@fcseng.frco.com> Subject: Directory(s) of Available Mailing Lists or Servers Does anyone know of a location or locations or servers that would have fairly up-to-date information of available mailing lists? It would be a directory of mailing lists type of function I am looking for. I get questions all of the time about this and haven't been able to come up with anything. Thanks. +-----------------------------+-------------------------+ | Bob Christenson | VOICE: 515.754.3854 | _/_/_/_/ _/_/ | Sr. Sys Analyst | FAX: 515.754.2831 | _/ _/ _/ _/ | Fisher Controls Int., Inc. +-------------------------+ _/_/_/ _/ | R.A. Engel Technical Center | EMAIL: | _/ _/ _/ _/ | Marshalltown, IA 50158 | rachri1@fcseng.frco.com | _/_/_/_/. _/_/ . +-----------------------------+-------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:26:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:22:06 EST From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009997B7.5ECAF8E0.12@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: Directory(s) of Available Mailing Lists or Servers Bob Christenson writes: >Does anyone know of a location or locations or servers that would have fairly >up-to-date information of available mailing lists? It would be a directory of >mailing lists type of function I am looking for. I get questions all of the >time about this and haven't been able to come up with anything. Thanks. >+-----------------------------+-------------------------+ >| Bob Christenson | VOICE: 515.754.3854 | _/_/_/_/ _/_/ >| Sr. Sys Analyst | FAX: 515.754.2831 | _/ _/ _/ _/ >| Fisher Controls Int., Inc. +-------------------------+ _/_/_/ _/ >| R.A. Engel Technical Center | EMAIL: | _/ _/ _/ _/ >| Marshalltown, IA 50158 | rachri1@fcseng.frco.com | _/_/_/_/. _/_/ . >+-----------------------------+-------------------------+ You can try some of the following. I make no claim about their accuracy or freshness. via anonymous ftp: sri.com in the directory "netinfo" rtfm.mit.edu in "/pub/usenet/news.answers" dartcms1.dartmouth.edu in "siglists" ksuvxa.kent.edu in "library", filename is "acadlist.readme" There are also USENET lists of newsgroups and mailing lists. These lists are distributed via the USENET newsgroups "news.lists" and "news.answers". -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:07:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: d2dcfec@fre.fsu.umd.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: MX on Desktop System Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 18:53:08 -600 Message-ID: <48ba5i$boi@hecate.umd.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Currently, we are using MX 4.1 on a VMS 5.5-2 system which uses UCX 2.0 for tcp/ip. We would like to move one of the listservers from our VAX to a desktop system. The listserver has approximately 1,000 subscribers and receives on an average of 20 to 50 mail messages a day. My first question is what kind of system would be required to handle this listserver? Could it be a PC or would it have to be a Unix based workstation? The second question would be is MX available for that platform? If a Unix based workstation is required, what types of workstations does the MX software run on (DEC Alpha, SGI, SUN or etc). Thanks in Advance, Teresa Feck System Manager ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:36:19 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:14:32 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: D2DCFEC@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU Message-ID: <009997B6.501AB552.9@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX on Desktop System d2dcfec@fre.fsu.umd.edu writes: > > Currently, we are using MX 4.1 on a VMS 5.5-2 system which uses UCX >2.0 for tcp/ip. We would like to move one of the listservers from our VAX >to a desktop system. The listserver has approximately 1,000 subscribers >and receives on an average of 20 to 50 mail messages a day. > > My first question is what kind of system would be required to handle >this listserver? Could it be a PC or would it have to be a Unix based >workstation? > I don't know of any PC-based list software, but there could be some out there. I would imagine a 486 or better running Linux would work OK. > The second question would be is MX available for that platform? If a > Unix based workstation is required, what types of workstations does the > MX software run on (DEC Alpha, SGI, SUN or etc). > MX (proudly) runs only on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha! (Actually, I wish it could run on UNIX, but it depends on too many VMS-isms to port it---not the least of which is a lack of BLISS compilers for the various platforms. Even rewriting it in C (yuck!) isn't enough, because it depends on VMS locks and lots more stuff that most UNIX systems don't currently provide.) Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:41:32 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:37:36 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: d2dcfec@fre.fsu.umd.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009997C1.EB4859C0.4@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: MX on Desktop System > My first question is what kind of system would be required to handle > this listserver? Could it be a PC or would it have to be a Unix based > workstation? It could be any computer with appropriate software. > The second question would be is MX available for that platform? If a > Unix based workstation is required, what types of workstations does the > MX software run on (DEC Alpha, SGI, SUN or etc). MX only runs under the Open-VMS operating system -- not Unix, not on SGIs, not on SUNs. - Jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------- P.S. to my friends on MX-List... as of COB today, NIST is out of carry- over money. We join the ranks of furloughed government workers. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:10:16 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:09:00 -0800 From: "Barry.Winter" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: MX on Desktop System Message-ID: <95Nov16.151254pst.39681@ocnet.co.orange.ca.us> > My first question is what kind of system would be required to handle >this listserver? Could it be a PC or would it have to be a Unix based >workstation? How about a AlphaStation 200 running VMS. Small, cheap, and a real OS. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:50:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: jeffo@worf.netins.net (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: MX delivering over DECNET Date: 16 Nov 1995 14:53:15 -0600 Message-ID: CC: kevin@netins.net, johnr@netins.net To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We have an DEC 3000/500 running MX 4.1, Multinet 3.3D, and VMS 6.1. We also have a VAX 4000 that is running VMS 5.5. TCP/IP and MX are not running on the 4000. These two systems are connected via DECNET but not clustered together. MX on the DEC 3000 is having problems delivering incoming mail to the 4000. A number of users have mail sent to the 3000 forwarded to the 4000. Mail sent from the 3000 doesn't have any problems. Mail that comes into the 3000 via SMTP gets delayed for up to weeks. Turning on debugging for the LOCAL processes shows this: 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.01 Processing queue entry number 63 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.31 Checking local name: USER1 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.34 LOCAL_USER: Non-MX fwdg address VAX3000::USER1; treat as local. 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.34 This is a regular delivery. 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.40 DELIVER: mime_headers = 9 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.40 DELIVER: fdlstr = "" 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.40 DELIVER: Using MX%"USER2@SOME.OTHER.COM" as VMS MAIL From address. 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.41 DELIVER: Using MX%"user1@dec3000.our.com" as VMS MAIL To address. 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.41 DELIVER: Using as VMS MAIL CC address. 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.41 DELIVER: Using "happy hour" as subject. 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: Delivering to VAX3000::USER1 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: Status=007E803A from MAIL$ routines 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. 16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.78 Setting up for retry at 16-NOV-1995 14:13:23.78 This has been going on since we turned off Multinet SMTP and installed MX. I'm a bit of a VMS administration newbie, so I may be missing something completely obvious here. Please tell me I'm an idiot and show me what I need to do or what you need to see to help fix this... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4beta, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMKukqZwkOQz8sbZFAQGdkAP9FYxmteK8GSg8fbmefLyufjscB3ZnQ3pd dbimnnxYR5OVz7tylKKfsRSJyb1f9seKXLtxM40XCYsu9fi5Wr8zJpkkct1qpSwd 0Zs94bhHC61MkYnO5hg/WpkbM8v4vXjKodk6eBKOfm7sTzKjrbH7r8/+28lDVuVR jwJ6DteF7IY= =5coa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Jeffrey C. Ollie Iowa Network Services System Administrator ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:51:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:50:40 CST From: Ron Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009997D4.8218085C.167@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: RE: Directory(s) of Available Mailing Lists or Servers =>From: Bob Christenson =>Does anyone know of a location or locations or servers that would have fairly =>up-to-date information of available mailing lists? It would be a directory of =>mailing lists type of function I am looking for. I get questions all of the =>time about this and haven't been able to come up with anything. Thanks. LISTSERV@NDSUVM1.BITNET has a pretty good sized list (mostly BITNET) but of a wide variety. you can pick up a copy via FTP from our site but i only update it every six months or so. ftp://cctr.umkc.edu/info/lists/LOTS_OF_LISTS.TXT Last update was 5 Jun 1995 Ron Rockwell, Systems Programmer UMKC Academic Computing Services ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 07:12:09 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 07:11:40 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: JEFFO@WORF.NETINS.NET, KEVIN@NETINS.NET, JOHNR@NETINS.NET Message-ID: <00999844.679E4A5C.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX delivering over DECNET jeffo@worf.netins.net (Jeffrey C. Ollie) writes: > >MX on the DEC 3000 is having problems delivering incoming mail to the 4000. >A number of users have mail sent to the 3000 forwarded to the 4000. Mail >sent from the 3000 doesn't have any problems. Mail that comes into the 3000 >via SMTP gets delayed for up to weeks. Turning on debugging for the LOCAL >processes shows this: [...] >16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: Delivering to VAX3000::USER1 >16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: Status=007E803A from MAIL$ routines >16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. That error is LOGLINK, from VMS Mail: /FAO=1 I would expect normal (non-MX) mail to fail as well: MAIL> SEND To: VAX3000::xxxx I would suggest that you verify whether or not you can send mail from VMS Mail, and to enable login failure alarms and watch for them when MX is trying to send mail. That should give you more info about why the connection failed. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:18:04 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:16:49 CST From: Dave Miller Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00999890.8FF1D6D0.1@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.edu> Subject: Re: HTTPD Crashing Thank you ... Thanks to whomever posted the "Server Crashing" solution .. about not enough disk quota. Just today -- after weeks of great performance -- HTTPD refused to run more than a few minutes at a time. Then, as if someone heard of my plight, the answer was posted! What a great discussion group this is!!! :) //----------\|/------\\ Dave Miller. || /\ -X- || Professor, Computer Science. || / \ /|/\ || || / \ / \ || SYSTEM@BEAVER.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU || / \ \ || || /________\____\ || 1500 Birchmont Dr. NE || || || || Bemidji State University \\------|| -------// Bemidji MN, 56601 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:49:22 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:48:23 EST From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099989D.5A9DAA60.10@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: RE: A quick question > > Does MX 4.1 count the number of mail messages it > > processes over a period of time? Is there any way I can find out > > the number of messages processed by MX per day? > > > In the CONTRIB directory there was a MXSUM utility that does that. > > anil > Thanks Anil. I could not get it to work. What parameters need to be passed to MXSUM. I could not locate any help file in CONTRIB directory. I guess this piece of software was written by Harold McKee. I could not locate him either. Thanks for any further pointer. Kamrul Ahsan York/CUNY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 04:33:51 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: LOCAL incorrectly returning error. Date: 18 Nov 1995 10:04:14 GMT Message-ID: <48kb2u$dp7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <48d9r3$k7f@lace.colorado.edu>, kmm@cc.colorado.edu writes: =I occasionally get the following error when trying to deliver to a valid local =user. = =--> Error description: =Error-For: b_allen@cc.colorado.edu =Error-Code: 2 =Error-Text: Error in delivery to user B_ALLEN = %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user B_ALLEN = -MAIL-W-WRITEERR, error writing STUDENT:[B_ALLEN.MAIL]MAIL.MAI;1 = -RMS-F-DUP, duplicate key detected (DUP not set) = -SMG-F-IVLOGTAB, invalid logical name table = =Error-End: 1 error detected = =If I resend the message, it will go through. The error appears to be generated =by the LOCAL agent, and gets sent back to the sender of the message. I think =it has to do with timing issues between LOCAL agents processing a long list (my =biggest is now 800), and access to SYSUAF.DAT and/or VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA. Nope. What it has to do with is the fact that the primary key in the indexed file MAIL.MAI is based on the date and time the message in question is received. If you get two messages with the same date and time, that field is identical in the records for both messages. And MAIL.MAI is set up not to allow duplicates in that field. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 14:23:07 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:09:25 -0500 To: karen@uni.masey.ac.nz From: karen@uni.masey.ac.nz, feldman@rentwes.org.nz, rjames@otego.ac.nz, hharris@earthlite.co.nz, joshua@atc.co.nz, samuels@uni.masey.ac.nz, chen@rentwest.org.nz, chiu@earthlite.co.nz, wind@atc.co.nz, susans@uni.masey.ac.nz, gregor@rentwes.org.nz, ellen@otego.ac.nz, gfos@earthlite.co.nz, trens@atc.co.nz, jimt@uni.masey.ac.nz, fharile@rentwes.org.nz, relson@otego.ac.nz, jnels@earthlite.co.nz, sarap@atc.co.nz, gspelling@earthlite.co.nz (Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors, New Zealand Chapter) Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. 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Thank you. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 14:32:59 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 15:30:25 EST From: Scott McNeilly Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999953.3EDAEAC0.1@fred.bridgew.edu> Subject: RE: A quick question Kamrul Ahsan writes: >> > Does MX 4.1 count the number of mail messages it >> > processes over a period of time? Is there any way I can find out >> > the number of messages processed by MX per day? >> > > >> In the CONTRIB directory there was a MXSUM utility that does that. >> >> anil >> > >Thanks Anil. I could not get it to work. What parameters need >to be passed to MXSUM. I could not locate any help file in >CONTRIB directory. I guess this piece of software was written by >Harold McKee. I could not locate him either. > >Thanks for any further pointer. >Kamrul Ahsan >York/CUNY To run MXSUM, first define a symbol MXSUM == "$yourdisk:[mx.contrib]mxsum.exe". It wants one parameter, namely the type of accounting file to process, whether LOCAL or SMTP, etc. There are a number of qualifiers that can be used. See MXSUM.MAR for details. But just for starters, you might try: $ MXSUM SMTP /OUTPUT=MXSMTP.LIS or $ MXSUM LOCAL /OUTPUT=MXLOCAL.LIS You can then TYPE or PRINT the .LIS file. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Mc Neilly email: smcneilly@bridgew.edu Assistant Director Phone: 508-697-1236 Information Services Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:46:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: RE: Number of processes and server-threads? Date: 19 Nov 1995 17:22:17 GMT Message-ID: <48np49$5a0@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00999545.2D974220.52@fred.bridgew.edu>, Scott McNeilly writes: =I would be very interested, too. The number of threads and processes here =varies with the computer and its usage. On one lightly used machine, the =defaults are just fine - 4 SMTP server threads, one of everything else =running at a base priority of 4. On other machines I have up to 10 SMTP =Server threads, and 3 SMTP processes. I make the adjustments based on =frequent monitoring of the queues and processes through MCP. If the =queues for outgoing mail build up, then I'll increase the number of SMTP =processes. When the queues stop building up, then I stop increasing the =number of processes. Trial and errror. Conjecture and refutation. There =must be a more systematic approach to performance management for MX. Why would you expect that? It's not as if every machine with which you're communicating is identical. A mail message which might take 30 seconds or so to deliver to a lightly-loaded machine sharing an ethernet segment with you might take more than 5 minutes to deliver to a heavily loaded machine on the other end of a SLIP connection, for example. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:46:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: SMTP DELIVERY ERROR Date: 19 Nov 1995 17:26:22 GMT Message-ID: <48npbu$5a0@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <48covf$uuf@earth.njcc.com>, zeus@pluto.njcc.com (Greg Zeus) writes: =I get the following message when I send email to this node. CAN =ANYONE HELP?? I have set up a listserv on it and of course people =needed access last week. = =If anyone wants to try, send email to system@vs1.ag.state.nj.us. =Hopefully you'll get something different. Whomever manages vs1.ag.state.nj.us hasn't told MX that vs1.ag.state.nj.us is a local address. Therefore MX, when it receives mail for that site, tries delivering it by the default route, SMTP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:32:20 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Quoted-printable characters Message-ID: <1995Nov20.104356.4519@queens-belfast.ac.uk> From: Clive McDowell Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: 20 Nov 95 10:43:55 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU It appears that MX can detect and translate quoted-printable text in mail message bodies. One of our users spotted the following header on a message which correctly displayed the 8 bit characters signalled by the quoted-printable strings - >X-MX-Comment: QUOTED-PRINTABLE message automatically decoded This is fine but is there any way to do the reverse of this i.e. sending 8 bit characters which are converted to quoted-printable by MX? thanks, Clive McDowell Queens University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:45:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:45:28 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999A9C.3E248B64.3@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Quoted-printable characters Clive McDowell writes: > >It appears that MX can detect and translate quoted-printable text in >mail message bodies. One of our users spotted the following header on >a message which correctly displayed the 8 bit characters signalled by >the quoted-printable strings - > >>X-MX-Comment: QUOTED-PRINTABLE message automatically decoded > >This is fine but is there any way to do the reverse of this i.e. sending >8 bit characters which are converted to quoted-printable by MX? > No, MX does not support outgoing quoted-printable encoding. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:38:11 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:37:46 EST From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999AB4.501776AC.20@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Suggestion for heavily-loaded MX sites With the recent reports from some sites that MX is having trouble keeping up with their mail load, you might want to consider using the MX "auto-purge" option to purge FINished entries in the queue. This is the fastest way to clear the queue---instead of waiting for the FLQ Manager or MX Router to purge entries, they're purged as they're marked FINished. To enable this, simply execute the following command: $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC MX_FLQ_AUTOPURGE_FIN TRUE Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, The LOKI Group, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:29:45 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Probelms with SITE Interface Date: 20 Nov 1995 19:58:51 GMT Message-ID: <48qmlr$7if@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009996EE.DE2CC836.9@tis.aecc.com>, "Robert H. McClanahan, Manager TIS" writes: =I am running MX V4.1 on VMS 6.1, CMU/IP V6.6-5A. = =I have just tried to bring up the SITE interface, =and get the following message when it starts up: = =$ RUN MX_EXE:MX_SITE =%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image MX_FLQ_SHR =-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[MX.][EXE]MX_FLQ_SHR.EXE =-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image = =Any ideas? This is just a guess, but did you by any chance upgrade MX from an earlier version, and fail to ask to have the SITE interface installed when you did the upgrade? I think that might leave you with the old SITE files and the new files from the other components, which could explain the problem you're seeing. If that's the case, then you'll want to rerun the installation procedure for MX v4.1, this time including the SITE interface. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:14:47 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: RE: Directory(s) of Available Mailing Lists or Servers Date: 20 Nov 1995 22:21:40 GMT Message-ID: <48qv1k$j7c@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009997D4.8218085C.167@CCTR.UMKC.EDU>, Ron writes: ==>From: Bob Christenson = ==>Does anyone know of a location or locations or servers that would have fairly ==>up-to-date information of available mailing lists? It would be a directory of ==>mailing lists type of function I am looking for. I get questions all of the ==>time about this and haven't been able to come up with anything. Thanks. = = = LISTSERV@NDSUVM1.BITNET has a pretty good sized list (mostly BITNET) but =of a wide variety. = =you can pick up a copy via FTP from our site but i only update it every =six months or so. ftp://cctr.umkc.edu/info/lists/LOTS_OF_LISTS.TXT = =Last update was 5 Jun 1995 You can also try the newsgroup news.lists. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:45:23 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX delivering over DECNET Date: 21 Nov 1995 03:36:56 GMT Message-ID: <48rhgo$bv2@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article , jeffo@worf.netins.net (Jeffrey C. Ollie) writes: =16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: Delivering to VAX3000::USER1 =16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: Status=007E803A from MAIL$ routines =16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.55 DELIVER: --LOGLINK or OPENOUT failure; will retry. =16-NOV-1995 14:08:23.78 Setting up for retry at 16-NOV-1995 14:13:23.78 = =This has been going on since we turned off Multinet SMTP and installed =MX. I'm a bit of a VMS administration newbie, so I may be missing =something completely obvious here. Please tell me I'm an idiot and =show me what I need to do or what you need to see to help fix this... What's happening is that the MAIL object on the remote machine (VAX3000::) is either failing to accept the connection or, for some reason, the logical link is being closed. What you need to do is look at the NETSERVER.LOG file in the default directory of the account (typically MAIL$SERVER) associated with the MAIL object on VAX3000::. It should tell you what's going wrong. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:48:57 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:49:03 +0100 (MET) From: Miklos Pasztor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: Quoted-printable characters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Hunter Goatley wrote: > > > >It appears that MX can detect and translate quoted-printable text in > >mail message bodies. One of our users spotted the following header on > >a message which correctly displayed the 8 bit characters signalled by > >the quoted-printable strings - > > > >>X-MX-Comment: QUOTED-PRINTABLE message automatically decoded > > > >This is fine but is there any way to do the reverse of this i.e. sending > >8 bit characters which are converted to quoted-printable by MX? > > > No, MX does not support outgoing quoted-printable encoding. You can use the VMS version of PINE for this purpose. Regards, Miklos ==================================================================== Pa'sztor Miklo's | E-mail: pasztor@sztaki.hu MTA SZTAKI/ASZI Budapest 1132 Victor H. u. 18-22 | Tel: (36)-(1)-149-75-32 Institute for Computation and Automation, Hungarian Academy of Sciences ==================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:55:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:57:09 CST From: Bob Christenson Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <00999B67.0A5E0140.1@fcseng.frco.com> Subject: RE: Directory(s) of Available Mailing Lists or Servers Carl J Lydick writes: } } You can also try the newsgroup news.lists. } Thanks for the reply, Carl. I have picked up several other suggestions and all have turned out to be very helpful. Bob +-----------------------------+-------------------------+ | Bob Christenson | VOICE: 515.754.3854 | _/_/_/_/ _/_/ | Sr. Sys Analyst | FAX: 515.754.2831 | _/ _/ _/ _/ | Fisher Controls Int., Inc. +-------------------------+ _/_/_/ _/ | R.A. Engel Technical Center | EMAIL: | _/ _/ _/ _/ | Marshalltown, IA 50158 | rachri1@fcseng.frco.com | _/_/_/_/. _/_/ . +-----------------------------+-------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:29:30 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:27:22 +0100 From: Pierre BRU <"tlsax5::system"@spotimage.com> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <00999BA5.EF495500.5@mailgate.spotimage.com> Subject: RE: Quoted-printable characters > You can use the VMS version of PINE for this purpose. is PINE a shareware ? if so, where to find it ? Pierre BRU System & Network Mgr. system@spotimage.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:54:20 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: (Martin Egger) Subject: RE: Quoted-printable characters Date: 21 Nov 1995 15:30:42 GMT Message-ID: <48srb2$fnp@aragorn.unibe.ch> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00999BA5.EF495500.5@mailgate.spotimage.com>, Pierre BRU <"tlsax5::system"@spotimage.com> writes: >> You can use the VMS version of PINE for this purpose. > >is PINE a shareware ? if so, where to find it ? There is a VMS port of Pine in progress by somebody in Israel: ftp://vms.huji.ac.il/local/pine_3_91_beta_5.zip Innosoft has a commercial version of Pine as part of PMDF. Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Martin Egger Phone: +41 (0)31 338 05 81 Informatik Telecom PTT, Sekt. IK 32 Fax: +41 (0)31 338 55 69 Poststrasse 6, CH-3030 Bern eMail: egger@id.unibe.ch Switzerland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:16:37 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: bryan@ayesha.phys.Virginia.EDU () Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: "mx%" addresses generate "File not found" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:16:31 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi Folks, We recently had some disk problems which corrupted out sysuaf. I've restored an older version of the sysuaf, but now 'mail' gives the following complaint whenever anyone tries to send to an "mx%" address: %RMS-E-FNF, file not found Does anyone have any idea what file is missing? Thanks in advance, Bryan -- =============================================================================== Bryan Wright |"If you take cranberries and stew them like Physics Department | applesauce, they taste much more like prunes University of Virginia | than rhubarb does." -- Groucho Charlottesville, VA 22901 | (804) 924-7218 | bryan@virginia.edu =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:01:28 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:00:50 MST From: "Ray Harwood -- Data Basix: (602)721-1988" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rharwood@Basix.COM Message-ID: <00999BC3.C1F1F17A.42@Basix.COM> Subject: DNS Problems inside Firewall I've just installed MX 4.1 on "TITAN", a VAX 7720 running VMS 6.1. It was a fresh install, and I've run MX on several other machines before, so I'm not your typical new guy... but something isn't right, and I'd appreciate some helpful suggestions. The peculiar part of this install is that it is on the inside of our firewall, and SMTP connections to the outside world are forbidden, except by the firewall itself. Consequently, all SMTP traffic has to go directly to the gateway UMCAZGW: >$ mcp show path > >Domain-to-path mappings: > Domain="Titan.UMCAZ.EDU", Path=Local > Domain="[170.87.50.2]", Path=Local > Domain="Titan", Path=Local > Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="umcazgw.umcaz.edu." EMail sent from TITAN gets caught in the queue as shown: >$ mcp que show/full >Entry: 3, Origin: [Local] > Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 42 bytes > Created: 21-NOV-1995 17:35:59.38, expires 21-DEC-1995 17:35:59.38 > Last modified 21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.37 > SMTP entry #4, status: READY, size: 42 bytes, waiting for retry until 21-NOV-1995 18:08:11.63 > Created: 21-NOV-1995 17:36:10.87, expires 21-DEC-1995 17:35:59.38 > Last modified 21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.64 > Recipient #1: , Route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. > DNS errors=1 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server > Recipient #2: , Route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. > DNS errors=1 > Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server Naturally I've enabled MX_SMTP_DEBUG to produce the following MX_SMTP_LOG.LOG entry: >21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.27 Processing queue entry number 4 on node TITAN >21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.40 Recipient: , route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. >21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.40 Recipient: , route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. >21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.40 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name umcazgw.umcaz.edu. >21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 0000022C >21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27812C, sts2=0000022C >21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 Recipient status=0C27812C for >21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 Recipient status=0C27812C for >21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.63 2 rcpts need retry, next try 21-NOV-1995 18:08:11.63 >21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.65 *** End of processing pass *** It looks to me like DNS doesn't work, but this *does* work: >$ multinet nslookup umcazgw.umcaz.edu >Server: minerva.umcaz.edu >Address: 170.87.50.7 > >Non-authoritative answer: >Name: UMCAZGW.UMCAZ.EDU >Address: 170.87.50.14 I'd appreciate any helpful suggestions. Does MX -- through NETLIB -- do something unusual in looking up the Domain Name? It feels like I've missed something really easy ... or really obscure (sometimes one and the same!). Is there some other troubleshooting I can do? (You can't see the DNS or this IP net from outside the firewall... sorry!) One more, while I have you here: we're running VMS 6.1. What's the status on a MAILSHR patch for this version? I didn't see one in the CONTRIB files... maybe my eyes are just glazed over ;) Many thanks! Ray ----- Ray Harwood Manager, Technical & Network Services RHarwood@UMCAZ.EDU University Medical Center, ISS Dept. Voice: (520)694-6417 1501 N Campbell Ave FAX: (520)694-4764 Tucson, AZ 85724 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:31:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:30:20 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rharwood@Basix.COM, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <00999BF1.C94B28A0.2@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: DNS Problems inside Firewall > I've just installed MX 4.1 ... but something isn't right > > I'd appreciate any helpful suggestions. This was such a thorough and well-stated problem report, with such an apparent mystery, I thought I'd take a crack at it. As best I can tell, the problem is that umcazgw.umcaz.edu is *not* the name of the gateway. It's an MX record in the DNS that acts as an alias of the gateway. The real name ("A" record) of the gateway is gw.umcaz.edu. Admittedly, my view of the world from outside of the firewall may be different than the view from inside of the firewall. However, I have to wonder what would be the net effect if you intended a single DNS name to have an "A" record inside of the firewall and an "MX" record outside of the firewall. A host inside of the firewall might learn of the MX record and get totally confused. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:39:44 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:38:58 MST From: "Ray Harwood -- Data Basix: (602)721-1988" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rharwood@Basix.COM Message-ID: <00999BFB.604A452A.18@Basix.COM> Subject: RE: DNS Problems inside Firewall I wrote: > > I've just installed MX 4.1 ... but something isn't right > > I'd appreciate any helpful suggestions. Jonathan replied: > As best I can tell, the problem is that umcazgw.umcaz.edu is *not* the name > of the gateway. It's an MX record in the DNS that acts as an alias of the > gateway. The real name ("A" record) of the gateway is gw.umcaz.edu. > > Admittedly, my view of the world from outside of the firewall may be different > than the view from inside of the firewall. [snip] > A host inside of the firewall might learn of the MX record and get totally > confused. Nope... the firewall is well-tested and knows to present a "private view" of the details of the inside of the network to "insiders", and a limited "gateway-only" view to the outside. Trust me: the DNS information on the inside reflects a considerable chunk of detail, but for some reason, MX can't get to ANY of it (though Multinet and apps on other machines have no trouble). Some additional information, for those curious to know: I did re-set the PATH to substitute "[170.87.50.14]" for "umcazgw.umcaz.edu" and still got a DNS timeout failure... I thought for sure it would read the bracketed IP address and just "go direct", but no luck there either. Jonathan, thanks for trying... anyone else? ;) Ray ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:17:01 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: MX on Desktop System Date: 22 Nov 1995 10:42:27 GMT Message-ID: <48uuqj$kvv@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <48ba5i$boi@hecate.umd.edu>, d2dcfec@fre.fsu.umd.edu writes: = Currently, we are using MX 4.1 on a VMS 5.5-2 system which uses UCX =2.0 for tcp/ip. We would like to move one of the listservers from our VAX =to a desktop system. The listserver has approximately 1,000 subscribers =and receives on an average of 20 to 50 mail messages a day. = = My first question is what kind of system would be required to handle =this listserver? Could it be a PC or would it have to be a Unix based =workstation? A dedicated 8080 with ancillary equipment could do it, most likely. = The second question would be is MX available for that platform? MX is written for VMS. Period. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:17:16 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: wing@tgv.com ("Dan Wing") Subject: Re: DNS Problems inside Firewall Date: 22 Nov 1995 18:35:17 GMT Message-ID: <48vqh7$1a0@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00999BC3.C1F1F17A.42@Basix.COM>, "Ray Harwood -- Data Basix: (602)721-1988" writes: #I've just installed MX 4.1 on "TITAN", a VAX 7720 running VMS 6.1. It was a #fresh install, and I've run MX on several other machines before, so I'm not #your typical new guy... but something isn't right, and I'd appreciate some #helpful suggestions. # #The peculiar part of this install is that it is on the inside of our firewall, #and SMTP connections to the outside world are forbidden, except by the firewall #itself. Consequently, all SMTP traffic has to go directly to the gateway #UMCAZGW: # #>$ mcp show path #> #>Domain-to-path mappings: #> Domain="Titan.UMCAZ.EDU", Path=Local #> Domain="[170.87.50.2]", Path=Local #> Domain="Titan", Path=Local #> Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="umcazgw.umcaz.edu." # #EMail sent from TITAN gets caught in the queue as shown: # #>$ mcp que show/full #>Entry: 3, Origin: [Local] #> Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 42 bytes #> Created: 21-NOV-1995 17:35:59.38, expires 21-DEC-1995 17:35:59.38 #> Last modified 21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.37 #> SMTP entry #4, status: READY, size: 42 bytes, waiting for retry until 21-NOV-1995 18:08:11.63 #> Created: 21-NOV-1995 17:36:10.87, expires 21-DEC-1995 17:35:59.38 #> Last modified 21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.64 #> Recipient #1: , Route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. #> DNS errors=1 #> Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server #> Recipient #2: , Route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. #> DNS errors=1 #> Last error: %MX-F-NODNSRESPONSE, no response from DNS server # #Naturally I've enabled MX_SMTP_DEBUG to produce the following MX_SMTP_LOG.LOG #entry: # #>21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.27 Processing queue entry number 4 on node TITAN #>21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.40 Recipient: , route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. #>21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.40 Recipient: , route=umcazgw.umcaz.edu. #>21-NOV-1995 17:36:11.40 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name umcazgw.umcaz.edu. #>21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 0000022C #>21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27812C, sts2=0000022C #>21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 Recipient status=0C27812C for #>21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.41 Recipient status=0C27812C for #>21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.63 2 rcpts need retry, next try 21-NOV-1995 18:08:11.63 #>21-NOV-1995 17:38:11.65 *** End of processing pass *** # #It looks to me like DNS doesn't work, but this *does* work: # #>$ multinet nslookup umcazgw.umcaz.edu #>Server: minerva.umcaz.edu #>Address: 170.87.50.7 #> #>Non-authoritative answer: #>Name: UMCAZGW.UMCAZ.EDU #>Address: 170.87.50.14 I couldn't look it up (but you do mention that there's an internal DNS and an external [public] DNS ...). $ mul nsl/ty=a umcazgw.umcaz.edu. Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 *** No address (A) records available for UMCAZGW.UMCAZ.EDU. #I'd appreciate any helpful suggestions. Does MX -- through NETLIB -- do #something unusual in looking up the Domain Name? It feels like I've missed #something really easy ... or really obscure (sometimes one and the same!). #Is there some other troubleshooting I can do? (You can't see the DNS or this #IP net from outside the firewall... sorry!) It appears you've got MULTINET_NAMESERVERS pointing to another machine (other than 127.0.0.1), which circumvents the performance benefits of being a caching-only nameserver. However, I don't see why MX should be having any problems -- it might be useful to see what sortof nameserver activity is happening when MX is looking up the hostname, though: $ MULTINET TCPDUMP/SNAP=1514 PORT DOMAIN OR ICMP #One more, while I have you here: we're running VMS 6.1. What's the status on a #MAILSHR patch for this version? I didn't see one in the CONTRIB files... maybe #my eyes are just glazed over ;) Check on ftp.spc.edu in [.mx.contrib]. There are versions for VAX and Alpha up to OpenVMS V6.1 on both platforms. VMS V6.2 and higher incorporates the patch as part of MAILSHR (as shipped by DEC). -Dan Wing, wing@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:20:38 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: bryan@ayesha.phys.Virginia.EDU () Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: "mx%" addresses generate "File not found" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:41:00 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU bryan@ayesha.phys.Virginia.EDU wrote: : We recently had some disk problems which corrupted out sysuaf. : I've restored an older version of the sysuaf, but now 'mail' gives the : following complaint whenever anyone tries to send to an "mx%" address: : %RMS-E-FNF, file not found I've found the solution. In addition to a corrupt sysuaf, we also had a corrupt message queue file. Doing an 'analyze/disk/repair mx_device', then copying flq_dir:system_queue.flq_ctl_virgin into system_queue.flq_ctl solved the problem. Bryan -- =============================================================================== Bryan Wright |"If you take cranberries and stew them like Physics Department | applesauce, they taste much more like prunes University of Virginia | than rhubarb does." -- Groucho Charlottesville, VA 22901 | (804) 924-7218 | bryan@virginia.edu =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 02:01:38 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:01:22 +0100 From: reisacher@goethe.de Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Message-ID: <0099A02F.62F71F40.1@GI011L.GOETHE.DE> Subject: Looping with SITE Hello, I want to manipulate messages, so I have written a SITE_DELIVER.COM which contains (after doing my required things) mx_site_in to bring the message back to the right address. To catch all outgoing messages i have modified the domain * with path=site. But this is fatal, because the mx_site_in can only deliver the mail to the default mx mechanism, which proceeds the mail in the same way as before. -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> ... The mail doesn't go out. She loops. What can I do? Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="gi011l.goethe.de", Path=Local Domain="GI010J.GOETHE.DE", Path=Local Domain="[193.174.244.1]", Path=Local Domain="GI010J", Path=Local Domain="GI011L", Path=Local Domain="*.goethe.de", Path=SMTP Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SITE, Route="GI020X.GOETHE.DE" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:18:29 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:17:00 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: reisacher@goethe.de, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0099A039.F437AD80.2@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Looping with SITE > I want to manipulate messages, so I have written a SITE_DELIVER.COM which > contains (after doing my required things) mx_site_in to bring the message > back to the right address. To catch all outgoing messages i have modified > the domain * with path=site. But this is fatal, because the mx_site_in can > only deliver the mail to the default mx mechanism, which proceeds the mail > in the same way as before. > -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> ... > The mail doesn't go out. She loops. > > What can I do? In your MX configuration: DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user}@{addr}> <{user}%phony.phony.phony.{addr}@mod-in> DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user}%phony.phony.phony.{addr}> <{user}@{addr}> DEFINE PATH "mod-in" SITE/ROUTE="MOD-IN" Get it? Everything gets converted to an address that forces the mail to the site agent, except for a special address format that only the site agent knows that passes through MX normally. In the body of the mail message, you set up the normal mail address. However, in the destination parameter (P3), you construct the phony address (which MX will later fix). - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:57:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: DNS Problems inside Firewall Date: 27 Nov 1995 23:46:17 GMT Message-ID: <49dik9$3mk@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <00999BC3.C1F1F17A.42@Basix.COM>, "Ray Harwood -- Data Basix: (602)721-1988" writes: =It looks to me like DNS doesn't work, but this *does* work: = =>$ multinet nslookup umcazgw.umcaz.edu =>Server: minerva.umcaz.edu =>Address: 170.87.50.7 => =>Non-authoritative answer: =>Name: UMCAZGW.UMCAZ.EDU =>Address: 170.87.50.14 = =I'd appreciate any helpful suggestions. Does MX -- through NETLIB -- do =something unusual in looking up the Domain Name? It can. It will try translating the logical name NETLIB_NAMESERVERS to get the list of nameservers to use. If you've got that defined to something other than the nameservers you should actually be using, that can cause problems. Normally, when using Multinet, you don't want to define NETLIB_NAMESERVERS at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:35:39 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:25:38 EST From: "Mario Meyer, Phys.-Techn. Bundesanstalt" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU CC: mmeyer@ChbRB.Berlin.PTB.De Message-ID: <0099A125.DA5237FE.3@ChbRB.Berlin.PTB.De> Subject: Re: DNS Problems inside Firewall > =I'd appreciate any helpful suggestions. Does MX -- through NETLIB -- do > =something unusual in looking up the Domain Name? > > It can. It will try translating the logical name NETLIB_NAMESERVERS to get the > list of nameservers to use. If you've got that defined to something other than > the nameservers you should actually be using, that can cause problems. >Normally, when using Multinet, you don't want to define NETLIB_NAMESERVERS at all. But I observed the following: Our Nameserver knew the quested MX record but told that he would not be the authorized server. MX waited until it could connect to the authorized server. This was MX 4.1 VAX with UCX. Mario Meyer --,------------------------------------------------------.------------------ | Mario Meyer Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt | . , | ............. Institut Berlin Referat IB.TI | _QQ__ | : wide area : Abbestr. 2-12, D - 10587 Berlin | __( U, )__ | : networker : tel. (+49 30) 3481 442, fax. ... 490 | /// `---' \\\ | SMTP MMeyer@ChbRB.Berlin.PTB.De, BITNET MMeyer@PTBIB | /||\ /||\ --| X.400 S=Meyer; OU=IB-TI; O=PTB; P=PTB; A=d400; C=DE |------------------ `------------------------------------------------------' ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:37:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Alternative SMTP port? Date: 28 Nov 95 16:08:28 GMT Message-ID: <1995Nov28.160828@oxvaxd> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, Is there a way of getting the SMTP delivery agent to connect to a port on a remote machine other than 25? I can't find any reference to port 25 in the MX or Netlib code, so where is is being defined? Thanks, Dave -- David Hastings | "If liberty means anything at all, Systems Programmer/News Manager | it means the right to tell people Oxford University Computing Services | what they do not want to hear" david.hastings@oucs.ox.ac.uk | - George Orwell ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:38:08 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: davidf@mossadams.com (David Fabritius) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: trouble sending SMTP messages Date: 28 Nov 1995 16:32:09 GMT Message-ID: <49fdi9$olr@news1.wolfe.net> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU I have just recently installed MX v4.1 and everything was working great, but now I'm having trouble sending (but not receiving) SMTP messages. The log file (included at the end of this message) shows two errors, one an End of File, the other is unknown. If anyone has any hints or tips for me, I would greatly appreciate it. Sorry if my information is sadly lacking, but I'm no expert at this...yet. TIA. -David Here are the details of my system: MicroVAX 3100-90 OpenVMS v5.5-2 CMU-OpenVMS/IP v6.6-5A Netlib v2.0 Bruce Orchard's DNS Here is a copy of the MX_SMTP_LOG.LOG file: 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.05 Processing queue entry number 6 on node VAX 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.18 Recipient: , route=wku.edu 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.18 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name wku.edu 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.35 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.42 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=00000870 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.42 SMTP send failed, sts=0C278024, sts2=00000870 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.42 Recipient status=0C278024 for 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.67 1 rcpts need retry, next try 28-NOV-1995 08:52:32.67 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.68 *** End of processing pass *** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:25:15 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Subject: Re: Alternative SMTP port? Message-ID: <1995Nov28.182829@genrad.co.uk> From: dongray@genrad.co.uk (Derek Dongray) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 18:28:29 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU It's hard-coded in to use port 25 for both incoming and outgoing calls. In SMTP_SERVER.B32 is the line... STATUS = NET_BIND (LSNCTX, NET_K_TCP, 25, .MAXTHREADS); ..and in SMTP_OUT.B32 is the line... STATUS = TCP_CONNECT_ADDR (TCPCTX, ADDRLST [.A], 25); Hence you'd need to compile a special version to use any other port. -- Derek Dongray, Systems Manager, GenRad Ltd., Cheshire, UK. dongray@genrad.co.uk dongray@genrad.com 70374,2745 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:17:02 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: mark@tribal.pcc.cccoes.edu (Mark Montanez, Network Analyst/Admin CCCOES @ PCC) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node !AS Date: 28 Nov 95 12:13:02 MST Message-ID: <1995Nov28.121302@tribal> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Hi, I have some messages that seem to be hanging around the que for a while with these errors... The message are alway messages that need to get delivered via decnet ie. Entry: 26, Origin: [SMTP] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 147 bytes Created: 28-NOV-1995 11:13:48.22, expires 28-DEC-1995 11:13:48.22 Last modified 28-NOV-1995 12:00:52.07 LOCAL entry #27, status: READY, size: 146 bytes, waiting for retry until 28-NO V-1995 12:30:53.22 Created: 28-NOV-1995 11:13:58.26, expires 28-DEC-1995 11:13:48.22 Last modified 28-NOV-1995 12:00:53.25 Recipient #1: PPCC::PEARSON, Route=pcc.cccoes.edu Error count=3 Last error: %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node !AS Recipient #2: PPCC::HALEY, Route=pcc.cccoes.edu Error count=3 Last error: %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node !AS So where can I look to see why the MX can't establish the Decnet link to the remote nodes. When this problem exists I can send VAX mail there with out a problem. Is there a quota or something that I'm running out of for the MX process? What process is trying to deliver these messages? I can always get the messages to be delivered by stopping MX on both nodes in my cluster and restarting it. Thanks in advance for any/all help you can provide... Mark Montanez, Network Analyst CCCOES/CCCS at Pueblo Community College ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:35:52 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: KISH@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Domain setup for Mil net.... Date: 29 Nov 1995 16:03:22 GMT Message-ID: <49i08a$k9c@cst715.iac.honeywell.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Does any one know of a working gateway into the mil net domain? I need to send some mail to a XXX@xxx.xxx.cab.rcas.mil and I don't seem a proper domian setup for that " system ". Any one having an sugestion please email me directly! Thanks Karl KISH@DRWHO.IAC.HONEYWELL.COM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:53:44 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:03:17 +0100 From: reisacher@goethe.de Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: , Message-ID: <0099A1CA.5E8A0660.3@GI011L.GOETHE.DE> Subject: RE: Looping with SITE I wrote: ======= >> I want to manipulate messages, so I have written a SITE_DELIVER.COM which >> contains (after doing my required things) mx_site_in to bring the message >> back to the right address. To catch all outgoing messages i have modified >> the domain * with path=site. But this is fatal, because the mx_site_in can >> only deliver the mail to the default mx mechanism, which proceeds the mail >> in the same way as before. >> -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> ... >> The mail doesn't go out. She loops. >> >> What can I do? Jonathan wrote: ============== >In your MX configuration: > >DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user}@{addr}> <{user}%phony.phony.phony.{addr}@mod-in> >DEFINE REWRITE_RULE <{user}%phony.phony.phony.{addr}> <{user}@{addr}> > >DEFINE PATH "mod-in" SITE/ROUTE="MOD-IN" > > >Get it? Everything gets converted to an address that forces the mail to >the site agent, except for a special address format that only the site >agent knows that passes through MX normally. > >In the body of the mail message, you set up the normal mail address. >However, in the destination parameter (P3), you construct the phony address >(which MX will later fix). ***** I tried this, but i got a loop or an unsent mail. ***** First I did following: mcp> define Rewrite "<{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}>" "<{user}@{adr}>" define Rewrite "<{user}@{adr}>" "<{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}@MOD-OUT>" define path MOD-OUT SITE /route=MOD-OUT reset router In my SITE_DELIVER.COM I modified P3 from <{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}@MOD-OUT> to <{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}> from MX I got following error: Problem occurred during message routing for the following: Address: (originally: ) Error: Invalid address. Second I did this: mcp> (1) define Rewrite "<{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}@MODIFIED>" "<{user}@{adr}>" (2) define Rewrite "<{user}@{adr}>" "<{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}@MOD-OUT>" define path MOD-OUT SITE /route=MOD-OUT reset router In my SITE_DELIVER.COM I modified P3 from <{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}@MOD-OUT> to <{user}%mody.mody.mody.{adr}@MODIFIED> Now I have had a valid adress, but the mail went looping, because the the second rule was matching again and the mail was forced to SITE... and so on I don't understand this. In the documentation is to read: "The rewrite rule list is searched until a matching pattern is found. Once a match is found, no additional rules are searched." What is the sequence of searching. Top or down ? Working with SITE is not so easy. Could anybody enligthen me? Georg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Georg Reisacher ___ System and Network Management /___ Goethe-Institut e.V. //___ Helene-Weber-Allee 1 ///___ _ D 80637 Muenchen ////___ |_| G o e t h e - I n s t i t u t ----------------------------- ///// PHONE +49 89-15921-399 \\\\\ ___ ///// FAX +49 89-15921-435 \\\\\___///// \\\\\_///// http://www.goethe.de reisacher@goethe.de \\\\ //// ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:42:00 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Looping with SITE Date: 29 Nov 1995 19:53:45 GMT Message-ID: <49ido9$54c@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <0099A02F.62F71F40.1@GI011L.GOETHE.DE>, reisacher@goethe.de writes: =Hello, =I want to manipulate messages, so I have written a SITE_DELIVER.COM which =contains (after doing my required things) mx_site_in to bring the message =back to the right address. To catch all outgoing messages i have modified =the domain * with path=site. But this is fatal, because the mx_site_in can =only deliver the mail to the default mx mechanism, which proceeds the mail =in the same way as before. = -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> SITE -> mx_site_in -> ... =The mail doesn't go out. She loops. = =What can I do? = = =Domain-to-path mappings: = Domain="gi011l.goethe.de", Path=Local = Domain="GI010J.GOETHE.DE", Path=Local = Domain="[193.174.244.1]", Path=Local = Domain="GI010J", Path=Local = Domain="GI011L", Path=Local = Domain="*.goethe.de", Path=SMTP = Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" = Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" = Domain="*", Path=SITE, Route="GI020X.GOETHE.DE" Well, I don't know whether or not this will help you, but you COULD, I think, have SITE_DELIVER.COM rewrite addresses of the form user@host to user%host@GI020X.GOETHE.DE or @GI020X.GOETHE.DE:user@host. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 00:39:21 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 01:36:04 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: davidf@mossadams.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <0099A24C.AD36E300.10@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: trouble sending SMTP messages > I have just recently installed MX v4.1 and everything was working great, > but now I'm having trouble sending (but not receiving) SMTP messages. > CMU-OpenVMS/IP v6.6-5A > 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.18 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name wku.edu > 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.35 SMTP_SEND: DSN_MXLOOK status is 00000001 > 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.42 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=00000870 > 28-NOV-1995 08:22:32.42 SMTP send failed, sts=0C278024, sts2=00000870 Does the problem go away, at least temporarily, if you reboot? If you answer yes, do a SHOW PROCESS/ID=xxx on NAMRES comparing the time that things work compared to when they don't. I suspect you'll see that NAMRES looses its IP: device assignment. The solution is... In SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_V5.COM: $ SUBMIT/NOLOG/AFTER="+:18" SYS$MANAGER:NAMRES_FIX.COM This to run the batch file sometime after CMU/TEK TCP/IP starts up. The file SYS$MANAGER:NAMRES_FIX.COM: $ SET NOON $ IPNCP NAMRES EXIT $ IPNCP STARTUP/NAMRES ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:14:53 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:14:24 +0200 From: Juan Altmayer Pizzorno Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <0099A2A5.D9FB4CCE.24@vms.gmd.de> Subject: RE: Alternative SMTP port? daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) writes: >Is there a way of getting the SMTP delivery agent to connect to a port on a >remote machine other than 25? I can't find any reference to port 25 in the MX >or Netlib code, so where is is being defined? I've contributed a change to MX to do this (by using the MX_SMTP_PORT logical, which defaults to 25 if undefined), which I suppose will be in the next version of MX. Until then, you'd have to change SMTP_SERVER.B32. .. Juan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:16:46 CDT Sender: owner-mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:15:58 EST From: Jim Stratton Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: stratton@rainbw.quantic.com Message-ID: <0099A2BF.3742AC60.12@rainbw.quantic.com> Subject: QUERY MX-List