Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1992 07:07:13 CDT Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1992 14:02:45 UTC+2 From: Kind regards from the Sunny Pyrenees Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: xech@FRPERP51.BITNET Message-ID: <0095B73C.6B947560.19071@FRPERP51> UNSUB ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1992 08:23:31 CDT Message-ID: Date: 1 Jun 92 08:43:00 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: invalid device? To: "mx-list" CC: "dennis_sherman" I have found that Mail can give an invalid device error when it has quota problems on the target disk. For example, suppose Postmaster's directory doesn't exist. Mail will give an invalid device error. Also, if MAIL.MAI doesn't exist and the account that is supposed to own MAIL.MAI doesn't have quota on the disk, Mail will give the invalid device error. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1992 09:31:40 CDT Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1992 16:25:45 MESZ From: "Reinhold Meyer, Forstliche Biometrie UNIGOE" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: rmeyer@ufobi1.uni-forst.gwdg.de Message-ID: <0095B750.65500F20.7446@ufobi1.uni-forst.gwdg.de> Subject: MAIL FROM:<> ( was Postmaster's personal name ) >> >>From: Local delivery agent >[..] >>From: Mailing list & file server > >Please check with RFC 822. You will find that these are both correctly >formed; quotation marks are unnecessary. If a mail system is rejecting them, >it is in error and should be corrected. Ok, this was not the problem. Seems the real problem is an empty From address in the SMTP transaction. 1-JUN-1992 15:43:05.50 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 220 ibm.gwdg.de run- ning IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX on Mon, 01 Jun 92 15:43:10 MSZ 1-JUN-1992 15:43:05.68 SMTP_SEND: Sent: HELO UFOBI1.UNI-FORST.GWDG.DE 1-JUN-1992 15:43:05.80 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 ibm.gwdg.de is my domain name. 1-JUN-1992 15:43:05.81 SMTP_SEND: Sent: MAIL FROM:<> 1-JUN-1992 15:43:06.23 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 OK 1-JUN-1992 15:43:06.25 SMTP_SEND: Sent: RCPT TO:- <@ibm.gwdg.de:rmeyer@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de> 1-JUN-1992 15:43:06.39 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 OK 1-JUN-1992 15:43:06.54 SMTP_SEND: Sent: DATA Some piece of software in the IBM -> DECNET connection doesn't like the empty from field. The question now is: Is it possible to add a non empty from field? I tried ( telnet to SMTP port ) and it works fine. Reinhold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reinhold Meyer Abt. Forstliche Biometrie u. Informatik Buesgenweg 4 W-3400 Goettingen Voice : +49 551 393466 Internet: rmeyer@ufobi2.uni-forst.gwdg.de ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1992 11:05:29 CDT From: Subject: Re: MAIL FROM:<> ( was Postmaster's personal name ) Message-ID: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <0095B750.65500F20.7446@ufobi1.uni-forst.gwdg.de> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1992 15:18:33 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0095B750.65500F20.7446@ufobi1.uni-forst.gwdg.de>, "Reinhold Meyer, Forstliche Biometrie UNIGOE" writes: >Ok, this was not the problem. Seems the real problem is an empty >From address in the SMTP transaction. [...] > 1-JUN-1992 15:43:05.81 SMTP_SEND: Sent: MAIL FROM:<> > 1-JUN-1992 15:43:06.23 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 OK [...] >Some piece of software in the IBM -> DECNET connection doesn't like the >empty from field. The question now is: Is it possible to add a non empty >from field? Again, MX is generating perfectly valid syntax for the MAIL FROM address, and is using it with good reason. If there is an SMTP mailer that is not accepting this, then it is in error. The relevant information is in RFC 821. -Matt -- Matthew Madison, Systems Programmer | Internet: madison@vms.ecs.rpi.edu Engineering Computing Services | Bitnet: MADISON@RPIECSVX Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, New York 12180-3590 USA | After 15 June 1992: madison@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1992 10:15:06 CDT Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 17:09 +0200 From: Matthias Clausen DESY -KRYK- / D-Hamburg Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: FAX for MX available? To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <01GKQVVWYDVK9BW8JE@vax58b.desy.de> Hi, I am not a member of this list, but I hope you can help me: Is there anybody who has written a FAX inteface for the MX? Please let me know! Matthias Clausen Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron DESY Gruppe: KRYK / F36H Notkestrasse 85 VXHERA::CLAUS W-2000 Hamburg 52 CLAUS@DESYVAX.BITNET Tel: -49 40 8998-3256 claus@vxhera.desy.de Fax: -49 40 8998-5388 PSI%(0262)45050354002::CLAUS ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1992 10:51:54 CDT Message-ID: Date: 2 Jun 92 11:12:00 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Bang paths To: "mx-list" Can MX's rewrite rules handle bang paths? If so, how would I specify such a rule? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1992 14:02:51 CDT Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1992 14:50:13 EDT From: Ian Vaz Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@RPIECSVX.BITNET Message-ID: <0095B80C.375C4540.14528@mars.senecac.on.ca> Subject: SMTP mail returned errors ? Hello from Toronto, The 2 addresses in the error messages below are legitimate addresses. However, mail still bounces back. Has anybody seen, or know why we are getting a lot of the errors outlined below. Any itsy, witsy morsel/ray of light shed on this matter would be infinitely appreciated. By the way we are running MX version 2.3. If I get many replies to my local address, I will mail a synopsis of them to the list. Thanks in advance. ************************************************************************ SMTP RETURNED MAIL ERROR 1. =========================== A problem occurred during SMTP delivery of your message. Error occurred sending to host cdf.toronto.edu: retry count exceeded message transmission could not be completed device timeout ======================================================================== SMTP RETURNED MAIL ERROR 2. =========================== A problem occurred during SMTP delivery of your message. Error occurred sending to host brownvm.brown.edu: retry count exceeded message transmission could not be completed Domain service: maximum referral limit exceeded ************************************************************************ ******************************************************************* * Ian Vaz * * Seneca College * * Don Mills, Ontario * * (416) 491-5050 x 7252 * * Internet e-mail addresses: i) ian@mars.senecac.on.ca * * ii) ian@phobos.senecac.on.ca * ******************************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1992 16:41:41 CDT Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1992 17:38:43 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: MX MLF -> PMDF Fax To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: hardis@vax844.phy.nist.gov Message-ID: <0095B823.C12CE9C0.2009@vax844.phy.nist.gov> Here's my tale of woe: There are people who would like to join my mailing list who either don't have corporate EMail (yet) or who like EMail as much as a trip to the dentist. For them, I had the idea using the PMDF EMail->Fax feature, which we have running on another host on site. Two problems: 1) You can not ADD an address that has a space character in it. Specifically, '/FN=555-1212/AT=Jonathan Hardis/'@fax-it.nist.gov ^ 2) While such addresses (without spaces) work fine when you mail to them directly, the indirection through the mailing list screws something up. PMDF claims that the user part of the address (left of the '@') is not of proper form, even though it's the same as before. Does this ring any bells with anyone? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1992 11:32:36 CDT Message-ID: Date: 3 Jun 92 11:36:00 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Why is the From: header bad? To: "mx-list" I've just recently (yesterday) installed MX and I have been trying it out. I sent myself the following message from a node on the internet so I could see how inbound mail would work. Notice that it contains a warning that the From address is bad. Why would it be bad? A second question: I sent the message to myself to be received by another mailer, too and that mailer accepted the From address just fine. Can someone help me? By the way, why is the VMS Mail From address different from the From address in the headers? From: MX%"uunet!eisner.decus.org!TILLMAN@esseye.si.com" 2-JUN-1992 15:42:51.88 To: TILLMAN CC: Subj: Hello from DECUServe We'll see if this message gets through. One copy should show up for MX and one for WINS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from esseye.si.com by HEINHU (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Jun 1992 15:42:32 EDT Received: by esseye.si.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.25) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 92 15:43 EDT Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26132; Tue, 2 Jun 92 15:42:21 -0400 Received: from eisner.decus.org by eisner.decus.org (PMDF #12130) id <01GKQSRFI6M8000BU0@eisner.decus.org>; Tue, 2 Jun 1992 15:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 15:39 -0400 X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "From" header. From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries." Subject: Hello from DECUServe To: tillman@heinhu.si.com, tillman@benzie.si.com Message-ID: <01GKQSRFI6M8000BU0@eisner.decus.org> X-Organization: Digital Equipment Computer Users Society X-Vms-To: IN%"tillman@heinhu.si.com", TILLMAN ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1992 12:13:52 CDT Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1992 13:11:48 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: MX MLF -> PMDF Fax To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: hardis@vax844.phy.nist.gov Message-ID: <0095B8C7.A2387760.2094@vax844.phy.nist.gov> In Message <0095B823.C12CE9C0.2009@vax844.phy.nist.gov> I asked: > Two problems: > > 1) You can not ADD an address that has a space character in it. > Specifically, '/FN=555-1212/AT=Jonathan Hardis/'@fax-it.nist.gov > ^ > > 2) While such addresses (without spaces) work fine when you mail to them > directly, the indirection through the mailing list screws something > up. PMDF claims that the user part of the address (left of the '@') > is not of proper form, even though it's the same as before. Does this > ring any bells with anyone? In private mail, Matt Madison suggested the answer to both problems. The use of apostrophes is only appropriate on the MAIL> command line (that is, MX%"'name with spaces'@the.addr"). When using the ADD command you should use quotation marks (that is, <"name with spaces"@the.addr>). With this change, not only did ADD work, but PMDF liked the address as well. Thanks, Matt! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1992 16:43:01 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: (more) help installing MX? Message-ID: <1992Jun3.191431.10144@samba.oit.unc.edu> Date: 3 Jun 92 19:14:31 GMT Sender: usenet@samba.oit.unc.edu To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET I posted last week asking for help solving a %RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation error with my MX installation. Thanks to Dan Wing, who had exactly the right answer: the logical FLQ_DIR was incorrectly defined. Must have been something I said in the installation process, although I can't for the life of me figure out what. But I'd like to echo Dan's request to Hunter - can all the logicals in MX be modified to start with MX_? I spent two days looking at the MX_ logicals before I posted, figuring that was where my problem was. Thanks also to the others who responded - you all get another chance! Included below is a bounced mail message that MX should have picked up. Can anyone give me a hint what to fix now? I sent a test message from DRS@UNCVX1... to SHERMAN@TRLN.... I'm trying to get MX working on trln.lib.unc.edu. ------BEGIN INCLUDED, BOUNCED MESSAGE ------- agent" 3-JUN-1992 14:42:32.70 To: CC: Subj: SMTP delivery error Received: from TRLN [128.109.181.200] by uncvx1.oit.unc.edu with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 3 Jun 1992 14:40 EDT Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:42:05 EDT To: Subject: SMTP delivery error Note: this message was generated automatically. A problem occurred during SMTP delivery of your message. Error occurred sending to the following user(s): (via trln.lib.unc.edu): %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed Transcript: Rcvd: 220 TRLN MX V3.1A SMTP server ready at Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:42:00 EDT Sent: HELO TRLN Rcvd: 250 Hello, TRLN Sent: MAIL FROM: Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. Sent: RCPT TO: Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) Sent: DATA Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. Sent: QUIT Rcvd: 221 TRLN Service closing transmission channel ======================================================================== Message follows. Received: from TRLN by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:41:51 EDT Received: from TRLN by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:41:35 EDT Received: from TRLN by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:41:24 EDT Received: from TRLN by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:41:13 EDT Received: from TRLN by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:37:21 EDT Received: from TRLN by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:36:51 EDT Received: from TRLN by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:36:34 EDT Received: from uncvx1.oit.unc.edu by TRLN (MX V3.1A) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:36:19 EDT Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1992 14:34 EDT To: sherman@trln.lib.unc.edu Subject: test to sherman from uncvx1 ------- END INCLUDED, BOUNCED MESSAGE -------- Any hints? Thanks. VMS 5.4-3 UCX 1.3 *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Dennis R. Sherman Triangle Research Libraries Network * * dennis_sherman@unc.edu Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1992 17:46:01 CDT Subject: Re: (more) help installing MX? Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1992 21:13:19 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <1992Jun3.191431.10144@samba.oit.unc.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1992Jun3.191431.10144@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Dennis.Sherman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Dennis Sherman) writes: > Transcript: > Rcvd: 220 TRLN MX V3.1A SMTP server ready at Wed, 03 Jun 1992 14:42:00 EDT > Sent: HELO TRLN > Rcvd: 250 Hello, TRLN > Sent: MAIL FROM: > Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. > Sent: RCPT TO: > Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) > Sent: DATA > Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . > Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. > Sent: QUIT > Rcvd: 221 TRLN Service closing transmission channel You've got a loop probably caused by MX not realizing that "trln.lib.unc.edu" is supposed to be the local host. You can check this using the MCP SHOW PATH command. If it's not there, you should add it, either by re-configuring using MX_DIR:MXCONFIG.COM or by following this process: MCP> REMOVE PATH * MCP> DEFINE PATH "trln.lib.unc.edu" LOCAL MCP> DEFINE PATH * SMTP Save the new configuration, then shut down and restart MX (or at least the Router process). Just a RESET ROUTER may not work because there is a defect in the Router's initialization code, which will not be fixed until the next release of MX. -Matt -- Matthew Madison, Systems Programmer | Internet: madison@vms.ecs.rpi.edu Engineering Computing Services | Bitnet: MADISON@RPIECSVX Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, New York 12180-3590 USA | After 15 June 1992: madison@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1992 18:04:14 CDT Subject: Re: Why is the From: header bad? Message-ID: <0tfw9sd@rpi.edu> From: Date: 3 Jun 92 21:34:17 GMT Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article , "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" writes: >I've just recently (yesterday) installed MX and I have been trying it out. I >sent myself the following message from a node on the internet so I could see how >inbound mail would work. Notice that it contains a warning that the From >address is bad. Why would it be bad? [...] >X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "From" header. >From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries." > It's bad because it is not in RFC822 format -- which must be of the form . Your UUCP to SMTP gateway probably should have rewritten the address into 822 format. > A second question: I sent the message to >myself to be received by another mailer, too and that mailer accepted the From >address just fine. Can someone help me? Some mailers are more forgiving about address formats than MX. > By the way, why is the VMS Mail From >address different from the From address in the headers? Because the From address is invalid -- MX wouldn't know what to do with it if you used it to address outgoing mail. It instead used the Return-Path address (rather than using nothing at all). >From: MX%"uunet!eisner.decus.org!TILLMAN@esseye.si.com" 2-JUN-1992 [...] >Return-Path: -Matt -- Matthew Madison, Systems Programmer | Internet: madison@vms.ecs.rpi.edu Engineering Computing Services | Bitnet: MADISON@RPIECSVX Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, New York 12180-3590 USA | After 15 June 1992: madison@tgv.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1992 09:32:29 CDT Sender: JCAREY@jcarey.infores.com Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1992 10:30:53 EDT From: Jim Carey Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: JCAREY@jcarey.infores.com Message-ID: <0095B97A.516E0080.1@jcarey.infores.com> Subject: Naming conventions and mailers We're in the process of finalizing a naming convention for external addresses. Many people prefer to use '.' in the name, such as "jim.carey" vs "jim_carey". Is an address such as "jim.carey@infores.com" likely to confuse anything? Are dots in the user portion of the address significant? Jim Carey jcarey@jcarey.infores.com Information Resources ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1992 11:56:05 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: MX 3.1C local agent stopped with 'file not found' Message-ID: <1992Jun4.113153.6040@dayton.saic.com> Date: 4 Jun 92 11:31:53 EDT References: <1992Jun4.104222.6039@dayton.saic.com> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1992Jun4.104222.6039@dayton.saic.com>, ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake) writes: > I just came in this morning and found most of MX running. The local > delivery agent had died last night. The logfile just shows (exiting) at 2:46 > this morning. It did it again but I got some more information. Here are the files related to the problem message: Directory MX_DEVICE:[MX.QUEUE] 27862.HDR_INFO;2 1/3 3-JUN-1992 18:28:07.31 (RWED,RWED,,) 27862.HDR_INFO;1 1/3 3-JUN-1992 18:27:24.25 (RWED,RWED,,) 27862.MSG_TEXT;1 4/6 3-JUN-1992 18:27:24.40 (RWED,RWED,,) 27862.SRC_INFO;2 1/3 3-JUN-1992 18:28:07.92 (RWED,RWED,,) 27872.LOCAL_INFO;16 no such file Total of 5 files, 7/15 blocks. Now why this file decided to leave the system at 2:46 this morning, I'll never know. -Earle _____________________________________________________________________________ ____ ____ ___ Earle Ake /___ /___/ / / Science Applications International Corporation ____// / / /__ Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: ake@dayton.saic.com uucp: dayvb!ake SPAN: 28284::ake ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1992 11:56:21 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: MX 3.1C local agent stopped with 'file not found' Message-ID: <1992Jun4.104222.6039@dayton.saic.com> Date: 4 Jun 92 10:42:22 EDT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET I just came in this morning and found most of MX running. The local delivery agent had died last night. The logfile just shows (exiting) at 2:46 this morning. Accounting shows the following: DETACHED Process Termination ---------------------------- Username: MAILER UIC: [MAILER] Account: SYSTEM Finish time: 4-JUN-1992 02:46:36.28 Process ID: 20200162 Start time: 1-JUN-1992 17:07:52.26 Owner ID: Elapsed time: 2 09:38:44.02 Terminal name: Processor time: 0 00:07:09.30 Remote node addr: Priority: 4 Remote node name: Privilege <31-00>: 70598025 Remote ID: Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFB3 Queue entry: Final status code: 10018294 Queue name: Job name: Final status text: %RMS-F-FNF, file not found Page faults: 11757 Direct IO: 110855 Page fault reads: 44 Buffered IO: 10153 Peak working set: 1118 Volumes mounted: 0 Peak page file: 4398 Images executed: 1 This is MX 3.1C on VMS 5.4-2. Any ideas? Earle _____________________________________________________________________________ ____ ____ ___ Earle Ake /___ /___/ / / Science Applications International Corporation ____// / / /__ Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: ake@dayton.saic.com uucp: dayvb!ake SPAN: 28284::ake ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1992 15:52:55 CDT Sender: burnett@PANAM.BITNET Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1992 15:49:06 CDT From: "James F. Burnett--University of Texas-PanAm" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095B9A6.C5AC4980.28760@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU> Subject: LOCAL process died with "file not found" Hello MXers, I read a posting this morning by someone(I didn't save it) regarding the LOCAL process dying with a "file not found" error message. I'd never had that happen here, so I just made a mental note to remember it when reading future postings. But, lo and behold, at 13:58 CDT this afternoon, the same thing happened here. My LOCAL process on one of our nodes disappeared and when I looked in the accounting file I noticed the same error as the posting this morning: "file not found". Has anyone replied to the earlier posting with any information on this problem ? BTW, I shut down MX on that node and restarted it and so far, things look ok. We're running VMS 5.5 and MX 3.1. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + James F. Burnett INTERNET: PANAM.EDU + + Systems Programmer I BITNET : PANAM.BITNET + + University of Texas-Pan American Edinburg, TX (512)381-2561 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 01:13:10 CDT From: jenkirj@WKUVX1.BITNET Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Mail "answering" machine Message-ID: <1992Jun4.215835.1636@wkuvx1.bitnet> Date: 5 Jun 92 02:58:35 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET I have a friend who has been asked to write a simple program that when a person receives mail, that if that person is not logged on to send back a message to the sender to that effect. Simple, but neither he nor I understand what exactly mail does anyway....any ideas? Thanks, RJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 03:10:15 CDT Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 10:04:41 MEZ From: Peter Kobe Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List%WKUVX1.bitnet@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Message-ID: <0095BA3F.D304C960.11310@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Subject: RE: Mail "answering" machine >>I have a friend who has been asked to write a simple program that when a >>person >>receives mail, that if that person is not logged on to send back a message to >>the sender to that effect. Simple, but neither he nor I understand what >>exactly mail does anyway....any ideas? >>Thanks, >>RJ RJ Please stop this project immediately.!!! just think what will happen, if the sender sends a mail to a logged off receiver and will then log off himself. the mail bounces through the net. Still worse. For example this is a REPLY on yor message. It goes to a distribution list. every message you receive while beeing logged off is resent to the list. A horrible vision. Peter ===================================================================== Peter Kobe Internet: system@pib1.physik.uni-bonn.de Physikalisches Institut HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM Universitaet Bonn Tel: (49) 228 73 3222 D 53 Bonn ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 08:53:04 CDT Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 15:09:25 MEZ From: Peter Kobe Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List%WKUVX1.bitnet@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de CC: system@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de Message-ID: <0095BA6A.64E337C0.11606@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Subject: NONAME-E-NOMSG Hello, Using "$MX_EXE:MAILQUEUE" to observe the queue, some error messages are shown just by their message number. Does any one know, where to find the "translation" of these numbers? Example: Error count=2 Last error: %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 0863818A Peter ===================================================================== Peter Kobe Internet: system@pib1.physik.uni-bonn.de Physikalisches Institut HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM Universitaet Bonn Tel: (49) 228 73 3222 D 53 Bonn ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 08:53:16 CDT Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 09:49:48 EDT From: Mighty Firebreather Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: jenkirj@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BA3D.BF323DC0.189@nscvax.princeton.edu> Subject: RE: Mail "answering" machine > writes: > >I have a friend who has been asked to write a simple program that when a person >receives mail, that if that person is not logged on to send back a message to >the sender to that effect. Simple, but neither he nor I understand what >exactly mail does anyway....any ideas? > Please tell your friend "don't"!! If he must, to please exercise *extreme* care. If a user of your friend's program gets a message from this mailing list for instance, we will all be told "Sorry. Joe is not at his desk right now." Yuck! Imagine if the user subscribes to something like info-vax with 50,000 readers!!! There have been a few instances of something like this being turned loose on the net. On the whole, I think I'd rather have a virus or a worm! ************************************************************************* * * * Here, there be dragons! * * dragon@nscvax.princeton.edu * * * * Richard B. Gilbert * ************************************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 13:58:36 CDT From: Subject: Re: NONAME-E-NOMSG Message-ID: <1992Jun05.154456.148399@rrz.uni-koeln.de> Sender: (Usenet News System) Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET References: <0095BA6A.64E337C0.11606@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 92 15:44:56 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0095BA6A.64E337C0.11606@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de>, system@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de (Peter Kobe) writes: >Using "$MX_EXE:MAILQUEUE" to observe the queue, some error messages are >shown just by their message number. > >Does any one know, where to find the "translation" of these numbers? > >Example: > Error count=2 > Last error: %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 0863818A Obviously you are using CMU Tek as your IP transport. It defines its own error messages. A file named NETERROR.OBJ can be found elsewhere in the VMSINSTAL backup savesets. You can link it (I guess /SHARE - I can not remember) and place it in some directory. If you type $ SET MESSAGE NETERROR, VMS will translate for you the numbers into messages, i.e. DCL and all programs using the VMS error facility (like MCP and MAILQUEUE). Andreas. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | KOSMA = Koelner Observatorium fuer SubMillimeter-Astronomie | | Andreas Moravec TEL +49 (221) 470 3558 | | I. Physikalisches Institut FAX +49 (221) 470 5162 | | Universitaet zu Koeln TELEX 888 2291 UNIK D | | Zuelpicher Str. 77 | | 5000 Koeln 41, Germany INTERNET Moravec@Ph1.Uni-Koeln.De | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 16:32:02 CDT Sender: syssand@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1992 14:25:40 PDT From: "John F. Sandhoff" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: ake@dayton.saic.com, syssand@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU Message-ID: <0095BA64.48859E20.19290@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU> Subject: Re: MX 3.1C local agent stopped with 'file not found' >27872.LOCAL_INFO;16 > no such file Have you done an analyze/disk lately? John F. Sandhoff, University Network Support California State University, Sacramento sandhoff@csus.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1992 13:31:00 CDT Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1992 08:01:34 PST From: Carl J Lydick Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Bang paths Sender: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095B7D3.20C8C9E0.27970@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU> >Can MX's rewrite rules handle bang paths? If so, how would I specify such a >rule? MCP> DEF REWR "<{host}!{user}>" "" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1992 13:31:03 CDT Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1992 06:41:56 PST From: Carl J Lydick Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Naming conventions and mailers Sender: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095B95A.55EBCE00.28054@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU> >We're in the process of finalizing a naming convention for external >addresses. Many people prefer to use '.' in the name, such as >"jim.carey" vs "jim_carey". Is an address such as >"jim.carey@infores.com" likely to confuse anything? Are dots in the >user portion of the address significant? Such an address is perfectly legal and SHOULDN'T confuse anything. Dots in the user portion of the address are significant only in the sense that if you stick a dot in where it shouldn't be, or if you omit one, it won't match the real address and the mail will bounce. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 13:39:37 CDT Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 13:31:51 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU Message-ID: <0095BCB8.437DA5C0.66@heinhu.si.com> Subject: RE: Bang paths I'm not sure that what you gave me will work, because there can be many, many bangs in the path. How does the rule you gave me locate the correct values? For example, here is one bang path I'd like rewritten: esseye!uunet!ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!linus!phi labs!crpmks!billb I know where is in this, but where is ? -----------------------------+--------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@heinhu.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | 4141 Eastern Ave. MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+--------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 14:10:21 CDT Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 14:07:07 CDT From: "George D. Greenwade" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BCBD.30812AA0.31271@SHSU.edu> Subject: RE: Bang paths On Mon, 08 Jun 1992 13:31:51 EDT, "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" posted: > I'm not sure that what you gave me will work, because there can be many, > many bangs in the path. How does the rule you gave me locate the correct > values? This is a good question. I don't think the earlier answer provided for multiple bangs. However, I do not offer a solution. > For example, here is one bang path I'd like rewritten: > > esseye!uunet!ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate! > linus!philabs!crpmks!billb > > I know where is in this, but where is ? (I think). The first part of the bang is the host, the last part the username. --George ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 20:58:56 CDT From: roseberry@uscghq.uucp Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: MX_UUCP_REWRITE and MCP REWRITE_RULE Message-ID: <1992Jun8.195925.37@uscghq.uucp> Date: 8 Jun 92 19:59:25 EST To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET MX 3.1C has DEFINE MX_UUCP_REWRITE so it can use the UUCP rewrite rules. It will only use the [INBOUND-FROM] and [INBOUND-TO] rules ? Is MCP's REWRITE_RULEs also used when MX_UUCP_REWRITE is defined ? Thanks. - Bert Roseberry US Coast Guard roseberry%uscghq@uunet.uu.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 22:48:40 CDT Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 19:40:53 PST From: Carl J Lydick Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Bang paths Sender: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BCEB.D08E2240.28261@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU> >> I'm not sure that what you gave me will work, because there can be many, >> many bangs in the path. How does the rule you gave me locate the correct >> values? >This is a good question. I don't think the earlier answer provided for >multiple bangs. However, I do not offer a solution. >> For example, here is one bang path I'd like rewritten: >> >> esseye!uunet!ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate! >> linus!philabs!crpmks!billb >> >> I know where is in this, but where is ? > (I think). The first part of the bang is the >host, the last part the username. No, you'd want billb%crpmks@uunet.uu.net. You'd get this, I think, with the rewrite rule: Def Rewr "<{bangpath}!{host}!{user}" "<{user}%{host}@uunet.uu.net>" or you might want: Def Rewr "<{bangpath}!{host}!{user}" "<{host}!{user}@uunet.uu.net>" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 07:31:29 CDT Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 08:50:19 EDT From: Matthias Clausen DESY -KRYK- / D-Hamburg Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@RPIECSVX.BITNET CC: claus@heracc.desy.de Message-ID: <0095BD5A.195B2E00.40@heracc.desy.de> Subject: Subscribe to the List /SUBSCRIBE SUBSCRIBE ---------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Clausen Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron Gruppe: KRYK DESY/Hamburg, Germany ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 08:07:55 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Bang paths Message-ID: <1992Jun9.112310.1969@lsl.co.uk> Date: 9 Jun 92 10:23:10 GMT References: <0095BCBD.30812AA0.31271@SHSU.edu> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0095BCBD.30812AA0.31271@SHSU.edu>, bed_gdg@SHSU.BITNET (George D. Greenwade) writes: > On Mon, 08 Jun 1992 13:31:51 EDT, "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" > posted: >>[...] >> esseye!uunet!ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate! >> linus!philabs!crpmks!billb >> >> I know where is in this, but where is ? > > (I think). The first part of the bang is the > host, the last part the username. No. Bang paths are read left to right, just like (e.g., English) text. So that path says "route to esseye, thence to uunet, thence to ..., thence to crpmks, where you'll find the user billb". A smart mailer (such as MX) can't in general do better than pass the whole beastly lot on to esseye and assume it knows what to do. A rule for that would treat `esseye' as the host, and uunet! ... !billb as the user. An extremely smart mailer (cl.cam.ac.uk, just down the road from here, used to do this - I don't know if it still does) can sit in a "Rodin's `Thinker'" posture for a bit, establish which of the addresses on the path it has a better way to, and re-arrange the whole blooming thing. -- Robin Fairbairns, Senior Consultant, postmaster and general dogsbody Laser-Scan Ltd., Science Park, Milton Rd., Cambridge CB4 4FY, UK Email: robin@lsl.co.uk --or-- rf@cl.cam.ac.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 08:08:11 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: MX_UUCP_REWRITE and MCP REWRITE_RULE Message-ID: <1992Jun9.080138.6047@dayton.saic.com> Date: 9 Jun 92 08:01:38 EDT References: <1992Jun8.195925.37@uscghq.uucp> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1992Jun8.195925.37@uscghq.uucp>, roseberry@uscghq.uucp writes: > > MX 3.1C has DEFINE MX_UUCP_REWRITE so it can use the UUCP > rewrite rules. > > It will only use the [INBOUND-FROM] and [INBOUND-TO] rules ? > > Is MCP's REWRITE_RULEs also used when MX_UUCP_REWRITE is defined ? I was the one who suggested this to Matt so I will explain. Previously you could not use the inbound- rules if you used DECUS UUCP and MX. The only time the inbound rules are consulted is when a mail message is handled by the 'mail/protocol=uucp_mailshr' statement. This is bypassed when using MX and replaced by the call to mx_rmail. There might be reason to fix up a bad return address and now this can be done via the mail rewrite rules for DECUS UUCP. If you are wondering, the outbound rules only apply when you use the UUCP mailer from within mail as in uucp%"user@host". This is also bypassed if you are now using the MX% format exclusively. > Thanks. > > - Bert Roseberry > US Coast Guard > > roseberry%uscghq@uunet.uu.net If I was given your return address in the above form and I was also a bitnet site, I might want to add in a ".UUCP" portion to messages coming in from uunet or might want to strip out the uunet portion so the return message would take the cheapest route back and not be forced to use uunet. For message routing purposes, I would rather use "roseberry@uscghq.uucp" than "roseberry%uscghq@uunet.uu.net". -Earle _____________________________________________________________________________ ____ ____ ___ Earle Ake /___ /___/ / / Science Applications International Corporation ____// / / /__ Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: ake@dayton.saic.com uucp: dayvb!ake SPAN: 28284::ake ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 09:35:04 CDT Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 09:30:53 CDT From: "George D. Greenwade" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BD5F.C43D9240.1758@SHSU.edu> Subject: RE: Bang paths On 9 Jun 92 10:23:10 GMT, Robin Fairbairns posted: >> esseye!uunet!ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate! >> linus!philabs!crpmks!billb > > No. Bang paths are read left to right, just like (e.g., English) text. So > that path says "route to esseye, thence to uunet, thence to ..., thence to > crpmks, where you'll find the user billb". Right..... Stupidity on my part to not look closer. Sorry 8< --George ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 15:17:30 CDT Message-ID: Date: 9 Jun 92 15:29:00 EST From: "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Bang paths To: "mx-list" OK, if bang paths are read left-to-right, why can I usually take the very last thing in the path (after the last bang) put it in front of the second to last thing, put an @ between and mail successfully? i.e. Suppose I received a message with the following return-path: esseye!uunet!pucc.Princeton.EDU!FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET I can change this to FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU and it will mail just fine. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 15:55:34 CDT Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 12:45:04 PST From: Carl J Lydick Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Bang paths Sender: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BD7A.E49F6980.28351@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU> >OK, if bang paths are read left-to-right, why can I usually take the very last >thing in the path (after the last bang) put it in front of the second to last >thing, put an @ between and mail successfully? i.e. Suppose I received a >message with the following return-path: >esseye!uunet!pucc.Princeton.EDU!FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET >I can change this to >FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU >and it will mail just fine. Because they ARE read from left to right. The first element is the first host to send to. The second element is the host that the first host will forward to, .... When there's only one element left in the bang path, that's the user to deliver to. In your example, using the canonical technique for processing bang paths: 1) Your node, benzie.si.com, would strip the essye from the beginning of the address and send it to UUNET with the address: uunet!pucc.Princeton.EDU!FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET 2) ESSYE would strip the uunet from the address and send it to uunet with the address: pucc.Princeton.EDU!FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET 3) UUNET would strip the pucc.Princeton.EDU from the address and send it to pucc.Princeton.EDU with the address: FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET 4) pucc.Princeton.EDU would see that it's no longer a bangpath, and process FAUCONNE%FRSIM5.BITNET as the final address (it would also note the % in the address and translate it to an @, and hence send it to FRSIMI5.BITNET for delivery to FAUCONNE) By converting the address to FAUCONNE%FRSIM51.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU, you skip steps 1-3. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 22:50:11 CDT Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 21:37:50 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BDC5.51D97320.91@heinhu.si.com> Subject: Starting MX from SYSMAN Typically, we start layered products from SYSMAN's startup databse, as opposed to placing the startup files for the products in SYSTARTUP_V5.COM. Now, I noticed in the MX manuals that MX should be started after UCX, which is the transport we're using. So, I added MX_STARTUP.COM to the startup database after the UCX$STARTUP.COM file. MX would not start that way. It complained about not being able to find MX_STARTUP_INFO.DAT. Why would MX not be able to find this file when run from the startup database? Remember that things started from the startup database run after SYSTARTUP_V5.COM is finished, so all definitions and such should be available. -----------------------------+--------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@heinhu.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | 4141 Eastern Ave. MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+--------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 11:21:02 CDT Sender: whitman@chem.nrl.navy.mil Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 12:17:00 EDT From: whitman@chem.nrl.navy.mil Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BE40.232995C0.2380@chem.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: POP server for VMS I would like to use POPMAIL to check my mail on the local VAX running VMS. I am looking for a POP server for VMS that follows the POP2 or POP3 protocols. Does anyone know where I might find one? Thanks. Lloyd Whitman Naval Research Laboratory ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 12:01:44 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Message-ID: <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 16:50:23 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To all of those who receive this message via mail rather than news: I have just been made aware that messages are coming into the mail<==>news gateway with what news considers to be non-standard timezones. The most recent example had a timezone of MEZ. Many news systems have now configured themselves to parse dates as a means of reducing the problem that happens when some site suddenly blasts a bunch of old news messages out on the network. Messages with unknown timezones are considered unparsable and are dropped by those systems (which means users on those systems never see your message). The best fix would be to have your mailer configured to use numeric offset timezones rather than alphabetic ones (for example, use +0100 instead of WET). The second option would be to have your mailer use a date that has already been converted to GMT. If neither of these is practical, and you are outside of the United States, you are welcome to send me a mail message containing the timezone(s) that your mailer uses, what the name of the timezone is, and what its offset from GMT is. An example would be: ADT Atlantic Daylight -0300 AST Atlantic Standard -0400 I am going to modify the mail<==>news gateway software to convert dates to GMT and will add any such timezones I receive to the list of timezones understood by the conversion software (which currently numbers slightly more than 50). Note that I already have all valid timezones used within the U.S. Sincerely, Mark Berryman Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com mail <==> news gateway administrator ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 16:49:55 CDT Message-ID: <9206102137.AA13287@etu2.educ.ucalgary.ca> Date: 10 Jun 92 00:45:12 From: glarwill@educ.ucalgary.ca Subject: TEst message... Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Sender: glarwill@educ.ucalgary.ca Stupid test message... Sorry if it gets into the net.... Glen L. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 02:23:05 CDT Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 09:15:09 MEZ From: Peter Kobe Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BEEF.E6417B40.13866@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Subject: Domain name resolution Hello, I use MX on top of CMUtek. I am not an IP guru and so a question of name serving arises. I find a MX message beeing rejected as show below: ( Thanks to Matthew Madison pointing out where to find the 86... error code. Sorry, I didn't read the JOY of TEK thoroughly enough) Entry: 13634, Origin: [Local] Status: IN-PROGRESS SMTP entry #13635, status: READY Waiting for retry until: 11-JUN-1992 08:23:31.31 Recipient #1: , Route=sovamsu.sovusa.com Error count=27 Last error: %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 0863818A Using Orchards Domain Name Server, I find, that sovamsu.sovusa.com has no Internet address but a mailbox. Does that mean, that MX tries to send the message to the address given and not to the mailbox which is given by the name server(s) ? How do I handle these cases? Here the PHOTO session: %PHOTO-I-STARTED, PHOTO V1.0-003, recording started 11-JUN-1992 08:27:53 PIB3_$ IPNCP hostnam sovamsu.sovusa.com %IPACP-E-DSSRVERR, Domain service: domain server error Host 'SOVAMSU.SOVUSA.COM' Full Name = '' %IPACP-E-DSNAMERR, Domain service: name error (no such name) PIB3_$ domain/l Lookup> set /server=work1.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Lookup> lookup sovamsu.sovusa.com Lookup> lookup sovamsu.sovusa.com/type=any SOVAMSU.SOVUSA.COM MX IN 537283 10 fernwood.mpk.ca.us SOVUSA.COM NS IN 105268 FERNWOOD.MPK.CA.US SOVUSA.COM NS IN 105268 HERCULES.CSL.SRI.COM SOVUSA.COM NS IN 105268 UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM fernwood.mpk.ca.us A IN 537283 130.93.1.2 fernwood.mpk.ca.us A IN 190830 130.93.2.1 HERCULES.CSL.SRI.COM A IN 105268 192.12.33.51 UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM A IN 125382 16.1.0.18 Lookup> Regards Peter ===================================================================== Peter Kobe Internet: system@pib1.physik.uni-bonn.de Physikalisches Institut HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM Universitaet Bonn Tel: (49) 228 73 3222 D 53 Bonn ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 02:39:07 CDT Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 09:31:06 MEZ From: Peter Kobe Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List%WKUVX1.bitnet@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Message-ID: <0095BEF2.2056A4C0.13874@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de> Subject: RE: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Marc, the world is more colourfull than one can imagine. And so there are people, who have a native language, which is English/American. MEZ is used in German and stands for "Mitteleuropaeische Zeit", which translates to mideuropean time. Usually, this is one hour ahead of GMT. Peter ===================================================================== Peter Kobe Internet: system@pib1.physik.uni-bonn.de Physikalisches Institut HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM Universitaet Bonn Tel: (49) 228 73 3222 D 53 Bonn ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 03:56:36 CDT Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 10:48:48 EDT From: Matthias Clausen DESY -KRYK- / D-Hamburg Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@RPIECSVX.BITNET CC: claus@heracc.desy.de Message-ID: <0095BEFC.FB6F5020.251@heracc.desy.de> Subject: MX and FAX I have just started to use MX. I would be interested in a FAX gateway over MX. Does anybody know about such software? Thanks for replies. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Clausen Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron Gruppe: KRYK DESY/Hamburg, Germany ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 04:51:23 CDT Subject: Re: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Message-ID: <1992Jun11.195648.1772@zl2tnm.gen.nz> From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: 11 Jun 92 19:56:48 +1200 References: <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com (MUMPS Wizard) writes: > The best fix would be to have your mailer configured to use numeric offset > timezones rather than alphabetic ones (for example, use +0100 instead of WET). > The second option would be to have your mailer use a date that has already > been converted to GMT. It's actually the _only_ fix mandated by the RFCs (I can quote chapter & verse if necessary). Mnemonic timezones apart from the [PMCE][SD]T zones are not valid, and newsreaders & mailers can drop messages containing non-conforming dates at will. If you're generating mail and/or (especially) news with invalid dates, somebody out there will be dropping it. > I am going to modify the mail<==>news gateway software to convert dates to GMT You shouldn't need to do this. It's probably a better idea to automatically send mail back to the originator site, maybe CC to Postmaster@offending.site, pointing out the bad headers and suggesting that if they want to be sure of getting mail/news through to anywhere they should fix their timezone. Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555) don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home) Network Manager, Computing Services Centre don@vuw.ac.nz (work) Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand +64-4-495-5052 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 04:51:30 CDT Sender: jjleje@licr.ucl.ac.be Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 10:06:29 EDT From: Jo Lejeune Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BEF7.11EE09A0.14684@licr.ucl.ac.be> Subject: RE: POP server for VMS >I would like to use POPMAIL to check my mail on the local VAX >running VMS. I am looking for a POP server for VMS that follows >the POP2 or POP3 protocols. Does anyone know where I might find >one? Thanks. There exists a VMS POP3 server developed by the Indiana University. IUPOP3 support includes WIN/TCP, MULTINET and UCX . The CMU/TEK support has been added by Andrew Greer Subject: IUPOP3 V1.7 IUPOP3 Version 1.7 is now available for anonymous ftp on logos.ucs.indiana.edu (129.79.16.150). Look in either of these directories: /pub/iupop3/v1.7/files - individual files /pub/iupop3/v1.7/vms_share - VMS_SHARE format Like the previous version, 1.6a, it is compatible with Digital's UCX, TGV's Multinet, and Wollongong's WIN/TCP for VMS. Version 1.7 is primarily a maintenance release; it fixes a few minor bugs, and one serious bug (luckily encountered at only two sites!). It also has a few new features. The README.TXT that accompanies the distribution briefly describes these changes. A special thanks to the sites that beta tested with us over the past two months. As always, please let us know if you have questions, problems, or comments about IUPOP3. Send Internet mail to iupop3@indiana.edu or Bitnet mail to IUPOP3@IUGATE. P.S. If you no longer wish to be notified of IUPOP3 updates, please let us know and we'll remove you from this mailing list. P.P.S. As we do not have CMU-TEK TCP/IP on any machines at IU, we have not incorporated support for this into Version 1.7. However, we have asked Andrew Greer (Andrew.Greer@vuw.ac.nz) to once again graciously provide a set of patches, as he volunteered to do with Version 1.6a. We'll gladly make those patches available when we receive them, probably a few weeks from now. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 08:50:00 EST From: larry hughes Subject: IUPOP3 V1.7 for CMU-TEK TCP/IP A set of diffs for IUPOP3 Version 1.7, to make it work with CMU-TEK TCP/IP, are now available for anonymous ftp on logos.ucs.indiana.edu (129.79.16.150). Look in /pub/iupop3/v1.7-CMU-TEK. Many thanks to Andrew Greer Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: more help w/ installation Message-ID: <1992Jun11.151227.11503@samba.oit.unc.edu> Date: 11 Jun 92 15:12:27 GMT Sender: usenet@samba.oit.unc.edu To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET I'm still having trouble getting MX to work on our machine. I asked for some help last week solving what looks like a looping problem, but the answers I received don't seem to solve it. So, here we go again, with more detail: VAXStation 3800; VMS 5.4-3; UCX 1.3 MX 3.1C (I've upgraded to rev. C hoping it would help...) Outgoing mail appears to work. Incoming mail is another story. Here's portions (I hope the relevant ones :-) of a bounced message: A problem occurred during SMTP delivery of your message. Error occurred sending to the following user(s): (via trln.lib.unc.edu): %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed Transcript: Rcvd: 220 trln.lib.unc.edu MX V3.1C SMTP server ready at Wed, 10 Jun 1992 16:20:50 EDT Sent: HELO trln.lib.unc.edu Rcvd: 250 Hello, trln.lib.unc.edu Sent: MAIL FROM: Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. Sent: RCPT TO: Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) Sent: DATA Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. Sent: QUIT Rcvd: 221 trln.lib.unc.edu Service closing transmission channel -------- followed by lots of: Received: from trln.lib.unc.edu by trln.lib.unc.edu (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Jun 1992 16:20:03 EDT with different times. The suggestions I got involved being sure the local host path was defined. I think it is: MCP> show paths Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="trln.lib.unc.edu", Path=Local Domain="trln", Path=Local Domain="[128.109.181.200]", Path=Local Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*", Path=SMTP Also, the number of IOs indicated by a SHOW SYS seems extraordinarily high to me - but that may be because we're still new to VMS and don't really know what we're doing yet... :-) Anyway, 000002E5 SHERMAN CUR 4 13672 0 00:00:26.20 4790 302 00000226 MX Router LEF 5 910669 0 00:41:05.42 3853 2735 00000167 MX Local HIB 5 246090 0 00:07:34.22 252 166 000001E8 MX SMTP COM 4 7599338 0 02:05:26.93 1131 1455 0000022A SMTP Server LEF 5 653211 0 01:54:00.21 1303 1547 These numbers are with MX having been running for about 24 hours now. (And me being logged in for about 4 hours) I'm more or less convinced I've missed something comparatively simple and basic, along the lines of something being case sensitive that I didn't expect. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. Dennis R. Sherman Triangle Research Libraries Network dennis_sherman@unc.edu Chapel Hill, NC -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 11:46:49 CDT Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 11:48:31 EDT From: "Brian Tillman, Facilities, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095BF05.530D25C0.189@heinhu.si.com> Subject: FWD: problem with MX I've been successfully using MX now for about a week. It seems to be working well. Now, all of a sudden, a collegue starts using it and get's the following error. Could you please help me figure out what's going on? From: SWDEV::MCPHERSON "Facilities - x7458" 11-JUN-1992 09:32:51.32 To: BRIAN CC: Subj: problem with MX From: MX%"X-400-MAILER-DAEMON@mailtalk.si.com" 9-JUN-1992 17:10:39.07 To: MCPHERSON CC: Subj: RETURNED MAIL ------------------------------------------------- The following message was not delivered because: syntax error in line From: Facilities - x7458 -------- Unsent Message Follows ----------------- Received: from heinhu.si.com by mailtalk.si.com (5.61/1.4) with SMTP id AA00367; Tue, 9 Jun 92 21:04:14 GMT Received: by heinhu.si.com (MX V3.1C) id 82; Tue, 09 Jun 1992 16:38:49 EDT Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1992 16:38:45 EDT From: Facilities - x7458 To: mcpherson_kent@mailtalk.si.com Message-Id: <0095BD9B.898BAA60.82@heinhu.si.com> Subject: Test 3 This is a test of MX. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from mailtalk.si.com by HEINHU (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; Tue, 09 Jun 1992 17:10:28 EDT Received: by mailtalk.si.com (5.61/1.4) id AA00371; Tue, 9 Jun 92 21:04:20 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Jun 92 21:04:20 GMT Message-ID: <9206092104.AA00371@mailtalk.si.com> From: X-400-MAILER-DAEMON@mailtalk.si.com (X-400 MAIL Delivery GateWay) To: mcpherson@heinhu.si.com Subject: RETURNED MAIL -----------------------------+--------------------------------- Brian Tillman | Internet: tillman@heinhu.si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. | 4141 Eastern Ave. MS129 | Hey, I said this stuff myself. Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it. -----------------------------+--------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 11:58:40 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Date: 11 Jun 1992 16:13:23 GMT Message-ID: <117u33INNqiv@early-bird.think.com> References: <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM> <1992Jun11.195648.1772@zl2tnm.gen.nz> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1992Jun11.195648.1772@zl2tnm.gen.nz> don@zl2tnm.gen.nz writes: >In article <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com (MUMPS Wizard) writes: >> I am going to modify the mail<==>news gateway software to convert dates to GMT > >You shouldn't need to do this. It's probably a better idea to >automatically send mail back to the originator site, maybe CC to >Postmaster@offending.site, pointing out the bad headers and suggesting >that if they want to be sure of getting mail/news through to anywhere >they should fix their timezone. No, Mark had the right idea to begin with. Remember the Golden Rule of Networking: Be liberal in what you accept, conservative in what you send. A gateway that recognizes common incorrect formats and corrects them before forwarding them is a perfect example of this. Simply rejecting the messages is just going to frustrate the users, because it's not likely that the system manager will be able to replace the software very quickly. The gateway service shouldn't hold the users hostage waiting for this fix when it can easily deal with the problem itself. What he could do is convert the dates and *also* send a message to the originating site. However, if he's going to do this, he should keep track of which sites have been notified so that he doesn't send repeated warnings. Without this, if a site has several hundred users sending mail through the gateway, the postmaster would be inundated with warnings, probably preventing him from doing his job. -- Barry Margolin System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp. barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 12:28:31 CDT Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 13:24:17 EDT From: "Edward J. Groth" Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET CC: groth@PUPGG.PRINCETON.EDU Message-ID: <0095BF12.B40DAF40.6436@PUPGG.PRINCETON.EDU> Subject: RE: more help w/ installation > From: MX%"MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET" 11-JUN-1992 12:34:30.12 > To: GROTH > CC: > Subj: more help w/ installation > > Return-Path: <@PUPGG.PRINCETON.EDU,@UKCC.uky.edu:list-mgr@WKUVX1.BITNET> > Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by PUPGG.PRINCETON.EDU (MX V2.3-1) with SMTP; Thu, > 11 Jun 1992 12:34:25 EDT > Received: from ukcc.uky.edu by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id > 9289; Thu, 11 Jun 92 12:31:54 EST > Received: from UKCC by ukcc.uky.edu (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 3420; Thu, 11 > Jun 92 12:30:30 EST > Received: from WKUVX1.BITNET by ukcc.uky.edu (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 3283; > Thu, 11 Jun 92 12:28:39 EST > Errors-To: list-mgr@WKUVX1.BITNET > X-ListName: Message Exchange Discussion List > Received: from CUNYVM.BITNET (MAILER) by WKUVX1 (MX V3.1C) with BSMTP; Thu, 11 > Jun 1992 11:26:29 CDT > Received: from CUNYVM by CUNYVM.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 0344; Thu, > 11 Jun 92 12:23:55 EDT > Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; > Thu, 11 Jun 92 12:23:37 EDT > From: > Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET > X-Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx > Subject: more help w/ installation > Message-ID: <1992Jun11.151227.11503@samba.oit.unc.edu> > Date: 11 Jun 92 15:12:27 GMT > Sender: usenet@samba.oit.unc.edu > Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service > Lines: 80 > Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu > To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET > X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET > > > I'm still having trouble getting MX to work on our machine. I > asked for some help last week solving what looks like a looping > problem, but the answers I received don't seem to solve it. So, > here we go again, with more detail: > > VAXStation 3800; VMS 5.4-3; UCX 1.3 > MX 3.1C (I've upgraded to rev. C hoping it would help...) > > Outgoing mail appears to work. Incoming mail is another story. > Here's portions (I hope the relevant ones :-) of a bounced > message: > > A problem occurred during SMTP delivery of your message. > > Error occurred sending to the following user(s): > (via trln.lib.unc.edu): > %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed > > Transcript: > Rcvd: 220 trln.lib.unc.edu MX V3.1C SMTP server ready at Wed, 10 Jun > 1992 16:20:50 EDT > Sent: HELO trln.lib.unc.edu > Rcvd: 250 Hello, trln.lib.unc.edu > Sent: MAIL FROM: > Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted. > Sent: RCPT TO: > Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form) > Sent: DATA > Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with . > Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host. > Sent: QUIT > Rcvd: 221 trln.lib.unc.edu Service closing transmission channel > > -------- > followed by lots of: > Received: from trln.lib.unc.edu by trln.lib.unc.edu (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; > Wed, 10 Jun 1992 16:20:03 EDT > > with different times. > > The suggestions I got involved being sure the local host > path was defined. I think it is: > > MCP> show paths > > Domain-to-path mappings: > Domain="trln.lib.unc.edu", Path=Local > Domain="trln", Path=Local > Domain="[128.109.181.200]", Path=Local > Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" > Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" > Domain="*", Path=SMTP > > Also, the number of IOs indicated by a SHOW SYS seems extraordinarily > high to me - but that may be because we're still new to VMS and don't > really know what we're doing yet... :-) Anyway, > > 000002E5 SHERMAN CUR 4 13672 0 00:00:26.20 4790 302 > 00000226 MX Router LEF 5 910669 0 00:41:05.42 3853 2735 > 00000167 MX Local HIB 5 246090 0 00:07:34.22 252 166 > 000001E8 MX SMTP COM 4 7599338 0 02:05:26.93 1131 1455 > 0000022A SMTP Server LEF 5 653211 0 01:54:00.21 1303 1547 > > These numbers are with MX having been running for about 24 hours now. (And > me being logged in for about 4 hours) > > I'm more or less convinced I've missed something comparatively simple > and basic, along the lines of something being case sensitive that I > didn't expect. Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Dennis R. Sherman Triangle Research Libraries Network > dennis_sherman@unc.edu Chapel Hill, NC > -- > The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of > North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information > Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. > internet: bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 Dennis - How is your ucx host name defined? It must be the fully qualified name: trln.lib.unc.edu, not trln. - Ed /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Edward J. Groth | Phone: 609-258-4361 | | Physics Dept., Jadwin Hall | Fax: 609-258-1124 | | Princeton University | SPAN/HEPNET: PUPGG::GROTH=44117::GROTH | | Princeton, NJ 08544 | Internet: groth@pupgg.princeton.edu | \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 14:04:13 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: more help w/ installation Message-ID: <1992Jun11.183009.17619@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: 11 Jun 92 18:30:09 GMT References: <1992Jun11.151227.11503@samba.oit.unc.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In <1992Jun11.151227.11503@samba.oit.unc.edu> Dennis.Sherman@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes: > > I'm still having trouble getting MX to work on our machine. I > asked for some help last week solving what looks like a looping > problem, but the answers I received don't seem to solve it. So, > here we go again, with more detail: Two things: First, make sure that you used your fully qualified domain name when you configured UCX. So, when you ran UCX$CONFIG, and it asked you for your host name, you should have given it a host name something like: bigvax.stateu.edu NOT just "bigvax". (The UCX install docs are muzzy on this, leading to problems for several folks.) Second, when all else has failed, do the following. Find out where MX defines the logical SITE_DOM_EXPANSION, and comment it out. Kill it. You may have to go into the MX startup procedures to do this (I did in MX 3.0 - I haven't installed 3.1 yet.) For some reasons, in some UCX sites (but not all) using the site domain expander will cause untold problems - problems which sounded a lot like yours. In my case, and in the case of those few other folks, removing that logical did the trick. Good luck... --- Jim Gaynor - System Analyst Internet: gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu Ohio State University - ACS/FMS Phone: Voice 614/292-4338 - FAX 614/292-7443 ObDiscl: Everything stated here and above is _my_ opinion. Mine mine mine! ObQuote: "We need bigger guns. Big, big guns" Det. Dick Derkin, "Split Second" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 05:11:24 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Message-ID: <1992Jun12.101804.2018@lsl.co.uk> Date: 12 Jun 92 09:18:04 GMT References: <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM> <1992Jun11.195648.1772@zl2tnm.gen.nz> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <1992Jun11.195648.1772@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, don@zl2tnm.gen.nz writes: > In article <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com (MUMPS Wizard) writes: >[...] > It's actually the _only_ fix mandated by the RFCs (I can quote chapter & > Mnemonic timezones apart from the [PMCE][SD]T zones > are not valid, and newsreaders & mailers can drop messages containing > non-conforming dates at will. A minor nit: GMT (which you implied earlier in your message _is_ valid) is also a timezone. For example, we run on it here for the non-summer period of the year (not winter, just non-summer :-). -- Robin Fairbairns, Senior Consultant, postmaster and general dogsbody Laser-Scan Ltd., Science Park, Milton Rd., Cambridge CB4 4FY, UK Email: robin@lsl.co.uk --or-- rf@cl.cam.ac.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 10:18:33 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Message-ID: Sender: usenet@twinsun.com References: <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM> <1992Jun11.195648.1772@zl2tnm.gen.nz> <117u33INNqiv@early-bird.think.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 13:45:14 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com (MUMPS Wizard) writes: > I am going to modify the mail<==>news gateway software to convert dates to GMT don@zl2tnm.gen.nz writes: >You shouldn't need to do this. barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes: >No, Mark had the right idea to begin with. Remember the Golden Rule of >Networking: Be liberal in what you accept, conservative in what you send. There are good arguments against being liberal in this particular case. The set of time zone names is constantly changing, which will give Mark one more thing to maintain. And there's no way to handle ambiguous names like BST, IST, and SST without introducing errors and possibly even offending residents of losing timezones. Were I in Mark's shoes, I'd think twice before rewriting Date: lines. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 12:46:40 CDT Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 18:45:30 EDT From: Herve CHOPLIN - UNIVERSITE FRANCOIS RABELAIS - TOURS Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET To: mx-list@WKUVX1.BITNET Message-ID: <0095C008.BDF96FC0.11874@FRUTRS51> Subject: Timezones Hello, I am European and i am working 16 years ago in Astronomical Observatory of Paris and i use the legal term of UTC (Universal Time Coordinated) according with the BIH (Bureau International de l'Heure) and ITU (International Telecomunication Union). In my timezone MDM_TIMEZONE of MX i use UTC+2 to say the time UTC plus 2 hours and JNET use the timezone +HHMM to correct the errors in RFC822 military document for non-american users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herve CHOPLIN (System Manager and Node Administrator) UNIVERSITY FRANCOIS RABELAIS Computing Center (Bat. D) Parc de Grandmont 37200 TOURS FRANCE _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Phone: (33).47.36.69.03 E-mail: EARN/BITNET: CHOPLIN@FRUTRS51.BITNET X400: C=FR;AD=ATLAS;PR=UNIV-TOURS;S=CHOPLIN INTERNET: CHOPLIN@UNIV-TOURS.FR VMS PSI_MAIL: PSI%(2080)3708047411::CHOPLIN VMS DecNet (EDUnet): RABLAI::CHOPLIN or 51410::CHOPLIN (node 50.210) Fax : (33).47.36.69.02 **************************************************************************** LA TOURAINE, JARDIN DE FRANCE - THE TOURAINE, GARDEN OF FRANCE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 18:18:41 CDT From: stellanl@vaxkab.lne.kth.se Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Message-ID: <1992Jun12.214050.13897@kth.se> Sender: (Usenet) References: <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 21:40:50 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET --In article <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com (MUMPS Wizard) writes: |>The best fix would be to have your mailer configured to use numeric |>offset |>timezones rather than alphabetic ones (for example, use +0100 instead |>of WET). Just a question on timezones: I have seen this zone before, in Multinet, where it preceded MET/CET (given as +2000). Yet everybody around here thinks we are in MET, and here is positively +1000. So why the WET? Where is it, and who said so? --- Stellan Lagerstrom, VMS system manager, School of E.E. --- Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 22:33:57 CDT Subject: Different host names of Mail list replys Message-ID: <1992Jun12.212351.178@kahuna.asd-yf.wpafb.af.mil> From: nieland_t@kahuna.asd-yf.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Date: 12 Jun 92 21:23:51 EST To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Is there a way to have a mail list use a reply-to address with something other than the normal host name? I have some aliases set up for this hosts that I would like to use on some mailing lists while using other host names on other groups. (Different host names are used for politcal reasons.) -- Ted Nieland nieland_t@kahuna.asd-yf.wpafb.af.mil (513) 476-4639 nieland@ted.hcst.com Hassler Communications Systems Technology ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1992 19:20:42 CDT From: Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Timezones Message-ID: <1992Jun15.000816.2029@lsl.co.uk> Date: 14 Jun 92 23:08:16 GMT References: <0095C008.BDF96FC0.11874@FRUTRS51> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET In article <0095C008.BDF96FC0.11874@FRUTRS51>, Herve CHOPLIN - UNIVERSITE FRANCOIS RABELAIS - TOURS writes: [and I really _did_ want to mail this to him, just that I couldn't] > I am European Me too, despite what my government might say (I didn't vote for them ;-) > and i am working 16 years ago in Astronomical Observatory of > Paris and i use the legal term of UTC (Universal Time Coordinated) according > with the BIH (Bureau International de l'Heure) and ITU (International > Telecomunication Union). In my timezone MDM_TIMEZONE of MX i use UTC+2 to > say the time UTC plus 2 hours and JNET use the timezone +HHMM to correct > the errors in RFC822 military document for non-american users. You should remember that we're working to American RFCs, not to international or even European standards. Hence the continental USA's timezones appear in the RFCs, as does GMT (but not the daylight-saving version BST); but the RFC doesn't have the (international) legal entity UTC. Which is odd, since one would have expected some American astronomers to have commented on its absence. But, the moral is: you should only use things in the RFCs. I.e., the American timezones, GMT, or offsets from GMT. Exchanging mail with anything else is a bad idea. -- Robin Fairbairns, Senior Consultant, postmaster and general dogsbody Laser-Scan Ltd., Science Park, Milton Rd., Cambridge CB4 4FY, UK Email: robin@lsl.co.uk --or-- rf@cl.cam.ac.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1992 23:25:23 CDT From: hardis@enh.nist.gov Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET Subject: RE: Mailers sometimes use non-standard timezones Message-ID: <14JUN92.23455474@enh.nist.gov> Date: 15 Jun 92 03:45:54 GMT References: <6885646@MVB.SAIC.COM> <1992Jun11.195648.1772@zl2tnm.gen.nz> <1992Jun12.101804.2018@lsl.co.uk> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET > A minor nit: GMT (which you implied earlier in your message _is_ valid) > is also a timezone. You all finally attracted my curiosity. Here's the word from RFC821, the definition of the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP):