Archive-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 00:02:08 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 00:01:53 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B99F2.B791FB5B.50@wku.edu> Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post Posting statistics for list MX-LIST during August 1997 Total number of posts: 88 Total number of posters: 38 Total number of subscribers: 0 Last modified: 28-SEP-1995 13:33 (Updated digest info) Welcome to MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU, an electronic mailing list established for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software. This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List. MX-List postings are also available in a daily digest format. To subscribe to the digest, send the following command in the body of a mail message to MXserver@LISTS.WKU.EDU: SUBSCRIBE MX-List-Digest "Your real name here" The MX-List archives are maintained at ARCHIVES@LISTS.WKU.EDU. To get a copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message with the body SEND MX-List.yyyy-mm to ARCHIVES@LISTS.WKU.EDU, where "yyyy" is the year and "mm" is the numeric representation of the month. For example, the message SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992. MX itself is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu in [.MX.MX041]. You can also get it via e-mail by sending the commands SEND MX and SEND FILESERV_TOOLS on separate lines in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@LISTS.WKU.EDU. To remove yourself from the mailing list, send the following command to MXserver@LISTS.WKU.EDU: SIGNOFF MX-List MXserver supports a few other commands for your convenience. 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If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please contact the list owner at the address below. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hunter Goatley, Sr. OpenVMS Systems Programmer goathunter@MadGoat.com Process Software P.O. Box 51745 Bowling Green, KY 42102-6745 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 00:41:24 -0500 Sender: From: "Geoffrey D. Roberts" To: mx-list@madgoat.com Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:10:05 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: POP3 Problems. Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Thanks to all for your help. I have installed the V1.9 Beta 14 version, (which happily compiled with GNU - Thanks Micheal!) This did not directly fix the problem, but the more comprehensive logging did point the finger at it. What was wrong was that VMS mail was not aware of the users existence. The account was being created for a user, with Authorize, directory created etc no problem. I would have the user telnet in to the account to check it as ok. Fine. Logout. Then they would try and use POP3 from the Pegasus client to access mail. This would bring up a password error in the client. Under V1.7 this is also what the log for IUPOP said. However V1.9 reported (quote) 0: mail$user_get_info % MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user !RS Evidently (and the VMS gurus will no doubt be aware of this) until a user has run mail once, it is not 'aware' of the users existence. My users don't normally access the VAX directly so they had not run mail for their user account. So it didn't work. Ironically, V1.7 was not broken in the way I envisaged, but the better loggin in 1.9 let me find out the real reason. So it was worth it no matter what. It has some nice features and fixes too, so a worthwhile exercise all round. The only hiccup in the system at the moment seems to be a connection timeout when polling for mail sometimes. This may be a network/tcpip problem, still looking in to that one. Thanks again all, Geoffrey D. Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au Phone Work:61-8-8632-2800 Home:61-8-8633-0619 Fax :61-8-8633-0104 Mobile:61-17-160-166 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:13:16 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:12:05 BST From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: A.HARPER@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009B9A50.57C3151C.1669@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: POP3 Problems. >Evidently (and the VMS gurus will no doubt be aware of this) until a >user has run mail once, it is not 'aware' of the users existence. >My users don't normally access the VAX directly so they had not run >mail for their user account. So it didn't work. More specifically, it will not work until there is a record for the user in MAILUAF. This is created when the user first goes into mail or receives a mail message. Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:15:46 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:22:38 GMT From: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@wkuvx1.wku.edu CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Message-ID: <009B9A49.6F88420F.3@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: name_conversion, address_rewriter, etc Sorry if I've posted this before, but I think it got bounced due to my name change. I've been trying to persuade mx to put full names (eg Chris.Sharman) rather than usernames on all local addresses on outgoing mail. [VMS mail forwarding handles incoming mail for forename.surname]. I've tried address_rewriter and name_conversion, with rather mixed results. I've now got name_conversion more or less working, but my convert routine is getting called with non-local usernames (such as mx-list). This isn't what I was expecting - is it right ? If name_conversion gets all usernames, rather than just local ones, what mechanism should I be using ? Thanks in advance, ______________________________________________________________________ Chris Sharman Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk Tel: +(44) 1772 662883 Fax: +(44) 1772 662893 CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancs, PR2 9WS, ENGLAND ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:48:17 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:47:55 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: CHRIS.SHARMAN@CCAGROUP.CO.UK Message-ID: <009B9A5D.BB0FA48A.5@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: name_conversion, address_rewriter, etc Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk writes: > >I've been trying to persuade mx to put full names (eg Chris.Sharman) rather >than usernames on all local addresses on outgoing mail. [VMS mail forwarding >handles incoming mail for forename.surname]. > >I've tried address_rewriter and name_conversion, with rather mixed results. >I've now got name_conversion more or less working, but my convert routine is >getting called with non-local usernames (such as mx-list). This isn't what I >was expecting - is it right ? > Yes, it'll get called for addresses. >If name_conversion gets all usernames, rather than just local ones, what >mechanism should I be using ? > I would recommend the use of the ADDRESS_REWRITER. You don't say what results you had with that, but I use it at WKU to do exactly what you're wanting to do. Be sure you get this file, as it is the most up-to-date: ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/mx/examples/address_rewriter.zip Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:02:25 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 14:59:00 -0700 From: Vanya Jonathan Cooper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: CHRIS.SHARMAN@CCAGROUP.CO.UK, Vanya@VJC.COM Message-ID: <009B9A70.0B5E5D60.3@VJC.COM> Subject: RE: name_conversion, address_rewriter, etc > From: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk > X-List-Help: > > Sorry if I've posted this before, but I think it got bounced due to my name > change. > > I've been trying to persuade mx to put full names (eg Chris.Sharman) rather > than usernames on all local addresses on outgoing mail. [VMS mail forwarding > handles incoming mail for forename.surname]. > > I've tried address_rewriter and name_conversion, with rather mixed results. > I've now got name_conversion more or less working, but my convert routine is > getting called with non-local usernames (such as mx-list). This isn't what I > was expecting - is it right ? I had this problem in MX 4.2 with name_conversion too, but only with recent version of VMS or the "mail patch" that allow you to specify addresses without the MX% prefix. Some non-local address were being passed to the name conversion routines that shouldn't have. I asked about this on the bug list and Matt said it was already fixed in 5.0. If you need to fix it in 4.2 you can do a cheap fix by changing the line where it checks to see if it should do a FULL_CONVERT to also test if a domain name is present. This worked for me anyway. ..Vanya ************ File SRC:[MX042.MX.COMMON]MX_MAILSHR_PARSING.B32;3 395 IF .DOMLEN EQL 0 AND (NOT .NONLCL) THEN 396 BEGIN ****** File SRC:[MX042.MX.COMMON]MX_MAILSHR_PARSING.B32_OLD;1 394 IF NOT .NONLCL THEN 395 BEGIN ************ Vanya Jonathan Cooper Vanya@VJC.COM http://www.mad-scientists.org/vanya/ VJC Consulting & Services Tucson Arizona USA Phone: +1 520 881-4455 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:31:49 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 21:20:59 EDT From: ambrose@conference-board.org Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Message-ID: <009B9AA5.681F1320.65@papa.conference-board.org> Subject: SMTP Server is dying for no apparent reason From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose FUNC: Informaiton Technologies TEL: (212) 339-0443 To: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com"@mrgate Hello, I think I saw something about this awhile abo. The SMTP Server process on my e-mail gateway is shutting down for no apparent reason. When I look at the log files, I see the following...... MX_ROOT:[000000.SMTP]SMTP_SERVER.LOG;56 30-AUG-1997 12:08:41.88: MX SMTP Server (pid 00000257) starting 30-AUG-1997 12:49:40.32: MX SMTP Server (pid 00000257) exiting, status = 10248074 After I notice that the server isn't running, I shutdown and restart MX. This is really getting to be a drag. I got users whose quality of life is directly connected to e-mail. Any ideas, other that watch it like a hawk ? TIA. Joe Ambrose ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:47:47 -0500 Sender: From: "Geoffrey D. Roberts" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:20:31 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: POP3 Problems. Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Further to that, > >My users don't normally access the VAX directly so they had not run > >mail for their user account. So it didn't work. > > More specifically, it will not work until there is a record for the user in > MAILUAF. This is created when the user first goes into mail or receives a > mail message. So it would seem. I am still having problems with clients timing out while trying to send or (mostly) receive mail from the POP3 server, I have sent a piece of the IUPOP log to Micheal Stenns in the hope he can shed some light on this. The previous version (1.7) also did this. The mail clients, (Pegasus 32bit and Netscape Mail) from W95 work fine with other POP servers. Not sure what the problem is, the server seems unaware of a problem and thinks that the mail has been sent when sometimes it has not been retreived by the client successfully. All other network stuff, ie Telnet, FTP seem to work ok, and a physical network problem should also cause other servers to spit. Fascinating. Regards Geoffrey D. Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au Phone Work:61-8-8632-2800 Home:61-8-8633-0619 Fax :61-8-8633-0104 Mobile:61-17-160-166 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:55:02 -0500 Sender: From: "Geoffrey D. Roberts" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:20:31 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: POP3 Problems. Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Further to that, > >My users don't normally access the VAX directly so they had not run > >mail for their user account. So it didn't work. > > More specifically, it will not work until there is a record for the user in > MAILUAF. This is created when the user first goes into mail or receives a > mail message. So it would seem. I am still having problems with clients timing out while trying to send or (mostly) receive mail from the POP3 server, I have sent a piece of the IUPOP log to Micheal Stenns in the hope he can shed some light on this. The previous version (1.7) also did this. The mail clients, (Pegasus 32bit and Netscape Mail) from W95 work fine with other POP servers. Not sure what the problem is, the server seems unaware of a problem and thinks that the mail has been sent when sometimes it has not been retreived by the client successfully. All other network stuff, ie Telnet, FTP seem to work ok, and a physical network problem should also cause other servers to spit. Fascinating. Regards Geoffrey D. Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au Phone Work:61-8-8632-2800 Home:61-8-8633-0619 Fax :61-8-8633-0104 Mobile:61-17-160-166 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:52:13 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:52:03 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: AMBROSE@CONFERENCE-BOARD.ORG Message-ID: <009B9AFD.90E2D970.38@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: SMTP Server is dying for no apparent reason ambrose@conference-board.org writes: > >I think I saw something about this awhile abo. > Yes, this was fixed back in January. >The SMTP Server process on my e-mail gateway is shutting down for no apparent >reason. > [...] >30-AUG-1997 12:49:40.32: MX SMTP Server (pid 00000257) exiting, status = >10248074 > Which is: $ write sys$output f$getsyi(%X10248074) %STR-F-STRTOOLON, string is too long (greater than 65535) $ You're receiving (most likely) a piece of spam that has a To: or CC: line longer than 64K characters. The MX SMTP Server didn't expect that. >After I notice that the server isn't running, I shutdown and restart MX. > >This is really getting to be a drag. I got users whose quality of life is >directly connected to e-mail. > >Any ideas, other that watch it like a hawk ? > Yes, you can install the SMTP_SERVER executable from FTP.MADGOAT.COM in [.MX.MX042.PATCH]. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:19:36 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 10:11:15 EDT From: ambrose@conference-board.org Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@lists.wku.edu Message-ID: <009B9B11.02FC7340.7@papa.conference-board.org> Subject: RE: SMTP Server is dying for no apparent reason From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose FUNC: Informaiton Technologies TEL: (212) 339-0443 To: NAME: Posting MX List Subject: RE: SMTP Server is dying for no apparent reason To: Posting MX List ( mx%"MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU"@mrgate ) From: Joseph Ambrose Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Priority: normal Content-Return: prohibited X-Mailer: TeamLinks V2.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; Type=Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TLformat: TEXT ->You're receiving (most likely) a piece of spam that has a To: or CC: ->line longer than 64K characters. The MX SMTP Server didn't expect ->that. -> ->Yes, you can install the SMTP_SERVER executable from FTP.MADGOAT.COM ->in [.MX.MX042.PATCH]. -> ->Hunter ->------ ->Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com ->TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS -> http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html I downloaded the SMTP_SERVER.EXE from the ftp site. I now get nothing from the log file and server doesn't stay up at all. Using 4.1 MX Joe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:29:58 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:29:49 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: AMBROSE@CONFERENCE-BOARD.ORG Message-ID: <009B9B0B.38E142EE.19@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: SMTP Server is dying for no apparent reason ambrose@conference-board.org writes: > >->Yes, you can install the SMTP_SERVER executable from FTP.MADGOAT.COM >->in [.MX.MX042.PATCH]. >-> > >I downloaded the SMTP_SERVER.EXE from the ftp site. > >I now get nothing from the log file and server doesn't stay up at all. > You might try running it interactively to see what happens.... >Using 4.1 MX > But that's probably the problem. I've never tried using that .EXE with MX V4.1. It was built for V4.2. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:46:41 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:42:58 EDT From: ambrose@conference-board.org Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@lists.wku.edu Message-ID: <009B9B1D.D3124B20.65@papa.conference-board.org> Subject: SMTP_SERVER interactive.... From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose FUNC: Informaiton Technologies TEL: (212) 339-0443 To: NAME: Posting MX List Subject: SMTP_SERVER interactive.... To: Posting MX List ( mx%"MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU"@mrgate ) From: Joseph Ambrose Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Priority: normal Content-Return: prohibited X-Mailer: TeamLinks V2.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; Type=Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TLformat: TEXT Here's the result of running SMTP_SERVER interactivly SPOCK::JA> run smtp_server %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image NETLIB_SHRXFR -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file SPOCK$DUA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]NETLIB_SHRXFR.EXE -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image Any clues? Joe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:12:49 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:12:43 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B9B19.990069BC.9@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: SMTP_SERVER interactive.... ambrose@conference-board.org writes: > >Here's the result of running SMTP_SERVER interactivly > >SPOCK::JA> run smtp_server >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image NETLIB_SHRXFR >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file SPOCK$DUA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]NETLIB_SHRXFR.EXE >-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > >Any clues? > Yes. The new image has been linked against NETLIB V2.x, while you're still running NETLIB V1.7. You'll need to upgrade NETLIB to V2.0 to get this to work (and then there's still no guarantee, since the .EXE is for MX V4.2 and you're running V4.1). But it ought to work then. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:20:34 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:19:06 -0400 From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B9B2B.41038380.1@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: SMTP Server is dying for no apparent reason >I downloaded the SMTP_SERVER.EXE from the ftp site. > >I now get nothing from the log file and server doesn't stay up at all. > >Using 4.1 MX Not surprised, since the patch is obviously for V4.2 and not for V4.1. -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:24:41 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:24:21 EST From: Jim Bender Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B9B2B.FCF22F7E.36@bdsnet.com> Subject: RE: SMTP Server is dying for no apparent reason $5000 a month? that's waaaaaay high. you should move there, then... :-) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:41:42 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:41:20 MET-1MET DST From: Dominique HOUVIEZ Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B9BFF.E86577AF.24@l3av01.univ-lille3.fr> Subject: MX 5.0 Would it be possible in a future release (or is it already possible) to easily define aliases for the commands of the mailing lists server. We are encouraged to "francise" these commands. TIA -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dominique HOUVIEZ |Mel: houviez@univ-lille3.fr Centre de Ressources Informatiques | Universite Charles de Gaulle-Lille 3| B.P. 149 |Tel: +33(0)320 416 121 F59653 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ Cedex |Fax: +33(0)320 416 001 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:33:11 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 17:33:10 BST From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: A.HARPER@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009B9C17.E9A0945A.1830@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: MX and address quoting This is really for my own interest but ... As you will know, MX substitutes single quotesfor double quotes in address that might need them, so that "GREEN::ROY"@system is specified as: MX%"'GREEN::ROY'@system" Two questions about this: 1. What happens if the address already contains a single quote? For example, I want to send, using MX, to James.O'Hara@system By my reckoning, the address to use isMX%"'James.O'Hara'@system", which is ambiguous (if not actually syntactically wrong) to the MX parser and could lead to delivery problems. 2. The RFC822 spec specifies that certain characters are special and MUST be quoted if they occur by (a) prefixing the character by '\' and then surrounding the relevant portion of the address string by double quotes (I've never really been quite sure why both have to be used!). What does MX do with \ prefixing, if anything? Could this be used to solve the ' problem ? [ The RFC822 special characters are ( ) < > @ . , ; : \ " (sp) (tab) ] Thanks for any enlightenment. Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:26:04 -0500 Sender: Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 07:52:50 BST From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM Message-ID: <009B9C90.01B1F69C.1879@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: MX and quoting Following up on my own message regarding MX and quote handling.... I ran a few simple tests on an e-mail address that contains a single quote as a legitimate part of the address (this is allowed by the RFC spec). I set up a dummy forwarding address James.O'Hara to my own account, then sent mail to it using the following various forms (with the logical defined that lets me see how addresses get re-written): Address MX rewrites it as James.O'Hara@systemname the null string MX%"James.O'Hara"@systemname" the null string MX%"'James.O'Hara'@systemname" the null string No mail ever arrived for any of these... MX%"'James.O\'@systemname" "James.O\"Hara"@system name This looked almost right except the quoted ' should not have been altered to " !! Attempted delivery resulted in a postmaster message thus: >--> Error description: >Error-For: "james$o\\"hara"@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk >Error-Code: 3 >Error-Text: No such local user > >Error-End: 1 error detected Because the address is now incorrect. Moreover, MX has mangled the address even further by: * An additional Backslash prefix of the original prefix character * Modifying the . to a $ I couldn't find a form that would let the ' pass through.. So it looks as though MX has a few problems handling special characters within its quoting mechanisms. If anyone has any thoughts about how to pass a single quote through, I'ld be glad to hear. Thanks Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:43:17 -0500 Sender: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:43:05 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B9C97.06AFA06D.52@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: MX and quoting Andy Harper writes: > >Following up on my own message regarding MX and quote handling.... > >I ran a few simple tests on an e-mail address that contains a single quote as a >legitimate part of the address (this is allowed by the RFC spec). > >I set up a dummy forwarding address James.O'Hara to my own account, then >sent mail to it using the following various forms (with the logical defined >that lets me see how addresses get re-written): > > > Address MX rewrites it as > > James.O'Hara@systemname the null string > MX%"James.O'Hara"@systemname" the null string > MX%"'James.O'Hara'@systemname" the null string > Some of this is actually due to VMS Mail parsing before it's handed off to MX. > MX%"'James.O\'@systemname" "James.O\"Hara"@system name > This looked almost right except the quoted ' should not have been > altered to " !! > Yep. >I couldn't find a form that would let the ' pass through.. > You're right. There's not. >So it looks as though MX has a few problems handling special characters within >its quoting mechanisms. If anyone has any thoughts about how to pass a single >quote through, I'ld be glad to hear. > I had intended to reply yesterday, but didn't have time. The MX/VMS Mail parser does have a few problems, and you've discovered one of them. It's on our list to beef that up some, but we haven't had time yet. It *is* complicated by the fact that VMS Mail does some parsing before we see the address, so anything we do has to deal with VMS Mail's parsing rules too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:52:24 -0500 Sender: Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:46:20 EDT From: ambrose@conference-board.org Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Message-ID: <009B9C9F.DC8E5440.23@papa.conference-board.org> Subject: Followup to SMTP dying From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose FUNC: Informaiton Technologies TEL: (212) 339-0443 To: NAME: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" Thanks for the help about solutions to the SMTP server dying on me. I using the "ugly" method, keeping the server up with a batch command file. it may be ugly ( I prettied it up a bit ) but it sure works fine. Thanks, Hunter and everyone who responded. Joe Ambrose ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:12:47 -0500 Sender: From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MX 5.0 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:51:27 +0000 Message-ID: <34101C6F.1602B49C@process.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sam Rozenfeld wrote: > > Sorry if I sound a little redundand, but we are dying from spam here and > I was wondering if MX 5.0 is coming out soon ? > > Sincerely. Sam Rozenfeld. MX V5.0 is going into what, hopefully, is it's last beta release. I anticipate that the actual release will be in approximately 2 weeks. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:19:20 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 16:18:40 EDT From: Brian Reed Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B9D9F.D5E90BD4.3@cbict3.cb.lucent.com> Subject: Re: MX 5.0--accounting log addition >MX V5.0 is going into what, hopefully, is it's last beta release. I don't know if it's there now, but one thing I think would be nice in the accounting log is the actual host that made the connection. Just a suggestion. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:51:41 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:51:24 CET-DST From: "Rok Vidmar, NUK Ljubljana" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009B9FF7.865A1F33.1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> Subject: Usernames starting with "$" We use a bunch of usernames in the form of $user. MX considers this usernames illegal; here are lines from Message routing error notification (never delivered :) for a message sent from $ROK to mx%$rok: Problem occurred during message routing for the following: Address: (originally: <.rok@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>) Error: Invalid address. MX takes this route even before invoking MX_EXE:NAME_CONVERSION.EXE (from MX_EXE:MX_MAILSHR*.exe, if I remember correctly), which gets invoked far before the MX_EXE:ADDRESS_REWRITER.EXE (from MX_EXE:MX_ROUTER.EXE). I can't rename $usernames to something else: any alternatives? Regards, Rok Vidmar Internet: rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si National and University Library Phone: +386 61 125 4218 Turjaska 1, 1000 Ljubljana Fax: +386 61 125 5007 Slovenia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:22:25 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:22:10 MET-1MET DST From: "Michael Lemke, Sternwarte Bamberg, Phone: +49-951-9522216" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: ROK.VIDMAR@NUK.UNI-LJ.SI, ai26@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de Message-ID: <009B9FFB.D281C9AB.5@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: RE: Usernames starting with "$" In a message of Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:51:24 CET-DST Received on Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:18:50 MET-1MET DST Rok Vidmar, NUK Ljubljana wrote to: Message Exchange Discussion List > We use a bunch of usernames in the form of $user. MX considers this >usernames illegal; here are lines from Message routing error notification >(never delivered :) for a message sent from $ROK to mx%$rok: > >Problem occurred during message routing for the following: > >Address: (originally: <.rok@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>) >Error: Invalid address. > > MX takes this route even before invoking MX_EXE:NAME_CONVERSION.EXE (from >MX_EXE:MX_MAILSHR*.exe, if I remember correctly), which gets invoked far >before the MX_EXE:ADDRESS_REWRITER.EXE (from MX_EXE:MX_ROUTER.EXE). > > I can't rename $usernames to something else: any alternatives? > Hm, how about $ MAIL MAIL> set forwa/user=ROK $ROK from SYSTEM (or set proc/priv=sysnam) and mail to rok@blah.blah.blah Doesn't fix MX's problem but maybe yours. -- Michael Lemke Sternwarte Bamberg, University of Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany (michael@astro.as.utexas.edu or ai26@a400.sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:06:42 -0500 Sender: From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MLF/MX Question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:42:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3416CDFB.E2CA151@process.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Peter Burnett wrote: > > Using MX 4.3.... I have a number of mailling lists (private and public) hosted > via MX. By what method does MX check for the posters address to the lists when > trying to decide wether the poster is allowed to post or not ?. > > Is it (a) the "From:" address in the RFC header Yes. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:48:13 -0500 Sender: Message-ID: From: "Worlton, Thomas" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" Subject: Mail not going through Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:49:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain The internet mail has stopped going through on one node of my cluster. When I "telnet/port 25" to that node, I get the message "%MULTINET-F-ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused", but I can telnet to that node in the normal way. What would be the problem in this case? I am running Multinet 3.5 (101) and MX V4.2 AXP Tom Worlton [] p.s. there were some boot problems when this node was rebooted and maybe DECnet/Multinet did not start properly. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:53:48 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:53:37 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BA556.77645B81.25@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Mail not going through "Worlton, Thomas" writes: > >The internet mail has stopped going through on one node of my cluster. >When I "telnet/port 25" to that node, I get the message >"%MULTINET-F-ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused", but I can telnet to that >node in the normal way. What would be the problem in this case? I am >running Multinet 3.5 (101) and MX V4.2 AXP > >Tom Worlton > >[] p.s. there were some boot problems when this node was rebooted and >maybe DECnet/Multinet did not start properly. Sounds like your MX SMTP Server isn't running for some reason. MCP STATUS would show you whether or not it was, and MX_SMTP_DIR:SMTP_SERVER_node.LOG would show the exit status if it's not running. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:09:38 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:08:42 EST-10EST From: Daiajo Tibdixious MACS <"svs::svist070"@stvincents.COM.AU> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BA621.BD343AC0.84@stvincents.com.au> Subject: fields in From header We changed over to a new mail server machine (VAX 3100, VMS V7.1) recently and users (Eudora) have noticed from lines that used to be person's name now come out as just I've looked thru the doc and config, but can't find where to control this. I have looked at old messages, and the From line definately has the person's personal name. We setup MX (V4.2 with patches) from scratch, rather than copying the old configuration (which was full of junk). Hints? Pointers? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:10:34 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:08:38 -0400 From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Message-ID: <009BA608.95154520.5@swdev.si.com> Subject: A wish list item A while back, I noticed what I considered an anomaly in MX's behavior and that was discussed on the MX-Testers list. I'd like to add a change in MX's behavior to the wish list. A standard configuration of Attachmate's Pathway sets the hostname of the system via a program called HOSTNAME. The syntax is: $ hostname host where "host" is the name by which the local host is to be known. The hostname program uses the value "host" to define the logical name ARPANET_HOST_NAME and to determine the value to be returned by the socket routine gethostname. MX uses the results of the socket routine gethostname to obtain the host's name for inclusion in the envelope and the headers. MX seems to assume that gethostname will return the FQDN of the host but, for a standard configuration of Pathway Access, this is not a valid assumption. One must use gethostname together with the value of the logical name INET_DOMAIN_NAME, if it is defined, to obtain the FQDN. After reading the BSD documentation, the fact that the gethostname routine does not return the FQDN is not at odds with the BSD description. However, there is a wrinkle. The Pathway startup process allows one to specify the FQDN as the parameter to the HOSTNAME program. So, if the FQDN is specified in the startup procedure, then gethostname _will_ return the FQDN. The logical name INET_DOMAIN_NAME controls whether or not the local hosts table will be used for address resolution. If it is not defined, the local hosts table is consulted by the address resolution routines. If it is defined, then Pathway assumes a name server is running somewhere and will not consult its local host table. So, the bottom line is this: I'd like MX (well, actually, NETLIB_GET_HOSTNAME) to first use gethostname (or whatever routine it uses) to obtain the host name. For Pathway Access, if the logical INET_DOMAIN_NAME is NOT defined, that's all MX needs to do (as it does now). If, however, INET_DOMAIN_NAME _is_ defined, but the gethostname return value contains the INET_DOMAIN_NAME value already, then that's all MX needs to do. If, however, the host name does not contain the domain name, then I'd like MX to append the INET_DOMAIN_NAME value to the value returned by gethostname. This would produce a valid FQDN in all cases when using Pathway Access. Thanks. -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:42:18 -0500 Sender: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:41:46 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: Kamrul Ahsan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BA615.981097E0.42@ycvax.york.cuny.edu> Subject: Changing Sender: field of a List Greetings! Is it posssible to change the Sender: field of any list. If it can not be done for a particular list, can it be done for the Listserver itself so that the Sender field always shows the list name for all the Lists --- instead of owner-listname. We are using MX 4.2 on VMS 5.5 / UCX 3.3 Here is an example: ================================================================= From: MX%"OUTCOMES@ycvax.york.cuny.edu" 10-SEP-1997 14:15:22.99 To: MX%"outcomes@york.cuny.edu" CC: Subj: more thoughts Return-Path: X-ListName: Discussions of the YC Outcomes Assessment committee Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-outcomes@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Sender: owner-outcomes@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:47:01 EDT From: Personal name Reply-To: OUTCOMES@ycvax.york.cuny.edu Subject: more thoughts To: outcomes committee ================================================================= Thanks in advance. Kamrul Ahsan York College/CUNY New York. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:06:14 -0500 Sender: From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: MXSMTP/SMTP high cpu usage Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:29:40 +0000 Message-ID: <3420F484.ADFF0B3@process.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Geoff Roberts wrote: > > I am unsure if this is in fact a problem or um, normal behaviour, but > I have noted that the processes MX SMTP and MX Smtp Server are > hammering away almost continuously, and seem to be soaking up a lot You might try enabling MX SMTP debugging to see what the processes are doing: $ define/system/exec mx_smtp_debug true $ define/system/exec mx_smtp_server_debug true Those will cause log files to be created in MX_SMTP_DIR: that will show you what the processes are doing. -- Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:12:47 -0500 Sender: From: "Richard Simons" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:11:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Preventing MX using DNS Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rfs@dera.gov.uk We have a Mail host system, DEC AlphaServer 100A 4/266, VMS 7.1, Multiner 4.0B, MX 4.2, Netlib 2.1B. It provides mailboxes for nearly 300 users, mostly using Pegasus on local PCs for mail handling, but some login to TAZ and use various Internet tools there. This machine has recently replaced an older Alpha, and the configuration must be different in some way. Our problem is that if a user sends mail to another user on TAZ using the external address (user@dera.gov.uk), the mail is routed onto the Internet and back in, instead of to the internal mail routing machine. It seems that MX is using the MX record (relay.mod.uk) from DNS rather than the path defined in MCP. Is it possible to arrange for MX to use only data from the local files while running Multinet DNS for users and other utilities ? Richard R F Simons, DERA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs., WR14 3PS. Phone 01684 895068, Fax 01684 895700 email: rfs@dra.hmg.gb Technical assistant to Internet mail servers manager. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:16:35 -0500 Sender: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:16:09 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rfs@dera.gov.uk, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009BA7DF.05129080.9@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Preventing MX using DNS > It seems that MX is using the MX record (relay.mod.uk) from DNS rather > than the path defined in MCP. ????? MX_Router gets a piece of mail. It looks at the PATH statements to decide what to do with it. The first match made wins. If the PATH is to LOCAL, then the mail is deliverally locally. If the PATH is to SMTP, then (and only then) is the DNS used to look up where to send it to. If the DNS finds an MX record for that address, so be it. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:01:10 -0500 Sender: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970919030506.00691e44@ccr.dsi.uanl.mx> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:05:06 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Erick Javier Retta Carrizales Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Problem whit smtp server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello: I have a problem whit the smtp Server, i have mx v4.2 and ucx the result from the log is: 18-SEP-1997 18:16:31.08 STM[10]: Receive "." 18-SEP-1997 18:16:31.94 STM[10]: Send "250 Message received and queued." 18-SEP-1997 18:16:32.25 STM[10]: Error: status=20DC some times the las line is: 18-SEP-1997 19:44:37.10 STM[1]: Error: status=20EC Some body know where is the problem ??? Sorry for my english and thanks for all.... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:52:59 -0500 Sender: From: "Geoffrey D. Roberts" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:26:02 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MXSMTP/SMTP high cpu usage Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com > You might try enabling MX SMTP debugging to see what the processes > are doing: Thanks for that. I have now done this, will see what it comes up with.. Geoffrey D. Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au Phone Work:61-8-8632-2800 Home:61-8-8633-0619 Fax :61-8-8633-0104 Mobile:61-17-160-166 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:33:41 -0500 Sender: From: "Geoffrey D. Roberts" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:35:42 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MXSMTP/SMTP high cpu usage Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Ok we have something here, > enabling MX SMTP debugging produces these entries in MX_SMTP_SERVER_LOG.LOG STM[5]: Send "220 MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU MX V4.2 VAX SMTP server ready at Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:50:41 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "HELO MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]: Send "250 Hello, MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]:Receive"MAILFROM:" STM[5]: Send "250 MAIL command accepted." STM[5]: Receive "RCPTTO:" STM[5]: Send "250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" STM[5]: Receive "DATA" STM[5]:Send "354 Start mail input; end with ." STM[5]:Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by" STM[5]: Receive " MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep" STM[5]: Receive " 1997 17:46:11+0930" STM[5]: Receive "Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:06:40 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "From: SMTPdeliveryagent" STM[5]:Receive "To:" STM[5]: Receive "Subject: SMTP delivery error" STM[5]: Receive "X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:"" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Note: this message was generated automatically." STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of" STM[5]: Receive "the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that" STM[5]: Receive "allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect" STM[5]: Receive"addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes." STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "--> Error description:" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Error-For: Postmaster@mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au" STM[5]: Receive"Error-Code: 2" STM[5]: Receive "Error-Text:%MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed" STM[5]: Receive " -(Via mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au)" STM[5]: Receive " -Transcript:" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 220 MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU MX V4.2 VAX SMTP server ready at Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:04:32 +0930" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: HELO MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 250 Hello, MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: MAIL FROM:" STM[5]:Receive " -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted." STM[5]: Receive "-Sent: RCPT TO:" STM[5]:Receive "-Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" STM[5]:Receive "-Sent: DATA" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 354 Startmail input; end with ." STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host." STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: QUIT" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 221 MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU Service closing transmission channel" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Error-End: 1 error detected" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "------------------------------ Rejected message------------------------------" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:02:23 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:00:13 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:58:03 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:55:53 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:53:42 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:51:27 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:50:47 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "From: SMTP delivery agent " STM[5]: Receive "To: " STM[5]: Receive "Subject: SMTP delivery error" STM[5]: Receive "X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:"" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Note: this message was generated automatically." STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of" STM[5]: Receive "the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that" STM[5]: Receive "allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrect" STM[5]: Receive "addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes." STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "--> Error description:" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Error-For: Postmaster@mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au" STM[5]: Receive "Error-Code: 2" STM[5]: Receive "Error-Text: %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed" STM[5]: Receive " -(Via mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au)" STM[5]: Receive " -Transcript:" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 220 MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU MX V4.2 VAX SMTP server ready at Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:48:39 +0930" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: HELO MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 250 Hello, MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: MAIL FROM:" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted." STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: RCPT TO:" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: DATA" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 354 Start mail input; end with ." STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this host." STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: QUIT" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 221 MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU Service closing transmission channel" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Error-End: 1 error detected" STM[5]: Receive "" This is repeated endlessly, looking at a couple of things here now, but your input would still be most welcomE Geoffrey D. Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au Phone Work:61-8-8632-2800 Home:61-8-8633-0619 Fax :61-8-8633-0104 Mobile:61-17-160-166 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:52:59 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:52:50 -1300 From: "Henry W. Miller" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: henrym@SACTO.MP.USBR.GOV Message-ID: <009BA82F.951CEEBE.13@CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV> Subject: Re: MXSMTP/SMTP high cpu usage > From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 19-SEP-1997 02:37:45.31 > To: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" > CC: > Subj: Re: MXSMTP/SMTP high cpu usage > On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:35:42 +0930, "Geoffrey D. Roberts" said: "Geoffrey D. Roberts" writes: Geoff, > Ok we have something here, > > > enabling MX SMTP debugging > > produces these entries in MX_SMTP_SERVER_LOG.LOG > STM[5]: Send "220 MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU MX V4.2 VAX SMTP > server ready at Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:50:41 +0930" > STM[5]: Receive "HELO MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" > STM[5]: Send "250 Hello, MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" > STM[5]:Receive"MAILFROM:" > STM[5]: Send "250 MAIL command accepted." > STM[5]: Receive "RCPTTO:" > STM[5]: Send "250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" > STM[5]: Receive "DATA" > STM[5]:Send "354 Start mail input; end with ." > STM[5]:Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by" > STM[5]: Receive " MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 > VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep" > STM[5]: Receive " 1997 17:46:11+0930" STM[5]: Receive "Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:06:40 +0930" > STM[5]: Receive "From: > SMTPdeliveryagent" > STM[5]:Receive "To:" > STM[5]: Receive "Subject: SMTP delivery error" > STM[5]: Receive "X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error > description:"" > STM[5]: Receive "" > STM[5]: Receive "Note: this message was generated automatically." > STM[5]: Receive "" > STM[5]: Receive "An error was detected while processing the enclosed > message. A list of" > STM[5]: Receive "the affected recipients follows. This list is in a > special format that" > STM[5]: Receive "allows software like LISTSERV > to automatically take action on incorrect" > STM[5]: Receive"addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes." > STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "--> Error description:" STM[5]: > Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Error-For: > Postmaster@mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au" > STM[5]: Receive"Error-Code: 2" > STM[5]: Receive "Error-Text:%MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction > failed" > STM[5]: Receive " -(Via mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au)" > STM[5]: Receive " -Transcript:" > STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 220 > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU MX V4.2 VAX SMTP server ready at Fri, > 19 Sep 1997 07:04:32 +0930" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: HELO > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" > STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 250 > Hello, MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" > STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: > MAIL FROM:" > STM[5]:Receive " -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted." > STM[5]: Receive "-Sent: RCPT > TO:" > STM[5]:Receive "-Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" > STM[5]:Receive "-Sent: DATA" > STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 354 Startmail input; end with > ." > STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 554 Received too many times by this > host." > STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: QUIT" > STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 221 > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU Service closing transmission channel" > STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Error-End: 1 error detected" > STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "------------------------------ > Rejected message------------------------------" STM[5]: Receive > "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep > 1997 07:02:23 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU > (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:00:13 +0930" STM[5]: > Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep > 1997 06:58:03 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU > (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:55:53 +0930" STM[5]: > Receive "Received: from MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep > 1997 06:53:42 +0930" STM[5]: Receive "Received: from > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU by MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU > (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:51:27 +0930" STM[5]: > Receive "Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:50:47 +0930" STM[5]: Receive > "From: SMTP delivery agent > " STM[5]: Receive "To: > " STM[5]: Receive > "Subject: SMTP delivery error" STM[5]: Receive "X-Report-Type: > Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:"" STM[5]: Receive "" > STM[5]: Receive "Note: this message was generated automatically." > STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "An error was detected while > processing the enclosed message. A list of" STM[5]: Receive "the > affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that" > STM[5]: Receive "allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take > action on incorrect" STM[5]: Receive "addresses; you can safely > ignore the numeric codes." STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "--> > Error description:" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: Receive "Error-For: > Postmaster@mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au" STM[5]: Receive > "Error-Code: 2" STM[5]: Receive "Error-Text: > %MX_SMTP-F-TRANSACTION_FAI, transaction failed" STM[5]: Receive " > -(Via mail.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au)" STM[5]: Receive " > -Transcript:" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 220 > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU MX V4.2 VAX SMTP server ready at Fri, > 19 Sep 1997 06:48:39 +0930" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: HELO > MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 250 > Hello, MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU" STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: > MAIL FROM:" STM[5]: > Receive " -Rcvd: 250 MAIL command accepted." STM[5]: Receive " > -Sent: RCPT TO:" STM[5]: > Receive " -Rcvd: 250 Recipient okay (at least in form)" STM[5]: > Receive " -Sent: DATA" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 354 Start mail > input; end with ." STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 554 > Received too many times by this host." STM[5]: Receive " -Sent: > QUIT" STM[5]: Receive " -Rcvd: 221 MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU > Service closing transmission channel" STM[5]: Receive "" STM[5]: > Receive "Error-End: 1 error detected" STM[5]: Receive "" > > This is repeated endlessly, looking at a couple of things here now, > but your input would still be most welcomE > The logfile got mangled in transmission, but it looks like you've got an old fashioned mail loop. What does the output from: MCP> SHOW PATH look like? -HWM > > > Geoffrey D. Roberts > Computer Systems Manager > Saint Marks College > Port Pirie, South Australia > geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au > Phone > Work:61-8-8632-2800 > Home:61-8-8633-0619 > Fax :61-8-8633-0104 > Mobile:61-17-160-166 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:56:15 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:54:29 -0400 From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BA862.1A7E5520.8@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: Problem whit smtp server Erick Javier Retta Carrizales (eretta@ccr.dsi.uanl.mx) writes: >18-SEP-1997 18:16:32.25 STM[10]: Error: status=20DC $ write sys$output f$message("%x20dc") %SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failed >18-SEP-1997 19:44:37.10 STM[1]: Error: status=20EC $ write sys$output f$message("%x20ec") %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link You can see from these messages that in both cases the problem lies not with MX but with the system to which it was connected. In the first case, port 25 of the destination system never responded to the connection request. In the second case, the remote system dropped the link in the middle of the session. If the remote systems were sites not under your care, there's little you can do about them. -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:05:48 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:03:47 -0400 From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BA863.671352E0.2@swdev.si.com> Subject: Re: MXSMTP/SMTP high cpu usage Geoffrey D. Roberts (geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au) writes: >This is repeated endlessly, looking at a couple of things here now, Looks like you don't have a DEFINE PATH MAIL.STMARKS.PP.CATHOLIC.EDU.AU LOCAL in your config file. -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:55:50 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:47:42 EDT From: ambrose@conference-board.org Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@lists.wku.edu Message-ID: <009BAC5F.BF5D8740.129@papa.conference-board.org> Subject: Need some info on complex forwarding problem From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose FUNC: Informaiton Technologies TEL: (212) 339-0443 To: NAME: MX List Post to I have a complex e-mail track that I need to modify. Here's the scenario.... From the Internet..... MX SMTP on e-mail server on external net routes to.... UUCP on e-mail server routes to ( via serial line through reverse LAT link... UUCP on destination VAX on internal net routes to.... MX UUCP which routes to VMS MAIL.... VMS MAIL is forwarded to all-in-1 ( MRGATE::A1:: ) Got it? I want to change the VMS MAIL forward to point to an MS Exchange server using UCX SMTP i.e. SMTP%"@exchange.conference-board.org" when this is done, mail to from VMS MAIL on the same node works fine, it goes to the exchange server, I can pick up the mail with MS Outlook. All other mail goes into the great post office in the sky. ( Actually it goes into UUCP ) Any ideas on how I can route this mail around. TIA. Thanks!\ Joe Ambrose Net admin The Conference Board ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:59:51 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:59:43 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: AMBROSE@CONFERENCE-BOARD.ORG Message-ID: <009BAC59.0BA4A63A.2@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Need some info on complex forwarding problem ambrose@conference-board.org writes: > > I want to change the VMS MAIL forward to point to an > MS Exchange server using UCX SMTP i.e. > Is there a reason you want to use UCX SMTP instead of MX's SMTP? Unless I'm missing something, this kind of thing would be pretty easy using MX's PATHs and rewrite rules. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:27:51 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:21:36 EDT From: ambrose@conference-board.org Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Message-ID: <009BAC64.7BA6FCC0.79@papa.conference-board.org> Subject: RE: Need some info on complex forwarding problem From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose FUNC: Informaiton Technologies TEL: (212) 339-0443 To: NAME: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" >ambrose@conference-board.org writes: >> >> I want to change the VMS MAIL forward to point to an >> MS Exchange server using UCX SMTP i.e. >> > >Is there a reason you want to use UCX SMTP instead of MX's SMTP? >Unless I'm missing something, this kind of thing would be pretty easy >using MX's PATHs and rewrite rules. > >Hunter >------ >Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ >MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS > http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html Hunter, I need a controlled forwarding on this, not everyone will be moving to Exchange at once. Your saying.... disable SMTP service from ucx and use SMTP service on MX Right? Joe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:31:25 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:31:16 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BAC5D.7396ECC7.3@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Need some info on complex forwarding problem ambrose@conference-board.org writes: > >I need a controlled forwarding on this, not everyone will be moving >to Exchange at once. Your saying.... > > disable SMTP service from ucx and use SMTP service on MX > > Right? > Yes. And if it's not everyone at once, you can use either VMS Mail's SET FORWARD, or do what I would do and use the "address rewriter" callout in MX Router to rewrite the addresses that need to be rewritten. The sample ADDRESS_REWRITER code can be found on ftp.madgoat.com in [.MX.EXAMPLES]ADDRESS_REWRITER.ZIP. Using the rewriter, you can rewrite addresses like: ambrose@exchange.conference-board.org ambrose@conference-board.org Mail coming in for "ambrose@conference-board.org" would get redirected to "ambrose@exchange.conference-board.org" by the Router, eliminating the need for MX Local to get involved. Does that help? Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:06:54 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:58:32 EDT From: ambrose@conference-board.org Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Message-ID: <009BAC69.A47C3A20.49@papa.conference-board.org> Subject: RE: Need some info on complex forwarding problem From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose FUNC: Informaiton Technologies TEL: (212) 339-0443 To: NAME: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" > >The sample ADDRESS_REWRITER code can be found on ftp.madgoat.com in >[.MX.EXAMPLES]ADDRESS_REWRITER.ZIP. > >Using the rewriter, you can rewrite addresses like: > >ambrose@exchange.conference-board.org ambrose@conference-boa rd.org > >Mail coming in for "ambrose@conference-board.org" would get redirected >to "ambrose@exchange.conference-board.org" by the Router, eliminating >the need for MX Local to get involved. > >Does that help? It might, provided that I don't have to recompile the address rewriter. I'll check on this..... Joe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:17:15 -0500 Sender: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:17:01 -0700 From: "Henry W. Miller" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: henrym@SACTO.MP.USBR.GOV Message-ID: <009BAC53.14574301.17@CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV> Subject: RE: Need some info on complex forwarding problem > From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 24-SEP-1997 09:10:41.76 > To: MX%"mx-list@madgoat.com" > CC: > Subj: RE: Need some info on complex forwarding problem > On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:58:32 EDT, ambrose@conference-board.org said: ambrose@conference-board.org writes: > From: NAME: Joseph Ambrose > FUNC: Informaiton Technologies > TEL: (212) 339-0443 > To: NAME: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" > > > > >The sample ADDRESS_REWRITER code can be found on ftp.madgoat.com in > >[.MX.EXAMPLES]ADDRESS_REWRITER.ZIP. > > > >Using the rewriter, you can rewrite addresses like: > > > >ambrose@exchange.conference-board.org ambrose@conference-boa rd.org > > > >Mail coming in for "ambrose@conference-board.org" would get redirected > >to "ambrose@exchange.conference-board.org" by the Router, eliminating > >the need for MX Local to get involved. > > > >Does that help? > > It might, provided that I don't have to recompile the address > rewriter. > > I'll check on this..... > > Joe I'm sure that you'll find no shortage of people who can compile it for you... -HWM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:06:13 -0500 Sender: From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:37:38 +0000 Message-ID: <342925B2.47E2B6B6@MadGoat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Soon.... Hopefully, we'll be able to announce MX V5.0 in a couple more weeks or so. (Part of the delay is due to still more anti-spam features being added to MX V5.0!) Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:55:25 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:54:03 BST From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: A.HARPER@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009BAE0C.1CF699FC.100@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: mx and ident Will the souped up anti-spam version of mx 5.0 support the use of IDENTD? At least this would provide SOME protection against being spammed from invalid sites/addresses (Though I freely admit it's not a perfect solution) Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:57:04 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:56:53 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BADDA.374A2F85.7@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: mx and ident Andy Harper writes: > >Will the souped up anti-spam version of mx 5.0 support the use of IDENTD? > No, there are no plans for that. >At least this would provide SOME protection against being spammed from invalid >sites/addresses (Though I freely admit it's not a perfect solution) > In V5.0, you *will* be able to have the MX SMTP Server reject mail if the domain given in the MAIL FROM: isn't valid.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:16:40 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:15:09 BST From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: A.HARPER@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009BAE0F.0F45A0FC.119@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: mx and ident >>Will the souped up anti-spam version of mx 5.0 support the use of IDENTD? >> >No, there are no plans for that. Ok. Thanks >>At least this would provide SOME protection against being spammed from invalid >>sites/addresses (Though I freely admit it's not a perfect solution) >> >In V5.0, you *will* be able to have the MX SMTP Server reject mail >if the domain given in the MAIL FROM: isn't valid.... We use a 'pretend' domain of kcl.ac.uk for mail, which is in the DNS with MX records, but has no IP address of its own. Presumably, this not count as an invalid domain? Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:25:54 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:25:43 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BADDE.3E7B5D07.4@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: mx and ident Andy Harper writes: > >>In V5.0, you *will* be able to have the MX SMTP Server reject mail >>if the domain given in the MAIL FROM: isn't valid.... > > We use a 'pretend' domain of kcl.ac.uk for mail, which is in the DNS with MX > records, but has no IP address of its own. Presumably, this not count as an > invalid domain? > Correct. As long as the domain is either an A record or an MX record, it's counted as valid. (MadGoat.com is also just an MX record.) Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:55:03 -0500 Sender: From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:54:50 +0000 Message-ID: <342BDACA.188E0827@MadGoat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Peter Burnett To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Peter Burnett wrote: > > g> (Part of the delay is due to still more anti-spam features being > g> added to MX V5.0!) > > I am prepared to wait for just that feature alone !!!!! Any chance of a brief > synopsis of what we _might_ be able to expect, ie; wildcarding of various > hosts/domains, is it contained within a flat ascii text file or will we have to > use the MCP interface interactivily ? > Some of this is still being worked on, but you'll be able to define some rejection rules in MCP that will use wildcards to match domain names and addresses. For more complicated rejections, including rejections based on the contents of the RFC822 headers, a separate, new utility will be introduced (REJMAN). These are for MX SMTP Server. MX Router also now has a "filter" callout so you write your own code to filter and/or massage messages based on sender, recipient, header content, etc. Also, you'll be able to have MX SMTP Server reject messages that have invalid domain names on the MAIL FROM: line. I've deployed these on my systems and seen my spam messages drop to almost nothing. I think I've had 3 that made it through this week. Last week, I was getting a dozen or more a day. (At WKU, 227 messages have been rejected in the past 11 days, and that doesn't include those rejected by invalid domain names.) Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:22:01 -0500 Sender: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:21:50 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009BAE31.858EA3E0.5@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! > Some of this is still being worked on, but you'll be able to define > some rejection rules in MCP that will use wildcards to match domain > names and addresses. For more complicated rejections, including > rejections based on the contents of the RFC822 headers, a separate, > new utility will be introduced (REJMAN). These are for MX SMTP Server. > MX Router also now has a "filter" callout so you write your own > code to filter and/or massage messages based on sender, recipient, > header content, etc. I think that I've done very well with the SITE interface as a callout mechanism, but I tremble at the thought that this is going to be specific to Bliss or C. (All this poor computer has is Fortran.) (Yes, I know that Bliss is free now, but unless I can FTP it from somewhere, I can't touch it.) I hope the developers of this would not consider it to be too much work to (1) provide example code (for those who could use it), and (2) post reasonably general filters in a place where others could download them. Let's face it -- we are all hit by more-or-less the same spam, and whatever filters (and rejection rules) work for one of us should work for most all of us. Thanks *a lot* for these features, Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:42:14 -0500 Sender: Message-ID: <342BD7E2.5FF3C85D@tmc.naecker.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:42:26 +0000 From: Brad Hughes Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! References: <009BAE31.858EA3E0.5@garnet.nist.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan E. Hardis wrote: > > > I think that I've done very well with the SITE interface as a callout > mechanism, but I tremble at the thought that this is going to be specific > to Bliss or C. (All this poor computer has is Fortran.) (Yes, I know that > Bliss is free now, but unless I can FTP it from somewhere, I can't touch > it.) > And I'd like to be able to use perl filters... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 08:24:07 -0500 Sender: Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! Message-ID: From: levitte@lp.se (Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: 28 Sep 1997 01:25:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009BAE31.858EA3E0.5@garnet.nist.gov> "Jonathan E. Hardis" writes: to Bliss or C. (All this poor computer has is Fortran.) (Yes, I know that Bliss is free now, but unless I can FTP it from somewhere, I can't touch it.) ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/freeware_cd/bliss/ ftp://ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se/wku/vms/freeware_cd/bliss/ ftp://ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se/mirrors/wku/vms/freeware_cd/bliss/ -- R Levitte, Levitte Programming; Spannv. 38, I; S-161 43 Bromma; SWEDEN Tel: +46-8-26 52 47; Cel: +46-708-20 09 64; No fax right now PGP key fingerprint = A6 96 C0 34 3A 96 AA 6C B0 D5 9A DF D2 E9 9C 65 Check http://www.lp.se/~levitte for my public key. bastard@bofh.se "price, performance, quality. Choose any two you like" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:09:19 -0500 Sender: From: "Richard Simons" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:07:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Preventing MX using DNS Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com I fear I did not make my question clear in my previous posting (quoted below). > We have a Mail host system, DEC AlphaServer 100A 4/266, VMS 7.1, > Multiner 4.0B, MX 4.2, Netlib 2.1B. It provides mailboxes for nearly > 300 users, mostly using Pegasus on local PCs for mail handling, but > some login to TAZ and use various Internet tools there. > > This machine has recently replaced an older Alpha, and the > configuration must be different in some way. Our problem is that if > a user sends mail to another user on TAZ using the external address > (user@dera.gov.uk), the mail is routed onto the Internet and back in, > instead of to the internal mail routing machine. It seems that MX is > using the MX record (relay.mod.uk) from DNS rather than the path > defined in MCP. Is it possible to arrange for MX to use only data > from the local files while running Multinet DNS for users and other > utilities ? I realise that MX is behaving exactly as intended. My problem is that we need to route mail on this system without reference to the DNS data, but the DNS data must be available for other services on this machine. I see that Multinet (our TCP/IP package) offers alternative entry points for 'gethostbyaddr' and 'gethostbyname' that look only in the local host table, and was hoping that MX could be made to behave similarly. I would appreciate an indication as to the possibility of doing this, and even more some guidance on doing it. I should be able to access the necessary compilers to rebuild programs, but would probably have to interpret the MMS files by hand (I have manuals). Richard R F Simons, DERA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs., WR14 3PS. Phone 01684 895068, Fax 01684 895700 email: rfs@dra.hmg.gb Technical assistant to Internet mail servers manager. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:16:59 -0500 Sender: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:16:52 -0700 From: "Henry W. Miller" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: henrym@SACTO.MP.USBR.GOV Message-ID: <009BAF88.7C300A98.1@CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV> Subject: RE: Preventing MX using DNS > From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 28-SEP-1997 11:11:57.83 > To: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" > CC: > Subj: RE: Preventing MX using DNS > On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:07:08 +0100, "Richard Simons" said: "Richard Simons" writes: > I fear I did not make my question clear in my previous posting > (quoted below). > > > We have a Mail host system, DEC AlphaServer 100A 4/266, VMS 7.1, > > Multiner 4.0B, MX 4.2, Netlib 2.1B. It provides mailboxes for nearly > > 300 users, mostly using Pegasus on local PCs for mail handling, but > > some login to TAZ and use various Internet tools there. > > > > This machine has recently replaced an older Alpha, and the > > configuration must be different in some way. Our problem is that if > > a user sends mail to another user on TAZ using the external address > > (user@dera.gov.uk), the mail is routed onto the Internet and back in, > > instead of to the internal mail routing machine. It seems that MX is > > using the MX record (relay.mod.uk) from DNS rather than the path > > defined in MCP. Is it possible to arrange for MX to use only data > > from the local files while running Multinet DNS for users and other > > utilities ? > > I realise that MX is behaving exactly as intended. My problem is > that we need to route mail on this system without reference to the > DNS data, but the DNS data must be available for other services on > this machine. I see that Multinet (our TCP/IP package) offers > alternative entry points for 'gethostbyaddr' and 'gethostbyname' that > look only in the local host table, and was hoping that MX could be > made to behave similarly. > > I would appreciate an indication as to the possibility of doing > this, and even more some guidance on doing it. I should be able to > access the necessary compilers to rebuild programs, but would > probably have to interpret the MMS files by hand (I have manuals). > > Richard > > > R F Simons, DERA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs., WR14 3PS. > Phone 01684 895068, Fax 01684 895700 > email: rfs@dra.hmg.gb > Technical assistant to Internet mail servers manager. Richard, What does the output from: MCP> SHOW PATH on your machine look like? -HWM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:06:59 -0500 Sender: From: "Richard Simons" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:05:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Preventing MX using DNS Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:16:52 -0700 "Henry W. Miller" said > Richard, > What does the output from: > MCP> SHOW PATH > on your machine look like? > -HWM Here is the output (edited) RFS-TAZ > mcp MCP> show path Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="taz.dera.gov.uk", Path=Local Domain="taz.dra.hmg.gb", Path=Local Domain="[146.80.9.11]", Path=Local Domain="admin.mod.uk", Path=Local Domain="navdra.com", Path=Local Domain="navdra", Path=Local Domain="admin", Path=Local Domain="taz", Path=Local Domain="*.BITNET", Path=SMTP, Route="cunyvm.cuny.edu" Domain="*.UUCP", Path=SMTP, Route="uunet.uu.net" Domain="*", Path=SMTP, Route="hermes.dra.hmg.gb" MCP> I have removed other entries similar to "admin.mod.uk" and "navdra.com". They are mail addresses hosted on our system, and I would prefer not to list them all. The two entries for TAZ are because we are currently changing domains from DRA.HMG.GB to DERA.GOV.UK. HERMES is the machine inside our firewall to which we want all mail leaving TAZ to go, but it currently goes to RELAY.MOD.UK, the target of our public MX record. Richard R F Simons, DERA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs., WR14 3PS. Phone 01684 895068, Fax 01684 895700 email: rfs@dra.hmg.gb Technical assistant to Internet mail servers manager. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:11:34 -0500 Sender: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:09:19 -0400 From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BAFDB.3FF87DA0.1@swdev.si.com> Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! Hunter Goatley (goathunter@PROCESS.COM) writes: >Also, you'll be able to have MX SMTP Server reject messages that >have invalid domain names on the MAIL FROM: line. It would be nice to have the ability to log as many of these rejections as possible. -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:26:19 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 9:26:08 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <970929092608.2022e296@Cisco.COM> Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! >> Some of this is still being worked on, but you'll be able to define >> some rejection rules in MCP that will use wildcards to match domain >> names and addresses. For more complicated rejections, including >> rejections based on the contents of the RFC822 headers, a separate, >> new utility will be introduced (REJMAN). These are for MX SMTP Server. >> MX Router also now has a "filter" callout so you write your own >> code to filter and/or massage messages based on sender, recipient, >> header content, etc. > >I think that I've done very well with the SITE interface as a callout >mechanism, but I tremble at the thought that this is going to be specific >to Bliss or C. (All this poor computer has is Fortran.) (Yes, I know that >Bliss is free now, but unless I can FTP it from somewhere, I can't touch >it.) The callout interface uses the VMS calling standard, and isn't specific to any language. >I hope the developers of this would not consider it to be too much work to >(1) provide example code (for those who could use it), and (2) post >reasonably general filters in a place where others could download them. >Let's face it -- we are all hit by more-or-less the same spam, and whatever >filters (and rejection rules) work for one of us should work for most all >of us. A generic example will be provided, and I'm working on an anti-spam filter that will be generally available. -Matt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:13:16 -0500 Sender: From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: mx and ident Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:02:24 +0000 Message-ID: <342F98D0.7175160E@MadGoat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Sam Rozenfeld wrote: > > > Correct. As long as the domain is either an A record or an MX record, > > it's counted as valid. (MadGoat.com is also just an MX record.) > > Hmmm... so how will I be able to filter email coming from > abcdefgh@aol.com > where aol.com is a valid domain ? I cannot block aol email and the > address is > kinda valid. You'll have to try to get those by searching for other info in the headers, etc., or by listing such addresses individually once you know about them. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:08:49 -0500 Sender: From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:03:07 +0000 Message-ID: <342F98FB.1866D82F@MadGoat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Brian Tillman, x8425 wrote: > > Hunter Goatley (goathunter@PROCESS.COM) writes: > > >Also, you'll be able to have MX SMTP Server reject messages that > >have invalid domain names on the MAIL FROM: line. > > It would be nice to have the ability to log as many of these rejections as > possible. > -- These will be logged too. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:11:03 -0500 Sender: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:10:57 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BB061.964ED467.37@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: Q: MX 5.0 - When ?!, Where ?! Brad Hughes writes: > >And I'd like to be able to use perl filters... For that, you can still use the MX SITE interface. Or make your own callable perl that gets called from your filter shareable image. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html