Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:08:28 -0600 Subject: Re: MIME problem Message-ID: From: levitte@lp.se (Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: 01 Jan 1998 02:51:33 GMT In-Reply-To: Hunter Goatley's message of Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:22:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009BF806.CDAB0F3C.13@goat.process.com> Hunter Goatley writes: >For instance, the attached file uses as a boundary : >------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_453.349facce.imwmabx0.GATESMTP > >but in the mail, the definition of the boundary is : > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- > =_0_MIME_Boundary_453.349facce.imwmabx0.GATESMTP" > >So someone puts a Return whih is the problem indeed. Hmm, the normal is to interpret the regexp \n[ \t]+ in the middle of a header as one space, so that *should* not be a problem, unless the MUA has a bug. -- R Levitte, Levitte Programming; Spannv. 38, I; S-161 43 Bromma; SWEDEN Tel: +46-8-26 52 47; Cel: +46-708-20 09 64; No fax right now PGP key fingerprint = A6 96 C0 34 3A 96 AA 6C B0 D5 9A DF D2 E9 9C 65 Check http://richard.levitte.org/ for my public key. bastard@bofh.se "price, performance, quality. Choose any two you like" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:10:00 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:09:54 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BFADE.459969DE.15@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: MIME problem levitte@lp.se (Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker) writes: > > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- > > =_0_MIME_Boundary_453.349facce.imwmabx0.GATESMTP" > > > >So someone puts a Return whih is the problem indeed. > >Hmm, the normal is to interpret the regexp \n[ \t]+ in the middle of a >header as one space, so that *should* not be a problem, unless the MUA >has a bug. > My guess is that the MUA doesn't do that because it's a quoted string.... BTW, MX V5.0 will not wrap Content-Type lines.... And we hope to release MX V5.0 next week. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com TCPware & MultiNet: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:04:44 -0600 Sender: hig_ipa@IPA.FhG.de Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:05:34 EST From: "H.Ganzenberg FhG-Stuttgart E-mail:hig@ipa.fhg.de" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: hig_ipa@IPA.FhG.de Message-ID: <009BFD49.ED2952E0.3009@venus.IPA.FhG.de> unsubscribe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:36:28 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980105153211.00ae2260@moses.acu.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 15:32:12 -0600 To: mx-list@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: moderated list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I found Jonathan Hardis's message telling how to make a list moderated.... Will moderated lists be part of MX 5.x or should I go ahead and implement this SITE method? If I should implement the SITE method - it appears the method outlined below is for only one moderated list - in other words I have to enter new code in SITE_DELIVER.COM for each list I want to moderate beginning with something like: IF P1 .EQS. "MODERATED-MAILLIST2" THEN GOTO Moderated_MailList2_Start If that is not true then how does the current code handle multiple moderated lists on a single server? This is from the document anonymous_root:[lists.mx-list]mx-list.1996-05 Archive-Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:30:41 CST Sender: owner- Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:29:51 EDT From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: beeson@uamont.edu, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009A238F.901C24A0.2@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: Making a list moderated > I am trying to figure out how to make a currently un-moderated list > moderated. Here's how I do it, using the SITE interface. DEFINE REWRITE_RULE DEFINE REWRITE_RULE where: MailList is a mailing list that I run xxx is a secret password DEFINE PATH "yyy" SITE/ROUTE="MODERATED" DEFINE PATH "mod-in" SITE/ROUTE="MOD-IN" where: yyy is a secret password, which only the moderators know. They send mail to MailList%yyy@garnet.nist.gov. MX_DEVICE:[MX.EXE]SITE_DELIVER.COM looks like: $ SET NOON $ MX_ENTER := $MX_EXE:MX_SITE_IN $ $! Separate processing for different routes $ $ IF P1 .EQS. "FAX" THEN GOTO FAX_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "MODERATED" THEN GOTO Moderated_Start $ IF P1 .EQS. "MOD-IN" THEN GOTO Mod_In_Start $ EXIT 4 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- $ .... $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- $ $ Moderated_Start: $! $! Modify contents of source-file (P2) to remove Resent-To: header $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MODERATED.DAT 'P2' $! $! Modify contents of dest-file (P3) to change from %yyy to -xxx $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MODERATED.DAT 'P3' $ $ NEW_P2 = F$PARSE(";2",P2) $ NEW_P3 = F$PARSE(";2",P3) $! $! Send processed file on its way $! $ MX_ENTER 'NEW_P2' 'NEW_P3' "''P4'" $ $! Debugging information (Uncomment to see what's happening) $! $! $ open/write ofile mx_exe:showoff.txt $! $ write ofile p1 $! $ write ofile p2 $! $ write ofile p3 $! $ write ofile p4 $! $ write ofile new_p2 $! $ write ofile new_p3 $! $ close ofile $! $ copy 'p2' mx_exe:file2.txt $! $ copy 'p3' mx_exe:file3.txt $! $ copy 'new_p2' mx_exe:filen2.txt $! $ copy 'new_p3' mx_exe:filen3.txt $ $ DELETE 'NEW_P2' $ DELETE 'NEW_P3' $ $ EXIT 1 $ $!------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- $ $ Mod_In_Start: $ $ MX_ENTER 'P2' MX_SITE_DIR:MOD1.TXT "''P4'" $ MX_ENTER 'P2' MX_SITE_DIR:MOD2.TXT "''P4'" $ $! (MOD1 and MOD2 are files containing the addresses of the $! individual moderators.) $ $ EXIT 1 MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P3_MODERATED.DAT looks like: SUBSTITUTE/@yyy>/-xxx@GARNET.NIST.GOV>/ WHOLE /NOTYPE EXIT MX_ROOT:[SITE]CHANGE_P2_MODERATED.DAT looks like: FIND "%yyy@" SUBSTITUTE/%yyy// /NOTYPE FIND "%yyy@" DELETE . EXIT This is very specific for the mail system that the moderator users. The first edit removes the secret word yyy from a Received From header. (Why a mailer puts the destination user@host in the Received From header is beyond me.) The second edit deletes the Resent-From header. (When the moderator accepts the message, forwarding it, a Resent-From header is added.) The moderator is not local, and does not use a VAX. If I understand some old notes, when moderating using VMS Mail, the appropriate files were: DELETE 2 THRU 12 EXIT if the FORWARD command was used, and EXIT if the FORWARD/NOHEADER command was used. Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:47:10 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:47:01 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009BFD79.A0A7C1C9.5@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: moderated list Tom Dolan writes: > >I found Jonathan Hardis's message telling how to make a list >moderated.... > >Will moderated lists be part of MX 5.x or should I go ahead and >implement this SITE method? > Go ahead with the SITE method. Moderated lists are not supported in MX V5.0 yet. >If I should implement the SITE method - it appears the method >outlined below is for only one moderated list - in other words I >have to enter new code in SITE_DELIVER.COM for each list I want to >moderate beginning with something like: > > IF P1 .EQS. "MODERATED-MAILLIST2" THEN GOTO Moderated_MailList2_Start > Yes, that's right. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:55:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:55:43 +0200 From: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Message-ID: <009BFE2A.DCA31410.221@clenche.msh.unicaen.fr> Subject: Urgent - How can I stop beeing used as spam relay ? Happy new year to all MX users As you can see in the following message, my SMTP server (using MX 4.2) has been used as spam relay. Acording to the messages of the list, MX 5.0 will give means to prevent this. What can I do urgently to keep operational my SMTP service (included restricting it to the users of my domain unicaen.fr) Thank you very much for giving me quickly a solution. ____________________________________________________________________________ From: MX%"spam@lm.com" 4-JAN-1998 07:50:32.72 To: MX%"postmaster@clenche.msh.unicaen.fr" CC: Subj: Host clenche.msh.unicaen.fr is banned from Telerama! Return-Path: Received: from ivory.lm.com by clenche.msh.unicaen.fr (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Jan 1998 07:50:31 +0200 Received: (from root@localhost) by ivory.lm.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA23233 for postmaster@clenche.msh.unicaen.fr; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:50:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:50:30 -0500 (EST) From: spam@lm.com Message-ID: <199801040650.BAA23233@ivory.lm.com> To: postmaster@clenche.msh.unicaen.fr Subject: Host clenche.msh.unicaen.fr is banned from Telerama! Regarding host: clenche.msh.unicaen.fr (193.55.125.50) Your site has been banned for spamming Telerama Internet (http://www.lm.com). If you feel this has been done in error, or you are unaware of spam activity originating from your site, please send email to "spam@ees.com". More information about Telerama's spam blocking activities can be found at http://www.lm.com/spam.html. Nearly all spam received by Telerama is from systems which have been used in 'relay' attacks. If you are unaware of your site being used for such activity we can supply you with the message which caused your site to be banned. This is an automated message sent weekly to all hosts on Telerama's ban list. - Mike UCE Manager, Telerama Internet spam@ees.com ******************************************************************************* Jacques LEYRAT ! Tel: 02 31 56 62 12 Centre de Ressources Informatiques (C.R.I.U.C) ! Universite de Caen ! Fax: 02 31 44 58 54 14032 Caen Cedex ! FRANCE !e-mail: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr ******************************************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:51:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:50:59 +0200 From: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Message-ID: <009BFF1D.46A4A3EA.129@clenche.msh.unicaen.fr> Subject: MX 5.0 ? Following my yesterday's message about SPAM attacks, I compiled the archives of the List treating of spamming. Please let me know if I must implement one of the suggestions (Unix SMTP server, "manual" treatment of spam in the queue,... I don't have MULTINET) or can I hope version 5.0 will be released very soon ? Thanks for any help. ******************************************************************************* Jacques LEYRAT ! Tel: 02 31 56 62 12 Centre de Ressources Informatiques (C.R.I.U.C) ! Universite de Caen ! Fax: 02 31 44 58 54 14032 Caen Cedex ! FRANCE !e-mail: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr ******************************************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:47 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:28:41 +0100 Message-ID: <98010916284082@ecn01.ec-nantes.fr> From: Claude.Erbacher@ec-nantes.fr (C. ERBACHER - Centrale Nantes - Tel : 02 40 37 16 26) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@madgoat.com Subject: How to have more than 4 threads for the MX SMTP Server Hello, I am running MX 4.2 and want to have more than 4 threads for the MX SMTP Server. In the documentation, I have seen that it is possible by defining the logical MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS to an other value. When so, the process MX Server require larger process quotas and limits. I have define the logical MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS to 8 (in the file sys$startup:mx_startup.com) and have doubled the values of the process quotas and limits (in the file : mx_exe:mx_start.com). But yet the MX SMTP Server works always with 4 threads. Thanks for any help. Claude ERBACHER ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:02:05 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:01:55 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0076.76627657.4@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: How to have more than 4 threads for the MX SMTP Server Claude.Erbacher@ec-nantes.fr (C. ERBACHER - Centrale Nantes - Tel : writes: > > I have define the logical MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS to 8 (in the file >sys$startup:mx_startup.com) and have doubled the values of the process quotas >and limits (in the file : mx_exe:mx_start.com). But yet the MX SMTP Server >works always with 4 threads. > Did you define it /SYSTEM/EXEC? Did you stop and restart the MX SMTP Server after defining it? I'm assuming you did, but have to ask. Other than that, everything should work OK. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:42:27 -0600 From: eplan@kapsch.co.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: How to have more than 4 threads for the MX SMTP Server Date: 10 Jan 98 13:33:32 GMT Message-ID: <34b778ac.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <98010916284082@ecn01.ec-nantes.fr>, Claude.Erbacher@ec-nantes.fr (C. ERBACHER - Centrale Nantes - Tel : 02 40 37 16 26) writes: > I am running MX 4.2 and want to have more than 4 threads for the >MX SMTP Server. > In the documentation, I have seen that it is possible by defining >the logical MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS to an other value. When so, the process >MX Server require larger process quotas and limits. > > I have define the logical MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS to 8 (in the file >sys$startup:mx_startup.com) and have doubled the values of the process quotas >and limits (in the file : mx_exe:mx_start.com). But yet the MX SMTP Server >works always with 4 threads. Check if the MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS logical (with value 16) you set in the SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP.COM is not overwritten by the content of MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT (value 4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2382 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 Technical Computer Center (ADV) E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:10:57 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:10:46 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0151.A096ABB0.11@goat.process.com> Subject: Re: How to have more than 4 threads for the MX SMTP Server eplan@kapsch.co.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: > >Check if the MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS logical (with value 16) you set in the >SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP.COM is not overwritten by the content of >MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT (value 4) > Oh, yeah! There's that too! 8-) I had forgotten the logical was defined in there. Thanks, Peter. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ MultiNet & TCPware: The Best TCP/IP for OpenVMS http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:41:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:28:47 +0100 Message-ID: <98011209284742@ecn01.ec-nantes.fr> From: Claude.Erbacher@ec-nantes.fr (C. ERBACHER - Centrale Nantes - Tel : 02 40 37 16 26) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@madgoat.com Subject: Re: How to have more than 4 threads for the MX SMTP Server |> |> I have define the logical MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS to 8 (in the file |>sys$startup:mx_startup.com) and have doubled the values of the process quotas |>and limits (in the file : mx_exe:mx_start.com). But yet the MX SMTP Server |>works always with 4 threads. |> | |Did you define it /SYSTEM/EXEC? Yes of course. I have make exactly that is describe in the documentation. | Did you stop and restart the MX SMTP Server after defining it? I'm assuming |you did, but have to ask. Other than that, everything should work OK. Yes. I have even reboot the station, but the logical MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS has always the value 4. Perhaps, should this logical be defined in a other file than sys$startup:mx_startup.com ? Other idea ? Thank you. Claude ERBACHER ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:14:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:10:38 +0100 Message-ID: <98011210103787@ecn01.ec-nantes.fr> From: Claude.Erbacher@ec-nantes.fr (C. ERBACHER - Centrale Nantes - Tel : 02 40 37 16 26) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@madgoat.com Subject: Re: How to have more than 4 threads for the MX SMTP Server |> |>Check if the MX_SMTP_SERVER_THREADS logical (with value 16) you set in the |>SYS$STARTUP:MX_STARTUP.COM is not overwritten by the content of |>MX_DIR:MX_LOGICALS.DAT (value 4) |> |Oh, yeah! There's that too! 8-) I had forgotten the logical was |defined in there. Thanks, Peter. You are right. The solution was here, and now all is OK. Excuse me for my previous mail. I have posted it before having reading your answer. Best regards. Claude ERBACHER ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:10:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:10:40 +0200 From: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Message-ID: <009C02DB.8FCE1056.76@clenche.msh.unicaen.fr> Subject: SPAM and MX 4.2 Hello, As the use of my server as spam relay goes on and generates complaints, could anyone provide me with his response to this problem. Has anyone implemented a SITE solution, as suggested in the following message of Hunther ? Thank you for any help > > Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr writes: > > > >Hello, > > > >As I didn't receive any message from MX-List since my last questions, I take > >the liberty of adressing this directly to yourselves. > >I apologize for my insistance, but I should like to know if MX 5.0 will be soon > >available, or if there is a beta-test release that I should reasonably install > >on my domain SMTP Server. > >I have yet been banned from Telerama, and am really afraid by the possibility > >of beeing blacklisted and banned from many sites after other spam relay > >attacks without having any quick solution for maintaining my mail system > >available. > >Thank you very much for your response, and for all your heavy work on MX. > > > Hi, Jacques. Sorry we haven't you yet on MX-List. MX V5.0 is indeed > expected to be released soon. Unfortunately, there are a couple of > factors outside of our control that are delaying the release. If you > can hang in there another couple of weeks or so, V5.0 will be ready. > Otherwise, you might want to go ahead and implement the SITE filtering > someone suggested. > > Hunter > ------ ******************************************************************************* Jacques LEYRAT ! Tel: 02 31 56 62 12 Centre de Ressources Informatiques (C.R.I.U.C) ! Universite de Caen ! Fax: 02 31 44 58 54 14032 Caen Cedex ! FRANCE !e-mail: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr ******************************************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:22 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:00 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Info-MadGoat@MadGoat.com CC: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C03B3.B9474129.13@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: MadGoat products and VMS upgrade Rainy days writes: > >If I'm going to upgrade MX I would rather go to V5. Agreed. >If my VMS upgrade is on for March 21, 1998 can I expect to upgrade to V5 by >then? (I know, I know. The "when will V5 be available?" is THE question >of the last few months...) > Yes, MX V5.0 will definitely be released by then. We're hoping to release it this week, but it's unclear if that'll happen or not. There are factors outside of our control that have delayed its release. Code-wise, MX V5.0 has been finished and in final beta-test for several weeks now. Hopefully, we can make another announcement this week or the week of 26-JAN-1998. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:11:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:10:20 -0500 From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Message-ID: <009C03C6.35748920.11@swdev.si.com> Subject: SMTP RFC changes I heard recently that the definitions of SMTP have change to disallow underscores in node names. In fact, two of the mailers we have here that we updated recently now reject messages from domains whose node names contain underscores. Have any of you heard about this? -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:22:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:22:01 EST From: "Jonathan E. Hardis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: tillman_brian@si.com, hardis@garnet.nist.gov Message-ID: <009C03C7.D77E0D80.14@garnet.nist.gov> Subject: RE: SMTP RFC changes > I heard recently that the definitions of SMTP have change to disallow > underscores in node names. In fact, two of the mailers we have here that we > updated recently now reject messages from domains whose node names contain > underscores. Have any of you heard about this? Old news ... not quite on the mark. Underscores were *never* allowed in node names, according to the RFC. However, early versions of BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Daemon), the standard Unix name server/resolver, didn't enforce the restriction. Newer versions do. In other words, it's a DNS issue, not an SMTP issue. As newer versions of BIND enter usage (often because of OS upgrades), the DNS becomes less and less tolerant of underscores in host names. Underscores in user names are not affected by this. - Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:53:12 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: from to address Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:17:48 -0600 Message-ID: <34BC123C.307D969D@MadGoat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Ricci_B@subway.com To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Robert Ricci wrote: > > repost, have nnot solved yet,,,running mx041 > need to rewrite the following from: address either in mx or sendmail > or at our pop 3 server running process software tcpware. > "tomato::ricci_r"@pickle.subway.com > to > ricci_r@subway.com > > have tried sendmail on unix box, the rewrite rules under mx, have > not yet tried writing an address modification interface for mx yet, > but i will unless someone has found an easier way....i can be reached > at ricci_r@subway.com.....thanks You should be able to use the ADDRESS_REWRITER from FTP.MADGOAT.COM in [.MX.EXAMPLES] to do this, I think. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:41:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:43:49 AST From: j_sanmiguel@CUTBAD.UPR.CLU.EDU Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Message-ID: <009C047A.E8710F0D.17@CUTBAD.UPR.CLU.EDU> Subject: PROBLEMS WITH MX SMTP Server Hi, First the environment: VAX 4000-300 OPENVMS 7.1 MULTINET 4.0C NETLIB 2.1B MX 4.2 then when I tried to start MX everything run but except this: 14-JAN-1998 12:08:16.17: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022F) starting 14-JAN-1998 12:08:16.76: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022F) exiting, status = 10000094 Please help... Thanks a lot, JJSM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:47:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 9:47:10 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: j_sanmiguel@CUTBAD.UPR.CLU.EDU Message-ID: <980114094710.20268aa1@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: PROBLEMS WITH MX SMTP Server >>First the environment: > > VAX 4000-300 > OPENVMS 7.1 > MULTINET 4.0C > NETLIB 2.1B > MX 4.2 > >then when I tried to start MX everything run but except this: > >14-JAN-1998 12:08:16.17: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022F) starting >14-JAN-1998 12:08:16.76: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022F) exiting, > status = 10000094 That's SS$_DUPLNAM, which you would get if there is already a process listening on the SMTP port. Make sure that you have disabled the MultiNet SMTP server: $ MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER DISABLE SMTP EXIT $ @MULTINET:START_SERVER ! to have the change take effect -Matt -- Matthew Madison | | madison@cisco.com Cisco Systems | 101 Cooper St. | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA | +1 408 457 5390 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:03:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:05:52 AST From: j_sanmiguel@CUTBAD.UPR.CLU.EDU Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: j_sanmiguel@CUTBAD.UPR.CLU.EDU Message-ID: <009C047D.FCCE2433.10@CUTBAD.UPR.CLU.EDU> Subject: RE: PROBLEMS WITH MX SMTP Server Matt Madison writes: >>>First the environment: >> >> VAX 4000-300 >> OPENVMS 7.1 >> MULTINET 4.0C >> NETLIB 2.1B >> MX 4.2 >> >>then when I tried to start MX everything run but except this: >> >>14-JAN-1998 12:08:16.17: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022F) starting >>14-JAN-1998 12:08:16.76: MX SMTP Server (pid 0000022F) exiting, >> status = 10000094 > >That's SS$_DUPLNAM, which you would get if there is already a process >listening on the SMTP port. Make sure that you have disabled the MultiNet >SMTP server: > >$ MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER >DISABLE SMTP >EXIT >$ @MULTINET:START_SERVER ! to have the change take effect > >-Matt > >-- >Matthew Madison | | madison@cisco.com >Cisco Systems | 101 Cooper St. | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA | +1 408 457 5390 IT WORKS JUST FINE. THANKS A LOT. JJSM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:26:58 -0600 From: "Patrick Cox" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:31:27 AST Subject: MX4.2 Droping SMTP Delivery Agents Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com In-Reply-To: <980114094710.20268aa1@Cisco.COM> Message-ID: Has anyone had this problem before? I checked on MX today and found only one SMTP DA running. I shutdown MX and restarted it. But all during today the odd Agent has been dropped I'm down to 7 (out of 12) right now. I have run MX_STARTUP SMTP to get them going again without a complete shutdown. If ya need more info, just ask! TTYL, ''' Information Technology Patrick Cox (o o) The Resources Corporate Services Unit ---------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------------ Interactive:(902)893-6233 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:12:27 -0600 Sender: mhitch@msu.oscs.montana.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:12:15 MDT -0600 From: "Michael L. Hitch" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0487.42CFEF0D.388@msu.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: RE: MX4.2 Droping SMTP Delivery Agents "Patrick Cox" writes: > Has anyone had this problem before? Numerous times. > I checked on MX today and found only one SMTP DA running. I shutdown > MX and restarted it. But all during today the odd Agent has been > dropped I'm down to 7 (out of 12) right now. > > I have run MX_STARTUP SMTP to get them going again without a complete > shutdown. Check the MX_SMTP_DIR:MX_SMTP_node*.LOG files. They unsually show the exit status for the process (the status will need to be converted to a more meaningful text - I use F$MESSAGE()). --- Michael L. Hitch mhitch@montana.edu Computer Consultant, Information Technology Center Montana State University, Bozeman, MT USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:39 -0600 From: "Patrick Cox" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:28:59 AST Subject: RE: MX4.2 Droping SMTP Delivery Agents Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com In-Reply-To: <009C0487.42CFEF0D.388@msu.oscs.montana.edu> Message-ID: <10D1F4C0F89@es.nsac.ns.ca> On 14 Jan 98 at 15:12, Michael L. Hitch wrote: > Check the MX_SMTP_DIR:MX_SMTP_node*.LOG files. They unsually show > the > exit status for the process (the status will need to be converted to a > more meaningful text - I use F$MESSAGE()). Here is what I got from checking the log files: $ type mx_smtp_ac_2.log 15-JAN-1998 13:04:14.23: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) starting 15-JAN-1998 13:12:48.82: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) exiting, status = 10248054 $ write sys$output f$message(10248054) %NONAME-?-NOMSG, Message number 009C5F76 Cool eh? A whole 8 minutes up. It's down to 6 agents now. It's not a critical thing just annoying right now. TTYL, ''' Information Technology Patrick Cox (o o) The Resources Corporate Services Unit ---------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------------ Interactive:(902)893-6233 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:30:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:30:36 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <980115113036.20277856@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: MX4.2 Droping SMTP Delivery Agents >> Check the MX_SMTP_DIR:MX_SMTP_node*.LOG files. They unsually show >> the >> exit status for the process (the status will need to be converted to a >> more meaningful text - I use F$MESSAGE()). > >Here is what I got from checking the log files: > >$ type mx_smtp_ac_2.log >15-JAN-1998 13:04:14.23: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) starting >15-JAN-1998 13:12:48.82: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) exiting, status = 10248054 > >$ write sys$output f$message(10248054) >%NONAME-?-NOMSG, Message number 009C5F76 The status is in hex, so the message is %STR-F-ILLSTRCLA, illegal string class >Cool eh? A whole 8 minutes up. >It's down to 6 agents now. It's not a critical thing just annoying >right now. Which probably means you've got a message in the queue that has some kind of funky (perhaps extremely long) header in it that the agent isn't handling too well. Try turning on debugging in the SMTP agent; next time one of the agents dies, the debug log should tell you which message it was trying to process at the time. Then you can dump out the envelope & header info and see if there's anything unusual about the message. -Matt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:18 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:05 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0542.92CB1CEC.3@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: MX4.2 Droping SMTP Delivery Agents "Patrick Cox" writes: > >15-JAN-1998 13:04:14.23: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) starting >15-JAN-1998 13:12:48.82: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) exiting, status = 10248054 > >$ write sys$output f$message(10248054) >%NONAME-?-NOMSG, Message number 009C5F76 > It's a hex number: $ write sys$output f$message(%x10248054) %STR-F-ILLSTRCLA, illegal string class As to why: I don't know. Have you enabled MX SMTP debugging? $ define/system/exec mx_smtp_debug true That'll create log files in MX_SMTP_DIR:. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:38:51 -0600 From: "Patrick Cox" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:42:37 AST Subject: RE: MX4.2 Droping SMTP Delivery Agents Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com In-Reply-To: <980115113036.20277856@Cisco.COM> Message-ID: <1245AAE5B58@es.nsac.ns.ca> On 15 Jan 98 at 11:30, Matt Madison wrote: > >Here is what I got from checking the log files: > > > >$ type mx_smtp_ac_2.log > >15-JAN-1998 13:04:14.23: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) starting > >15-JAN-1998 13:12:48.82: MX SMTP#2 (pid 00000243) exiting, status = > >10248054 > > > >$ write sys$output f$message(10248054) > >%NONAME-?-NOMSG, Message number 009C5F76 > > The status is in hex, so the message is > > %STR-F-ILLSTRCLA, illegal string class > > Which probably means you've got a message in the queue that has some > kind of funky (perhaps extremely long) header in it that the agent > isn't handling too well. Try turning on debugging in the SMTP agent; > next time one of the agents dies, the debug log should tell you which > message it was trying to process at the time. Then you can dump out > the envelope & header info and see if there's anything unusual about > the message. Found the offending mail message. It had a hdr_info file that was 1.5Kb long, large To: header. The log file stopped before the end of the To: header was sent. It was only spam so I cancelled it. Our retry interval is 30 minutes. So whenever it would try to resend it, it would take out another smtp delivery agent. Thanx!! TTYL, ''' Information Technology Patrick Cox (o o) The Resources Corporate Services Unit ---------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------------ Interactive:(902)893-6233 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:53:26 -0600 Sender: henrym@CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:53:17 -0800 From: "Henry W. Miller" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: henrym@SACTO.MP.USBR.GOV Message-ID: <009C0694.AB94974B.5@CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV> Subject: RE: SMTP RFC changes > From: MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 13-JAN-1998 13:17:30.05 > To: MX%"mx-list@madgoat.com" > CC: > Subj: SMTP RFC changes > On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:10:20 -0500, "Brian Tillman, x8425" said: "Brian Tillman, x8425" writes: > I heard recently that the definitions of SMTP have change to disallow > underscores in node names. In fact, two of the mailers we have here that we > updated recently now reject messages from domains whose node names contain > underscores. Have any of you heard about this? > -- > Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com > Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com > 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent > Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" > This opinion doesn't represent that of my company Brian, I don't about any specific changes to the SMTP specs concerning underscores in host names, but that have ALWAYS been illegal in DNS; BIND 4.9.6 just finally got around to enforcing this restriction. -HWM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:44:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:40:24 GMT From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM Message-ID: <009C0ABB.5F6D2F9C.670@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: MX handling of delivery errors. Comments on the following problem would be appreciated. A user at our site is subscribed to a mailing list which, to quote the list-owner: "We have the listowner address in the Sender: We have the list address in the To: and Reply-To: The message went to the list address and not the listowner address." Our user had erroneously SET FORWARD in VMS MAIL to a non-existent address, resulting in this message back to the sender (I've masked the true identity of the user!): >Error-For: XXXX.YYYY@KCL.AC.UK >Error-Code: 3 >Error-Text: %MX_SMTP-F-MBX_UNAVAILABLE, action not taken: mailbox unavailable > -(Via MAIL.KCL.AC.UK) > -Transcript: > -Rcvd: 220 mail.kcl.ac.uk ESMTP Sendmail 8.8.8/8.8.8; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:03:52 GMT > -Sent: HELO alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk > -Rcvd: 250 mail.kcl.ac.uk Hello alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.2.1], pleased to meet you > -Sent: MAIL FROM: > -Rcvd: 250 ... Sender ok > -Sent: RCPT TO: > -Rcvd: 550 ... User unknown > -Sent: QUIT > -Rcvd: 221 mail.kcl.ac.uk closing connection This error message went back to the list and was redistributed, resulting in a mail loop. The list owner pointed out to me the following extract from RFC822: --------------------------------------------------------------------- 4.4.4. AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO For systems which automatically generate address lists for replies to messages, the following recommendations are made: o The "Sender" field mailbox should be sent notices of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ any problems in transport or delivery of the original ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ messages. If there is no "Sender" field, then the ^^^^^^^^^ "From" field mailbox should be used. o The "Sender" field mailbox should NEVER be used automatically, in a recipient's reply message. o If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to the address(es) indicated in the "From" field. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Which seems to imply that MX is not conforming to this, since it should have gone back to the 'Sender:' and avoided the mail loop. Here are the headers, showing the existence of that field: >From Postmaster@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk Thu Jan 22 10:10:01 1998 >Received: from mail.kcl.ac.uk (root@mail.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.66.6]) > by naga.mailbase.ac.uk (8.8.x/Mailbase) with ESMTP id KAA10795; > Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:09:59 GMT >Received: from alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk (alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.2.1]) > by mail.kcl.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01049 > for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:03:55 GMT >Message-Id: <199801221003.KAA01049@mail.kcl.ac.uk> >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:11:11 BST >X-Report-Type: Nondelivery; boundary="> Error description:" >Subject: SMTP delivery error >From: SMTP delivery agent >To: >X-List: molecular-cell-speak@mailbase.ac.uk >X-Unsub: To leave, send text 'leave molecular-cell-speak' to mailbase@mailbase.ac.uk >Reply-To: molecular-cell-speak@mailbase.ac.uk >Sender: molecular-cell-speak-request@mailbase.ac.uk >Precedence: list >Status: OR So, my question is: how does MX handle such a case and is it correct (accoring to RFC822)? If it is not correct, then is it fixed in 5.0? Thanks for any responses.. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:15:13 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:15:04 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: A.HARPER@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009C0A9E.B01109A9.9@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: MX handling of delivery errors. Andy Harper writes: > >Comments on the following problem would be appreciated. > >> -Sent: MAIL FROM: It's actually this line that should be used (according to RFC821, which applies for bounces and not RFC822). >So, my question is: how does MX handle such a case and is it correct (accoring >to RFC822)? If it is not correct, then is it fixed in 5.0? >Thanks for any responses.. > This is a problem in the configuration of the system running the list, not MX. RFC821 specifies how bounces should be handled, and that's what the MAIL FROM: is used for. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:33:15 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980122131910.01826c50@moses.acu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:19:11 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: MLF error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MX People, Is there a limit to how many subscribers can be in an MX mailing list? mx_mlf_log.log shows FORWARD_MESSAGE processing to about 2060 subscribers - the last entry in the log is: 22-JAN-1998 13:00:02.97 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding to: GRPAGE1@AOL.COM [EOB] at that point the MLF process dies. I tried moving the subscribers around thinking there may be a corrupt address - it didn't make any difference - MLF chokes and dies when sending messages to this mailing list at about 2060 subscribers no matter what the subscribers are. Help Please! Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:36:52 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:36:38 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0AC3.3ABF84FD.2@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: MLF error Tom Dolan writes: > >MX People, > >Is there a limit to how many subscribers can be in an MX mailing list? > There shouldn't be, no. (There's nothing in the code putting a limit on it.) >mx_mlf_log.log shows FORWARD_MESSAGE processing to about 2060 >subscribers - the last entry in the log is: > >22-JAN-1998 13:00:02.97 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding to: >GRPAGE1@AOL.COM >[EOB] > >at that point the MLF process dies. > With what error? My guess is that the process is running out of memory. You might try increasing the memory parameters for the MLF process (and/or the page file quota). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:09:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980122150725.0180ce80@moses.acu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:07:27 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: MLF error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:36 PM 1/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >>at that point the MLF process dies. >> >With what error? My guess is that the process is running out of >memory. You might try increasing the memory parameters for the MLF >process (and/or the page file quota). I think my pagefile is big enough - how do I increase memory just for MLF? Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:57 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:46 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0AD0.60CCC266.17@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: MLF error Tom Dolan writes: > >At 01:36 PM 1/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>at that point the MLF process dies. >>> >>With what error? My guess is that the process is running out of >>memory. You might try increasing the memory parameters for the MLF >>process (and/or the page file quota). > >I think my pagefile is big enough - how do I increase memory just >for MLF? > You'll have to edit MX_EXE:MX_START.COM and look for START_MLF:, then add whatever RUN qualifiers you want to add (/WSEXTENT, /PAGE_FILE, etc.). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:56:54 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980122155513.017e3550@moses.acu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:55:14 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: MLF error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >You'll have to edit MX_EXE:MX_START.COM and look for START_MLF:, then >add whatever RUN qualifiers you want to add (/WSEXTENT, /PAGE_FILE, >etc.). OK - the mlf working set now is: WS WS WS WS Pages Page Username Processname State Extnt Quota Deflt Size in WS faults Image SYSTEM MX MLF HIB 14304 14004 4004 4004 1089 925 MX_MLF MX_MLF still crashes when I send a message to our list with over 2000 subscribers. mx_mlf_log.log does not show why - any suggestions on how to find out why it is crashing? Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:10:28 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:10:18 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0AD8.B2730BE0.4@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: MLF error Tom Dolan writes: > >MX_MLF still crashes when I send a message to our list with over >2000 subscribers. > >mx_mlf_log.log does not show why - any suggestions on how to find >out why it is crashing? > Look in the MX_MLF_node.LOG file. Or even better, run MX_EXE:MX_MLF.EXE interactively to see what stack dump you get. Note that the memory usage by MX MLF has been considerably dropped in MX V5.0, which should be available next week. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:39:43 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:39:27 -0800 From: Dan Wing Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <980122143927.2028d483@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: MLF error >Note that the memory usage by MX MLF has been considerably dropped in >MX V5.0, which should be available next week. More importantly, MLF can be told to split mailing lists into individual queue entires. This speeds up delivery, as the 2000th subscriber doesn't have to wait for mail to be delivered to the first 1999 subscribers. Instead MLF can split it into, say, twenty entries each with 100 subscribers, so there is less latency for each subscriber (but more work for your outgoing SMTP agents). -Dan Wing ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:53:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980122165123.017dd390@moses.acu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:51:24 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: MLF error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:10 PM 1/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >Tom Dolan writes: >> >>MX_MLF still crashes when I send a message to our list with over >>2000 subscribers. >> >Look in the MX_MLF_node.LOG file. Or even better, run >MX_EXE:MX_MLF.EXE interactively to see what stack dump you get. > Of course it didn't crash when I ran MX_MLF.EXE interactively!! The message got sent to all 2391 subscribers. I ran it interactively under the SYSTEM account - it should have the same priveleges and working set as a detached process - no telling what's going on. I bet MX5.0 will fix it - we only send one message a month to this big one so it's not a looming problem... Thanks! Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:13:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:57:20 MET-1MET DST From: "Eberhard Mater, DLR, DV-IG, 0551/709-2453" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0B5C.FEC6424E.3@dlrvms.go.dlr.de> Subject: RE: MLF error Hi Tom, i've raise wsextent for the mx user: mx$mailer to 20480, and modified: mx_exe:mx_start.com: $!# START = "RUN/AST_LIMIT=100/BUFFER=40000/ENQUE=300/MAXIMUM=1024"+- !# "/FILE_LIM=40/IO_BUF=50/IO_DIR=50/JOB_TABLE=0/EXTENT=3000"+- !# "/PAGE_FILE=15000/QUEUE=50/TIME_LIMIT=0/DETACH/PRIV=ALL/PRIO=4"+- !# "/UIC=[1,4]" $! $ START = "RUN/AST_LIMIT=100/BUFFER=40000/ENQUE=300/MAXIMUM=1024"+- "/FILE_LIM=40/IO_BUF=50/IO_DIR=50/JOB_TABLE=0"+- "/QUEUE=50/TIME_LIMIT=0/DETACH/PRIV=ALL/PRIO=4"+- "/UIC=[1,4]" Now mlf can handle my biggest list with about 3500 subscribers. Eberhard -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best Regards Eberhard Mater _______________________________________________________________ | Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt e.V (DLR) | | (German Aerospace Center) | | Eberhard Mater | | D-37073 Goettingen, Bunsenstr.10 | /) Phone: +49 551 709-2453 FAX: +49 551 709-2169 (\ / ) eMail: Eberhard.Mater@dlr.de ( \ _( (|________________________________________________________________) ) /> (((\ \) /,) / ) / //))/ (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_/ ///// \ / \ / \ _/ \_ / ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:48:34 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980123092956.00ad5ac0@moses.acu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:46:51 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: MLF error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Eberhard, I've raised the extent and set the parameters you outline below - we'll see what happens the next time we post a message to the large group of subscribers! Thanks again. Tom Dolan At 07:57 AM 1/23/98 DST, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >i've raise wsextent for the mx user: mx$mailer to 20480, >and modified: mx_exe:mx_start.com: > >$!# START = "RUN/AST_LIMIT=100/BUFFER=40000/ENQUE=300/MAXIMUM=1024"+- >!# "/FILE_LIM=40/IO_BUF=50/IO_DIR=50/JOB_TABLE=0/EXTENT=3000"+- >!# "/PAGE_FILE=15000/QUEUE=50/TIME_LIMIT=0/DETACH/PRIV=ALL/PRIO=4"+- >!# "/UIC=[1,4]" >$! >$ START = "RUN/AST_LIMIT=100/BUFFER=40000/ENQUE=300/MAXIMUM=1024"+- > "/FILE_LIM=40/IO_BUF=50/IO_DIR=50/JOB_TABLE=0"+- > "/QUEUE=50/TIME_LIMIT=0/DETACH/PRIV=ALL/PRIO=4"+- > "/UIC=[1,4]" > >Now mlf can handle my biggest list with about 3500 subscribers. > >Eberhard >-- > Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best Regards Eberhard Mater > _______________________________________________________________ > | Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt e.V (DLR) | > | (German Aerospace Center) | > | Eberhard Mater | > | D-37073 Goettingen, Bunsenstr.10 | > /) Phone: +49 551 709-2453 FAX: +49 551 709-2169 (\ > / ) eMail: Eberhard.Mater@dlr.de ( \ > _( (|________________________________________________________________) ) /> >(((\ \) /,) / ) / //))/ >(\\\\ \_/ / \ \_/ ///// > \ / \ / > \ _/ \_ / > > Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:50:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:04:30 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: feck@fre.fsu.umd.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0BA1.0CE47000.732@fre.fsu.umd.edu> Subject: Too much mail problem Date sent: 23-JAN-1998 15:55:15 Hello, I was wondering if anyone would have some suggestions/solutions to the problem describe below: One of the listservers on our system has alot of mail traffic. Some of the members of this listserver will complain because of the volume of mail they receive from this listserver. However, these members said that some of the mail generated from the listserver is very useful. I am looking for other methods that these users can read the mail generated from this listserver without getting the mail at their e-mail address. The problems associated with the alternative of putting the listserver as a part of a newsgroup is that the owner of the listserver does not want anyone to post to the listserver that is not a member. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Teresa Feck System Manager _______________________________ Teresa J. Feck Internet: feck@fre.fsu.umd.edu Academic Computing Bitnet: feck@fre.towson.edu Frostburg State University Phonemail: (301) 687-7090 Frostburg, Maryland 21532 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:53:45 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: How do I further identify the cause of these delivery errors? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:38:51 -0600 Message-ID: <34C8B98B.5CA014B3@MadGoat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Mark Corcoran wrote: > > [This error *looks* like it occurred because the user is using Eudora > mail software, which seems to wordwrap but without putting in CR > and/or LFs, and what looked like an ordinary paragraph to him was > actually a very long line. Yes, that's what the problem is. > If it is of any consequence, the user for whom the error was reported, > was second in the mailing list, and there was no error for the first > user (a PC user); is the error actually coming from the remote node, > where quotas and/or buffers may not be of a high enough value?] > Well, it appears to be coming from callable MAIL as it tries to deliver the message over DECnet. Probably nothing you can do about it, other than try to stop such messages from being created. > Is this likely to be the case (that this is actually in the received > headers, or is it just MX helpfully showing me this information, and > thus leading me merrily up the garden path?), and if so, what might > the limit to the length of this line be? > Did your MX SMTP Server die when receiving one of those? If so, that's fixed in the new SMTP_SERVER.EXE image in [.MX.MX042.PATCH] on FTP.MADGOAT.COM. > Obviously, such a user doesn't exist, but when I get the mail > message from MX, it appears to replace the '.'s with '$'s, which is > rather annoying - I'd rather see exactly what it is that the user > typed, prior to LARTing them. It is intentional, and has something to do with what UNIX systems do with "$" or "." or something like that. You can check the archives for the explanation, if you want it. I never can remember why that is. > My point is that if we have '.'s in the email address, then it > should have an '@' in it, so it should attempt a local delivery, You should be able to use the ADDRESS_REWRITER code (modified) to implement something like this.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:56:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:56:14 -0800 From: Dan Wing Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <980123135614.2029285e@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: Too much mail problem >Hello, > I was wondering if anyone would have some suggestions/solutions to the >problem describe below: > One of the listservers on our system has alot of mail traffic. Some of >the members of this listserver will complain because of the volume of mail they >receive from this listserver. However, these members said that some of the >mail generated from the listserver is very useful. I am looking for other >methods that these users can read the mail generated from this listserver >without getting the mail at their e-mail address. Print it on their local printer. :-) How about using the Digest features in MX? >The problems associated >with the alternative of putting the listserver as a part of a newsgroup is that >the owner of the listserver does not want anyone to post to the listserver >that is not a member. So configure your news server to disallow posts to the newsgroup except the IP addressof the box that does the "authorized" submissions. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. -dan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:00:51 -0600 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:00:43 CET-DST From: "Rok Vidmar, NUK Ljubljana" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C0C2F.03FC0F70.1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> Subject: Re: How do I further identify the cause of these delivery errors? > > Obviously, such a user doesn't exist, but when I get the mail > > message from MX, it appears to replace the '.'s with '$'s, which is > > rather annoying - I'd rather see exactly what it is that the user > > typed, prior to LARTing them. > > It is intentional, and has something to do with what UNIX systems > do with "$" or "." or something like that. You can check the > archives for the explanation, if you want it. I never can > remember why that is. I raised this question before, but never got an answer: what about the usernames containing "$"? We *do* have such usernames and MX does no like them at all - which is a shame. Regards, Rok Vidmar Internet: rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si National and University Library Phone: +386 61 125 4218 Turjaska 1, 1000 Ljubljana Fax: +386 61 125 5007 Slovenia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:54:38 -0600 From: "Veli Körkkö" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:03:24 +0200 Message-ID: <6ao19q$9sk$1@hiisi.inet.fi> To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU This coming version of MX V5.0. Would it by any chance contain either POP3 or IMAP4 server? We (DECUS.FI) used to use MX V4.2 instead of UCX SMTP. As POP3 features were in the new UCX version and UCX POP3 server did not really work when using some other SMTP than UCX own, we switched to UCX SMTP. Thereby effectively losing all the nice features that MX otherwise offered. Veli Körkkö korkko@decus.fi ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:02:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:01:08 MET-1MET DST From: "Eberhard Mater, DLR, DV-IG, 0551/709-2453" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C101C.E68D8272.56@dlrvms.go.dlr.de> Subject: RE: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? Hi Veli, have a look at: http://www.tci.uni-hannover.de/extrakt/pop.html for a good version of: IUPOP3 Version 2.0 Eberhard -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best Regards Eberhard Mater _______________________________________________________________ | Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt e.V (DLR) | | (German Aerospace Center) | | Eberhard Mater | | D-37073 Goettingen, Bunsenstr.10 | /) Phone: +49 551 709-2453 FAX: +49 551 709-2169 (\ / ) eMail: Eberhard.Mater@dlr.de ( \ _( (|________________________________________________________________) ) /> (((\ \) /,) / ) / //))/ (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_/ ///// \ / \ / \ _/ \_ / ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:15:23 -0600 Subject: Re: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? Message-ID: From: levitte@lp.se (Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: 29 Jan 1998 09:09:00 GMT In-Reply-To: levitte@lp.se's message of 29 Jan 1998 08:58:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Oops... If you see 3 copies of that recent message, my deepest appologies... ANU-News was misbehaving. -- R Levitte, Levitte Programming; Spannv. 38, I; S-168 35 Bromma; SWEDEN Tel: +46-8-26 52 47; Cel: +46-708-20 09 64; No fax right now PGP key fingerprint = A6 96 C0 34 3A 96 AA 6C B0 D5 9A DF D2 E9 9C 65 Check http://richard.levitte.org/ for my public key. bastard@bofh.se "price, performance, quality. Choose any two you like" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:20:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:20:14 EST From: Herbert Stoeri Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C1027.F3726727.3@eapclu.iap.tuwien.ac.at> Subject: RE: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? You wrote: This coming version of MX V5.0. Would it by any chance contain either POP3 or IMAP4 server? We (DECUS.FI) used to use MX V4.2 instead of UCX SMTP. As POP3 features were in the new UCX version and UCX POP3 server did not really work when using some other SMTP than UCX own, we switched to UCX SMTP. Thereby effectively losing all the nice features that MX otherwise offered. Veli Körkkö korkko@decus.fi I have a combination of ucx pop and Mx 4.1 working. The trick is to define a smtp service in UCX, but switch it off. thus the POP3 server accepts the configuration logicals. This has been discussed in ths list some time ago. Herbert Stoeri +------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Herbert Stoeri | Phone: ++43(1)58801/5586 | | Institut fuer Allgemeine Physik | Fax: ++43(1)5864203 | | Technische Universitaet Wien | email: stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at | | Wiedner Hauptstrasse 8-10 | | | A-1040 Wien | http://www.iap.tuwien.ac.at/ | | Austria | | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:42:16 -0600 Message-ID: <34D04EC1.5247A17F@DeltaTel.RU> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:41:21 +0300 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote: > Oops... > > If you see 3 copies of that recent message, my deepest appologies... > ANU-News was misbehaving. DNNTP probably little better ? :)) -- Sincerely yours... +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Delta Telecom JSC Cel: 7+ (812) 116-3222 191119,Russia, St.Petersburg, Fax: 7+ (812) 112-1099 Transportny per. 3 Fido: 2:5030/279 RSA FingerPrint: D1C7 F4D1 9123 25A8 1C12 2F46 8A83 293A +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/----------- SysMan riding Griphon + ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:17:20 -0600 Subject: Re: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? Message-ID: From: levitte@lp.se (Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: 29 Jan 1998 08:58:22 GMT In-Reply-To: "Veli Körkkö"'s message of Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:03:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <6ao19q$9sk$1@hiisi.inet.fi> "Veli Körkkö" writes: We (DECUS.FI) used to use MX V4.2 instead of UCX SMTP. As POP3 features were in the new UCX version and UCX POP3 server did not really work when using some other SMTP than UCX own, we switched to UCX SMTP. Thereby effectively losing all the nice features that MX otherwise offered. There are two POP3 servers that are freely available and that work like charm with any SMTP server. On of them comes with PINE, the other is IUPOP3. They are available at the following locations: ftp://ftp.indiana.edu/pub/vms/iupop3/v1.8/ ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/pine.zip -- R Levitte, Levitte Programming; Spannv. 38, I; S-168 35 Bromma; SWEDEN Tel: +46-8-26 52 47; Cel: +46-708-20 09 64; No fax right now PGP key fingerprint = A6 96 C0 34 3A 96 AA 6C B0 D5 9A DF D2 E9 9C 65 Check http://richard.levitte.org/ for my public key. bastard@bofh.se "price, performance, quality. Choose any two you like" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:33:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:34:22 BST From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: A.HARPER@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009C1032.4EC3ADE3.1463@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? >This coming version of MX V5.0. Would it by any chance contain either POP3 >or IMAP4 server? > >>We (DECUS.FI) used to use MX V4.2 instead of UCX SMTP. As POP3 features were >in the new >UCX version and UCX POP3 server did not really work when using some other >SMTP than >UCX own, we switched to UCX SMTP. Thereby effectively losing all the nice >features that MX >otherwise offered. THere should be no reason why you cannot run MX over UCX and still use the built-in UCX POP server if you want. POP and SMTP are independent of each other (though many people still seem to think they are tied together in some way). The only common element is the underlying TCP stack. So you can use UCX as your stack, run netlib over that to get MX running and still use the UCX POP server directly over the UCX stack. A better bet though is to go for the latest IUPOP server V2.0 maintained by Michael Stenns. It runs over netlib and provides a very nice POP service. We use it here Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:49:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:49:00 -0500 From: "Brian Tillman, x8425" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: korkko@decus.fi Message-ID: <009C1023.96BC87A0.16@swdev.si.com> Subject: RE: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? >UCX POP3 server did not really work when using some other SMTP This is simply untrue. UCX's POP server _does_ work with MX. See the MX-List archives for a previous discussion. -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:51:45 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980129085018.00b2a730@moses.acu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:50:20 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Echo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MX Progammers, I want to build a system that recieves an email message, then emails that message on to the REPLY TO address. Should I use PATH and SITE to do this or the address rewriter? Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:02:13 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:02:04 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C101D.0835FE4A.2@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Echo Tom Dolan writes: > >I want to build a system that recieves an email message, then >emails that message on to the REPLY TO address. Should I use PATH >and SITE to do this or the address rewriter? > Yes. Either could be used, I think, but the SITE interface will be easier to implement. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:31:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:32:31 BST From: Andy Harper Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: A.HARPER@kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <009C1053.93B641E7.1775@alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? >>UCX POP3 server did not really work when using some other SMTP > >This is simply untrue. UCX's POP server _does_ work with MX. See the MX-List >archives for a previous discussion. Not having run UCX for some time I can't comment accurately on whether it works or not but, if it didn't work, it's likely to be because UCX POP server couldn't cope with the different syntax found in the from field. It's probably expecting to see: SMTP%"user@system" (what UCX writes) but finding: MX%"user@system" (what MX writes) I went through the same problems when getting PINE working on VMS. There's a large chunk of code in there to handle VMS address formats and convert them to RFC822 format! However, since it's possible to define different prefixes using logicals, I cant imagine that UCX wouldn't be able to handle it. Even if it couldn't, just configure MX to write SMTP as the prefix and then UCX POP is unaware of the fact that MX was used and should work. Regards, Andy Harper Kings College London ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:48:30 -0600 From: dyson@scat.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson) Subject: RE: mx v5.0, pop3 or imap4 server? Message-ID: Sender: news@sysadm.physics.uiowa.edu (News Administrator) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:36:49 GMT To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU In article <009C1023.96BC87A0.16@swdev.si.com>, "Brian Tillman, x8425" writes: > >UCX POP3 server did not really work when using some other SMTP > > This is simply untrue. UCX's POP server _does_ work with MX. See the MX-List > archives for a previous discussion. Not completely true or untrue. :) UCX's POP does work with MX, but some recent ECO's did appear to "break" this fact. It seems UCX's POP now *REQUIRES* the string SMTP% in the mail header. It also wanted you to start up UCX's SMTP which did conflict with MX. Before I get a hundred responses, let me point out that MX can then be told to identify itself as "SMTP%" and UCX's SMTP did not really need to be started, just some logicals need defined but the info lead you to believe you needed to run the SMTP server too... I found all this horsing around to be pointless and wasteful of my time. Let me say in closing that it is not straight forward and I highly recommend you pick up IUPOP3 instead (v2.x, see other messages for a location). It is free, stand-alone, stable, being supported, has an e-mail support list, and easy to setup and manage. Note, I have full UCX for free and I still gave up on it's POP3! Another observation, UCX's POP3 *IS* IUPOP3, but it is a very old version... Of course, for those that fully understand all the workings, the problems I had would probably not happened to them, but I do sympathize others who have had these UCX <--> MX problems. Personally, I would recommend using IMAP4 instead of POP3 anyway... But there is still no freeware server for it yet. :( Regards, rick -- Richard L. Dyson dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu _ _ _____ http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ | | | | |_ _| Systems Analyst O: 319/335-1879 | | | | of | | University of Iowa FAX: 319/335-1753 | \_/ | _| |_ Department of Physics & Astronomy H: 319/338-6117 \___/ |_____| Iowa City, IA 52242-1479 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:52:56 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980129094727.00a7b660@moses.acu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:47:29 -0600 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Tom Dolan Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: Echo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I want to build a system that recieves an email message, then >>emails that message on to the REPLY TO address. Should I use PATH >>and SITE to do this or the address rewriter? >Either could be used, I think, but the SITE interface will be easier >to implement. Good - I'm more comfortable with SITE - how do I extract the Reply-To address off the incoming message? Tom Dolan Dolan@Bible.acu.edu 202 Bible Building Systems Manager ACU Box 29454 College of Biblical Studies Abilene, TX 79699 Abilene Christian University 915.674.3706 http://dolan.acu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:00:43 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:00:32 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C1035.F6F01274.10@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Echo Tom Dolan writes: > >Good - I'm more comfortable with SITE - how do I extract the >Reply-To address off the incoming message? > You'll have to do that by hand---by opening and reading the file, looking for a From: or Reply-To: address. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:53:04 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: What does this message mean: "no more context blocks" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:25:33 -0600 Message-ID: <34D09F6D.59940C4D@MadGoat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de To: MX-List@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > > Dear MX-users, > > here's a message that is undeliverable to my account: > > > --> Error description: > > Error-For: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de > > Error-Code: 2 > > Error-Text: Error in delivery to user VAXINF > > no more context blocks > > That's one of those mystery errors from MAIL (it goes along with the "illegal event flag cluster" error from UCX. I don't know that happens. You might try restarting MX Local to re-init the callable MAIL stuff. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:39:33 -0600 From: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:39:12 +0200 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr Message-ID: <009C10F3.C4463F77.161@clenche.msh.unicaen.fr> Subject: How can this happen ? Hello, The following SPAM message was sent to Postmaster and Webmaster of my domain. (I believe it by deduction, as neither appears in the To: header) How can this message be delivered with a To: header masked and replaced by the sender's address ? Will MX 5.0 prevent from receiving such messages ? _______________________________________________________________________________ Here is my local configuration _______________________________________________________________________________ LOCAL agent settings: DECnet delivery retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting enabled. Multiple VMS Mail From: addresses allowed. Local delivery errors are not CC'ed to local Postmaster. Delivery to MultiNet MM disallowed. Top headers: FROM,SENDER,TO,RESENT_TO,CC,RESENT_CC,BCC,RESENT_BCC,MESSAGE_ID, RESENT_MESSAGE_ID,IN_REPLY_TO,REFERENCES,KEYWORDS,SUBJECT, ENCRYPTED,DATE,REPLY_TO,RECEIVED,RESENT_REPLY_TO,RESENT_FROM, RESENT_SENDER,RESENT_DATE,RETURN_PATH,OTHER Bottom headers: (none) _______________________________________________________________________________ and the headers of the message: _______________________________________________________________________________ From: MX%"65675365443@hotmail.com" 30-JAN-1998 00:50:05.43 To: MX%"65675365443@hotmail.com" CC: Subj: EXTREMEMENT CONFIDENTIEL Return-Path: <65675365443@hotmail.com> Received: from ns11.rim.or.jp by clenche.msh.unicaen.fr (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:50:04 +0200 Received: from rayearth.rim.or.jp (rayearth.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.242]) by ns11.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl2-ns11/RIMNET-2) with ESMTP id IAA14217; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:49:43 +0900 (JST) From: 65675365443@hotmail.com Received: from hotmail.com (LP03PORT19.highway.telekom.at [195.3.71.115]) by rayearth.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl2-uucp1/RIMNET) with SMTP id IAA27906; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:49:14 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:49:14 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <199801292349.IAA27906@rayearth.rim.or.jp> To: 65675365443@hotmail.com Subject: EXTREMEMENT CONFIDENTIEL ...... ******************************************************************************* Jacques LEYRAT ! Tel: 02 31 56 62 12 Centre de Ressources Informatiques (C.R.I.U.C) ! Universite de Caen ! Fax: 02 31 44 58 54 14032 Caen Cedex ! FRANCE !e-mail: Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr ******************************************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:12:28 -0600 Sender: goathunter@MadGoat.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:12:22 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009C10D6.DF91A055.11@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: How can this happen ? Leyrat@criuc.unicaen.fr writes: > >Hello, > >The following SPAM message was sent to Postmaster and Webmaster of my domain. >(I believe it by deduction, as neither appears in the To: header) >How can this message be delivered with a To: header masked and replaced by >the sender's address ? Because the RFC821 envelope RCPT TO: line had the addresses in it. The RFC822 headers (From:, To:, etc.) are irrelevant when delivering mail. >Will MX 5.0 prevent from receiving such messages ? > Yes, MX V5.0 comes with a utility called SPAMFILTER that does heuristical filtering, including a case like this one. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com http://www.madgoat.com/hunter.html