Archive-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 17:54:09 -0700 Date: 6 Sep 98 01:13:00 GMT From: "SYSTEM" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: MX stuck To: "mx-list" System with problem is VAXstn 4000/60, 56MB memory, acting as mail hub (SMTP in/out, no local users), handles about 8000 messages per working day. Found on Saturday evening with queue stats 8433 of 10000, most processes "Locating @ 0", rest idle. Have rebooted system & restarted only FLQ manager in hope of tidying queue before starting other processes. Show Process /acc :- Accounting information: Buffered I/O count: 7 Peak working set size: 283 Direct I/O count: 2767014 Peak virtual size: 1736 Page faults: 187 Mounted volumes: 0 Images activated: 0 Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:31:51.79 Connect time: 0 01:29:49.42 I feel I don't know what I'm doing, any suggestions gratefully received. Richard Simons Normally rfs@dera.gov.uk, but until problem solved, ranjer@hydra.dra.hmg.gb Defence Evaluation & Research Agency, Malvern, Worcs, UK +44 1684 895068, fax +44 1684 895700 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:10:31 -0700 From: "Richard Simons" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:53:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MX stuck Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com First message was sent from "SYSTEM" to bypass my stuck hub. Further work on Sunday convinced me that I had a loop of some sort in the queue file, so I created a new one. Now all I have to do is attempt to 'refeed' 4230 messages. Richard R F Simons, DERA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs., WR14 3PS. Phone 01684 895068, Fax 01684 895700 email: rfs@dera.gov.uk Technical assistant to Internet mail servers manager. "The Information contained in this e-mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the intended recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:43:24 -0700 Sender: goathunter@PROCESS.COM Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:43:13 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009CBE7C.6A053BEB.47@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: Re: MX stuck "Richard Simons" writes: > >First message was sent from "SYSTEM" to >bypass my stuck hub. Further work on Sunday convinced me that I had >a loop of some sort in the queue file, so I created a new one. > >Now all I have to do is attempt to 'refeed' 4230 messages. > You should really consider upgrading to MX V5.0. In addition to fixing all known queue corruption bugs, it includes a utility that will refeed messages into your queue. I've been meaning to release that part for MX V4.2, but haven't had a chance to do so. I'll try to do that today sometime. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:31:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Worlton, Thomas" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" Subject: Mailing list loop Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:36:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I am running MX 4.2 with several mailing lists. Yesterday the notice of subscription to one user triggered an automatic reply from his system since he is on vacation and the reply went to mxserver. I don't know why his reply went to MXServer, but MXserver replied to him that each line of his message was an error. A mail loop resulted and I have been unable to stop it without stopping MX. I have found where the queue files are stored and can determine the ones (~3000) resulting from the loop. Can I just delete files from MC_FLQ_DIR: without causing problems? Should I stop all the MX agents first? tworlton@anl.gov Telephone 630-252-8755, Fax: 630-252-4163 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:51:55 -0700 Sender: goathunter@goat.process.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:51:39 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009CC020.B0197548.5@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Mailing list loop "Worlton, Thomas" writes: > >I am running MX 4.2 with several mailing lists. Yesterday the notice of >subscription to one user triggered an automatic reply from his system >since he is on vacation and the reply went to mxserver. I don't know >why his reply went to MXServer, but MXserver replied to him that each >line of his message was an error. A mail loop resulted and I have been >unable to stop it without stopping MX. I have found where the queue >files are stored and can determine the ones (~3000) resulting from the >loop. Can I just delete files from MC_FLQ_DIR: without causing >problems? Should I stop all the MX agents first? > You should delete them using the MCP QUEUE CANCEL command. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:52:44 -0700 From: "Patrick Cox" To: mx-list@madgoat.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:51:26 AST Subject: Can MX hold mail for a few days? Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com I will be taking down a Novell server running Mercury over a weekend. MX050 is used as the SMTP server for this Novell box. Will mail queue up any mail destined for this box until it comes back up, or be bounced back to the origin after all the retries? I seem to remember reading something about this, and host lock, and lock files. TIA Patrick M. Cox Information Technology Section (Truro) Resources Corporate Services Unit (DAM,DNR,Fish,Env) (902)893-6233 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:52:09 -0700 From: "Richard Simons" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:51:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: MX stuck Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Hunter, Matt My thanks to you both for your advice. We cannot take the V5 route as management has already bought a licence for PMDF, we're just waiting for a quiet period to plan the changeover. If it were up to me, I would stay with MX, although it went wrong here, I did have access to the information to repair it. I wrote some ALGOL-68 programs to examine the bad queue file, and found Entry Flink Blink 1 2 6 4 6 6 6 4 4 9 6 129 I used another ALGOL program to change these to Entry Flink Blink 1 2 6 4 6 9 6 1 4 9 4 129 then, with no server running, put the corrected queue back as the working queue. It emptied with no problems, but took about 8 hours. The only thing I can think of is that we may have had an influx of mail about midnight, when I stop & restart MX to make new versions of the accounting files. Is there a cleaner way of doing this? Richard R F Simons, DERA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs., WR14 3PS. Phone 01684 895068, Fax 01684 895700 email: rfs@dera.gov.uk Technical assistant to Internet mail servers manager. "The Information contained in this e-mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the intended recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:50:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:48:52 +0100 From: Chris Sharman Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.Com CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Message-ID: <009CC8EF.07E8DAF3.11@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: Mime encoding & VMS mail Can MX / VMS mail make anything of MIME messages ? Most of them appear mostly readable + mime headers, some aren't readable, but I can get them with MAIL> extract followed by MUNPACK (off the freeware disk), then whatever's appropriate for the unpacked file(s): usually laola/catdoc for MSword files. Tedious but doable. But the following wouldn't munpack. I eventually forwarded it, POPped it into netscape, and read it there, although it still had some garbage at the bottom. I've seen this before: is it from a poorly configured PC, or is it valid ? Sorry I had to strip the base64 stuff: it was private. >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Importance: Normal ______________________________________________________________________ Chris Sharman Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:06:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 9:02:58 -0700 From: Dan Wing Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Message-ID: <980921090258.209ac7a0@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail >Can MX / VMS mail make anything of MIME messages ? > >Most of them appear mostly readable + mime headers, some aren't readable, but I >can get them with MAIL> extract followed by MUNPACK (off the freeware disk), >then whatever's appropriate for the unpacked file(s): usually laola/catdoc for >MSword files. Tedious but doable. Simplier is to use a POP mail reader on your Windows box, and have a POP server on your VMS box. If you prefer using the VMSmail user interface for most messages, some POP servers (such as MultiNet's) can be setup to get messages from a folder other than NEWMAIL. >But the following wouldn't munpack. I eventually forwarded it, POPped it into >netscape, and read it there, although it still had some garbage at the bottom. >I've seen this before: is it from a poorly configured PC, or is it valid ? >Sorry I had to strip the base64 stuff: it was private. [...] The MIME headers look fine to me. -Dan Wing ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:33:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:32:03 +0100 From: Chris Sharman Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Message-ID: <009CC98B.F090B068.3@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail >>Can MX / VMS mail make anything of MIME messages ? >Simplier is to use a POP mail reader on your Windows box, and have a >POP server on your VMS box. If you prefer using the VMSmail user >interface for most messages, some POP servers (such as MultiNet's) >can be setup to get messages from a folder other than NEWMAIL. My Windows box ?? Wash your mouth out ! My desk is a Wintel free zone. I wondered if there was any freeware suitable for insertion between MX and VMS mail. ______________________________________________________________________ Chris Sharman Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:21:43 -0700 Sender: goathunter@PROCESS.COM Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:21:32 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009CC982.166A1267.2@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail Chris Sharman writes: > >My Windows box ?? Wash your mouth out ! My desk is a Wintel free zone. >I wondered if there was any freeware suitable for insertion between MX and VMS >mail. It wouldn't necessarily be easy or clean, but you could run everything through the SITE interface and run MUNPACK on it before delivery, then deliver the pieces and parts.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:08:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:09:56 CST6CDT5,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009CC988.D90CBB83.1@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail I think, but am not 100% certain, that PINE will do this. http://alder.cc.kcl.ac.uk/pine-vms/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:47:59 -0700 Message-ID: <00fe01bde637$c95f55e0$d6001c7e@gr-355538.si.com> From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: Re: Mime encoding & VMS mail Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:46:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >My Windows box ?? Wash your mouth out ! My desk is a Wintel free zone. >I wondered if there was any freeware suitable for insertion between MX and VMS >mail. PINE is MIME-compliant and can be used either as a VMS Mail replacement (it can directly access the VMS Mail store) or as a POP client. Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:58:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 9:56:38 -0700 From: Dan Wing Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <980922095638.209a1f72@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail >>>Can MX / VMS mail make anything of MIME messages ? > >>Simplier is to use a POP mail reader on your Windows box, and have a >>POP server on your VMS box. If you prefer using the VMSmail user >>interface for most messages, some POP servers (such as MultiNet's) >>can be setup to get messages from a folder other than NEWMAIL. > >My Windows box ?? Wash your mouth out ! My desk is a Wintel free zone. >I wondered if there was any freeware suitable for insertion between MX and VMS >mail. If you have Word, you're not free of the "Win" part of Wintel. -Dan Wing ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:20:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:50:56 GMT0 From: Mark Iline Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009CC9DA.03C1906E.13@meng.ucl.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail Chris Sharman Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk >>Simplier is to use a POP mail reader on your Windows box, and have a >>POP server on your VMS box. If you prefer using the VMSmail user >>interface for most messages, some POP servers (such as MultiNet's) >>can be setup to get messages from a folder other than NEWMAIL. > My Windows box ?? Wash your mouth out ! My desk is a Wintel free zone. > I wondered if there was any freeware suitable for insertion between MX and VMS > mail. VMS version of Netscape has a POP client, and handles MIME, doesn't it ? Mark Mark Iline Sys Mgr Dept Mech Eng University College London UK system@meng.ucl.ac.uk MAG (UK) NC Internet Bod ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:30:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:28:58 -0700 From: Dan Wing Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <980922102858.209b9978@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail >>>Simplier is to use a POP mail reader on your Windows box, and have a >>>POP server on your VMS box. If you prefer using the VMSmail user >>>interface for most messages, some POP servers (such as MultiNet's) >>>can be setup to get messages from a folder other than NEWMAIL. > >> My Windows box ?? Wash your mouth out ! My desk is a Wintel free zone. >> I wondered if there was any freeware suitable for insertion between MX and VMS >> mail. > >VMS version of Netscape has a POP client, and handles MIME, doesn't it ? But can't read MS Word attachments. I thought that's what these attachments were? -Dan Wing ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:04:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:59:08 +0100 From: Chris Sharman Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Message-ID: <009CCA61.44ED0686.4@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail >>VMS version of Netscape has a POP client, and handles MIME, doesn't it ? Well, yes, I'm just rather attached to VMS mail. >But can't read MS Word attachments. I thought that's what these >attachments were? Yes, Laola can be configured as a netscape helper to read MS word files under Alpha VMS. No, I think this particular attachment is plain text, base-64 encoded on a PC for some reason best known to the author. I do have freeware to read MS word (2 solutions actually) under VMS, despite my claim to be Wintel free: it's easier than wandering off looking for a Wintel machine. Perhaps it's just time to surrender and move all my mail into netscape, or maybe PINE will help. Thanks, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Chris Sharman Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:55:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 8:53:32 -0700 From: Dan Wing Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <980923085332.20934d04@Cisco.COM> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail >Perhaps it's just time to surrender and move all my mail into netscape, or >maybe PINE will help. What I do is move MIME messages to a special folder which my POP server retreives my new messages from when my POP clinet (Netscape on a Windows box) retreives messages. This way I have my universally-accessible mailbox on VMS but can cause MIME messages to be decoded quite easily. -Dan Wing ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:00:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:01:33 CST6CDT5,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009CCA93.E62D9CF4.3@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail >Yes, Laola can be configured as a netscape helper to read MS word files under >Alpha VMS. What is Laola? >I do have freeware to read MS word (2 solutions actually) under VMS, So give! what are these sol'ns and how do we get them :) BTW, Anybody know how to read Excel under VMS? (Besides buying XESS (sp?) :) >No, I think this particular attachment is plain text, base-64 >encoded on a PC for some reason best known to the author. Lack of knowledge of what the various buttons do. Robert Morphis ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:05:16 -0700 Sender: goathunter@goat.process.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:04:59 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009CCA94.60F61EAC.3@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Mime encoding & VMS mail system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes: > >>Yes, Laola can be configured as a netscape helper to read MS word files under >>Alpha VMS. > >What is Laola? > It's a Perl script (or set of scripts) that extracts the contents from WORD files. You can find it on: http://www2.cenaath.cena.dgac.fr/ftp/vms/laola011.zip >>I do have freeware to read MS word (2 solutions actually) under VMS, > >So give! what are these sol'ns and how do we get them :) > The other is CATDOC, which I ported to VMS a few months ago. ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/catdoc.zip I've never used LAOLA, but CATDOC has worked very well for me. >BTW, Anybody know how to read Excel under VMS? >(Besides buying XESS (sp?) :) > Don't know of one of those.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:18:30 -0700 From: "George Curtis" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: Default add-on message Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bdeb0c$a573b340$c95b5cc0@is-curtis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to add a message to outgoing list messages to inform recipients of how to unsubscribe? I'm using MX V4.1 VAX. George Curtis Network Administrator Doctor's Associates, Inc. 203.877.4281 x1138 203.876.6682 fax 203.766.4499 pager ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 05:31:08 -0700 From: "Patrick Cox" To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:29:24 AST Subject: Re: Default add-on message Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com In-Reply-To: <001501bdeb0c$a573b340$c95b5cc0@is-curtis> On 28 Sep 98, at 14:20, George Curtis wrote: > Is there any way to add a message to outgoing list messages to inform > recipients of how to unsubscribe? I'm using MX V4.1 VAX. Check out: http://www.nsac.ns.ca/csu/it/staff/pcox/mx/admin_text.htm I wrote this for just this purpose. It adds Administrative text to the bottom of the mail message before distributing it to the list members. Once the admin text file has been created you could modify it to better suit the list it is associated with. It is made to work with a particular list naming convention though... Patrick M. Cox Information Technology Section (Truro) Resources Corporate Services Unit (DAM,DNR,Fish,Env) (902)893-6233