Archive-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:57:13 -0800
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From: "Isid" <jlj@bancoinversion.es>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: <MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU>
Subject: Connecting MX/5 to Internet through MsProxy-Server.
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:57:18 +0200
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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We want to connect our MX mail server to Internet through MsProxy-Server. We
dont want to connect  the VMS Server directly to the Internet, but using a
proxy server Anyone did this before? Any Hints?
Thanks in advance

Jose Luis Lopez Jacob
Madrid

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy.Jack@nottingham.ac.uk <cczanj@axp0.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU <MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU>
Date: viernes 19 de marzo de 1999 20:56
Subject: RE: MX 4.2 and VMS 7.2


>Matt Madison sent me a private mail message pointing out that I need the
>latest version of NETLIB to work with UCX 5.0. Having installed NETLIB
>2.2 and disabled the UCX SMTP support, MX 4.2 is working happily on my
>VMS 7.2 system.
>
>My thanks once again to Hunter and Matt for their efforts.
>
> Andy
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Archive-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:31:46 -0800
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:31:31 MST
From: Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: mx-list@lists.wku.edu
Message-ID: <009D65FC.98ACD300.2@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Subject: Migrating to Alpha


I will be checking the docs of course, but I am moving MX from a VAX
to an ALPHA (have the alpha version, will reinstall) and I want to just
move my lists (we only support 4) and any other files that I can.  Any
sugguestions?

Thanks!

Bill Monday
wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu 
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Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:08:32 -0800
From: infoman@indmath.uni-linz.ac.at
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:08:33 +0200
To: mx-list@MADGOAT.COM
CC: infoman@indmath.uni-linz.ac.at
Message-ID: <009D690D.4983BE92.5@indmath.uni-linz.ac.at>
Subject: problem with attached documents

hi,

we are using mx5.1. several people are sending e-mail with attached word-files 
(in mime format). unfortunately vms-mail somehow corrupts this mails.
if we forward such mails to our pc, they are no longer readable there (i.e. they 
are not automatically demimed). if mails are sent directly to our unix-host and 
popped there from our pc, everything works fine.

 so it seems to me as vms is adding or deleting some lines that are crucial for 
pc-mail. does anybody know of a work-around.

thanks

andreas

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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:31:34 -0800
Sender: najman@HADASSAH.org.IL
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:31:38 +0200
From: "Najman Kahana. Ext:77313" <najman@HADASSAH.org.IL>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <009D6921.468D2B9A.13@HADASSAH.org.IL>
Subject: RE: problem with attached documents

>Subj:	problem with attached documents
>

Hello.
	Which POP server are you using ?
	If it is UCX, you must define POP logicals <before> you start
the service.

$       Define /System UCX$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS 1
$       Define /System UCX$POP_SEND_ID_HEADERS       1
$       Define /System UCX$POP_PURGE_RECLAIM         1

This fixes the problem in UCX 4.1.  in 4.2 there is a bug which prevents
the POP from implementing the logicals.  check the POP log file.
bye
Najman


>we are using mx5.1. several people are sending e-mail with attached word-files 
>(in mime format). unfortunately vms-mail somehow corrupts this mails.
>if we forward such mails to our pc, they are no longer readable there (i.e. they 
>are not automatically demimed). if mails are sent directly to our unix-host and 
>popped there from our pc, everything works fine.
>
> so it seems to me as vms is adding or deleting some lines that are crucial for 
>pc-mail. does anybody know of a work-around.
>
>thanks
>
>andreas
>
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+--------+------------------+------------------------------+---------------+
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!  Najman@hadassah.org.il   !    Jerusalem, Israel         !   we have our !
!                           ! (visit our capital soon)     !   own viruses !
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:37:57 -0800
From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents
Date: 13 Apr 1999 11:34:33 +0100
Message-ID: <37130fa9.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU

In article <009D690D.4983BE92.5@indmath.uni-linz.ac.at>, infoman@indmath.uni-linz.ac.at writes:
>we are using mx5.1. several people are sending e-mail with attached
>word-files (in mime format). unfortunately vms-mail somehow corrupts
>this mails. if we forward such mails to our pc, they are no longer
>readable there (i.e. they are not automatically demimed). if mails are
>sent directly to our unix-host and popped there from our pc, everything
>works fine.

How do you read the mails on the PC. POP3 ? IMAP4 ? MAPI ?
What server ? IUPOP3 ? TCPware ? Multinet ? UCX (Note: still no IMAP4)?

MX is an SMTP mail transfer agent and not an POP or IMAP server !

What does "forwarding mails to the PC" mean ? An Exchange server and a
"forward" on OpenVMS ? Forwarding set in VMSmail via MAIL>SET FORWARD
SMTP%"recipient@domain.name" (should work) or forwarding by hand in
VMSmail via MAIL>FORWARD (will not work until VMSmail is MIME compliant) ?

>so it seems to me as vms is adding or deleting some lines that are crucial
>for pc-mail. does anybody know of a work-around.

I bet, it's an empty line (and a new SMTP message header). Making the orginal
SMTP message header to be part of the message body...


Please more infos next time...

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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:06:52 -0800
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:06:16 MET-1MET DST
From: Franz Schoenbauer <system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at
Message-ID: <009D692E.7F540D80.1@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

I presume the original poster has a POP3 server. 
That's what i have (UCX & IUPOP3), and my attachments get corrupted to every
now and then (it depends on the dokument, not the time :-)

Franz Schoenbauer, Tech. Univ. Vienna,    |  schoenbauer@viveka.tuwien.ac.at
Resselg. 3/188  A-1040, Vienna, Austria   |  +43(1)58801 ext. 18888
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:25:51 -0800
Sender: najman@HADASSAH.org.IL
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:25:56 +0200
From: "Najman Kahana. Ext:77313" <najman@HADASSAH.org.IL>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <009D6939.A0112B51.33@HADASSAH.org.IL>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

>Subj:	Re: problem with attached documents
>
>I presume the original poster has a POP3 server. 
>That's what i have (UCX & IUPOP3), and my attachments get corrupted to every
>now and then (it depends on the dokument, not the time :-)
>
>Franz Schoenbauer, Tech. Univ. Vienna,    |  schoenbauer@viveka.tuwien.ac.at
>Resselg. 3/188  A-1040, Vienna, Austria   |  +43(1)58801 ext. 18888
>

After we run into problems with UCX pop V4.2, we switched to IUPOP3
When we entered the correct definitions, all our attachment problems went away.
Please check that in file:  IUPOP3_LOGICALS.COM
you have the following:

$ call define_logical IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS            TRUE
$ call define_logical DEFAULT_TO_SMTP                  TRUE
$ call define_logical USE_BOTTOM_HEADERS               FALSE
$ call define_logical PERSONAL_NAME                    TRUE
$ call define_logical USE_MAIL_FOLDER                  FALSE

Good luck

Najman

+--------+------------------+------------------------------+---------------+
!      NAJMAN KAHANA        ! Hadassah University Hospital ! thanks,       !
!  Najman@hadassah.org.il   !    Jerusalem, Israel         !   we have our !
!                           ! (visit our capital soon)     !   own viruses !
+--------+------------------+------------------------------+---------------+
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:46:08 -0800
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:45:32 MET-1MET DST
From: Franz Schoenbauer <system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at
Message-ID: <009D6933.FB67B7A0.9@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

>After we run into problems with UCX pop V4.2, we switched to IUPOP3
>When we entered the correct definitions, all our attachment problems went away.
>Please check that in file:  IUPOP3_LOGICALS.COM
>you have the following:
>
>$ call define_logical IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS            TRUE
>$ call define_logical DEFAULT_TO_SMTP                  TRUE
>$ call define_logical USE_BOTTOM_HEADERS               FALSE
>$ call define_logical PERSONAL_NAME                    TRUE
>$ call define_logical USE_MAIL_FOLDER                  FALSE
>
>Good luck

Thanks, but we have that and still have problems.

Franz Schoenbauer, Tech. Univ. Vienna,    |  schoenbauer@viveka.tuwien.ac.at
Resselg. 3/188  A-1040, Vienna, Austria   |  +43(1)58801 ext. 18888
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:50:09 -0800
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:49:58 +0100
From: mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU
Message-ID: <009D690A.B10F781A.1@LIB1.HACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

I too have this problem.  When I forward a MIME message from VMS mail to my
GroupWise account (PC Mail), the message is corrupted.  To fix the problem, I
have to drag the whole message to a converter like WINZIP to convert the
message.  Unfortunately, the GroupWise client in not POP3 or MAPI compatible. 

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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:25:20 -0800
Subject: Re: Connecting MX/5 to Internet through MsProxy-Server.
From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <370fc49e.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Date: 10 Apr 1999 23:37:34 +0100
To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU

In article <001801be801c$40979c70$cb2300c0@tool201>, "Isid" <jlj@bancoinversion.es> writes:
>We want to connect our MX mail server to Internet through MsProxy-Server. We
>dont want to connect  the VMS Server directly to the Internet, but using a
>proxy server Anyone did this before? Any Hints?

Why would anyone do this ?
A M$ Proxy is a proxy and not a firewall.
And VMS is IMHO better in security than any other non-firewall.

We lost a lot of Anti-SPAM features of MX5 by activating a STMP relay
(for virus scanning) on our firewall.

Use a real firewall (and put your M$ proxy in your garbage pin) or
connect VMS directly to the outside (with IP security enabled of course).

just my 0.02
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Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:25:27 -0800
Subject: Re: Migrating to Alpha
From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <370fc5ed.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Date: 10 Apr 1999 23:43:09 +0100
To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU

In article <009D65FC.98ACD300.2@upi.uhcolorado.edu>, Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu> writes:
>I will be checking the docs of course, but I am moving MX from a VAX
>to an ALPHA (have the alpha version, will reinstall) and I want to just
>move my lists (we only support 4) and any other files that I can.  Any
>sugguestions?

No problem. Copy the old VAX MX (same MX version assumed) tree to the Alpha,
then install MX again (answer the question for "Alpha Images only" with YES).
All done.

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Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651
Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888
FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net
<<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:55:58 -0800
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:44:43 +0300
From: Esa Laitinen <laitinen@juhani.decus.fi>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU
CC: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM, laitinen@juhani.decus.fi
Message-ID: <009D694D.0360FDEF.12@juhani.decus.fi>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

mlbowden writes:

>       
>I am using the VMS Mail commands.  I usually read the mail on my Alpha.  If the
>message has an attachment, I use the VMS Mail forward command to forward the
>message to my PC mail account.  The message goes back out via SMTP to the PC
>mail server.  I then open the message from my PC.

This explains a lot. Basically the behaviour you experience is to be expected:
forwarding mail using vms mail forward basically adds lines to the mail so that 
your client (or mime converter) doesn't understand them.

Solution? Well, either use a pop client (this forces you to change clients), or
use VMS Pine and use Bounce option, which has an added benefit: the sender
field is left intact, so you can reply to the message normally.



Esa Laitinen  	             If I cannot reply to your news or mail
                             message with reply, you won't get my answer.
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http://www.iki.fi/laitinen   it? http://www.mcs.com/~jcr/junkemaildeal.html
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:39:51 -0800
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:39:41 MST
From: Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <009D6909.41416580.25@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Subject: Re: Migrating to Alpha

Thanks!  It is up and running.

-Bill

! From:	MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 13-APR-1999 06:33:37.31
! To:	MX%"MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU"
! CC:	
! Subj:	Re: Migrating to Alpha
! 
! In article <009D65FC.98ACD300.2@upi.uhcolorado.edu>, Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu> writes:
! >I will be checking the docs of course, but I am moving MX from a VAX
! >to an ALPHA (have the alpha version, will reinstall) and I want to just
! >move my lists (we only support 4) and any other files that I can.  Any
! >sugguestions?
! 
! No problem. Copy the old VAX MX (same MX version assumed) tree to the Alpha,
! then install MX again (answer the question for "Alpha Images only" with YES).
! All done.
! 
! ------------------------------------------------------------------------
! Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651
! Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888
! FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net
! <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN
! A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"
! "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:07:04 -0800
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:07:51 +0100
From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk
Message-ID: <009D6950.3EB6AEF5.3@ccagroup.co.uk>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

>>Please check that in file:  IUPOP3_LOGICALS.COM
>>you have the following:
>>
>>$ call define_logical IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS            TRUE
>>$ call define_logical DEFAULT_TO_SMTP                  TRUE
>>$ call define_logical USE_BOTTOM_HEADERS               FALSE
>>$ call define_logical PERSONAL_NAME                    TRUE
>>$ call define_logical USE_MAIL_FOLDER                  FALSE
>>
>>Good luck
>
>Thanks, but we have that and still have problems.

It is, as someone's said, that the VMSmail headers come first, then a
blank line, then the original headers. The blank means that the originals are
now part of the body and no longer headers.

We've got a hack for IUPOP3 to remove the blank line, which works for us. I'm
not sure if it's been published or not: I can post it if you like (it's 20-30
lines of C inserted into the source).
______________________________________________________________________
Chris Sharman			Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk
CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS.
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:12:44 -0800
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990413081002.03052ec0@ous.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:10:02 -0700
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
From: Dan Sugalski <sugalskd@osshe.edu>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents
CC: mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU
In-Reply-To: <009D690A.B10F781A.1@LIB1.HACC.EDU>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 07:49 AM 4/13/99 +0100, mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU wrote:
>I too have this problem.  When I forward a MIME message from VMS mail to my
>GroupWise account (PC Mail), the message is corrupted.  To fix the problem, I
>have to drag the whole message to a converter like WINZIP to convert the
>message.  Unfortunately, the GroupWise client in not POP3 or MAPI
compatible. 

Forwarding will kill the headers, as someone's already pointed out.
GroupWise is an IMAP client, though, at least as of version 5, so if you've
got an IMAP server on the VMS box, you can fetch mail with GroupWise. (Or,
more usefully, toss GroupWise as a mail client altogether and use Pine,
Eudora Pro, or Netscape...)

					Dan

---------------------------------------------"it's like this"--------------
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SysAdmin                                     have teddy bears
Oregon University System                     and even the teddy bears
sugalskd@ous.edu                             get drunk
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:10:26 -0800
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:09:50 MET-1MET DST
From: Franz Schoenbauer <system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at
Message-ID: <009D6961.4903C120.1@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

yes, please post the iupop3 source snippet.
thanks.

Franz Schoenbauer, Tech. Univ. Vienna,    |  schoenbauer@viveka.tuwien.ac.at
Resselg. 3/188  A-1040, Vienna, Austria   |  +43(1)58801 ext. 18888
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:11:40 -0800
Message-ID: <074201be85c8$1b4c6f20$d6001c7e@gr-355538.si.com>
From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman@swdev.si.com>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:10:10 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

>we are using mx5.1. several people are sending e-mail with attached
word-files
>(in mime format). unfortunately vms-mail somehow corrupts this mails.

Nonsense.  We're using MX V5.1 and sending MIME-encoded attachments through
(V7.1 VAX) VMS Mail just fine.
It has worked for several versions of MX and several versions of VMS.

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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:14:34 -0800
Message-ID: <A0E27DD848C1D211AE10006097C9C0BB010858@exchmail.pns.anl.gov>
From: "Worlton, Thomas" <tworlton@anl.gov>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
Subject: RE: problem with attached documents
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:14:52 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

We are using MX 4.2 and have no problem.  I have my VMS mail forwarded to my
PC and attachments come through fine.  It does not work if you read the
document on the VMS system and then forward it.  You have to use
autoforward.  I don't remember doing anything special to get it to work.

I just tested it by sending a Word enclosure to my VMS account and it came
back to the PC with no problem.

Tom Worlton

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Tillman [mailto:tillman@swdev.si.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:10 AM
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents


>we are using mx5.1. several people are sending e-mail with attached
word-files
>(in mime format). unfortunately vms-mail somehow corrupts this mails.

Nonsense.  We're using MX V5.1 and sending MIME-encoded attachments through
(V7.1 VAX) VMS Mail just fine.
It has worked for several versions of MX and several versions of VMS.
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Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:44:05 -0800
Message-ID: <13909109FC93D111853100A0C99AF44C2C93EE@gumby.aecc.com>
From: "Robert H. McClanahan" <rmcclanahan@aecc.com>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: "MX List (E-mail)" <mx-list@madgoat.com>
Subject: UCX V5.0 on Alpha
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:43:45 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Good Afternoon,

Is anyone aware of any gotchas in trying to run either MX V4.2 or V5.1 with
UCX 5.0 on an Alpha system? We're about to upgrade an AlphaServer 800 to UCX
5.0 and want to avoid problems, if possible. I have heard that there are
some logical name changes in UCX 5.0 that might cause some problems.

Thanks,
RHM

+--+
Robert H. McClanahan, Mgr, Tech Info Systems, rmcclanahan@aecc.com
Arkansas Electric Coop Corp, PO Box 194208, Little Rock, AR 72219-4208

"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy,
the
most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."  C.S. Lewis
<[]>< 
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Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:57:06 -0800
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:57:44 +0100
From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk
Message-ID: <009D69E5.B4A4DD68.2@ccagroup.co.uk>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

>yes, please post the iupop3 source snippet.

Here it is (as a .com to update iupop3_vms.c from the V2.0-4 kit) - snip here

$ checksum iupop3_vms.c ! V2.0-4
$ if checksum$checksum.ne."2097446843" then $ exit 44 ! abort
$! Insert in mail_retrieve_message_headers
$! (just before last two if blocks of procedure)
$ edit/sum iupop3_vms.c/update=sys$input:
- 1102, 1102

  /*****************************************************
   * --------------------- CCA CHANGES --------------- *
   * No warranty express or implied. Code provided as-is
   * If we are using VMS Mail headers and the message also
   * contains headers we don't want to include the blank line. */

  if (!p->decnet)
    netbprintf (p,"\r\n");
  else {
    if (!(p->retrieve.flags & RETR_USE_ANSIC_FLAG)) { /*external always assume header*/
	int c, is_header = TRUE, found_space;

	num_headers = 0;
	while (is_header) {
	  status = get_message_line (p, inlist, outlist);
	  if (vms_error(status) || !p->retrieve.bufsize ) {
	    is_header = FALSE;
	  } else {
	    is_header = FALSE;
	    found_space = FALSE;
	    for (c=0;c<p->retrieve.bufsize && !is_header && !found_space;c++)
	      if (p->retrieve.line[c] == ':') is_header = TRUE ;
	      else if (p->retrieve.line[c] == ' ') found_space = TRUE ;
	    if (is_header)
	      if (c>3 && ( memcmp(&p->retrieve.line[c-4],"From:",5) == 0 ||
			   memcmp(&p->retrieve.line[c-4],"from:",5) == 0 ||
			   memcmp(&p->retrieve.line[c-4],"FROM:",5) == 0 )) {
		is_header = FALSE; /* Could be previous headers so leave */
		num_headers = 0;
	      } else
		num_headers++;
	  }
	}
	if (num_headers == 0)
	  netbprintf (p,"\r\n") ;

	pop_log (LOG_THREAD,p, "**CCA** Include %d header(s) from message",num_headers);
	p->retrieve.bufsize = 0;
        p->retrieve.flags |= RETR_RESTORE_FLAG; // restore to start of file
    } else 
	pop_log (LOG_THREAD,p, "**CCA** External mail file - asume has headers");    
  }
  /* ------------------ END CCA CHANGES ------------- */
  /*****************************************************/
______________________________________________________________________
Chris Sharman			Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk
CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS.
$ exit 1 ! all done OK (assuming mail hasn't broken the C code)
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Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 03:48:57 -0800
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:49:48 +0100
From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk
Message-ID: <009D69F5.5C9FF52F.11@ccagroup.co.uk>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents

Well, there's something new.
It would appear mx_auto_signature put my signature before the $ exit 1
I haven't seen that before.
Is that an mx bug ? is there something special about last lines beginning $ ?

Chris
______________________________________________________________________
Chris Sharman			Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk
CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS.
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Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:30:57 -0800
Message-ID: <09d001be86a4$cfe80340$d6001c7e@gr-355538.si.com>
From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman@swdev.si.com>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
Subject: Re: problem with attached documents
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:30:02 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

>Here it is (as a .com to update iupop3_vms.c from the V2.0-4 kit) - snip
here

The beta kit (V2.0-5) handles both UCX and MX with headers at the top or the
bottom.  With the headers at the bottom, I think these problems would go
away.

 Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com
 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent
 Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"
        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company


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Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:30:03 -0800
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990416142815.009257e0@mailcenter.biochem.purdue.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:28:15
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
From: Rick Westerman <westerm@purdue.edu>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Subject: MX 5.1: Real time black hole problem?
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Finally moved to MX 5.x and I may be having non-fatal problems related to
the RBL -- the real time black hole list.  I have enabled "rlb_check" using
the default site.

First, when I enable the debug logical of the SMTP_SERVER, I do not see in
the log files any sign that the server is indeed checking the RBL.  Should
I be seeing this?

Second, my user's POPmail clients (Eudora and Netscape) are now momentarily
hanging (15 seconds or so) on occasional messages (maybe every 5-10
outgoing messages).  This could be, of course, related to other problems
but I suspect that the RBL may be involved.  Is the RBL checked even when
the sending site is "local"?

Thanks for any information.  I sort of miss the days when I could look in
the source code for this information but, hey, it is also nice to pay my
money and let someone else have the headaches.  :-)



-- Rick

Rick Westerman           System Manager of (1) the Ag Campus Lab. for 
westerm@purdue.edu       Computational Biology [ACLCB], (2) the Genomics 
Phone: (765) 494-0505    center, and (3) the Biochemistry department.  
FAX: (765) 494-7897      BCHM bldg. Purdue Univ. W. Lafayette, IN 47907
href="http://www.biochem.purdue.edu/~westerm"           
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Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:48:47 -0800
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990416144836.00944230@mailcenter.biochem.purdue.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:48:36
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
From: Rick Westerman <westerm@purdue.edu>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Subject: more on MX 5.1: Real time black hole problem?
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I wrote:

> First, when I enable the debug logical of the SMTP_SERVER, I do not
> see in the log files any sign that the server is indeed checking
> the RBL.  Should I be seeing this?

I should point out that if a mail message from a server that is on the RBL
is sent to me then I do see in the log files:

 Connecting system on MAPS black-hole list   

Followed by rejection messages. But I don't see the above message on
messages from non-RBListed computers and so it hard for me to know if MX is
checking the RBL for my local PC/Macs.


-- Rick

Rick Westerman           System Manager of (1) the Ag Campus Lab. for 
westerm@purdue.edu       Computational Biology [ACLCB], (2) the Genomics 
Phone: (765) 494-0505    center, and (3) the Biochemistry department.  
FAX: (765) 494-7897      BCHM bldg. Purdue Univ. W. Lafayette, IN 47907
href="http://www.biochem.purdue.edu/~westerm"           
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Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:13:11 -0800
Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:13:05 -0800
From: Matt Madison <madison@MadGoat.COM>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: westerm@purdue.edu
CC: mx-list@MadGoat.Com
Message-ID: <009D6BBD.3CD062E2.1@MadGoat.Com>
Subject: RE: MX 5.1: Real time black hole problem?

>Finally moved to MX 5.x and I may be having non-fatal problems related to
>the RBL -- the real time black hole list.  I have enabled "rlb_check" using
>the default site.
>
>First, when I enable the debug logical of the SMTP_SERVER, I do not see in
>the log files any sign that the server is indeed checking the RBL.  Should
>I be seeing this?

No, the checks aren't logged in the debug log.

>Second, my user's POPmail clients (Eudora and Netscape) are now momentarily
>hanging (15 seconds or so) on occasional messages (maybe every 5-10
>outgoing messages).  This could be, of course, related to other problems
>but I suspect that the RBL may be involved.  Is the RBL checked even when
>the sending site is "local"?

If RBL checking is turned on, it applies to all incoming SMTP connections,
without exception.  Now that you mention it, though, I suppose I should
skip the check for systems that are on "inside" networks.

>Thanks for any information.  I sort of miss the days when I could look in
>the source code for this information but, hey, it is also nice to pay my
>money and let someone else have the headaches.  :-)

:-)

-Matt

-- 
Matthew Madison  |  MadGoat Software  |  PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA
madison@madgoat.com                                    http://www.madgoat.com
================================================================================
Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:11:20 -0800
Message-ID: <001301be890f$32fbcc70$010020ac@sysman_home.deltatel.ru>
From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@DLS.NET>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
Subject: MX 5.1:SMTP Server/VERIFY_ADDRESS - crash
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:16:37 +0400

Hi there!
    We have a problem, smtp-server_<node>.log follows. I suppose that the
main reason of this is a mails of spammers with too much e-mail addreses in
the mail header.
    May be I'm not right, but problem is very frequently appeared.

    What

C U, SysMan at DLS ...................................................+
                                 |             Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222
http://home.dls.net              |             Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035
................................................... Frying on the VMS +
-----Original Message-----
From: Ruslan R. Laishev <laishev@anvil>
To: laishev <laishev>
Date: 18 апреля 1999 г. 0:48


>$ set noon
>$ rights   = f$getjpi("","rightslist")
>$ username = f$edit(f$getjpi("","username"),"collapse")
>$ IF F$LOCATE("SECUREPAGES",RIGHTS) .LT F$LENGTH(RIGHTS) then -
>  DEFINE/NOLOG  SECUREPAGES "WWW_SECURE:[SYSTEM]"
>17-APR-1999 08:23:28.10:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) starting
>17-APR-1999 09:15:00.94:  MX SMTP server: rejected message from
<bounces-NEWSLETTER0416K-wisej=dls.net@b.xoom.com> to <wisej@dls.net> sent
by [206.132.185.91]
>17-APR-1999 09:39:17.52:  MX SMTP server: rejected message from
<bounces-NEWSLETTER0416K-meyers=dls.net@b.xoom.com> to <meyers@dls.net> sent
by [206.132.185.91]
>17-APR-1999 10:34:44.29:  MX SMTP server: rejected message from
<bounces-NEWSLETTER0416K-able=dls.net@b.xoom.com> to <able@dls.net> sent by
[206.132.185.91]
>17-APR-1999 12:49:48.75:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) resetting
>17-APR-1999 12:49:52.87:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) resetting
>17-APR-1999 12:50:20.15:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) resetting
>17-APR-1999 12:52:47.50:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) resetting
>%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual
address=00000000003C4004, PC=FFFFFFFF804A297C, PS=0000001B
>%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
>  image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC
>                                            0 0000000000000000
FFFFFFFF804A297C
> MX_SHR                                     0 000000000001A290
0000000000100290
> SMTP_SERVER  VERIFY  VERIFY_ADDRESS      815 0000000000001B30
000000000003BFA0
> SMTP_SERVER  SMTP_SERVER  PROCESS_CMD   1863 0000000000006E3C
0000000000036E3C
> SMTP_SERVER  SMTP_SERVER  SMTP_SERVER    726 00000000000011BC
00000000000311BC
>                                            0 FFFFFFFF8305B118
FFFFFFFF8305B118
>17-APR-1999 13:16:58.42:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) exiting, status =
1000000C
>17-APR-1999 13:16:59.99:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) starting
>%STR-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory
>%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
>  image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC
>                                            0 FFFFFFFF80496E84
FFFFFFFF80496E84
> SMTP_SERVER  VERIFY  VERIFY_ADDRESS      832 0000000000001BD0
000000000003C040
> SMTP_SERVER  SMTP_SERVER  PROCESS_CMD   1863 0000000000006E3C
0000000000036E3C
> SMTP_SERVER  SMTP_SERVER  SMTP_SERVER    726 00000000000011BC
00000000000311BC
>                                            0 FFFFFFFF8305B118
FFFFFFFF8305B118
>17-APR-1999 13:17:29.25:  MX SMTP Server (pid 20E0012A) exiting, status =
1024806C
>  SYSTEM       job terminated at 17-APR-1999 13:17:29.34
>
>  Accounting information:
>  Buffered I/O count:              55565      Peak working set size:
6784
>  Direct I/O count:                31920      Peak virtual size:
180864
>  Page faults:                      4153      Mounted volumes:
0
>  Charged CPU time:        0 00:02:21.77      Elapsed time:       0
04:54:04.91
>
>C U, SysMan at DLS ...................................................+
>                                 |             Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222
>http://home.dls.net              |             Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035
>................................................... Frying on the VMS +
>


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Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:06:15 -0800
Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:06:09 -0800
From: Matt Madison <madison@MadGoat.COM>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: Laishev@DLS.NET
Message-ID: <009D6CF2.6634501D.5@MadGoat.Com>
Subject: RE: MX 5.1:SMTP Server/VERIFY_ADDRESS - crash

>    We have a problem, smtp-server_<node>.log follows. I suppose that the
>main reason of this is a mails of spammers with too much e-mail addreses in
>the mail header.

Looks like there are two problems.  The first, the ACCVIO,  should be fixed by
installing ECO 4 (at ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/mx/mx051/ecos/mx051_eco04.zip).

The second could just be a process quota problem.  You might try increasing
the page file quota for the SMTP server.

-Matt


-- 
Matthew Madison  |  MadGoat Software  |  PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA
madison@madgoat.com                                    http://www.madgoat.com
================================================================================
Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:12:37 -0700
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:12:21 MST
From: Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: mx-list@lists.wku.edu
Message-ID: <009D6EC0.45499780.1@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Subject: MX%-F-NOHOST error


     Help.  I am migrating from VAX to Alpha, and installed MX v4.1 on
the new Alpha.  Configured according to my VAX, and all processes started
up ok.  However I cannot send any messages out.  Every message gets an
%MX-F-NOHOST, no such host message.  How do I figure out the problem, and
how do I fix it?

Thanks!
Bill Monday
wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu


================================================================================
Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:31:33 -0700
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:31:20 -0500
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@PROCESS.COM>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <009D6ECB.4D814EE2.4@goat.process.com>
Subject: RE: MX%-F-NOHOST error

Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu> writes:
>
>     Help.  I am migrating from VAX to Alpha, and installed MX v4.1 on
>the new Alpha.  Configured according to my VAX, and all processes started
>up ok.  However I cannot send any messages out.  Every message gets an
>%MX-F-NOHOST, no such host message.  How do I figure out the problem, and
>how do I fix it?
>
The problem is probably caused by the version of NETLIB you have
installed.  Install the latest version.

I would also recommend you install V4.2, if you're going to stay with
the freeware version of MX....

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
<goathunter@PROCESS.COM>     http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/
================================================================================
Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:48:50 -0700
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:48:38 MST
From: Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <009D6ECD.B87B1C80.17@upi.uhcolorado.edu>
Subject: RE: MX%-F-NOHOST error

Thanks!  That was indeed the problem.  I already had the new version,
just hadn't done the install (oops).

Thanks again!
-Bill


! From:	MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com" 20-APR-1999 14:35:42.90
! To:	MX%"MX-List@MadGoat.com"
! CC:	
! Subj:	RE: MX%-F-NOHOST error
! 
! Bill Monday <wam@upi.uhcolorado.edu> writes:
! >
! >     Help.  I am migrating from VAX to Alpha, and installed MX v4.1 on
! >the new Alpha.  Configured according to my VAX, and all processes started
! >up ok.  However I cannot send any messages out.  Every message gets an
! >%MX-F-NOHOST, no such host message.  How do I figure out the problem, and
! >how do I fix it?
! >
! The problem is probably caused by the version of NETLIB you have
! installed.  Install the latest version.
! 
! I would also recommend you install V4.2, if you're going to stay with
! the freeware version of MX....
! 
! Hunter
! ------
! Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
! <goathunter@PROCESS.COM>     http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/
================================================================================
Archive-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:38:16 -0700
Message-ID: <9D8E2EEA9035D11188FA006097D07CFA201DAB@buzz.hspg.com>
From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
Subject: MX5.1 & Address_rewriter
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:37:37 +0100

Hi,

I have just upgraded from a VAX 4000 Cluster to an Alpha 1200 Cluster
running OVMS 7.2.  My previous cluster was an inherited affair, which ran MX
V4.2 with an Address rewriter & the patch to avoid MX%" leader on Internet
addresses. 
The problem I have is that I'm not a programmer ( Shame I hear you cry ),
and I have installed the new MX v5.1 with the Latest Netlib for UCX/TCPIP
v5.0 ( Thank you Matt Madison for that ), but I can't get the
address_rewriter to work ( No C compiler ) & the patch for VMS 7.2 for the
MX% header again is beyond my present capabilities.
Any one taking pity on me, who could send me the images required and
instructions for simpletons or how I can create the images on my machines (
with no C compiler ). I would be most grateful.

Regards

Andrew Robinson.
================================================================================
Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:46:20 -0700
From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)
Subject: Virus Scanner
Date: 27 Apr 1999 17:32:23 +0100
Message-ID: <3725d887.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU

We run MX (now V5.1) on our VMScluster as the company SMTP mailserver
(means Exchangeserver is extra and only for the Problem Computers with
Outlook. SMTP,POP3 and IMAP4 is still on VMScluster, but Outlook Users
are now about 80% of total)

We did a lot of Anti-SPAM configs with MX and most was working good.


Recently we added a virus scanner to the firewall. Since then the firewall
accepts all incoming mails (without changing IP adresses or BIND/DNS MX
or A Resource Records), checks it, and delivers it then to MX.

So we lost some features (and found about 20 virii in umpteen thousand mails)

1) Realtime Blackhole Lists (eg. rbl.maps.vix.com)
	Because FW has no RBL, and MX gets mail from FW and not from ext add.
	=>Anti-SPAM Feature lost

2) eSMTP 
	Because FW still has no eSMTP, mails bigger than limit (eg. 10MB)
	comes (very slowly) in, and gets aborted after limit. And remote
	mailserver retries for umpteen times more until max. retry count.
	=>Performance Feature lost

3) Userlists (no such user) or selective Blocks (REJMAN)
	Because FW is not the mailserver, _every_ mail sucks in, is checked,
	an then, because MX rejects mails, is (what ? thrown away ?)...
	=>Performance and Anti-SPAM feature lost


Another features which led to problems was, FW was a machine naturally
listed in INSIDE_ADRESS address range. So starting the virus scanner led
to SPAM-Relaying and we've been blocked by some RBLs/mailservers/ISPs !!
This has been fixed by listing the FW explicitely as /REJECT in
INSIDE_ADDRESS. But it took away some of our reputation...


So, I'd like to ask:

What do you do ?
Do you use MX as Anti-SPAM ?
And if, how did you solve/workaround virus-scanning for mails ? With the FW ?

Virus Scanner is already paid and is a CVP (Content Vector Protocol) Solution.
Do you have any idea, on how to use a CVP Virus Scanner _with_ MX (with
Adress-Rewriter and SITE Interface there is probably a way for SMTP Virus
Scanners, but how to communicate via CVP) ?


-Peter

PS: Another problem was, that all mails of the virus scanner did get
forwarded to MX and as we enabled outgoing mail checking, they were
looped about 10 times through MX and then discarded. You have to define
two separate virus check rules for incoming and outgoing mails, of course.
Another piece of reputation lost. Shudder
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651
Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888
FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net
<<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN
A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"
"VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998
================================================================================
Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:40:26 -0700
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU
Subject: Re: Virus Scanner
In-Reply-To: <3725d887.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Message-ID: <Pine.4.10.dwing.9904270938050.9189-100000@pita.cisco.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On 27 Apr 1999 17:32 +0100, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:

> We run MX (now V5.1) on our VMScluster as the company SMTP mailserver
> (means Exchangeserver is extra and only for the Problem Computers with
> Outlook. SMTP,POP3 and IMAP4 is still on VMScluster, but Outlook Users
> are now about 80% of total)
> 
> We did a lot of Anti-SPAM configs with MX and most was working good.
> 
> 
> Recently we added a virus scanner to the firewall. Since then the firewall
> accepts all incoming mails (without changing IP adresses or BIND/DNS MX
> or A Resource Records), checks it, and delivers it then to MX.
> 
> So we lost some features (and found about 20 virii in umpteen thousand mails)
> 
> 1) Realtime Blackhole Lists (eg. rbl.maps.vix.com)
> 	Because FW has no RBL, and MX gets mail from FW and not from ext add.
> 	=>Anti-SPAM Feature lost
> 
> 2) eSMTP 
> 	Because FW still has no eSMTP, mails bigger than limit (eg. 10MB)
> 	comes (very slowly) in, and gets aborted after limit. And remote
> 	mailserver retries for umpteen times more until max. retry count.
> 	=>Performance Feature lost
> 
> 3) Userlists (no such user) or selective Blocks (REJMAN)
> 	Because FW is not the mailserver, _every_ mail sucks in, is checked,
> 	an then, because MX rejects mails, is (what ? thrown away ?)...
> 	=>Performance and Anti-SPAM feature lost
> 
> 
> Another features which led to problems was, FW was a machine naturally
> listed in INSIDE_ADRESS address range. So starting the virus scanner led
> to SPAM-Relaying and we've been blocked by some RBLs/mailservers/ISPs !!
> This has been fixed by listing the FW explicitely as /REJECT in
> INSIDE_ADDRESS. But it took away some of our reputation...
> 
> 
> So, I'd like to ask:
> 
> What do you do ?
> Do you use MX as Anti-SPAM ?
> And if, how did you solve/workaround virus-scanning for mails ? With the FW ?

Get a firewall that does SMTP right or put a mailer in front of the
firewall to provide the other features you need, so you have something
like this:

  Internet -> powerful mailer -> firewall -> internal network

instead of your current setup which is like:

  Internet -> firewall -> internal network

> Virus Scanner is already paid and is a CVP (Content Vector Protocol)
> Solution. Do you have any idea, on how to use a CVP Virus Scanner
> _with_ MX (with Adress-Rewriter and SITE Interface there is probably a
> way for SMTP Virus Scanners, but how to communicate via CVP) ?

It is unlikely you can do that -- I am sure it doesn't run on VMS.

-Dan Wing


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Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:40:35 -0700
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU
Subject: Re: Virus Scanner
In-Reply-To: <3725d887.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Message-ID: <Pine.4.10.dwing.9904270938050.9189-100000@pita.cisco.com>
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On 27 Apr 1999 17:32 +0100, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:

> We run MX (now V5.1) on our VMScluster as the company SMTP mailserver
> (means Exchangeserver is extra and only for the Problem Computers with
> Outlook. SMTP,POP3 and IMAP4 is still on VMScluster, but Outlook Users
> are now about 80% of total)
> 
> We did a lot of Anti-SPAM configs with MX and most was working good.
> 
> 
> Recently we added a virus scanner to the firewall. Since then the firewall
> accepts all incoming mails (without changing IP adresses or BIND/DNS MX
> or A Resource Records), checks it, and delivers it then to MX.
> 
> So we lost some features (and found about 20 virii in umpteen thousand mails)
> 
> 1) Realtime Blackhole Lists (eg. rbl.maps.vix.com)
> 	Because FW has no RBL, and MX gets mail from FW and not from ext add.
> 	=>Anti-SPAM Feature lost
> 
> 2) eSMTP 
> 	Because FW still has no eSMTP, mails bigger than limit (eg. 10MB)
> 	comes (very slowly) in, and gets aborted after limit. And remote
> 	mailserver retries for umpteen times more until max. retry count.
> 	=>Performance Feature lost
> 
> 3) Userlists (no such user) or selective Blocks (REJMAN)
> 	Because FW is not the mailserver, _every_ mail sucks in, is checked,
> 	an then, because MX rejects mails, is (what ? thrown away ?)...
> 	=>Performance and Anti-SPAM feature lost
> 
> 
> Another features which led to problems was, FW was a machine naturally
> listed in INSIDE_ADRESS address range. So starting the virus scanner led
> to SPAM-Relaying and we've been blocked by some RBLs/mailservers/ISPs !!
> This has been fixed by listing the FW explicitely as /REJECT in
> INSIDE_ADDRESS. But it took away some of our reputation...
> 
> 
> So, I'd like to ask:
> 
> What do you do ?
> Do you use MX as Anti-SPAM ?
> And if, how did you solve/workaround virus-scanning for mails ? With the FW ?

Get a firewall that does SMTP right or put a mailer in front of the
firewall to provide the other features you need, so you have something
like this:

  Internet -> powerful mailer -> firewall -> internal network

instead of your current setup which is like:

  Internet -> firewall -> internal network

> Virus Scanner is already paid and is a CVP (Content Vector Protocol)
> Solution. Do you have any idea, on how to use a CVP Virus Scanner
> _with_ MX (with Adress-Rewriter and SITE Interface there is probably a
> way for SMTP Virus Scanners, but how to communicate via CVP) ?

It is unlikely you can do that -- I am sure it doesn't run on VMS.

-Dan Wing


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Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:13:53 -0700
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
From: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
To: <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
Subject: RE: Virus Scanner
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:16:33 +0200
Message-ID: <00bc01be9103$fd2bd430$c8010a0a@schumi.ch>
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The idea behind CVP ws the ability to split firewall and anti-virus
services, for example. CVP servers dont need to run on the firewall
machines, preferably you set-up your CVP server on a different powerful
system. Communication happens over a defined TCP/IP port, at least this is
what has to be configured on different firewall(-1, no marketing here ;-) )
systems.

> It is unlikely you can do that -- I am sure it doesn't run on VMS.

Yes, the major part of CVP based virus scanner products are available on NT,
some on U**x derivates, indeed.

CVPopen/OPSECopen documentation can be found on
http://www.checkpoint.com/cvpopenspec/index.html
unfortunatley the code sample is a simple CVP server, we need a CVP client
integrated in MX, similar to RTB.

Greetings from Switzerland,

Kurt
--
Kurt A. Schumacher
KCS Engineering & Consulting | Auenstrasse 61, CH-8302 Kloten, Switzerland
Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch      POTS +41 1 881 37 80
http://www.schumi.ch           FAX +41 1 881 37 88

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Archive-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:04:51 -0700
Sender: svist070@stvincents.COM.AU
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:06:33 EDT
From: Daiajo Tibdixious MACS <svist070@svs30.stvincents.COM.AU>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
CC: svist070@stvincents.com.au
Message-ID: <009D75C9.91D116CA.15@svs30.stvincents.com.au>
Subject: Re: Virus Scanner

Tue, 27 Apr 1999 Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com>
>On 27 Apr 1999 17:32 +0100, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:
>> We run MX (now V5.1) on our VMScluster as the company SMTP mailserver
>> (means Exchangeserver is extra and only for the Problem Computers with

My sympathy is with you.

>  Internet -> powerful mailer -> firewall -> internal network

We run this way and it works very well.

The external mail server is V5.1 and does all the rejections. The internal mail
server is V4.2

The external mail server config is very simple, so is easy to maintain and
replicate if damaged. (Not that internet hackers could get into VMS!)
--
dTibdixious@stvincents.com.au  Server Technical Support
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Archive-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:29:24 -0700
Message-ID: <005e01be91ff$a9e815c0$de2c67cb@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au>
From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au>
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To: <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
References: <009D75C9.91D116CA.15@svs30.stvincents.com.au>
Subject: Re: Virus Scanner
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:48:04 +0930
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----- Original Message -----
From: Daiajo Tibdixious MACS <svist070@svs30.stvincents.COM.AU>
To: <MX-List@MadGoat.com>
Cc: <svist070@stvincents.com.au>
Sent: Friday, 30 April 1999 2:36
Subject: Re: Virus Scanner


> >  Internet -> powerful mailer -> firewall -> internal network
>
> We run this way and it works very well.

Ditto.   Works well.   We use an IPX/IP Gateway (on a Novell server) as a
firewall, running IPX only internally.
Users use POP3 via the gateway to access the VMS box to get their mail.

(Not that internet hackers could get into VMS!)

Much harder than u**x or nt to break into.

Cheers
Geoff Roberts
VK5KDR
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Mark's College
Port Pirie, South Australia.
Email:  geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au
              netcafe@pirie.mtx.net.au
ICQ #:  1970476




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Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:23:29 -0700
From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)
Subject: [MX V5.1] SHOW EXCLUSION is missing
Date: 30 Apr 1999 16:51:06 +0100
Message-ID: <3729c35a.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU

From the help:

SHOW
  Parameters
    keyword

       Specifies the information to be shown. Acceptable keywords are
       DATABASE_FILE, HEURISTICS, KEY, REJECTIONS, and VERSION. You must
       specify one of these keywords.


May I suggest, that EXCLUSIONS is added to the list of supported SHOW options ?

In fact, a command

	REJMAN>SHOW EXCLUSIONS

is already defined in REJMAN (at least in the CLD), but does not work...

And may I suggest, that the supported keyword ALL is listed in the help text ?

TIA

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651
Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888
FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net
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"VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998
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Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:05:02 -0700
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:07:29 -0500
From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
Message-ID: <009D7682.1A15D046.10@niuhep.physics.niu.edu>
Subject: I can't seem to get off of ORBs

What follows are the relevant (I think) results of "MCP> sho all". 

I have done a reset all, do I need to shutdown and restart or am I missing 
something else?

Any other information that would be useful?

MLF agent settings:
  Maximum recipients per message: NONE (no limit)
  Days of week to delay file server files:
    Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,Friday,Saturday,Sunday

SMTP server settings:
  Allow VRFY commands:            enabled
  Act as SMTP relay for any host: disabled [SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS lists hosts]
  Validate sender's domain name:  enabled
  Realtime Blackhole List check:  disabled

Inside IP networks/hosts:
    131.156.0.0      netmask 255.255.0.0

MCP> SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS

Local domain patterns for SMTP relay checks:
    *.NIU.EDU
    NIU.EDU

Yours hopefully,
Robert Morphis
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Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:31 -0700
From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)
Subject: Re: I can't seem to get off of ORBs
Date: 30 Apr 1999 18:43:50 +0100
Message-ID: <3729ddc6.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at>
Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com
To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU

In article <009D7682.1A15D046.10@niuhep.physics.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:
>What follows are the relevant (I think) results of "MCP> sho all". 
>
>I have done a reset all, do I need to shutdown and restart or am I missing 
>something else?

If the config is correct, a MCP RESET/CLUSTER should be sufficient.

>Any other information that would be useful?

Check the relay-check mail, the ORBS warning mail sent to you has attached.

>SMTP server settings:
>  Allow VRFY commands:            enabled

Consider turning this off.

>  Act as SMTP relay for any host: disabled [SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS lists hosts]
>  Validate sender's domain name:  enabled
>  Realtime Blackhole List check:  disabled

Consider turning this on.

>Inside IP networks/hosts:
>    131.156.0.0      netmask 255.255.0.0
>
>MCP> SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS
>
>Local domain patterns for SMTP relay checks:
>    *.NIU.EDU
>    NIU.EDU

Do you have a Firewall SMTP server, too ?
We got (two weeks ago) on the ORBS list, because we forgot to disable the
firewall (hanging also on the internal LAN, means had an address in the
inside range) with "DEFINE INSIDE_ADDRESS firewall.ip.add /NET=mask /REJECT"
after we enabled a virus scanner on the firewall (which enabled the - very
lousy - SMTP server in the firewall of course)

Good luck

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651
Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888
FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net
<<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN
A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"
"VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998