Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 02:42:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:44:37 +0200 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Anders Olsson Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: relaying and related problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again! I=B4m sorry but I don=B4t get it. I=B4ve tried to fix things but now we= ourselves cannot send mail to the outside world: These are the setting that were used. I have taken away the "define inside" to make it possible to send=20 this. I=B4m confused. Andes Olsson SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 48 Number of DNS failure retries: 12 Accounting: disabled Default router: (none) =20 SMTP server settings: Allow VRFY commands: enabled Act as SMTP relay for any host: disabled [SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS lists hosts] Validate sender's domain name: enabled Realtime Blackhole List check: enabled (domain: rbl.maps.vix.com) =20 LOCAL agent settings: DECnet delivery retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. Multiple VMS Mail From: addresses allowed. Local delivery errors are not CC'ed to local Postmaster. Incoming quoted-printable MIME messages are decoded. EXQUOTA privilege is enabled during local deliveries. Top headers: FROM,SENDER,TO,RESENT_TO,CC,RESENT_CC,BCC,RESENT_BCC,MESSAGE_ID, RESENT_MESSAGE_ID,IN_REPLY_TO,REFERENCES,KEYWORDS,SUBJECT, ENCRYPTED,DATE,REPLY_TO,RESENT_REPLY_TO,RESENT_FROM,RESENT_SENDER, RESENT_DATE,OTHER Bottom headers: (none) =20 ROUTER agent settings: Accounting: disabled Automatic percent-hack handling: disabled Sender header for outgoing VMS Mail messages: included if necessary =20 JNET agent settings: Automatic percent-hack handling: enabled BSMTP replies: disabled Accounting: disabled Lenient about gatewaying mail: no No mailer username set. =20 DECnet_SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. =20 SITE agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 =20 X25_SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. =20 MLF agent settings: Maximum recipients per message: NONE (no limit) Days of week to delay file server files: Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,Friday,Saturday,Sunday =20 Local domain patterns for SMTP relay checks: *.KTH.SE =20 Inside IP networks/hosts: 130.237.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 __________________________________________________________ " En juste flanellograf sl=E5r vilken webl=E4sare som helst" (L.= Wittgenstein) __________________________________________________________ Anders Olsson, Systemadministrat=F6r, KTHB tel: 08-790 71 07 alt. 070-641 39 63 Fax: 08-790 78 52 mailto:anders@lib.kth.se ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 03:40:04 -0700 From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: relaying and related problems Date: 1 Jul 1999 12:05:19 +0100 Message-ID: <377b3d5f.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <175746492@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Anders Olsson writes: >I'm sorry but I don't get it. I've tried to fix things but now we ourselves >cannot send mail to the outside world: These are the setting that were >used. I have taken away the "define inside" to make it possible to send >this. I'm confused. >Andes Olsson > >SMTP agent settings: > Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 > Maximum number of retries: 48 > Number of DNS failure retries: 12 > Accounting: disabled > Default router: (none) Not related but enabling accounting is a good thing (tm). >SMTP server settings: > Allow VRFY commands: enabled > Act as SMTP relay for any host: disabled [SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS lists hosts] > Validate sender's domain name: enabled > Realtime Blackhole List check: enabled (domain: rbl.maps.vix.com) Not related but disabling VRFY commands is a good thing, too. >LOCAL agent settings: > DECnet delivery retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 > Maximum number of retries: 96 > Accounting disabled. > Multiple VMS Mail From: addresses allowed. > Local delivery errors are not CC'ed to local Postmaster. > Incoming quoted-printable MIME messages are decoded. > EXQUOTA privilege is enabled during local deliveries. > Top headers: > FROM,SENDER,TO,RESENT_TO,CC,RESENT_CC,BCC,RESENT_BCC,MESSAGE_ID, > RESENT_MESSAGE_ID,IN_REPLY_TO,REFERENCES,KEYWORDS,SUBJECT, > ENCRYPTED,DATE,REPLY_TO,RESENT_REPLY_TO,RESENT_FROM,RESENT_SENDER, > RESENT_DATE,OTHER > Bottom headers: > (none) See above >ROUTER agent settings: > Accounting: disabled > Automatic percent-hack handling: disabled > Sender header for outgoing VMS Mail messages: included if necessary See above >Local domain patterns for SMTP relay checks: > *.KTH.SE A "KTH.SE" should IMHO be there, too. >Inside IP networks/hosts: > 130.237.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 Adding a /RELAY_ALLOWED to this address range is what you seem to miss. When a mail, coming from a mailserver in this address range with a From: adress of "anything@kth.se" arrives, it is blocked because the /RELAY is not allowed and the domain is not treated as a local-domain. HIH -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 04:18:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:20:30 +0200 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Anders Olsson Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: relaying and related problems In-Reply-To: <377b3d5f.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!=20 I=B4m sorry to be back in this issue. I did the things Peter LANGSTOEGER suggested, and I still couldnt send to the outside world. Again I have been forced to undefine inside to be able to send this. Settings that were set after I got the suggestion. Of course I did a save and a reset. SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 48 Number of DNS failure retries: 12 Accounting: enabled Default router: (none) =20 SMTP server settings: Allow VRFY commands: disabled Act as SMTP relay for any host: disabled [SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS lists hosts] Validate sender's domain name: enabled Realtime Blackhole List check: enabled (domain: rbl.maps.vix.com) =20 LOCAL agent settings: DECnet delivery retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. Multiple VMS Mail From: addresses allowed. Local delivery errors are not CC'ed to local Postmaster. Incoming quoted-printable MIME messages are decoded. EXQUOTA privilege is enabled during local deliveries. Top headers: FROM,SENDER,TO,RESENT_TO,CC,RESENT_CC,BCC,RESENT_BCC,MESSAGE_ID, RESENT_MESSAGE_ID,IN_REPLY_TO,REFERENCES,KEYWORDS,SUBJECT, ENCRYPTED,DATE,REPLY_TO,RESENT_REPLY_TO,RESENT_FROM,RESENT_SENDER, RESENT_DATE,OTHER Bottom headers: (none) =20 ROUTER agent settings: Accounting: disabled Automatic percent-hack handling: disabled Sender header for outgoing VMS Mail messages: included if necessary =20 JNET agent settings: Automatic percent-hack handling: enabled BSMTP replies: disabled Accounting: disabled Lenient about gatewaying mail: no No mailer username set. =20 DECnet_SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. =20 SITE agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 =20 X25_SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. =20 MLF agent settings: Maximum recipients per message: NONE (no limit) Days of week to delay file server files: Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,Friday,Saturday,Sunday =20 Local domain patterns for SMTP relay checks: *.KTH.SE =20 Inside IP networks/hosts: 130.237.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 (Relay allowed) __________________________________________________________ " En juste flanellograf sl=E5r vilken webl=E4sare som helst" (L.= Wittgenstein) __________________________________________________________ Anders Olsson, Systemadministrat=F6r, KTHB tel: 08-790 71 07 alt. 070-641 39 63 Fax: 08-790 78 52 mailto:anders@lib.kth.se ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 04:50:47 -0700 From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: relaying and related problems Date: 1 Jul 1999 13:48:24 +0100 Message-ID: <377b5588.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <175763525@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Anders Olsson writes: >I'm sorry to be back in this issue. >I did the things Peter LANGSTOEGER suggested, and I still couldnt send to >the outside world. Again I have been forced to undefine inside to be able >to send this. >Settings that were set after I got the suggestion. Of course I did a save >and a reset. Reset what ? All ? And in Cluster ? $ MCP RESET/CLUSTER >Inside IP networks/hosts: > 130.237.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 (Relay allowed) Are you sure ? 130 is a Class B network. And netmask 255.255.0.0 would be normal for Class B... How about a $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC MX_EVENT_OPER_CLASS NETWORK $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC MX_ANTI_SPAM_DEBUG 1 !3 is the highest value $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC MX_SMTP_SERVER_LOG LOGICAL-TRANSLATION-IGNORED and so on ? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 04:54:09 -0700 Sender: jtb@atm.com.pl Message-ID: <99Jul1.140011met_dst.14353@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:52:31 +0200 From: Jacek Tobiasz Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com, Anders Olsson Subject: Re: relaying and related problems References: <377b3d5f.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > > In article <175746492@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Anders Olsson writes: > >I'm sorry but I don't get it. I've tried to fix things but now we ourselves > >cannot send mail to the outside world: These are the setting that were > >used. I have taken away the "define inside" to make it possible to send > >this. I'm confused. [...] some good (tm) sugestions from Peter here :-) > >Local domain patterns for SMTP relay checks: > > *.KTH.SE > > A "KTH.SE" should IMHO be there, too. maybe, but do not think it is the problem here (are you accepting user@KTH.SE as local mail ? There is no such path, do not think so) > >Inside IP networks/hosts: > > 130.237.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > Adding a /RELAY_ALLOWED to this address range is what you seem to miss. maybe, but what seems a bit strange for me is network address/mask 130.237.0.0/255.255.255.0. Do you want B class (65K IP addresses) to be able to use your MX ? In such a case modify mask (255.255.0.0). Or you want only computers within C class network to send mails via your server ? 130.237.0 as a network address is not so common ... I can see you server IP address is in network 130.237.29 so supespect this specification is not correct. > > When a mail, coming from a mailserver in this address range with a From: > adress of "anything@kth.se" arrives, it is blocked because the /RELAY > is not allowed and the domain is not treated as a local-domain. Adding kth.se as a local-domain should be enought in such a case ? I would prefer to live without /RELAY, so my users will not have a chance to spoof e-mail addresses and send it via my system. Regards Jacek p.s. written from memmory, so may be wrong with details ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:09:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 14:11:27 +0200 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Anders Olsson Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: relaying and related problems In-Reply-To: <377b5588.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ! I mentioned earlier (as a hint) that I=B4m a librarian faking in this business. B Class and C class doesn=B4t say so much to me and actually I have never really understood what a netmask is. Anyway, with your help to fiddle with these things I begin to think it works allright now. The inside setting now is Inside IP networks/hosts: 130.237.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 As I have understood you - If I add /RELAY_ALLOWED my people can act improperly if they chosed so. Thank You very much Anders=20 __________________________________________________________ " En juste flanellograf sl=E5r vilken webl=E4sare som helst" (L.= Wittgenstein) __________________________________________________________ Anders Olsson, Systemadministrat=F6r, KTHB tel: 08-790 71 07 alt. 070-641 39 63 Fax: 08-790 78 52 mailto:anders@lib.kth.se ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:51:23 -0700 From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: relaying and related problems Date: 1 Jul 1999 15:46:52 +0100 Message-ID: <377b714c.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <175772129@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Anders Olsson writes: >Anyway, with your help to fiddle with these things I begin to >think it works allright now. The inside setting now is > >Inside IP networks/hosts: > 130.237.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 Nice to hear. >As I have understood you - If I add /RELAY_ALLOWED my people can act >improperly if they chosed so. Yes, you are right. But it is easier to trust (and punish) inside users then any other one. We (and maybe you sometimes, too) were forced to use /RELAY_ALLOWED. In our case MX is our company SMTP mailserver and an Exchange server is there (in the INSIDE_NETWORKS) for our PC users. Imagine, a mail comes in from an external originator, gets relayed to the exchange server. A rule (defined in outlook) then forwards this mail via a (external) mail-to-SMS gateway to the GSM mobile of this user. His (and some others) boss wanted him to do this. Without /RELAY_ALLOWED I would have to define this outside mail-to-SMS gateway as an local_domain (which is obviously not) or allow relaying (which we did), because the now outgoing mail still has the original external mail address and the new destination address is now also external (the mail-to-SMS gateway service of the GSM provider). If I could solve the Outlook/Exchange problem(s), I would then disallow relaying for inside users again ! The (first) problem is that the Exchange server sends a mail with the original From: address. The other problem is that also mail with Multi-Mega-Byte Attachments get's relayed to the GSM (which then only allows 160 Text Bytes !). So maybe a better solution is a solution for both problems. Eg. Outlook/Exchange sends a mail for itself (with a local From Address) containing the original From:, To:, Subject: and - why not - the mailsize. Then the GSM owner get's useful information, no network bandwidth is wasted and MX relaying is not required. But I don't know how to solve this problem and our exchange admin told me, that there is no way. I still can't believe this. Anyone ?? Please !! With /RELAY_ALLOWED we now have a couple of users sending mails from their company mail account with a (external) From: address which they own privately. And we can't (and seem to not want to) avoid this... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:59:54 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:59:47 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: eplan@kapsch.net Message-ID: <009DA717.C5236046.32@MadGoat.Com> Subject: Re: relaying and related problems >Imagine, a mail comes in from an external originator, gets relayed to >the exchange server. A rule (defined in outlook) then forwards this mail >via a (external) mail-to-SMS gateway to the GSM mobile of this user. >His (and some others) boss wanted him to do this. > >Without /RELAY_ALLOWED I would have to define this outside mail-to-SMS >gateway as an local_domain (which is obviously not) or allow relaying >(which we did), because the now outgoing mail still has the original >external mail address and the new destination address is now also >external (the mail-to-SMS gateway service of the GSM provider). > >If I could solve the Outlook/Exchange problem(s), I would then disallow >relaying for inside users again ! You can at least limit the /RELAY_ALLOWED exposure by using two INSIDE_NETWORK definitions -- one for your network and one specific entry for just your Exchange server: DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 10.0.0.0/NETMASK=255.0.0.0 ! your net DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 10.1.2.3/RELAY_ALLOWED ! Exch server So at least you're limiting the number of inside systems permitted to relay. >The (first) problem is that the Exchange server sends a mail with >the original From: address. The other problem is that also mail with >Multi-Mega-Byte Attachments get's relayed to the GSM (which then only >allows 160 Text Bytes !). Ouch. You might be able to use SITE interface to filter messages going out to GSM, to trim messages that are too long. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:18:45 -0700 Sender: jtb@atm.com.pl Message-ID: <99Jul1.162248met_dst.14342@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:15:07 +0200 From: Jacek Tobiasz Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: relaying and related problems References: <377b714c.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > We (and maybe you sometimes, too) were forced to use /RELAY_ALLOWED. At the university I have installed MX, there is no /RELAY_ALLOWED, and hope users will not know about it :-) From time to time guests try to send mails from local PCes and change From: filed within Netscape to their home address ... Since there is no /RELAY_ALLOWED here, such a mail is rejected. It is the price we pay for it. Users complain. > In our case MX is our company SMTP mailserver and an Exchange server > is there (in the INSIDE_NETWORKS) for our PC users. > > Imagine, a mail comes in from an external originator, gets relayed to > the exchange server. A rule (defined in outlook) then forwards this mail > via a (external) mail-to-SMS gateway to the GSM mobile of this user. > His (and some others) boss wanted him to do this. > > Without /RELAY_ALLOWED I would have to define this outside mail-to-SMS > gateway as an local_domain (which is obviously not) or allow relaying > (which we did), because the now outgoing mail still has the original > external mail address and the new destination address is now also > external (the mail-to-SMS gateway service of the GSM provider). > > If I could solve the Outlook/Exchange problem(s), I would then disallow > relaying for inside users again ! > > The (first) problem is that the Exchange server sends a mail with > the original From: address. The other problem is that also mail with You mean MAIL FROM: envelope ? (RFC 821) "From:" field (RFC 822) is not an issue here. Silly Exchange ... [...] > With /RELAY_ALLOWED we now have a couple of users sending mails from > their company mail account with a (external) From: address which they > own privately. And we can't (and seem to not want to) avoid this... using MX as a relay, or Exchange is relaying ? in first case you have seend Matt's response, in second, you can disable Exchange relaying. If you/mgmt wants to ... regards Jacek ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:34:55 -0700 From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: relaying and related problems Date: 1 Jul 1999 18:29:54 +0100 Message-ID: <377b9782.0@nevada.kapsch.co.at> Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <009DA717.C5236046.32@MadGoat.Com>, Matt Madison writes: >You can at least limit the /RELAY_ALLOWED exposure by using two >INSIDE_NETWORK definitions -- one for your network and one specific >entry for just your Exchange server: > > DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 10.0.0.0/NETMASK=255.0.0.0 ! your net > DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 10.1.2.3/RELAY_ALLOWED ! Exch server > >So at least you're limiting the number of inside systems permitted >to relay. Already done. Doesn't work completely. Just as you wrote "limiting". Netscape Clients now point to the Exchange SMTP Server to get their (faked) mails out. Exchange seems to be not able to relay mails coming from other Exchange servers (of our other locations) and _not_ relay mails coming from SMTP systems. You can select all nor nothing and so we have to relay. Anyone ? >Ouch. You might be able to use SITE interface to filter messages going >out to GSM, to trim messages that are too long. But that does not solve the problem with attachments/MIME-decoding. The solution should IMHO be in Outlook/Exchange... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:25:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4.1.19990707182334.00af0df0@ntpop.usnews.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:25:11 -0400 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: Betsy Ramsey Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: MX 4.2 MLF problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We are running MX V4.2 AXP on OpenVMS Alpha 6.1. We have a mailing list with approximately 11000 entries that until a couple of weeks ago was working fine for a weekly mailing that we do. Now, however, the MLF process terminates whenever we attempt to post to the list: MX MLF (pid 20400739) exiting, status = 1C278034 We turned on debugging, and got a log file that looks like this [with names changed to protect the innocent [or guilty]]: 7-JUL-1999 17:53:26.70 Processing queue entry number 22 7-JUL-1999 17:53:26.74 Checking local name: mylist 7-JUL-1999 17:53:26.74 This is a mailing list. 7-JUL-1999 17:53:27.47 FORWARD_TO_LIST: Message is from: 7-JUL-1999 17:53:27.48 CHECK_ACCESS: checking someone@USNEWS.COM for acce ss mask=00000002 7-JUL-1999 17:53:27.50 CHECK_ACCESS: Found address on system_users list. 7-JUL-1999 17:53:27.50 CHECK_ACCESS: -- access granted under SYSTEM class. 7-JUL-1999 17:53:28.33 FORWARD_TO_LIST: calling FORWARD_MESSAGE to do the gr unt work. 7-JUL-1999 17:53:28.39 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding queue entry number=23 7-JUL-1999 17:53:28.51 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding to: firstname@domain.com ...etc... It gets through 8000 or more of the FORWARD_MESSAGE: entries and then just ends. Any idea what might be happening? Anything else we can look at to tell what's going on? Do I need to make a bigger queue file? %MCP-I-QSTATUS, total entries: 11/20001 (0%) Highest entry used: 150 (0%) --Betsy Ramsey U.S. News & World Report Corporate Data Services Washington, DC USA phone: 202-955-2116 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:27:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:26:50 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <990707182650.202000b8@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: MX 4.2 MLF problem Betsy Ramsey writes: > >We are running MX V4.2 AXP on OpenVMS Alpha 6.1. > >We have a mailing list with approximately 11000 entries that until a couple >of weeks ago was working fine for a weekly mailing that we do. > >Now, however, the MLF process terminates whenever we attempt to post to the >list: > > MX MLF (pid 20400739) exiting, status = 1C278034 > $ set mess mx_exe:mx_msg $ write sys$output f$message(%x1C278034) %MX-F-MEMALLOC, error allocating memory from zone !AS $ The MLF agent is running out of memory. Try increasing the PGFLQUO and/or the WSEXTENT/WSQUOTA for the MLF process (in MX_EXE:MX_START.COM). Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:36:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:35:02 CDT From: J Kmoch Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <009DAD12.33443E60.13@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: SMTP Server Dying We just started having a situation where the SMTP Server was dying with a numeric message 10248074. This translates to %STR-F-STRTOOLON, string is too long (greater than 65535. The SMTP server has been working fine yessterday and since sometime yesterday it has crashed a number of times with this same error. I know you've heard this before, but I haven't done anything to this VAX system in awhile. Any ideas? Is there a fix? Temporarily I'm running a batch job which will attempt to restart the server every 15 minutes, though I don't know how to check in the batch job if it's actually there. Thus, I blindly execute this command. Thanks for your time. Joe -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:38:22 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:38:16 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <009DAD0A.4517ECFC.3@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: SMTP Server Dying >We just started having a situation where the SMTP Server was dying with a >numeric message 10248074. This translates to %STR-F-STRTOOLON, string is too >long (greater than 65535. The SMTP server has been working fine yessterday and >since sometime yesterday it has crashed a number of times with this same error. > >I know you've heard this before, but I haven't done anything to this VAX system >in awhile. Any ideas? Is there a fix? Looks like you're running V4.2. There is a patched SMTP_SERVER image at ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/mx/mx042/patch which should fix this problem. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:07:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:03:04 +0200 (Central Europe Daylight Time) From: Sipos Tibor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Missing Postmaster? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We just installed MX5.1. Almost everything went correct, but one: the local Postmaster dont't get any e-mails. I can't maintain our lists, because it needs *-request to get e-mails from, but I don't get mail nor from lists neither from delivery errors. My system_user is "postmaster@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU", list-owner: "POSTMASTER@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU", errors-to: POSTMASTER@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU (no ""!). It hides errors_to addresses, and copy post errors to /errors_to address: no. Privileges: sys:rwed, owner:rwed, group:rw, world:. Any clue? Sipi (Sipos Tibor) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:25:40 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:25:34 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: siposti@dragon.klte.hu Message-ID: <009DB213.4EE6F7D8.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Missing Postmaster? >We just installed MX5.1. Almost everything went correct, but one: > >the local Postmaster dont't get any e-mails. I can't maintain our lists, >because it needs *-request to get e-mails from, but I don't get mail nor >from lists neither from delivery errors. My system_user is >"postmaster@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU", list-owner: "POSTMASTER@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU", >errors-to: POSTMASTER@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU (no ""!). It hides errors_to >addresses, and copy post errors to /errors_to address: no. >Privileges: sys:rwed, owner:rwed, group:rw, world:. > >Any clue? Do you have an actual VMS username POSTMASTER, or is that an alias? If it's an alias, you will need to add your own e-mail address as either one of the SYSTEM_USERS or as a list owner in order for the list processor to accept control messages from you. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 03:52:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:47:52 +0200 (Central Europe Daylight Time) From: Sipos Tibor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Postmaster... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Recently we installed MX5.1. From now our Postmaster account have become unusuable. It is a real account, it worked with MX4.1, but now I (I'm the Postmaster) don't get any mail regarding to mailing list errors, delivery errors. If I send a message to it, I get it without errors. Config: System user: "SYSTEM@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU" Local delivery errors CC'ed to local Postmaster. List ISZK-L: Owner: "POSTMASTER@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU" Reply-to: List, NOSender Errors-to: POSTMASTER@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU Strip header: Received, NOOther Private list: Yes Case sensitive: No Digest support: No Hide /ERRORS_TO address: Yes Copy post errors to /ERRORS_TO address: No Protection: (SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:RWD, WORLD) No List-* headers Default settings: MAIL, REPRO, NOCONCEAL, NODIGEST, POST There is no aliases, no inside network addresses. Local domain patterns: kfrtkf.hu, *.klte.hu, novell.kfrtkf.hu. Does anybody know, what is the problem? Sipi ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:55:20 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:55:14 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: siposti@dragon.klte.hu Message-ID: <009DB2E0.9EA9C5B1.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Postmaster... >Recently we installed MX5.1. > >From now our Postmaster account have become unusuable. > >It is a real account, it worked with MX4.1, but now I (I'm the Postmaster) >don't get any mail regarding to mailing list errors, delivery errors. If I >send a message to it, I get it without errors. [...] >Does anybody know, what is the problem? I would suggest turning on debug logging in the MX agents (specifically, MLF, ROUTER, and LOCAL) to help track down where the mailing list error messages are going. The Troubleshooting chapter of the MX Manager's Guide should explain how to do this. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 03:53:35 -0700 From: "Najman Kahana" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:51:23 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) MAILER QUESTION Hello What is the reasoning behind automatically appending your own site address, to something like MX%aardvark? By writing "MX%", haven't I expressed a desire to look in my own alias database? I just had the embarrassing experience of sending a long personal letter to MX%DAVIDL, and neglecting the last letter. The MX sent it off to DAVID@hadassah.org.il, who does exist. OK, it's my fault, I shoulda looked more carefully; but can't I defeat the automatic expansion for keywords not in my alias list? Zev =========================== Najman Kahana Hadassah University Hospital Jerusalem, Israel E-mail: Najman@hadassah.org.il =========================== Thought for the day: A penny saved is ridiculous. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 19:47:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:47:43 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009DB4EF.A0BEBAB7.9@ALPHA.WKU.EDU> Subject: RE: (Fwd) MAILER QUESTION "Najman Kahana" writes: > > What is the reasoning behind automatically appending your >own site address, to something like MX%aardvark? By writing "MX%", >haven't I expressed a desire to look in my own alias database? > Not necessarily. You're telling MX you want it to deliver it. Before alias support was added (and still), MX could be used for local store and forward of mail messages. If no domain name was provided, the default is assumed. > I just had the embarrassing experience of sending a long >personal letter to MX%DAVIDL, and neglecting the last letter. >The MX sent it off to DAVID@hadassah.org.il, who does exist. >OK, it's my fault, I shoulda looked more carefully; but can't I >defeat the automatic expansion for keywords not in my alias list? > Unfortunately, no, I never thought of having a desire to do that. Of course, if you're using V4.2, you have the sources and can add such a switch yourself.... Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:50:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:45:54 +0200 (Central Europe Daylight Time) From: Sipos Tibor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Missing Postmaster... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I checked the debug-files. MX-Router gets the messages (mail to a private list, I'm not a member of it, so I have to get an error-message. I'v got it, but Postmaster no): 19-JUL-1999 13:55:25.99 %PROCESS, Processing entry number 158 19-JUL-1999 13:55:26.96 %PROCESS, Status from READ_INFO was 00000001 19-JUL-1999 13:55:27.54 %PROCESS, Recipient #1: 19-JUL-1999 13:55:30.44 %PROCESS, Recipient #2: 19-JUL-1999 13:55:31.69 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 19-JUL-1999 13:55:32.24 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on dragon.klte.hu err= =3D00000000 19-JUL-1999 13:55:33.20 %FINDPATH, domain name DRAGON.KLTE.HU matched pat= h pattern DRAGON.KLTE.HU 19-JUL-1999 13:55:33.77 %PROCESS, Rewrote as - next hop 193.6.138.65 [set by path route], path 2 19-JUL-1999 13:55:34.34 %REWRITE, No rewrite rules matched 19-JUL-1999 13:55:34.79 %FINDPATH, Site-spec expand on TIGRIS.KLTE.HU err= =3D00000000 19-JUL-1999 13:55:35.15 %FINDPATH, domain name TIGRIS.KLTE.HU matched pat= h pattern TIGRIS.KLTE.HU 19-JUL-1999 13:55:35.72 %PROCESS, Rewrote as = - next hop TIGRIS.KLTE.HU, path 1 19-JUL-1999 13:55:36.24 %FINDALIAS, no alias found for POSTMASTER 19-JUL-1999 13:55:37.00 %PROCESS, no alias found for POSTMASTER 19-JUL-1999 13:55:37.47 %PROCESS, this is just a local delivery 19-JUL-1999 13:55:38.96 %PROCESS, Adding to LOCAL path: POSTMASTER. 19-JUL-1999 13:55:41.12 %PROCESS, Path LOCAL gets 1 rcpts, entry number 1= 62 19-JUL-1999 13:55:42.61 %PROCESS, Adding to SMTP path: . 19-JUL-1999 13:55:44.87 %PROCESS, Path SMTP gets 1 rcpts, entry number 16= 4 Router passed the mail to LOCAl (Postmaster) and SMTP (siposti, it's me). It's OK. In the SMTP server log, there is only the request for the list ISZK-l: 19-JUL-1999 14:03:28.24 STM[15]: Send "220 tigris.klte.hu (MX V5.1 VAX) ESMTP server 19-JUL-1999 14:03:28.24 STM[15]: Send "220 tigris.klte.hu (MX V5.1 VAX) ESMTP server ready at Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:03:28 +0200" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:29.39 STM[15]: Receive "HELO tigris.klte.hu" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:29.51 STM[15]: Send "250 tigris.klte.hu" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:30.16 STM[15]: Receive "RSET" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:30.16 STM[15]: Send "250 2.5.0 Okay." 19-JUL-1999 14:03:30.54 STM[15]: Receive "MAIL FROM:" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:31.03 STM[15]: Send "250 2.1.0 MAIL command accepted." 19-JUL-1999 14:03:31.38 STM[15]: Receive "RCPT TO:" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:31.39 STM[15]: Send "250 2.1.5 OK " 19-JUL-1999 14:03:32.05 STM[15]: Receive "DATA" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:32.05 STM[15]: Send "354 Start mail input; end with ." 19-JUL-1999 14:03:33.01 STM[15]: Receive "Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:03:26 +0200" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:33.16 STM[15]: Receive "From: General Delivery " 19-JUL-1999 14:03:33.26 STM[15]: Receive "Message-ID: " 19-JUL-1999 14:03:33.90 STM[15]: Receive "MIME-Version: 1.0" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:34.26 STM[15]: Receive "Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:34.46 STM[15]: Receive "" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:36.36 STM[15]: Receive "remove "Sipos Tibor" " 19-JUL-1999 14:03:36.67 STM[15]: Receive "quit" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:36.84 STM[15]: Receive "" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:37.03 STM[15]: Receive "." 19-JUL-1999 14:03:37.39 STM[15]: Send "250 2.5.0 Message received and queued." 19-JUL-1999 14:03:37.65 STM[15]: Receive "QUIT" 19-JUL-1999 14:03:37.65 STM[15]: Send "221 2.3.0 tigris.klte.hu Service closing transmission channel" And the main thing: in MLF-log: 19-JUL-1999 14:10:22.66 Processing queue entry number 135 19-JUL-1999 14:10:23.61 GET_FROM_ADDR: Message is from: General Delivery 19-JUL-1999 14:10:24.38 This is from an automated mail daemon; ignoring it.... 19-JUL-1999 14:10:25.04 Checking local name: iszk-l-request 19-JUL-1999 14:10:25.54 This is a list control address. 19-JUL-1999 14:10:26.04 This is a local message from Postmaster; will not process. 19-JUL-1999 14:10:26.76 ...Forwarding message to System Users. 19-JUL-1999 14:10:28.10 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding queue entry number=3D136 19-JUL-1999 14:10:29.20 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Max recipients per message=3D= 0 19-JUL-1999 14:10:29.57 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding to: SYSTEM@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU 19-JUL-1999 14:10:32.60 All done with this entry. So, as I see, MLF thought that Postmaster isn't a real person, so don't deliver it's mail... it's ok, but I don't understand, why. But there is the question: Postmaster why don't get any error-informing mail (local, smtp delivery error, no such user, etc), because these aren't use MLF. Sipi _________________________________________________________________________= ____ Sipos Tibor Tel.: (52) 316-666/2564 KLTE ISZK =09 H-4010 Debrecen E-Mail: siposti@dragon.klte.hu Egyetem t=E9r 1. siposti@tigris.klte.hu _________________________________________________________________________= ____ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:07:56 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:07:50 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: siposti@dragon.klte.hu Message-ID: <009DB53D.E06B4EC5.15@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Missing Postmaster... >I checked the debug-files. MX-Router gets the messages (mail to a private >list, I'm not a member of it, so I have to get an error-message. I'v got >it, but Postmaster no): [...] >Router passed the mail to LOCAl (Postmaster) and SMTP (siposti, it's me). >It's OK. Do you have the LOCAL debug log? >And the main thing: in MLF-log: > >19-JUL-1999 14:10:22.66 Processing queue entry number 135 >19-JUL-1999 14:10:23.61 GET_FROM_ADDR: Message is from: General >Delivery >19-JUL-1999 14:10:24.38 This is from an automated mail daemon; ignoring >it.... >19-JUL-1999 14:10:25.04 Checking local name: iszk-l-request >19-JUL-1999 14:10:25.54 This is a list control address. >19-JUL-1999 14:10:26.04 This is a local message from Postmaster; will >not process. >19-JUL-1999 14:10:26.76 ...Forwarding message to System Users. >19-JUL-1999 14:10:28.10 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding queue entry >number=136 >19-JUL-1999 14:10:29.20 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Max recipients per message=0 >19-JUL-1999 14:10:29.57 FORWARD_MESSAGE: Forwarding to: >SYSTEM@TIGRIS.KLTE.HU >19-JUL-1999 14:10:32.60 All done with this entry. > >So, as I see, MLF thought that Postmaster isn't a real person, so don't >deliver it's mail... it's ok, but I don't understand, why. But there is >the question: Postmaster why don't get any error-informing mail (local, >smtp delivery error, no such user, etc), because these aren't use MLF. This is a feature. Since "Postmaster" is often used by mailers to represent the mailer process itself, rather than a real person, MLF ignores messages coming from that address (as well as MAILER-DAEMON and a few other similar addresses) to prevent mail loops. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:23:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:18:38 +0200 (Central Europe Daylight Time) From: Sipos Tibor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: RE: Missing Postmaster... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > This is a feature. Since "Postmaster" is often used by mailers to repr= esent > the mailer process itself, rather than a real person, MLF ignores messa= ges > coming from that address (as well as MAILER-DAEMON and a few other simi= lar > addresses) to prevent mail loops. It's ok, but then how can I add/remove members from/to a list? It needs Postmaster to send mails to *-request, and if MLF ignores mails from Postmaster, I never can use the MLF commands! In MX4.1 it worked well, I could always add/remove the guys. And the logs: SMTP SERVER gets the incoming mail with a non-existent user as mail to: > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:56.69 STM[11]: Send "220 tigris.klte.hu (MX V5.1 VAX)= ESMTP server ready at Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:10:56 +0200" > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:56.78 STM[11]: Receive "EHLO -f" > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:56.87 STM[11]: Send "250-tigris.klte.hu (host name ve= rification failed) > 250-PIPELINING > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-DSN > 250-ETRN > 250 SIZE 2048000" > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:56.91 STM[11]: Receive "MAIL From: SIZE=3D427" > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:57.24 STM[11]: Send "250 2.1.0 MAIL command accepted.= " > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:57.24 STM[11]: Receive "RCPT To:= " > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:57.40 STM[11]: Send "550 5.1.1 No such local user: fg= gf" > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:57.41 STM[11]: Receive "RSET" > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:57.53 STM[11]: Send "250 2.5.0 Server has reset to in= itial state." > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:58.95 STM[11]: Receive "QUIT" > 20-JUL-1999 10:10:58.95 STM[11]: Send "221 2.3.0 tigris.klte.hu Service= closing transmission channel" After it, there is no other mail in the log files. But I got an answer from MAIL DELIVERY SUBSYSTEM (MAILER DAEMON), but not the Postmaster, and this mail isn't in any logfile (nor ROUTER, nor SMTP). Anyway, I got it =20 (from daemon to siposti@dragon): > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:38:30 -0100 (GMT) > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: siposti@dragon.klte.hu > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown And yet another two thing (first): when delivering list error message (mailing to a private list, which I'm=20 not a member) to LOCAL Postmaster, in the LOCAL log: > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.80 Processing queue entry number 15 > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.98 Checking local name: POSTMASTER > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:27.14 This is a regular delivery to POSTMASTER. > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:27.45 DELIVER: mime_headers =3D 0 > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:27.58 DELIVER: fdlstr =3D "" > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:27.72 DELIVER: Using MX%"Postmaster@tigris.klte.hu= " "MX mailing list and file server" as VMS MAIL From address. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:27.83 DELIVER: Using MX%"siposti@dragon.klte.hu"=20 as VMS MAIL To address. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:27.96 DELIVER: Using as VMS MAIL CC address. > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:28.08 DELIVER: Using "Mailing list or file server error" as subject. > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:28.85 DELIVER: Delivering to POSTMASTER > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:30.35 DELIVER: Status=3D00000001 from MAIL$ routin= es > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:30.81 All done with this entry. From=3DPostmaster, To=3Dsiposti@dragon, but it is delivering to POSTMASTE= R. And this is a LOCAL mail, it has to be go to local Postmaster, not for siposti@dragon!!! Second: > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.02 Processing queue entry number 17 on node TIGRIS= for path number 2 > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.43 Recipient: , route=3D= 193.6.138.65 > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.72 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with 1= 93.6.138.65 [193.6.138.65] > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.94 SMTP_SEND: Connected > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:31.24 SMTP_Send: MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=3D800 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:31.61 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 <>... Sender ok ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:31.70 SMTP_Send: RCPT TO: N= OTIFY=3DNEVER > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:31.90 SMTP_SEND: Rcvd: 250 = ... Recipient ok > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:32.01 SMTP_Send: DATA > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:32.43 SMTP_Send: Sent: From: MX mailing list and f= ile server > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:32.52 SMTP_Send: Sent: To: > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:32.62 SMTP_Send: Sent: Subject: Mailing list or fil= e server error > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:32.72 SMTP_Send: Sent: > 20-JUL-1999 10:11:32.82 SMTP_SEND: Sent: Note: this message was gener= ated automatically. There is no sender (From:) in the envelope! But when I got the message, i= t contained it right: > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:20 +0200 > From: MX mailing list and file server > To: siposti@dragon.klte.hu > Subject: Mailing list or file server error Any clue? Sipi _________________________________________________________________________= ____ Sipos Tibor Tel.: (52) 316-666/2564 KLTE ISZK =09 H-4010 Debrecen E-Mail: siposti@dragon.klte.hu Egyetem t=E9r 1. siposti@tigris.klte.hu _________________________________________________________________________= ____ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:36:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 9:36:43 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <990722093643.202000c0@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Missing Postmaster... (fwd) Sipos Tibor writes: > >> This is a feature. Since "Postmaster" is often used by mailers to represent >> the mailer process itself, rather than a real person, MLF ignores messages >> coming from that address (as well as MAILER-DAEMON and a few other similar >> addresses) to prevent mail loops. > >It's ok, but then how can I add/remove members from/to a list? It needs >Postmaster to send mails to *-request, and if MLF ignores mails from >Postmaster, I never can use the MLF commands! In MX4.1 it worked well, I >could always add/remove the guys. > Yes, the feature was added in V4.2. The solution is simple: use some account besides POSTMASTER and be sure the account is either listed in SYSTEM_USERS or is a /OWNER for the list. >And yet another two thing (first): >when delivering list error message (mailing to a private list, which I'm >not a member) to LOCAL Postmaster, in the LOCAL log: > >> 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.80 Processing queue entry number 15 >> 20-JUL-1999 10:11:26.98 Checking local name: POSTMASTER >> 20-JUL-1999 10:11:27.14 This is a regular delivery to POSTMASTER. >From=Postmaster, To=siposti@dragon, but it is delivering to POSTMASTER. >And this is a LOCAL mail, it has to be go to local Postmaster, not for >siposti@dragon!!! > The RFC822 From: and To: are irrelevant. The message is destined for POSTMASTER, as shown in the first three lines of the log. Which means POSTMASTER was listed in the RFC821 envelope RCPT TO:. Sounds like you need to check your aliases or whatever for addresses being rewritten to POSTMASTER. >> 20-JUL-1999 10:11:31.24 SMTP_Send: MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=800 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...] >There is no sender (From:) in the envelope! But when I got the message, it >contained it right: > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:20 +0200 >> From: MX mailing list and file server >> To: siposti@dragon.klte.hu >> Subject: Mailing list or file server error > >Any clue? > This too is a feature. MAIL FROM:<> is perfectly legitimate, and is generated by the MLF processor. It's "<>" to keep bounces from generating more bounces. The From: you're seeing is in the RFC822 headers, not the SMTP envelope. In other words, this is not a problem, this is the way it's supposed to work. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: <379767B7.6F848F4C@ccr.dsi.uanl.mx> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:49:28 -0600 From: Miguel Angel Avila =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1zquez?= Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "MX-List@MadGoat.com" Subject: Problem with VMS Mail and MX. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am using OpenVMS 6.2 for VAX and MX042, and when a user types the complete email address in the TO: item, the system responds with the following error message: MAIL> send To: username@hostname %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion -SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation and when the user (sender) specifies the username without the hostname it can send the message when the username matches an account in the system only. What can I do to resolve this problem? Any suggestions will be appreciated!. Thanks. Miguel Angel ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:56:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:56:47 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <990722135647.202000c0@goat.process.com> Subject: RE: Problem with VMS Mail and MX. Miguel Angel Avila =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1zquez?= writes: > >I am using OpenVMS 6.2 for VAX and MX042, and when a user types the >complete email address in the TO: item, the system responds with the >following error message: > >MAIL> send >To: username@hostname >%MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX >%SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion >-SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion >%MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX >%RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation > >and when the user (sender) specifies the username without the hostname >it can send the message when the username matches an account in the >system only. > >What can I do to resolve this problem? Check the file protection on MX_MAILSHR.EXE and MX_MAILSHRP.EXE and make sure that both are INSTALLed properly: -------------------- $ install list mx_mailshr/ful DISK$AXPVMSSYS:.EXE MX_MAILSHR;77 Open Hdr Shared Lnkbl Entry access count = 1 Current / Maximum shared = 1 / 1 Global section count = 2 $ install list mx_mailshrp/ful DISK$AXPVMSSYS:.EXE MX_MAILSHRP;43 Open Hdr Shared Prot Lnkbl Entry access count = 1 Current / Maximum shared = 1 / 1 Global section count = 4 $ -------------------- Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990727083927.00ea4ec0@LIB1.HACC.EDU> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:39:27 -0400 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: "Michael L. Bowden" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Orbs again In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good Morning: I just spent 2 hours trying to figure out why I was back on the Orbs list again. I locked down my site the first time I was on the list. My question is this: is this an offical organization? Are we targeted because we are an MX site instead of something else? These Orbs folk seem to be pretty powerful and threatening. Does anyone on this list check Orbs before processing mail? Michael mlbowden@hacc.edu Harrisburg Area Community College ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:04:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:04:26 -0400 From: mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU Message-ID: <009DBBB0.A2E8D288.3@LIB1.HACC.EDU> Subject: RE: Orbs again Hi folks: I would appreciate some assistance from those of you have have been dealing with the whole ORBS thing. I have everythig shutdown at my site but addresses like are being processed. I can't figure out how to turn these off. I have disabled just about everything. Relay is only setup up for our local IP addresses. I don't see anything in the smtp server that will reject these. Any thoughts? Thanks. Michael mlbowden@hacc.edu Harrisburg Area Community College ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:22:21 -0700 Sender: jtb@atm.com.pl Message-ID: <99Jul27.183010met_dst.14337@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:20:06 +0200 From: Jacek Tobiasz Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU Subject: Re: Orbs again References: <009DBBB0.A2E8D288.3@LIB1.HACC.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mlbowden@LIB1.HACC.EDU wrote: > > Hi folks: > > I would appreciate some assistance from those of you have have been dealing > with the whole ORBS thing. I have everythig shutdown at my site but addresses > like are being processed. I can't figure out how > to turn these off. from my system: MCP> sh router ROUTER agent settings: Accounting: disabled Automatic percent-hack handling: disabled ^^^^^^^^ Sender header for outgoing VMS Mail messages: included if necessary MCP> help set router /percent > I have disabled just about everything. Relay is only setup never say "everything" :-) I assume you are running MX >= 5.x ? Percent hack is present in 4.x too, but 4.x is not able to block relaying. > up for our local IP addresses. I don't see anything in the smtp server that > will reject these. Have you looked at MX-list archives ? If you have mx 5.x you should have access to MX-Support. ORBS was discussed recently on both lists. regards Jacek ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:47:06 -0700 Message-ID: <007401bed81d$a7e35fa0$14c50718@lvrmr1.sfba.home.com> From: "Esa Laitinen" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990727083927.00ea4ec0@LIB1.HACC.EDU> Subject: Re: Orbs again Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:49:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael L. Bowden wrote: > My question is this: is this an offical organization? Are we targeted > because we are an MX site instead of something else? These Orbs folk seem > to be pretty powerful and threatening. Does anyone on this list check Orbs > before processing mail? A few answers. There are not that many official organizations in the internet. They're a system providing service, ie. a list of servers vunerable to network abuse. They expose this via a dns interface, thus diminishing the risk of being abused by spammers. You're not targetted because you're using mx. The reason you ended up in the list again is that they noticed that spammers started using old hacks again (like the % hack), they improved their relay tester to include those vunerabilities and retested the systems that have appeared in orbs one time or another and later closed, to see if these particular vunerabilities have been fixed as well. Their bark is worse than their bite, not too many systems use imrss or orbs, mainly because big isps end up in these lists too easily: one of their customers have an open relay and somebody notices it -> imrss and orbs, here we come. But IMHO they serve a good purpose of getting those relays closed. I mean, even you wouldn't have known you had a problem if they didn't tell you about it. I'd much rather have them notify me of the problem than noticing one morning that my mail server is down, and there is about 10000 hatemails waiting for me when I get it up. I do submit abused relays to both imrss and orbs, normally they're in there already. If you're using 5.1 version you can use one of these, as well. If you want to be extremely conservative, you can use http://maps.vix.com/rbl (default for mx 5.1, if you enable this). They're extremely conservative in who they list, so you really have to work hard to get into their list. This also means that they're not too effective in blocking spam, but they're extremely effective in getting companies handle the situation: if a company ends in RBL, they can be blocked out from 40% of the internet (I saw that figure in a message a few weeks back). Some isps even block ip-traffic at router level from these RBL'd companies, so not even www-access would get thru. The one we're using here is RRSS (http://relays.radparker.com). They're a compromise between imrss/orbs approach and MAPS RBL. They list open relays which have been provenly abused, and they list the specific spam on the list. This blocks a lot of the garbage coming in via open relays. Yours, Esa Laitinen ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:00:57 -0700 Message-ID: <379DE6CD.EF615058@ccr.dsi.uanl.mx> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:05:18 -0600 From: Miguel Angel Avila =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1zquez?= Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "MX-List@MadGoat.com" Subject: Problem with VMS Mail and MX configuration. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I sent several days ago a message showing the problem that currently I have on a VAX system, and is as follows below: ======================================================== I am using OpenVMS 6.2 for VAX and MX042, and when a user types the complete email address in the TO: item, the system responds with the following error message: MAIL> send To: username@hostname %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion -SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation and when the user (sender) specifies the username without the hostname it can send the message when the username matches an account in the system only. ================================================== I appreciate your help about the problem I posted several days ago on the list. The results below show my current settings on the images suggested, but I donīt understand so well what do they mean. Could you tell me if there is something wrong on these settings, please? $ install list mx_mailshr/ful DISK$CCR1:.EXE MX_MAILSHR;2 Open Hdr Shar Lnkbl Entry access count = 26 Current / Maximum shared = 4 / 7 Global section count = 3 $ install list mx_mailshrp/ful DISK$CCR1:.EXE MX_MAILSHRP;2 Open Hdr Shar Prot Lnkbl Entry access count = 26 Current / Maximum shared = 4 / 9 Global section count = 5 Any suggestions will be appreciated!. Thanks. Miguel Angel. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:25:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:29:16 -0500 From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009DBBBC.7CCF5651.26@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> Subject: RE: Problem with VMS Mail and MX configuration. I haven't been following this so please forgive if it has already been asked: What does a $ mcr MX_EXE:MCP status show? >I am using OpenVMS 6.2 for VAX and MX042, and when a user types the >complete email address in the TO: item, the system responds with the >following error message: >MAIL> send >To: username@hostname >%MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX >%SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion >-SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion >%MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport MX >%RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation >and when the user (sender) specifies the username without the hostname >it can send the message when the username matches an account in the >system only. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:13:07 -0700 Message-ID: <379E21E9.67F62458@ccr.dsi.uanl.mx> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:17:29 -0600 From: Miguel Angel Avila =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1zquez?= Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Problem with VMS Mail and MX configuration. References: <009DBBBC.7CCF5651.26@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote: > I haven't been following this so please forgive if it has already > been asked: > > What does a > $ mcr MX_EXE:MCP status > show? The MX status displayed is as follows below: PID Process name Status Agent type -------- --------------- ------------------ ----------- 00008520 MX Router#2 Idle Router agent 0000D31E MX Router Idle Router agent 0000C922 MX Local Waiting for # 33 Local delivery agent 0000C924 MX Local#2 Idle Local delivery agent 0000CE25 MX Local#3 Idle Local delivery agent 0000D431 MX MLF Idle Mailing list/file server 0000C429 MX SMTP#3 Processing # 53 SMTP delivery agent 0000C92A MX SMTP#4 Waiting for # 44 SMTP delivery agent 0000C92C MX SMTP#5 Waiting for # 41 SMTP delivery agent 0000CB2D MX SMTP#6 Waiting for # 50 SMTP delivery agent 0000CC27 MX SMTP Waiting for # 49 SMTP delivery agent 0000CF28 MX SMTP#2 Waiting for # 46 SMTP delivery agent 0000CB26 MX Site Agent Idle Site-specific delivery agent 0000CA2E MX SMTP Server Connected 2 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) 0000CC1D MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager 0000CC30 MX LSV Intfc Idle Listserv interface agent Any comments, thanks!. Miguel Angel. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:40:11 -0700 Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com From: "Richard Wolff" To: Subject: stopping the relay of SPAM Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:42:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bedaa2$16af58e0$41933cc7@selkirk.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have recently installed MX 5.1 I would like to stop the relay of SPAM What commands do I use? The release notes 3.9.1 indicate that I should use the DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK-ADDRESS command but don't give any particulars. I have only printed the Release Notes and the User's Guide so I suppose there is another manual that I need. Richard Wolff Selkirk College Castlegar, BC ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:42:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:41:40 -0500 From: "Edward J. Groth" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009DBE08.F42AB373.15@PUPGG.PRINCETON.EDU> Subject: Out until 4-Aug I will be out of the office and reading email sporadically, if at all, until August 4, 1999. If you have a question about graduate studies, please contact Laurel Lerner, assistant to the director of graduate studies, laurel@pupgg.princeton.edu. For general assistance, contact my secretary, Angela Qualls, angelaq@princeton.edu. You should receive only one copy of this message. I apologize if it hits a mailing list! - Ed -- /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Edward J. Groth | Phone: 609-258-4361 Fax: 609-258-6853 | | Physics Dept., Jadwin Hall | URL: http://pupgg.princeton.edu/~groth/ | | Princeton University | SPAN/HEPNET: PUPGG::GROTH=44117::GROTH | | Princeton, NJ 08544 | Internet: groth@pupgg.princeton.edu | \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:53:21 -0700 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:53:14 -0700 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca Message-ID: <009DBDF1.6C7BDC3E.14@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: stopping the relay of SPAM >I have recently installed MX 5.1 > >I would like to stop the relay of SPAM > >What commands do I use? The release notes 3.9.1 >indicate that I should use the DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK-ADDRESS >command but don't give any particulars. >I have only printed the Release Notes and the User's Guide >so I suppose there is another manual that I need. There is a chapter in the Manager's Guide that describes the commands you are looking for. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:08:54 -0700 Message-ID: <007d01bedaa6$1f35d300$14c50718@laitinen.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com> From: "Esa Laitinen" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: References: <000a01bedaa2$16af58e0$41933cc7@selkirk.bc.ca> Subject: Re: stopping the relay of SPAM Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:11:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have only printed the Release Notes and the User's Guide > so I suppose there is another manual that I need. Yes, as Matt already said. And the on-line pointer http://www.madgoat.com/mx/mx_mgmt_guide_contents.html#toc_chapter_8 esa