Archive-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:29:08 -0800 Subject: Queue Question To: mx-list@madgoat.com CC: BCC: Message-ID: From: wlukas@usgs.gov Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:29:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello- Over the holidays, it seems that our mail queue reached capacity and MX began rejecting incoming messages. TO correct it, I synchronized the queue and also reset the counter to 0 hoping this would let mail flow, which it did. The question is, why doesn't any of the entries in the queue directories show up when I do a queue show? The queue statistics output shows the queue filling up to capacity again, and I do see messages relaying through SMTP. Is there still something that needs fixing here? MX version id is: MX V5.1 Thanks, Bill Lukas ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:22:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Queue Question From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <38725569$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 4 Jan 2000 21:17:45 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article , wlukas@usgs.gov writes: >Over the holidays, it seems that our mail queue reached capacity and MX >began rejecting incoming messages. TO correct it, I synchronized the >queue and also reset the counter to 0 hoping this would let mail flow, >which it did. The question is, why doesn't any of the entries in the queue >directories show up when I do a queue show? The queue statistics output >shows the queue filling up to capacity again, and I do see messages >relaying through SMTP. Is there still something that needs fixing here? > >MX version id is: MX V5.1 *) Upgrade to V5.1-A *) Increase the size of your MX queues (we run 20000 entries for 2000 people) *) Check if the FLQ cleanup works *) Check if rejection reason is not disk freespace limit -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:50:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20000104204954.3785.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 4 Jan 00 14:49:53 CST From: Michael Angello Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU Subject: MX cannot receive email from outside. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using MX V4.2 with Open VMS 6.2 on a VAX system, and I=B4m having th= e following problem: The system permits the normal email traffic locally, and deliver email to= any other host on the Net (like netscape, hotmail, etc.). Those messages deli= vered to the internet hosts are successfully received, but the system cannot re= ceive the email messages from other host of outside networks like netscape, hot= mail, etc. I have the following information about the MX process running: $ mcp stat PID Process name Status Agent type -------- --------------- ------------------ ----------- 00000342 MX Router Idle Router agent 00000344 MX Router#2 Idle Router agent 00000345 MX Local Idle Local delivery agent 00000346 MX Local#2 Idle Local delivery agent 0000034B MX Local#3 Idle Local delivery agent 00000356 MX MLF Idle Mailing list/file server 0000034D MX SMTP Waiting for # 10 SMTP delivery agent 0000034E MX SMTP#2 Processing # 12 SMTP delivery agent 0000034F MX SMTP#3 Waiting for # 24 SMTP delivery agent 00000350 MX SMTP#4 Waiting for # 26 SMTP delivery agent 00000351 MX SMTP#5 Waiting for # 8 SMTP delivery agent 00000352 MX SMTP#6 Waiting for # 22 SMTP delivery agent 0000034C MX Site Agent Idle Site-specific delivery agent 00000353 MX SMTP Server Connected 1 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) 00000341 MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager 00000355 MX LSV Intfc Idle Listserv interface agent $ $ mcp queue stat %MCP-I-QSTATUS, total entries: 13/2053 (0%) Highest entry used: 2053 (1= 00%) the MX configuration with MX SHOW ALL is the same since the time it was working correctly, what can I do to resolve this problem has quickly as possible? Any suggestions about this are appreciated in advance, thanks! Miguel Angel Avila V=E1zquez. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:05:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Queue Question To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: BCC: Message-ID: From: wlukas@usgs.gov Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:05:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have done the upgrade, and am still having a QUEUE SHOW problem. The queue is filling up again. I am sure that the error is NOT disk freespace related. The error states that there is a problem with the queue. I debugged MX_FLQ and see that there may be a problem here. One "channel" appears to be running cleanups, but the others say: 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.71 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Checking lock, resnam=FLQ_LOCK_ISDMNL_RQC 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.75 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Someone else is doing the cleanups. Bye. Is this normal? Can you manually run cleanup? Is it possible that synchronize takes a long time and I am being impatient? This has been frustratign since MX has run fine since the very start. Thanks for the information. Bill Lukas eplan@kapsch. net (Peter To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU LANGSTOEGER) cc: Subject: Re: Queue Question 01/04/00 12:17 PM Please respond to MX-List In article , wlukas@usgs.gov writes: >Over the holidays, it seems that our mail queue reached capacity and MX >began rejecting incoming messages. TO correct it, I synchronized the >queue and also reset the counter to 0 hoping this would let mail flow, >which it did. The question is, why doesn't any of the entries in the queue >directories show up when I do a queue show? The queue statistics output >shows the queue filling up to capacity again, and I do see messages >relaying through SMTP. Is there still something that needs fixing here? > >MX version id is: MX V5.1 *) Upgrade to V5.1-A *) Increase the size of your MX queues (we run 20000 entries for 2000 people) *) Check if the FLQ cleanup works *) Check if rejection reason is not disk freespace limit -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:30:28 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:30:21 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000104183021.202000c3@process.com> Subject: Re: Queue Question wlukas@usgs.gov writes: > >I have done the upgrade, and am still having a QUEUE SHOW problem. The >queue is filling up again. I am sure that the error is NOT disk freespace >related. The error states that there is a problem with the queue. > And what is the error message? >I debugged MX_FLQ and see that there may be a problem here. One "channel" >appears to be running cleanups, but the others say: > > 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.71 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Checking lock, > resnam=FLQ_LOCK_ISDMNL_RQC > 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.75 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Someone else is doing the cleanups. > Bye. > >Is this normal? Yes. >Can you manually run cleanup? Is it possible that >synchronize takes a long time and I am being impatient? It's possible that the cleanup can take a long time---especially if the queue is really full and you have messages coming in at the same time a cleanup is going on. You might try shutting down all the agents, then doing a QUEUE PURGE by hand, then restarting the agents. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 05:44:13 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 05:44:07 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E3AC8.58D2142E.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: MX cannot receive email from outside. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I am using MX V4.2 with Open VMS 6.2 on a VAX system, and I=B4m having the >following problem: >The system permits the normal email traffic locally, and deliver email to= any >other host on the Net (like netscape, hotmail, etc.). Those messages deliv= ered >to the internet hosts are successfully received, but the system cannot rec= eive >the email messages from other host of outside networks like netscape, hotm= ail, >etc. >I have the following information about the MX process running: =5B...=5D >00000353 MX SMTP Server Connected 1 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) Well, the SMTP server appears to be running. I'd suggest turning on debug logging, sending yourself a test message from one of these outside hosts, a= nd seeing what shows up in the log. If the message makes it through the SMTP server OK, you should then check on the Router, and finally the Local deliv= ery agent. Those three processes would be the ones involved in delivery of a message to a local user from outside. -Matt --=20 Matthew Madison =7C MadGoat Software =7C PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 950= 61 USA madison=40madgoat.com http://www.madgoat= .com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:50:21 -0800 Message-ID: <38745551.C7D39E9C@aucotec.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:41:53 +0100 From: Franz Doeringhoff Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List Subject: Spamming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo all, I am using MX v4.2 with OpenVMS 7.1 on VAX system. Since a few day's there is some who uses my mailserver as relay for bad mail. How can i block him? Is there a way to allow only registered users or something like that? Thanks for any hint Franz +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ |AUCOTEC Frankfurt GmbH Tel. :(06196)4038-800 Fax.:-620| |Herr Doeringhoff Mailto:fdo@aucotec.com | |Industriestr. 20a Mailto:service@aucotec.com | |D-65760 Eschborn http://www.aucotec.com | |Deutschland / Germany | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:19:39 -0800 From: "Kurt A. Schumacher" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: CC: Subject: RE: Spamming Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:13:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <38745551.C7D39E9C@aucotec.com> Franz, Best step for you is upgrade to the (commercial) V5.1-A version released end of 1999. I am sure Matt can make you a good offer. All essential anti-spam features built in, e.g. relay disabling, valid ("internal") TCP/IP network addresses check, valid domain check. Additional call-out interfaces in the SMTP server to implement customized features. Viele Grüsse nach Bankfurt, Kurt -- Kurt A. Schumacher KCS Engineering & Consulting | Auenstrasse 61, CH-8302 Kloten, Switzerland Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch POTS +41 1 881 37 80 http://www.schumi.ch FAX +41 1 881 37 88 > -----Original Message----- > From: Franz Doeringhoff [mailto:fdo@aucotec.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:42 AM > To: MX-List > Subject: Spamming > > > Hallo all, > > I am using MX v4.2 with OpenVMS 7.1 on VAX system. > Since a few day's there is some who uses my mailserver as relay for > bad mail. How can i block him? Is there a way to allow only > registered users or something like that? > > Thanks for any hint > > Franz > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > |AUCOTEC Frankfurt GmbH Tel. :(06196)4038-800 Fax.:-620| > |Herr Doeringhoff Mailto:fdo@aucotec.com | > |Industriestr. 20a Mailto:service@aucotec.com | > |D-65760 Eschborn http://www.aucotec.com | > |Deutschland / Germany | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:13:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Queue Question To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: BCC: Message-ID: From: wlukas@usgs.gov Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:12:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have really stumbled onto a bizarre problem. When people send mail via MX, they receive a message: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 4.3.0 Unable to receive right now due to message queue problem. It seems that MX is ignoring any messages in the queue directories and now it has built up to such a large volume that it has stopped working. Synchronize is apparently not doing the job. I tried the offline PURGE, but it instantly returned the prompt and seems to have done nothing. Here is some more telling (I hope) information: $ mcp queue stat %MCP-I-QSTATUS, total entries: 280/5005 (5%) Highest entry used: 0 (0%) ----strange eh? $ mcp queue show %MCP-I-QENTRIES, total matching entries: 0 I am at a loss as to what to do. Thanks for your help already . Bill Bill Lukas wlukas@usgs.gov 650-329-4353 916-455-7023 Hunter Goatley cc: Subject: Re: Queue Question 01/04/00 04:30 PM Please respond to MX-List wlukas@usgs.gov writes: > >I have done the upgrade, and am still having a QUEUE SHOW problem. The >queue is filling up again. I am sure that the error is NOT disk freespace >related. The error states that there is a problem with the queue. > And what is the error message? >I debugged MX_FLQ and see that there may be a problem here. One "channel" >appears to be running cleanups, but the others say: > > 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.71 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Checking lock, > resnam=FLQ_LOCK_ISDMNL_RQC > 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.75 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Someone else is doing the cleanups. > Bye. > >Is this normal? Yes. >Can you manually run cleanup? Is it possible that >synchronize takes a long time and I am being impatient? It's possible that the cleanup can take a long time---especially if the queue is really full and you have messages coming in at the same time a cleanup is going on. You might try shutting down all the agents, then doing a QUEUE PURGE by hand, then restarting the agents. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:45:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Queue Question To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: BCC: Message-ID: From: wlukas@usgs.gov Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:45:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It looks like all my messages in the queue directories are no longer "visible" to the FLQ_Manager/Router. I extended the queue again 3X and mail is flowing again, but I don't see any of the old messages being moved. Is there any way to get MX to recognize the stranded files in the queue? THanks again, Bill Lukas wlukas@usgs.gov 650-329-4353 916-455-7023 wlukas@usgs.g ov To: MX-List@MadGoat.com cc: 01/06/00 Subject: Re: Queue Question 09:12 AM Please respond to MX-List I have really stumbled onto a bizarre problem. When people send mail via MX, they receive a message: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 4.3.0 Unable to receive right now due to message queue problem. It seems that MX is ignoring any messages in the queue directories and now it has built up to such a large volume that it has stopped working. Synchronize is apparently not doing the job. I tried the offline PURGE, but it instantly returned the prompt and seems to have done nothing. Here is some more telling (I hope) information: $ mcp queue stat %MCP-I-QSTATUS, total entries: 280/5005 (5%) Highest entry used: 0 (0%) ----strange eh? $ mcp queue show %MCP-I-QENTRIES, total matching entries: 0 I am at a loss as to what to do. Thanks for your help already . Bill Bill Lukas wlukas@usgs.gov 650-329-4353 916-455-7023 Hunter Goatley cc: Subject: Re: Queue Question 01/04/00 04:30 PM Please respond to MX-List wlukas@usgs.gov writes: > >I have done the upgrade, and am still having a QUEUE SHOW problem. The >queue is filling up again. I am sure that the error is NOT disk freespace >related. The error states that there is a problem with the queue. > And what is the error message? >I debugged MX_FLQ and see that there may be a problem here. One "channel" >appears to be running cleanups, but the others say: > > 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.71 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Checking lock, > resnam=FLQ_LOCK_ISDMNL_RQC > 4-JAN-2000 15:36:15.75 %FLQ_CLEANUP: Someone else is doing the cleanups. > Bye. > >Is this normal? Yes. >Can you manually run cleanup? Is it possible that >synchronize takes a long time and I am being impatient? It's possible that the cleanup can take a long time---especially if the queue is really full and you have messages coming in at the same time a cleanup is going on. You might try shutting down all the agents, then doing a QUEUE PURGE by hand, then restarting the agents. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:51:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:50:56 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000106145056.202000c1@process.com> Subject: Re: Queue Question wlukas@usgs.gov writes: > > >It looks like all my messages in the queue directories are no longer >"visible" to the FLQ_Manager/Router. I extended the queue again 3X and >mail is flowing again, but I don't see any of the old messages being moved. >Is there any way to get MX to recognize the stranded files in the queue? > You apparently had a corrupted queue. Now that you've fixed that, you can use (or try using) MX_REFEED or MX_REBUILD_QUEUE, but I think the latter was added in V5.0. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:15:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Spamming From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <3874f235$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 6 Jan 2000 20:51:17 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <38745551.C7D39E9C@aucotec.com>, Franz Doeringhoff writes: >I am using MX v4.2 with OpenVMS 7.1 on VAX system. >Since a few day's there is some who uses my mailserver as relay for >bad mail. How can i block him? Is there a way to allow only >registered users or something like that? MX 5.1-A is of course the recommend way. TCPware V5.4-3 is said to contain such features, too. Multinet and TCPIP V5.x (x >= 1) are said to get such features soon. And, as you need a TCPIP stack, in a few years it may be cheaper to omit MX. -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:02:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:55:43 +0100 (Central Europe Standard Time) From: Sipos Tibor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: LDAP-based login Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi, we have to make our three servers (Aix, Sun Solaris and VAX/VMS) to the users, that they can see only ONE server, the server they logged in. I know it could be done by an LDAP server and some Pluggable Authentication Module, but it exists only for Linux and Solaris. Is there any way to make this thing work under VMS 7.1? (I install an LDAP-server on a separate Linux-box, from which VMS takes the login names and passwords, makes the authentication from this LDAP-server, and so on...) Thanks for your help, Sipi _____________________________________________________________________________ Sipos Tibor Tel.: (52) 316-666/2564 KLTE ISZK H-4010 Debrecen E-Mail: siposti@delfin.klte.hu Egyetem tér 1. Pf. 58. _____________________________________________________________________________ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 02:20:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3875BEA6.FDC673D0@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:23:34 +0300 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: LDAP-based login References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I suggest to ask the MX Developers to introduce some call-out for authentication, in this case everyone can write LDAP,SYSUAF,Secure ID, Kerberos,RADIUS and so on auth modules. MadGoat Guys add my vote for this feaure! PS:In realy I suspect that using *ix stuff for keep authentication/authorization information is the big mistake: welcome to BUGTRAQ! Sipos Tibor wrote: > > Hi, > > we have to make our three servers (Aix, Sun Solaris and VAX/VMS) to the > users, that they can see only ONE server, the server they logged in. I > know it could be done by an LDAP server and some Pluggable Authentication > Module, but it exists only for Linux and Solaris. > > Is there any way to make this thing work under VMS 7.1? (I install an > LDAP-server on a separate Linux-box, from which VMS takes the login names > and passwords, makes the authentication from this LDAP-server, and so > on...) > > Thanks for your help, > > Sipi > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Sipos Tibor Tel.: (52) 316-666/2564 > KLTE ISZK > H-4010 Debrecen E-Mail: siposti@delfin.klte.hu > Egyetem tér 1. Pf. 58. > _____________________________________________________________________________ -- Regards. +.....................pure personal opinion..........................+ Free & commercial software for ISP -> HTTP://WWW.RadiusVMS.COM Cel:+7 (901) 971-3222, Fax:+7 (812) 115-1035 +.....................Kick ass VMS solution!.........................+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:56:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:55:29 +0100 (NFT) From: Sipos Tibor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: mx-list@madgoat.com Subject: Relay?!?!?! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Some days ago we've taken up to the ORBS black hole list database. We use MX5.1A, and raley is disabled in the SMTP server, but their test program shows that we ARE a relay. I loooked at the log file, and found the empty: message didn't sent, because relay is disabled. OK, now I want to try the local_domain and the inside_address features. 1. What is the exact syntax of LOCAL_DOMAIN? Our domain is KLTE.HU, and lots of people use Pegasus, Eudora or Netscape Mail to relay their messages thru TIGRIS.KLTE.HU (VAX VMS7.1). I wrote into LOCAL_DOMAIN the following domains: KLTE.HU .KLTE.HU *.KLTE.HU but neither works, when they try to send anything, it says: relay is disabled, message couldn't sent. I wrote into INSIDE_NETWORK: our IP (193.6.138.33), and two other big server using TIGRIS as a relay (Novell-servers running Mercury). If I don't write this into INSIDE..., we are relaying. If I write, we are not relaying, but our people can't send mail. So I think the problem is with the LOCAL_DOMAIN settings, but how can I write the correct values? Sipi ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 04:20:24 -0800 Message-ID: <806440E16578D31186A7009027B0FD9C9A54@KONG> From: "Jeffrey S. Jalbert" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" Subject: Pre-filtering mail to the list Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:18:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We are evaluating MX as a possible replacement for MajorDomo running on a Digital Unix box that is about to be retired. [No Unix-based replacement is anticipated.] On the lists we support via MajorDomo, we have pre-routed mail through procmail so we could filter out junk like the automatic replies that say "I'm going to be out of the office...etc." from going to the list and contaminating our in-boxes with stuff we don't want/need to see. Can someone point me at a way to accomplish this using MX? We are using an ancient Jensen running VMS 7.2-1 and are using the TCPIP stack that is embedded with the VMS distribution. TIA Jeff Jalbert JCC Consulting, Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 04:53:05 -0800 Sender: jtb@atm.com.pl Message-ID: <00Jan7.135212met.14339@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl> From: Jacek Tobiasz Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Relay?!?!?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:52:11 +0100 Sipos Tibor wrote: > > Hello, > > Some days ago we've taken up to the ORBS black hole list database. We use > MX5.1A, and raley is disabled in the SMTP server, but their test program > shows that we ARE a relay. I loooked at the log file, and found the > empty: message didn't sent, because relay is disabled. > > OK, now I want to try the local_domain and the inside_address > features. > > 1. What is the exact syntax of LOCAL_DOMAIN? Our domain is KLTE.HU, and > lots of people use Pegasus, Eudora or Netscape Mail to relay their > messages thru TIGRIS.KLTE.HU (VAX VMS7.1). I wrote into LOCAL_DOMAIN the > following domains: > KLTE.HU > .KLTE.HU > *.KLTE.HU 1st and 3rd lines seems to be OK, 2nd ? Do not like it. Look at docs, I am not using LOCAL_DOMAIN, so I am not an expert here :-) > but neither works, when they try to send anything, it says: relay is > disabled, message couldn't sent. Yes, it works ! LOCAL_DOMAIN specifies which domains are considered local in MX. So, MX will accept mails from everyone if destination is in LOCAL_DOMAIN and ... or better look at MCP HELP DEFINE LOCAL_DOMAIN MCP> help define local DEFINE LOCAL_DOMAIN The DEFINE LOCAL_DOMAIN command adds a domain name or pattern to the list of recognized "local" domains considered by the SMTP server when determining relay rejection. Format: DEFINE LOCAL_DOMAIN domain-name-or-pattern The LOCAL_DOMAIN list is only used when the SMTP server is set to reject "relayed" SMTP messages with SET SMTP/NORELAY_ALLOWED. A "relayed" message is one that originates on a remote system and is sent to another remote recipient, using your system as an intermediate relay. When the SMTP server is set /NORELAY_ALLOWED, it checks the envelope FROM and TO addresses, and if neither is local, refuses to deliver the message. By default, any host in your local domain (based on your TCP/IP host name and your MX host name) is considered "local". You may use this command to add other hosts or domains to this list. > I wrote into INSIDE_NETWORK: > our IP (193.6.138.33), and two other big server using TIGRIS as a relay > (Novell-servers running Mercury). That's the problem. List _all_ your IP subnets you consider local, all IP subnets that your users are using. This will specify from which IP range you accept messages with MAIL FROM: address in your domain. This prevents spoofing e-mails with your addresses. > If I don't write this into INSIDE..., we are relaying. If I write, we are > not relaying, but our people can't send mail. :-) i n last case only 3 IPs are allowed to send mails > > So I think the problem is with the LOCAL_DOMAIN settings, but how can I > write the correct values? Look at INSDIE_NETWORK. Regards Jacek ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:21:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:20:34 +0100 (NFT) From: Sipos Tibor Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Relay?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <00Jan7.135212met.14339@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > 1st and 3rd lines seems to be OK, 2nd ? Do not like it. Look at docs, > I am not using LOCAL_DOMAIN, so I am not an expert here :-) OK, but it says only: use a fully qualified domain name or a VMS-style wildcard pattern. But what kind of pattern is this VMS-style pattern? > That's the problem. List _all_ your IP subnets you consider local, all > IP subnets that your users are using. > This will specify from which IP range you accept messages with MAIL FROM: > address in your domain. Yeeeah, there are hundreds... from about 193.6.127.* about to 193.6.141.*. How could we use it? I saw the NETMASK qualifier, but how does it work? For example, I have to write in INSIDE_NETWORK all IP-numbers from the following three networks: 193.6.129.* 193.6.138.* 193.6.139.* What do I have to write in? Sipi ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:30:10 -0800 Sender: jtb@atm.com.pl Message-ID: <00Jan7.152634met.14344@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl> From: Jacek Tobiasz Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: Relay?!?!?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:26:32 +0100 Sipos Tibor wrote: > > > 1st and 3rd lines seems to be OK, 2nd ? Do not like it. Look at docs, > > I am not using LOCAL_DOMAIN, so I am not an expert here :-) > OK, but it says only: use a fully qualified domain name or a VMS-style > wildcard pattern. But what kind of pattern is this VMS-style pattern? % - one character * - 0-n characters RTFM http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc http://www.madgoat.com/mx/mx_mgmt_guide.html#heading_8.4 > > > That's the problem. List _all_ your IP subnets you consider local, all > > IP subnets that your users are using. > > This will specify from which IP range you accept messages with MAIL FROM: > > address in your domain. > Yeeeah, there are hundreds... from about 193.6.127.* about to > 193.6.141.*. How could we use it? I saw the NETMASK qualifier, but how > does it work? hundreds of IPs but not IP subnets ? :-) NETMASK ? do you know what netmask in IP world is ? 193.6.127.0/netmask=255.255.255.0 --- all IP addresses from 193.6.127.0 to 193.6.127.255 (exclude 0, 255 if you like) > For example, I have to write in INSIDE_NETWORK all IP-numbers from the > following three networks: > > 193.6.129.* > 193.6.138.* > 193.6.139.* > > What do I have to write in? 193.6.129.0/netmask=255.255.255.0 193.6.138.0/netmask=255.255.255.0 193.6.139.0/netmask=255.255.255.0 or if want you can aggregate some subnets in one entry 193.6.138.0/netmask=255.255.254.0 for last two entries. So, you can aggregate your IP subnets in a few entries. It's your homework :-) But you must understand netmasks concept first. Regards Jacek ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:47:30 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:47:25 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E3C63.85032271.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: Re: Relay?!?!?! >> This will specify from which IP range you accept messages with MAIL FROM: >> address in your domain. >Yeeeah, there are hundreds... from about 193.6.127.* about to >193.6.141.*. How could we use it? I saw the NETMASK qualifier, but how >does it work? It is logically ANDed with the address, and that result is compared against the network number in the configuration. >For example, I have to write in INSIDE_NETWORK all IP-numbers from the >following three networks: > >193.6.129.* >193.6.138.* >193.6.139.* > >What do I have to write in? If you want just those three networks, you would use DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 193.6.129.0/NETMASK=255.255.255.0 DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 193.6.138.0/NETMASK=255.255.255.0 DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 193.6.139.0/NETMASK=255.255.255.0 If you want to cover your entire block of networks, which appears to range from 193.6.128.0 through 193.6.146.255, you would use: DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 193.6.128.0/NETMASK=255.255.240.0 DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 193.6.144.0/NETMASK=255.255.255.0 DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 193.6.145.0/NETMASK=255.255.255.0 DEFINE INSIDE_NETWORK 193.6.146.0/NETMASK=255.255.255.0 The first entry would cover 193.6.128.0 through 193.6.143.255, and the others cover each of the other subnetworks. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:15:23 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:15:17 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: jeff@jcc.com Message-ID: <009E3C67.698E32BB.4@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Pre-filtering mail to the list >On the lists we support via MajorDomo, we have pre-routed mail through >procmail so we could filter out junk like the automatic replies that say >"I'm going to be out of the office...etc." from going to the list and >contaminating our in-boxes with stuff we don't want/need to see. > >Can someone point me at a way to accomplish this using MX? We are using >an ancient Jensen running VMS 7.2-1 and are using the TCPIP stack that is >embedded with the VMS distribution. You should be able to do this sort of thing through the use of some rewrite rules and the SITE agent. Something like: DEFINE REWRITE "" "" DEFINE REWRITE "" "" DEFINE PATH SITE_FILTER SITE/ROUTE=FILTER You would then have your SITE_DELIVER.COM procedure run your filter, and either throw away the message or feed it back in via MX_SITE_IN, changing the destination address to "" to get it to the list processor. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:21:09 -0800 Message-ID: <007001bf591e$37292ec0$d6001c7e@si.com> From: "Brian Tillman" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: CC: References: Subject: Re: LDAP-based login Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:48:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >we have to make our three servers (Aix, Sun Solaris and VAX/VMS) to the >users, that they can see only ONE server, the server they logged in. You'd be better served by asking this question in a VMS-oriented forum like comp.os.vms. Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:47:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:46:58 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-Support@MadGoat.com CC: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000107124658.202000cc@process.com> Subject: New version of MX-DIGEST available I have a new version of MX-DIGEST available. MX-DIGEST creates mailing list digests from MX lists. This version corrects a truncation problem with the volume information line. The original UNIX coder placed a limit on the size of the fields; creating a 3-digit volume number resulted in the issue number getting truncated. I've corrected the problem. Runs on both VAX and Alpha. You can find it on: ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/mx/contrib/mx-digest.zip ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mx-digest.zip And the various other mirrors. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:31:08 -0800 Message-ID: <38765BCC.64F7E03C@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 00:34:04 +0300 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Subject: Re: LDAP-based login References: <3875BEA6.FDC673D0@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi guys! I understood that Sibors had selected the wrong place for this question, but what MX people realy think about of my suggestions ? Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: > > Hi ! > > I suggest to ask the MX Developers to introduce some call-out for > authentication, in this case everyone can write LDAP,SYSUAF,Secure ID, > Kerberos,RADIUS and so on auth modules. > > MadGoat Guys add my vote for this feaure! > > PS:In realy I suspect that using *ix stuff for keep > authentication/authorization information is the big mistake: welcome to > BUGTRAQ! > > Sipos Tibor wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > we have to make our three servers (Aix, Sun Solaris and VAX/VMS) to the > > users, that they can see only ONE server, the server they logged in. I > > know it could be done by an LDAP server and some Pluggable Authentication > > Module, but it exists only for Linux and Solaris. > > > > Is there any way to make this thing work under VMS 7.1? (I install an > > LDAP-server on a separate Linux-box, from which VMS takes the login names > > and passwords, makes the authentication from this LDAP-server, and so > > on...) > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Sipi > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Sipos Tibor Tel.: (52) 316-666/2564 > > KLTE ISZK > > H-4010 Debrecen E-Mail: siposti@delfin.klte.hu > > Egyetem tér 1. Pf. 58. > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > -- > Regards. > +.....................pure personal opinion..........................+ > Free & commercial software for ISP -> HTTP://WWW.RadiusVMS.COM > Cel:+7 (901) 971-3222, Fax:+7 (812) 115-1035 > +.....................Kick ass VMS solution!.........................+ -- Regards. +.....................pure personal opinion..........................+ Free & commercial software for ISP -> HTTP://WWW.RadiusVMS.COM Cel:+7 (901) 971-3222, Fax:+7 (812) 115-1035 +.....................Kick ass VMS solution!.........................+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:23:45 -0800 Subject: MCP QUEUE SHOW Size field From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <387a06c0$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 10 Jan 2000 17:20:16 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU I was kind of suprised to find a mail in the queue (MCP QUE SHOW) which said "size: 155317068 bytes" because I thought I've an 10MB mailsize limit active. So I checked, and indeed, the limit is there and active. A further look showed that the MX_MGMT_GUIDE.TXT (of MX V5.1-A) states: o The Size field displays the size of the message. The size is calculated as the total number of bytes in the body of the message multiplied by the number of intended recipients of the message. Headers are not counted when computing the size of the message. This did obviously pass my eyes more than once without being noticed. This mail was intended to 92 recipients so all is (still) right and documented. Now I wonder, why is this "size" calculated this way ? I'd like to see the real size of the mail, too, and not only the amount of data intended to be sent out. What do you think ? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:25:43 -0800 Subject: MAILQUEUE and MCP QUEUE SHOW differences From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <387a236f$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 10 Jan 2000 19:22:39 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU I used today MAILQUEUE and MCP QUEUE SHOW (within a second or two) and stored the output for investigations. As I'm a privileged user, I expected to see all messages, only with a slightly different format. I was suprised to find 16 mails with MCP QUEUE SHOW and only 14 with MAILQUEUE. To check for finished mails or something like that, I did run the MCP QUEUE SHOW again. No difference to first run. MAILQUEUE didn't show two of the messages. Both Mails were IN-PROGRESS (just like all other) and "Origin: [SMTP]" (just like the others). And these two messages run on the same cluster node, as about half of the other mails. So, I've no idea. Do you ? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:17:36 -0800 Message-ID: <387A3034.3173D822@fre.fsu.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:17:08 -0500 From: Teresa Feck Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU Subject: Outgoing mail problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are using mx 4.2, ucx 5.0 and vms 7.1. Everything worked fine until I upgraded ucx from 4.1 to 5.0. Mail was not coming in until I did a set route 131.118.0.0 /gateway=131.118.95.254 within UCX. Now mail is not going out. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Teresa ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:29:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Outgoing mail problems From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <387a323f$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 10 Jan 2000 20:25:51 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <387A3034.3173D822@fre.fsu.umd.edu>, Teresa Feck writes: > We are using mx 4.2, ucx 5.0 and vms 7.1. Everything worked fine >until I upgraded ucx from 4.1 to 5.0. Mail was not coming in until I >did a set route 131.118.0.0 /gateway=131.118.95.254 within UCX. Now >mail is not going out. Any help would be greatly appreciated. "Adding a route" is fixing a TCPIP problem and not a SMTP/MX problem. Are you sure, you fixed all of your TCPIP problems the upgrade did introduce ? Or in other words, COMP.OS.VMS & VMSNET.NETWORKS.TCP-IP.UCX are better forums (or fori ?) for your questions (as long as you provide more info what particular problems you have and what messages you see). -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:02:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:02:32 GMT+1 From: "Michael Lemke, Sternwarte Bamberg, Phone: +49-951-9522216" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: ai26@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de Message-ID: <009E405B.D76D6066.13@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: helo (verification error) Can someone tell me what is happening when MX (version 4.2) processes the helo command? It seems that after reconfiguring of our upstream mailfeed (the relay that actually connects to the MX Alpha) they are receiving 250 Verification failed errors. All that's changed is that tehy are using a different server with a new name. We are using UCX 4.2 ECO 1 on AXP VMS 7.1-1H1 I can't find any nameserver errors (MX and A records) such that the Alpha couldn't resolve the new host (either way, name->IP and IP->name). Thanks for any help, Michael -- Michael Lemke Sternwarte Bamberg, University of Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany (lemke@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de) -- Michael Lemke Sternwarte Bamberg, University of Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany (lemke@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 06:41:37 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 06:41:31 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: ai26@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de Message-ID: <009E4050.864F7A9E.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: helo (verification error) >Can someone tell me what is happening when MX (version 4.2) >processes the helo command? It seems that after reconfiguring >of our upstream mailfeed (the relay that actually connects to >the MX Alpha) they are receiving > > >250 Verification failed > >errors. All that's changed is that tehy are using a different >server with a new name. We are using UCX 4.2 ECO 1 on AXP VMS 7.1-1H1 > >I can't find any nameserver errors (MX and A records) such that >the Alpha couldn't resolve the new host (either way, name->IP >and IP->name). It means that the host name presented in the HELO command does not resolve to the IP address of the connecting system. It's not really an error, though. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:23:55 -0800 Subject: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <387f31ed$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 14 Jan 2000 15:25:49 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU Since Outlook entered our company some years ago, I saw mails to users with the form "'user@domain.name'" MX never sent them out, because it could not DNS resolve the domain name. So, I thought: Ok. Users have to omit the single-quotes to get a valid (recipient) mailaddress entered. We surely can live with that. But now I see, that mails come in from the internet to recipients "'user@kapsch.net'" which MX then rejects (due to disabled relay). So I'm surprised and stuck. Is this a valid mail address specification ? If invalid, - why did the mail with such an address travel across the net to our mailserver without a problem ? - why did MX not reject the (internal to outside) mails at the time, when they are received from the Exchange server ? If valid, - what do I have to add to LOCAL_DOMAINs to avoid Anti-SPAM reject ? MCP>DEF LOCAL_DOMAIN "kapsch.net'" ??? - what do I have to make MX resolve the problem with DNS and send the mails out ? TIA -Peter PS: If more info is required, I've to enable debug to see, if these form of mailaddresses are only in the header or envelope or both. But first let's start with above... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:46:39 -0800 Message-ID: <62B6CB7C518AD311A2A00008C7F4A48F53DA6A@srv-1200.chaslevy.com> From: "Ferguson, Linwood" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:46:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Since Outlook entered our company some years ago, I saw mails to users >with the form > > "'user@domain.name'" > >MX never sent them out, because it could not DNS resolve the domain name. When I send from Outlook and use double quotes around the name, outlook takes them off for me automatically. That's Outlook 2000 running in the corporate version with an Exchange 5.5 server behind it (though I think it is Outlook that is stripping the quotes). Linwood Ferguson Ferguson@chaslevy.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:39:24 -0800 Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <387f7913@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 14 Jan 2000 20:29:23 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <62B6CB7C518AD311A2A00008C7F4A48F53DA6A@srv-1200.chaslevy.com>, "Ferguson, Linwood" writes: >>Since Outlook entered our company some years ago, I saw mails to users >>with the form >> >> "'user@domain.name'" >> >>MX never sent them out, because it could not DNS resolve the domain name. > >When I send from Outlook and use double quotes around the name, outlook >takes them off for me automatically. That's Outlook 2000 running in the >corporate version with an Exchange 5.5 server behind it (though I think it >is Outlook that is stripping the quotes). Ok. Let me correct it (the double quotes are from me for this posting only) 'user@domain.name' And I personally don't care, why and where Outlook creates it (because I'm not responsible for PC client support - but my colleagues surely want's to know it sometimes later when I nailed the problem to Outlook). Outlook may remove double quotes but adds sometimes/somewhere single quotes. I currently only want to know, are these valid mailaddresses in/for SMTP ? Don't think so. -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:58:44 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:58:12 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000114135812.202000c1@process.com> Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: > > 'user@domain.name' > >I currently only want to know, are these valid mailaddresses in/for SMTP ? >Don't think so. > No. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:20:52 -0800 Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <387f8162@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 14 Jan 2000 21:04:50 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <000114135812.202000c1@process.com>, Hunter Goatley writes: >eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: >> >> 'user@domain.name' >> >>I currently only want to know, are these valid mailaddresses in/for SMTP ? >>Don't think so. >> >No. Another confirmation. Thanks. But which chapter of which RFC should I slap around our exchange admins ears ? And to ask again: - why did the mail with such an address travel across the net to our mailserver without a problem ? - why did MX not reject the (internal to outside) mails at the time, when they are received from the Exchange server ? Any ideas ? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:25:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:24:52 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000114142452.202000c1@process.com> Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: > >But which chapter of which RFC should I slap around our exchange admins ears ? > RFC822, appendix D, is one place. >And to ask again: > > - why did the mail with such an address travel across the net to > our mailserver without a problem ? > Because it didn't really and something added it there? > - why did MX not reject the (internal to outside) mails at the > time, when they are received from the Exchange server ? > Sounds like the best thing to do is to enable MX_SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG and capture some of these things to see exactly what's coming in. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 06:58:11 -0800 Message-ID: <62B6CB7C518AD311A2A00008C7F4A48F53DA88@srv-1200.chaslevy.com> From: "Ferguson, Linwood" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:58:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My apologies in the below posting. I did not look closely enough and thought that your example only had double quotes (yes, I didn't even see the subject line). Outlook fails for me was well with a single quote enclosing it. I will note we use Outlook and Exchange with MX serving as our gateway to internet mail and I have never run across any addresses that look like this, so I recommend as someone else did that you find out where they originate. I don't think it is something native to Outlook (or at least doesn't need to be). Linwood -----Original Message----- From: Ferguson, Linwood [mailto:Ferguson@CHASLEVY.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 1:46 PM To: 'MX-List@MadGoat.com' Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames >Since Outlook entered our company some years ago, I saw mails to users >with the form > > "'user@domain.name'" > >MX never sent them out, because it could not DNS resolve the domain name. When I send from Outlook and use double quotes around the name, outlook takes them off for me automatically. That's Outlook 2000 running in the corporate version with an Exchange 5.5 server behind it (though I think it is Outlook that is stripping the quotes). Linwood Ferguson Ferguson@chaslevy.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:09:13 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:09:01 +0100 From: "Remi Jolin - Telintrans" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: remi.jolin@telintrans.fr Message-ID: <009E431C.D3C700DF.7@telintrans.fr> Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames And what about addresses like "tom.guivar'ch"@tele.com or tom.guivar'ch@tele.com Are they valid ?? If so, what is the syntax to issue such an address with the mx% mail interface? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:27:32 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:27:26 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: remi.jolin@telintrans.fr Message-ID: <009E4383.FBC6C5F8.2@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Problems with Single-Quotes in Mailnames >And what about addresses like > >"tom.guivar'ch"@tele.com >or >tom.guivar'ch@tele.com > >Are they valid ?? Yes. >If so, what is the syntax to issue such an address with the mx% mail interface? MX%"'tom.guivar\'ch'@tele.com" and MX%"tom.guivar\'ch@tele.com" respectively... at least with MX V5.0 and later. This should be documented in the User's Guide. Prior versions of MX had some problems with getting apostrophes into addresses through the VMS MAIL interface, if I remember correctly. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:16:28 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:16:43 -0600 From: hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM Message-ID: <009E452D.F69BC15E.15@uwwvax.uww.edu> Subject: error message: insuff_storage Can I conclude that the problem is at the far end and not on my alpha? Entry: 42, Origin: [SMTP] Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 1263 bytes Created: 18-JAN-2000 11:10:04.26, expires 17-FEB-2000 11:10:11.03 Last modified 18-JAN-2000 11:10:11.03 SMTP entry #4, status: READY, size: 1263 bytes, waiting for retry until 18-JAN-2000 11:25:22.88 Created: 18-JAN-2000 11:10:09.96, expires 17-FEB-2000 11:10:23.20 Last modified 18-JAN-2000 11:10:23.20 Recipient #1: , Route=setnet.net Error count=1 Last error: %MX_SMTP-W-INSUFF_STORAGE, action not taken: insufficient system storage Lyle Hunter T & IR University Wisconsin-Whitewater 414-472-1967 Fax: 414-472-5733 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:17:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:17:34 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <000118111734.202000c2@process.com> Subject: RE: error message: insuff_storage hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu writes: > >Can I conclude that the problem is at the far end and not on my alpha? > > Last error: %MX_SMTP-W-INSUFF_STORAGE, action not taken: insufficient system storage > Yep. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:06:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: Joyce Cogar Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'mx-list@madgoat.com'" Subject: outgoing mail fails with sts 00000294 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:01:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, sending mail to user at remote site using mx address syntax mx%"user@node" generates smtp debug log with following (xxx.xxx.edu substituted for actual host/domain) I can ping the site represented by xxx.xxx.edu 19-JAN-2000 13:38:55.81 SMTP_SEND: looking up host name xxx.xxx.edu 19-JAN-2000 13:39:15.82 SMTP_SEND: DNS_MXLOOK status is 00000001 19-JAN-2000 13:39:17.88 SMTP_SEND: Attempting to start session with xxx.xxx.edu 19-JAN-2000 13:39:17.90 -- failed, status=00000294 19-JAN-2000 13:39:17.90 SMTP_SEND: Failed, sts=00000294 19-JAN-2000 13:39:17.90 SMTP send failed, sts=0C27804A, sts2=00000294 1 also telnet xxx.xxx.edu 25 gives %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 999.999.999.999 (not real ip address) %TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host -SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected site has stopped and restarted mx mail all processies seem to be running 00002DB4 MX FLQ Manager HIB 5 19 0 00:00:00.12 195 363 000029B7 MX Router HIB 5 80 0 00:00:00.29 362 681 000029B8 MX Router#2 HIB 5 25 0 00:00:00.18 283 594 000029BA MX Local HIB 5 188 0 00:00:00.86 991 1438 00002FBD MX Local#2 HIB 5 26 0 00:00:00.23 289 624 000032BE MX Site Agent HIB 5 76 0 00:00:00.50 433 542 00002DC0 MX SMTP HIB 6 21 0 00:00:00.12 262 563 000030C3 MX SMTP#2 HIB 5 19 0 00:00:00.11 262 563 000028C4 MX SMTP Server HIB 4 147 0 00:00:00.42 440 736 000031C6 MX MLF HIB 4 17 0 00:00:00.10 212 444 Joyce Cogar USM Service Center jcogar@usmsc.edu P.O. Box 530 Voice: 301.464.6163 Bowie, Maryland 20718-0530 Fax: 301.464.6147 www.usmsc.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:18:42 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:18:38 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E45F7.656BDF55.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: outgoing mail fails with sts 00000294 > sending mail to user at remote site using mx address syntax >mx%"user@node" generates smtp debug log with following (xxx.xxx.edu >substituted for actual host/domain) I can ping the site represented by >xxx.xxx.edu [...] >also telnet xxx.xxx.edu 25 gives >%TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 999.999.999.999 (not real ip address) >%TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host >-SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected This means that the SMTP server at the remote site is not running, or at least is not accepting any connections. >site has stopped and restarted mx mail >all processies seem to be running At your site, or the remote site? If you mean at the remote site, and you can see the SMTP server process: >000028C4 MX SMTP Server HIB 4 147 0 00:00:00.42 440 then enabling debug logging in the SMTP server on that host might tell you what's going on. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:56:25 -0800 Message-ID: From: Joyce Cogar Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: "'MX-List@MadGoat.com'" Subject: RE: outgoing mail fails with sts 00000294 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:51:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Thanks - it took two more stops and starts of mcp but its working again, site had done ucx enable service smtp and had to disable that service thanks again Joyce > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Madison [SMTP:madison@MadGoat.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:19 PM > To: MX-List@MadGoat.com > Subject: RE: outgoing mail fails with sts 00000294 > > > sending mail to user at remote site using mx address syntax > >mx%"user@node" generates smtp debug log with following (xxx.xxx.edu > >substituted for actual host/domain) I can ping the site represented by > >xxx.xxx.edu > [...] > >also telnet xxx.xxx.edu 25 gives > >%TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 999.999.999.999 (not real ip address) > >%TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host > >-SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected > > This means that the SMTP server at the remote site is not running, or > at least is not accepting any connections. > > >site has stopped and restarted mx mail > >all processies seem to be running > > At your site, or the remote site? If you mean at the remote site, > and you can see the SMTP server process: > > >000028C4 MX SMTP Server HIB 4 147 0 00:00:00.42 440 > > then enabling debug logging in the SMTP server on that host might tell you > what's going on. > > -Matt > > -- > Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 > USA > madison@madgoat.com > http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:30:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:25:51 CDT From: J Kmoch Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-LIST@MADGOAT.COM CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <009E494F.5C473C20.7@whscdp.whs.edu> Subject: customizing the add message for a listserv I want to set up a listserv but this time I want a customized add message. I read the MLF_Guide throughout and on page 3-4 found what I think I'm looking for. I created my customized add message. I tried putting it in mx_root:[mlf.mailing_lists} and in the location where the archives reside. I named it exactly using the list name with _add_message.txt on the end. I tried adding a user with /add_message on the add message but keep getting an unknown command message. ; So...how do you name the message, where do you put it and how do you get it used? The Guide (V4.2) isn't much help, obviously, or I'm just blind to whatever is required. Thanks for your help. Joe -- Joe Kmoch Washington High School kmoch@whs.edu 2525 N. Sherman Blvd (414) 449-2765 (office) Milwaukee, WI 53210 (414) 444-9250 (fax) (414) 444-9760 (gen school phone) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:32:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:32:20 -0600 From: Hunter Goatley Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu Message-ID: <000123173220.202000c2@process.com> Subject: RE: customizing the add message for a listserv J Kmoch writes: > >I want to set up a listserv but this time I want a customized add message. I >read the MLF_Guide throughout and on page 3-4 found what I think I'm looking >for. I created my customized add message. I tried putting it in >mx_root:[mlf.mailing_lists} and in the location where the archives reside. I >named it exactly using the list name with _add_message.txt on the end. I tried >adding a user with /add_message on the add message but keep getting an unknown >command message. >; >So...how do you name the message, where do you put it and how do you get it >used? The Guide (V4.2) isn't much help, obviously, or I'm just blind to >whatever is required. > You just use /NOTIFY on the ADD command (that's the default, too): ADD/NOTIFY "Joe User" Use /NONOTIFY to prevent the ADD msg from being sent. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:36:42 -0800 Subject: Who is doing the FLQ Cleanup ? From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <388f2f76$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 26 Jan 2000 18:31:34 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU Who is normally doing the cleanup (deleting finished and cancelled mails) of the MX queue ? I thought *) FLQ Manager *) MX Router only if FLQ Manager is not there And I choose to have an FLQ Manager in MXCONFIG.COM. But today I saw: PID Node Process name Status Agent type -------- ------ --------------- ------------------ ------------ 37600242 MARS MX Router FLQ Cleanup Router agent 37800140 VENUS MX Router Idle Router agent ... 3760026C MARS MX SMTP Server Connected 4 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) 37800156 VENUS MX SMTP Server Connected 1 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) 37600241 MARS MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager Why ? Did I understand something wrong ? btw: Why is my MX FLQ Manager on VENUS dying shortly after startup with 23-JAN-2000 23:29:15.41: MX FLQ Manager (pid 3780013F) starting %MX-F-AGENTALRDY, agent MX_FLQ_MGR already running -SYSTEM-W-NOTQUEUED, request not queued -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:37:56 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:37:50 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E4B71.DB9B48A8.2@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Who is doing the FLQ Cleanup ? >Who is normally doing the cleanup (deleting finished and cancelled mails) >of the MX queue ? > >I thought > >*) FLQ Manager >*) MX Router only if FLQ Manager is not there > >And I choose to have an FLQ Manager in MXCONFIG.COM. >But today I saw: > > PID Node Process name Status Agent type >-------- ------ --------------- ------------------ ------------ >37600242 MARS MX Router FLQ Cleanup Router agent >37800140 VENUS MX Router Idle Router agent >... >3760026C MARS MX SMTP Server Connected 4 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) >37800156 VENUS MX SMTP Server Connected 1 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) >37600241 MARS MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager > >Why ? If the FLQ manager process is started after the Router process, or dies and restarts, the Router process will notice that no one is doing queue cleanup and become the queue cleaner. Once that election is made, it stays that way until the elected queue-cleaning process exits. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 02:02:36 -0800 Subject: RE: Who is doing the FLQ Cleanup ? From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <3890170a$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 27 Jan 2000 10:59:38 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <009E4B71.DB9B48A8.2@MadGoat.Com>, Matt Madison writes: >>Who is normally doing the cleanup (deleting finished and cancelled mails) >>of the MX queue ? >> >>I thought >> >>*) FLQ Manager >>*) MX Router only if FLQ Manager is not there >> >>And I choose to have an FLQ Manager in MXCONFIG.COM. >>But today I saw: >> >> PID Node Process name Status Agent type >>-------- ------ --------------- ------------------ ------------ >>37600242 MARS MX Router FLQ Cleanup Router agent >>37800140 VENUS MX Router Idle Router agent >>... >>3760026C MARS MX SMTP Server Connected 4 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) >>37800156 VENUS MX SMTP Server Connected 1 SMTP server (over TCP/IP) >>37600241 MARS MX FLQ Manager Idle MX FLQ manager >> >>Why ? > >If the FLQ manager process is started after the Router process, or dies and >restarts, the Router process will notice that no one is doing queue cleanup >and become the queue cleaner. Once that election is made, it stays that >way until the elected queue-cleaning process exits. Does not apply: $ w f$getj("37600241","logintim") 23-JAN-2000 20:55:31.44 $ w f$getj("37600242","logintim") 23-JAN-2000 20:55:31.58 Or do I have to amend MX_STARTUP.COM to add a WAIT between the startup of FLQ_MGR and ROUTER ??? Any idea to my btw ? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:02:45 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:02:39 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E4CE6.20F52A9D.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Who is doing the FLQ Cleanup ? >>If the FLQ manager process is started after the Router process, or dies and >>restarts, the Router process will notice that no one is doing queue cleanup >>and become the queue cleaner. Once that election is made, it stays that >>way until the elected queue-cleaning process exits. [...] >Or do I have to amend MX_STARTUP.COM to add a WAIT between the startup of >FLQ_MGR and ROUTER ??? You can if you like. I have noted your desire to have a stronger mechanism to ensure that the FLQ_MGR process performs queue cleanup, and will see about implementing such a mechanism in a future release. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 06:27:04 -0800 Subject: RE: Who is doing the FLQ Cleanup ? From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <38944950$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 30 Jan 2000 15:23:12 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <009E4CE6.20F52A9D.1@MadGoat.Com>, Matt Madison writes: >>>If the FLQ manager process is started after the Router process, or dies and >>>restarts, the Router process will notice that no one is doing queue cleanup >>>and become the queue cleaner. Once that election is made, it stays that >>>way until the elected queue-cleaning process exits. >[...] >>Or do I have to amend MX_STARTUP.COM to add a WAIT between the startup of >>FLQ_MGR and ROUTER ??? > >You can if you like. I have noted your desire to have a stronger >mechanism to ensure that the FLQ_MGR process performs queue cleanup, and >will see about implementing such a mechanism in a future release. Sounds good. Currently I have only one FLQ_MGR (which does no cleanup, though started in the normal way). FLQ_MGR on the other cluster manager dies (as I wrote) immediately. So, if cluster failover takes place, the MX_ROUTER of the other node takes over the cleanup. So, for me, it seems, there is no sense to have a FLQ_MGR at all. Is this suboptimal design, or do I've a MX config problem (too) ? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:09:16 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:09:10 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E4E9A.E5E709CE.1@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: Who is doing the FLQ Cleanup ? >Currently I have only one FLQ_MGR (which does no cleanup, though started >in the normal way). FLQ_MGR on the other cluster manager dies (as I wrote) >immediately. So, if cluster failover takes place, the MX_ROUTER of the >other node takes over the cleanup. So, for me, it seems, there is no >sense to have a FLQ_MGR at all. >Is this suboptimal design, or do I've a MX config problem (too) ? If you're going to run an FLQ Manager process, you might as well have it run on all nodes in your cluster. Note, however, that if you have auto-purge turned on, there's generally less need for an FLQ Manager anyway. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:40:22 -0800 Subject: RE: Who is doing the FLQ Cleanup ? From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <3894bd6c$1@news.kapsch.co.at> Date: 30 Jan 2000 23:38:36 +0100 To: MX-List@LISTS.WKU.EDU In article <009E4E9A.E5E709CE.1@MadGoat.Com>, Matt Madison writes: >>Currently I have only one FLQ_MGR (which does no cleanup, though started >>in the normal way). FLQ_MGR on the other cluster manager dies (as I wrote) >>immediately. So, if cluster failover takes place, the MX_ROUTER of the >>other node takes over the cleanup. So, for me, it seems, there is no >>sense to have a FLQ_MGR at all. >>Is this suboptimal design, or do I've a MX config problem (too) ? > >If you're going to run an FLQ Manager process, you might as well have >it run on all nodes in your cluster. Note, however, that >if you have auto-purge turned on, there's generally less need for >an FLQ Manager anyway. That was my impression, but: I wanted to run a FLQ_MGR on both nodes (but it dies on the 2nd). I wanted to let the FLQ_MGR instead of the MX_ROUTER do the cleanup (but I see MX_Router - sometimes ? - doing the cleanup). I didn't enable auto-purge (I want to have the 15min time for emergency). I don't see, what I did wrong and so I asked. -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Tel. +43 1 81111-2651 Network and OpenVMS system manager Fax. +43 1 81111-888 FBFV/Information Services E-mail eplan@kapsch.net <<< KAPSCH AG Wagenseilgasse 1 PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLAN A-1121 VIENNA AUSTRIA "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:31:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:27:19 -1300 From: "Hiromoto Shibahashi, Univ. of Tokyo" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com CC: shibahashi@dept.astron.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp Message-ID: <009E4F88.2030B308.3@dept.astron.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Subject: norelay_allowed We are using MX 5.1A running on a mixed cluster with VMS 6.2-1H3 and UCX 4.1. We have disabled the relay function by SET SMTP/NORELAY_ALLOWED and also enabled heuristic filters, including NULL_FROM by REJMAN. Neverthless, we have been pointed out that our system may relay SPAM mails with NULL FROM. I am wondering what is wrong in my setup. The following test-run % telnet myhost.mydomain smtp HELO hishost.hisdosmain MAIL From: nobody@myhost.mydomain RCPT To: her@herhost.herdomain DATA From: nobody@myhost.mydomain To: her@herhost.herdomain test . was relayed to her@herhost.herdomain via myhost.mydomain. MX_REJECTION_DATABASE.MXCNFG is as follows: MX version id is: MX V5.1-A Heuristic filter settings: Include reason header: NO Reject action: DROP Accept threshold: 0 Reject threshold: 6 No global heuristic exceptions defined. Heuristic filter NULL_FROM: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter NULL_TO: ENABLED, confidence level=6 Heuristic filter FROM_TO_SENDER_SAME: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter MSGID_HAS_TO: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter INVALID_AOL_ADDRESS: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter NUMERIC_ADDRESS: ENABLED, confidence level=7 Heuristic filter RECEIVED_AFTER_FROM: ENABLED, confidence level=4 Heuristic filter X_UIDL: ENABLED, confidence level=8 Heuristic filter NULL_MSGID: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter INVALID_HOTMAIL_ADDRESS: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter RECEIVED_ALL_ZEROS: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter UIDL_AUTH_SENDER: ENABLED, confidence level=10 Heuristic filter PRECEDENCE_BULK: ENABLED, confidence level=4 Heuristic filter MSGID_HAS_FROM: ENABLED, confidence level=10 MX_CONFIG.MXCFG file shows: MX version id is: MX V5.1-A Domain-to-path mappings: Domain="myhost.mydomain", Path=Local Domain="TKYAP5", Path=Local Domain="TKYAP6", Path=Local Domain="*", Path=SMTP Aliases: LocalName="Postmaster", Address="shibahashi@myhost" LocalName="POSTMAST", Address="shibahashi@myhost" SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Number of DNS failure retries: 12 Accounting: disabled Default router: (none) SMTP server settings: Allow VRFY commands: enabled Act as SMTP relay for any host: disabled [SHOW LOCAL_DOMAINS lists hosts] Validate sender's domain name: enabled Realtime Blackhole List check: disabled LOCAL agent settings: DECnet delivery retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. Multiple VMS Mail From: addresses allowed. Local delivery errors are not CC'ed to local Postmaster. Incoming quoted-printable MIME messages are decoded. EXQUOTA privilege is enabled during local deliveries. Top headers: FROM,SENDER,TO,RESENT_TO,CC,RESENT_CC,BCC,RESENT_BCC,MESSAGE_ID, RESENT_MESSAGE_ID,IN_REPLY_TO,REFERENCES,KEYWORDS,SUBJECT, ENCRYPTED,DATE,REPLY_TO,RECEIVED,RESENT_REPLY_TO,RESENT_FROM, RESENT_SENDER,RESENT_DATE,RETURN_PATH,OTHER Bottom headers: (none) ROUTER agent settings: Accounting: disabled Automatic percent-hack handling: enabled Sender header for outgoing VMS Mail messages: included if necessary JNET agent settings: Automatic percent-hack handling: enabled BSMTP replies: disabled Accounting: disabled Lenient about gatewaying mail: no No mailer username set. DECnet_SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. SITE agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 X25_SMTP agent settings: Retry interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Maximum number of retries: 96 Accounting disabled. MLF agent settings: Maximum recipients per message: NONE (no limit) Days of week to delay file server files: NONE No local domains defined. No inside networks/hosts defined. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hiromoto Shibahashi Department of Astronomy phone: +81.3.5841.4256 University of Tokyo fax: +81.3.5841.7644 Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113-0033 Japan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:16:47 -0800 From: "Esa Laitinen" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: Subject: RE: norelay_allowed Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:17:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <009E4F88.2030B308.3@dept.astron.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > No local domains defined. > > No inside networks/hosts defined. I believe local domains and inside networks needs do be defined. Yours, esa ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:24:37 -0800 Message-ID: <38959AE3.9E5E1573@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:23:31 +0300 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MX-List@MadGoat.COM Subject: SMTP Server maximum threads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ! What is real limits for the server threads? According to docs this value - 16. -- Cheers, +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+ Russia,Delta Telecom JSC, Cel: +7 (901) 971-3222 191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 116-3222 Fax: +7 (812) 115-1035 +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm + ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:53:34 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:53:29 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E4F40.58321EE2.3@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: SMTP Server maximum threads > What is real limits for the server threads? According to docs this value - 16. There is no fixed limit set in the SMTP server code itself. However, if you start increasing the number of threads beyond the documented limit, make sure that you watch the SMTP server's process quotas carefully; they will likely need some adjustment. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:57:12 -0800 Sender: madison@MadGoat.Com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:57:07 -0800 From: Matt Madison Reply-To: MX-List@MadGoat.com To: MX-List@MadGoat.com Message-ID: <009E4F40.DA05F29A.15@MadGoat.Com> Subject: RE: norelay_allowed >We are using MX 5.1A running on a mixed cluster with VMS 6.2-1H3 and UCX 4.1. >We have disabled the relay function by SET SMTP/NORELAY_ALLOWED and also >enabled heuristic filters, including NULL_FROM by REJMAN. Neverthless, we >have been pointed out that our system may relay SPAM mails with NULL FROM. [...] You must configure the INSIDE_NETWORK list in order to fully prevent relays. -Matt -- Matthew Madison | MadGoat Software | PO Box 556, Santa Cruz, CA 95061 USA madison@madgoat.com http://www.madgoat.com