Thanks to all. We finally figured out what we had done wrong -- we had the
new drive in rrz9, NOT 10!! (Yes, we do have two controllers). I warned you,
it was stupid!
I received many, many useful suggestions. Dr. Tom Blinn, our faithful DEC
contributor, was the one who figured it out. Thankfully, we saved some face
by figuring it out before we heard from Dr. Blinn (our internet connection
was down, so we couldn't get messages, but could still play with our Alpha).
In the interest of helping someone with disk drive problems who is searching
the archives, I have included the answers below as a trouble-shooting guide.
Thanks to all who contributed:
Charles C. H. Jui" <jui_at_phoebe.physics.utah.edu>
alan_at_nabeth.cxo.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Dr. File System's Home for Wayward
Inodes.)
"Nagaraja, Raja" <Raja.Nagaraja_at_actew.com.au>
Jim Palfreyman <jim_at_orac.ecc.tased.edu.au>
chu_at_musp0.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Eugene Chu)
schuenem_at_rz5.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (Andreas Schuenemann)
John Welsh <John.W_at_integrand.com.au>
c753330_at_nlzcl1.decnet.philips.nl (Alex Kok)
Boddy Bill NTSE <Bill.Boddy_at_nts.hl.siemens.de>
Eric Bennett <bennett_at_hpl.umces.edu>
Alan John Lovell <Alan.Lovell_at_cern.ch>
J. Shane Kennedy <osf_at_python.corning.com>
Erik Persson <erik_at_lysator.liu.se>
"Raymond A. Browder" <browder_at_det.dec.com>
Oisin McGuinness <oisin_at_sbcm.com>
"Carlos Dagnino M" <carlos.dagnino_at_consorcio.cl>
"Dr. Tom Blinn, 603-881-0646" <tpb_at_zk3.dec.com>
Hernando Barragan <damian_at_mox.uniandes.edu.co>
Best Regards,
Sheryl
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From: "Charles C. H. Jui" <jui_at_phoebe.physics.utah.edu>
To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Cc: alpha-osf-managers_at_ornl.gov
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
>
> ./MAKEDEV rz10
> MAKEDEV: special file(s) for rz10:
> rz10a rrz10a rz10b rrz10b rz10c rrz10c rz10d rrz10d rz10e rrz10e rz10f
rrz10f rz
> 10g rrz10g rz10h rrz10h
I believe the "rz" device type is for SCSI devices. And
the "10" refers to a SCSI device ID the disk drive is set to.
"Normal" SCSI devices can have ID from 0 to 7. So unless you have some
very special hardware, you must be mistaken about the device ID
Charlie Jui
Physics, U. of Utah
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:12:55 -0600
From: alan_at_nabeth.cxo.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Dr. File System's Home for
Wayward Inodes.)
To: campbell_at_lvc.edu
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
Are you sure the drive is on bus 1, target 2? See what scu(8)
has to say:
# scu show edt bus 1
# scu
set nexus bus 1 target 2 lun 0
sho device
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From: "Nagaraja, Raja" <Raja.Nagaraja_at_actew.com.au>
To: "'Sheryl A. Campbell'" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: RE: Adding a disk drive
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:22:13 +1000
You have to use the following command:
disklabel -rw /dev/rz10 rz29
You have to specify the disk model.
Raja
Raja Nagaraja
Canberra, ACT Australia
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:22:19 +1000
From: Jim Palfreyman <jim_at_orac.ecc.tased.edu.au>
Organization: Information Technology Branch
To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
References: <2.2.16.19970710151635.4bdf52c0_at_mail.lvc.edu>
Have you built it into your kernel???
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:40:20 -0700
From: chu_at_musp0.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Eugene Chu)
To: campbell_at_lvc.edu
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
Did you add the device entry into the system configuration file in /sys/conf
and rebuild the kernel? The other way to do it is to boot up from the
generic kernel and have it do an autoconfig and create a new configuration
file and rebuild a new kernel. (I assume you must already know that rz10
means that the disk should be set to target ID 2 on the second SCSI bus.)
good luck,
eyc
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To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 09:03:48 -0000
From: schuenem_at_rz5.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de
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High, Sheryl,
you wrote:
% ROOT admin::/dev> disklabel -rw rz10 scratch1
disklabel: /dev/rrz10a: No such device or address
I would think it should look like this:
% ROOT admin::/dev> disklabel -rw rz10c rz29
^
Hope this will help you.
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day ...
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From: John Welsh <John.W_at_integrand.com.au>
To: "'campbell_at_lvc.edu'" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: adding disk to Alpha.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:35:39 +1000
Hi Sheryl,
You are almost there!
The correct use of the disklabel command is:
disklabel -rw /dev/rrz10a rz28
disklabel -e rz10 ! to list the partition
table on the disk.
Then newfs the partition/s you want to use (c for
the whole disk or a selection of others to split
the disk into "segments").
newfs /dev/rz10c
Create a mount point: mkdir /usrx
mount the disk: mount /dev/rz10c /usrx
Enter the mount command into the /etc/fstab file for
automounting on boot up.
The last parameter in the disklabel command must
be a recognised disk type from the /etc/disktab
file.
best regards,
John Welsh.
Engineering Manager
Integrand Solutions.
275 Alfred St.
North Sydney. 2060. Australia.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 07:57:39 GMT
From: c753330_at_nlzcl1.decnet.philips.nl (Alex Kok)
To: "campbell_at_lvc.edu"_at_NLZMS.decnet.philips.nl
Cc: C753330_at_nlzcl1.decnet.philips.nl
Subject: RE: Q: Adding a disk drive
Try
# scu show edt
(possibly followed by | grep -v "(not present)" )
to find out the correct scsi address, then use MAKEDEV to create the right ones.
Regards,
Alex Kok.
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From: Boddy Bill NTSE <Bill.Boddy_at_nts.hl.siemens.de>
To: "'Sheryl A. Campbell'" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: RE: Adding a disk drive
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:12:18 +0100
Can you connect to the drive via SCU ?
# scu -f /dev/rrz10c
scu> show device
regards,
Bill Boddy
Siemens Microelectronics
Newcastle
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:22:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Bennett <bennett_at_hpl.umces.edu>
To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
Are you sure the device you've created matched the scsi id of the new drive?
You've created the /dev entry for bus 1 target 2. What does
scu scan edt lun 0
tell you?
Eric B.
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Sender: lovell_at_axosf1.cern.ch
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:46:51 +0200
From: Alan John Lovell <Alan.Lovell_at_cern.ch>
Organization: CERN
To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
References: <2.2.16.19970710151635.4bdf52c0_at_mail.lvc.edu>
Hi,
The new drive is almost certainly not included in the kernel
configuration file - "/sys/conf/<machinename>". You will have to
edit this file to add the new drive and then rebuild the kernel
using "doconfig -c <machinename>". You can look in the file
"/sys/conf/GENERIC" for examples or use the command "sizer" to
generate a new file.
Best Regards,
Alan
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:15:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: alpha-osf-manager email acct <osf_at_python.corning.com>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
To: campbell_at_lvc.edu (Sheryl A. Campbell)
did you add the device to the kernel
you can boot the generic kernel to see how it specifies the device
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To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
References: <2.2.16.19970710151635.4bdf52c0_at_mail.lvc.edu>
From: Erik Persson <erik_at_lysator.liu.se>
Date: 11 Jul 1997 14:17:20 +0200
Lines: 48
As long as you haven't added the disk to a new controller Digital Unix
should be very able to probe and register any new drives on an known
controller. I guess that a defective drive also might get disabled
upon boot and produce this kind of confusedness. So much for natural
causes.
If the above requirements are met, I cannot think about very many
options in the "stupid" category, but here's one:
Are you sure that this drive gets recognized as rz10 and not somethnig
else? With MAKEDEV you can create device files for anything - even if
isn't even present on the system.
Take a look at (the end of) /var/adm/messages and you should probably
find the answer to that and to the question of wether the disk gets
recognized at all.
Bye,
/Erik
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From: "Raymond A. Browder" <browder_at_det.dec.com>
To: "'Sheryl A. Campbell'" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Cc: "'Raymond Browder'" <browder_at_det.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Adding a disk drive
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:22:49 -0400
Hi Sheryl,
You gave the command as:
disklabel -rw rz10 scratch1
I've believe it should be:
disklabel -rw /dev/rrz10c rz29
That should work.
Ray
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To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
cc: oisin_at_sbcm.com
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:48:06 -0400
From: Oisin McGuinness <oisin_at_sbcm.com>
X-Mts: smtp
You don't say what kind of alpha, or what version of the OS. Versions 3.2
require adding lines to the kernel config file to see drives; versions 4.x
will dynamically
recognize the disk on boot and do the MAKEDEV for you.
Also, if you're using a StorageWorks array, sometimes they are in a split
bus mode, where
the numbers are not what one expects....
If you send me the console level stuff, and the uerf -R output showing
the boot messages, I can offer more ideas, perhaps half-baked :-)
Oisin McGuinness
Sumitomo Bank Capital Markets
277 Park Avenue
New York NY 10172
USA
(212)-224-4913, email: oisin_at_sbcm.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 09:14:48 PST
From: "Carlos Dagnino M" <carlos.dagnino_at_consorcio.cl>
Encoding: 104 Text
To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
Hi Sheryl:
After the disk instalation you have to define the device in
/sys/conf/HOST file and run doconfig -c HOST command. Copy the new
vmunix created at /sys/HOST directory to / (root) and reboot with
shutdown -r now.
If you want to create file systems you can do it with :
disklabel -er rz10 command.
To create filesystems use :
newfs /dev/rrz10c rz29 command (rrz10c is an example to create c
partition )
To mount the filesystem you have to create the mount point directory,
for example, mkdir alpha; and finally mount /dev/rz10c /alpha
command.
Oh, something else! ... you have to include the new filesystems in
/etc/fstab file to mount them at future reboots.
I hope this be helpful for you.
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To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 09:07:41 -0400
From: "Dr. Tom Blinn, 603-881-0646" <tpb_at_zk3.dec.com>
X-Mts: smtp
> Help! What are we missing? We've added drives before ... it's got to be
> something stupid! Please, pull us out of this mire of despair!! Okay, that's
> a little melodramatic, but ... hey, what's a little fun between all these
> gray hairs!!
Everything you've done looks right.
What version of Digital UNIX?
What does # file /dev/rrz10a tell you?
What does # file /dev/rrz10c tell you?
If you're running V4.0x, when you booted the system, did it find the disk at
that address during probe? That is, was the device reported in the list of
devices?
And rz10 would be on your second SCSI bus -- do you have two controllers?
Are there any other devices on that controller that work? If this is a wide
drive, you need to understand that even with wide drives, all the drives
have to be at unit numbers below 8 -- only 0-7 work, if you've got a wide
drive set to a higher unit number, Digital UNIX won't be able to find it or
use it, even if the console sees it.
Tom
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:53:15 -0500 (GMT-0500)
From: Hernando Barragan <damian_at_mox.uniandes.edu.co>
Subject: Re: Q: Adding a disk drive
To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>
Hi, i think you must include the new drive on the kernel configuration
file and then rebuild it, which OS version do you have?
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