Hey all,
Here is the data collected for 24 hrs with 30 mins interval starting from
18:00.
1) Output of vmstat
Wed Sep  3 18:17:10 EDT 2003
Virtual Memory Statistics: (pagesize = 8192)
  procs    memory         pages                          intr        cpu
  r  w  u  act  free wire fault cow zero react pin pout  in  sy  cs  us  sy
id
 12 615 38  234K  90K 188K 719M 148M 243M  29M 161M   3M 917  8K  8K  49  15
36
 10 572 37  222K 103K 187K 305K  75K 103K  199  74K    0 795  9K 11K  65  22
13
  8 568 38  220K 106K 187K 700K 211K 194K    1 190K    0 862  7K  8K  33  14
52
  6 565 38  219K 108K 186K 202K  37K  87K  373  50K    0 923  6K  8K  38  13
49
 12 570 38  219K 100K 193K 347K  72K 136K    4  86K    0  1K  9K 10K  51  20
29
 15 587 41  225K  91K 196K 202K  37K  85K   13  46K    0 896  9K  8K  42  17
41
  6 575 38  220K  98K 194K 185K  36K  71K    0  39K    0 808  6K  6K  22  11
67
  6 596 38  222K 100K 191K 152K  33K  57K    0  33K    0 852  3K  3K  11   5
84
  7 612 39  223K  99K 190K 125K  25K  50K    1  26K    0 960  5K  7K  30  12
58
  6 625 39  228K  98K 187K 131K  27K  49K  152  29K    0  1K  4K  5K  18   8
75
  8 620 39  227K  92K 193K 252K  63K  88K   28  61K    0  1K  5K  7K  30  12
58
  7 601 38  225K  91K 196K 129K  25K  48K    5  27K    0  1K  6K  7K  32  13
55
 20 630 39  230K  96K 187K 149K  33K  61K    5  32K    0 658  9K  9K  47  17
35
  8 623 39  229K  98K 185K  97K  19K  39K    1  20K    0 587  8K 11K  52  18
30
 15 653 39  231K  96K 185K 126K  26K  52K   16  26K    0 545  9K 13K  59  22
20
 14 687 38  209K 109K 195K 130K  24K  56K    0  25K    0 500 11K 14K  61  27
13
 11 718 39  213K 105K 195K  91K  18K  37K    0  18K    0 547 12K 15K  66  26
8
 11 735 39  217K 102K 194K  81K  15K  36K    0  14K    0 551 24K 13K  59  39
2
 17 752 38  225K 100K 188K 116K  25K  47K    0  22K    0 518 23K 12K  60  38
2
 14 760 38  241K  74K 197K  66K  13K  25K    0  12K    0 598 10K 14K  67  26
7
 24 689 39  199K 117K 196K 121K  25K  49K    1  25K    0 485 11K 13K  67  28
5
Virtual Memory Statistics: (pagesize = 8192)
  procs    memory         pages                          intr        cpu
  r  w  u  act  free wire fault cow zero react pin pout  in  sy  cs  us  sy
id
 19 668 38  195K 126K 192K  88K  18K  35K    4  18K    0 391 10K 12K  72  24
4
 20 684 40  234K  81K 197K  97K  19K  39K    0  18K    0 530  8K 10K  73  22
5
 20 748 40  247K  69K 197K 191K  34K  76K    0  44K    0 648  9K  9K  74  22
4
 17 717 39  239K  79K 194K 254K  57K 103K    0  65K    0 548  9K 10K  74  22
4
 20 713 38  243K  77K 193K 122K  23K  53K    3  25K    0 503  8K 10K  74  19
6
 25 761 38  254K  66K 193K 204K  37K  88K    0  44K    0 466  9K 10K  74  19
7
 15 889 39  269K  45K 199K 214K  39K  89K  551  47K    0 373  9K 10K  73  19
8
 18 970 38  292K  26K 195K 198K  35K  87K    2  37K    0 466  9K 10K  75  19
6
 20 1029 38  301K  19K 193K 279K  56K 111K    1  63K    0 512 10K 10K  78
21   2
  9 1177 38  318K 6237 188K 391K  80K 156K 1361  82K    0 982  9K  9K  74
18   8
 13 1278 38  320K 1106 192K 338K  56K 150K 128K  65K 8135 791  8K  8K  71
17  13
 17 1358 38  317K 2193 194K 370K  60K 157K 109K  85K  10K 762  9K  8K  70
17  13
 12 1374 38  319K  213 194K 425K  85K 161K  51K 105K 5217 905 32K  8K  62
19  19
 10 1333 38  320K 1127 192K 566K 129K 200K  62K 138K 4260  1K135K  9K  56
29  16
  8 1347 39  308K  121 205K 598K 109K 261K 189K 140K  42K  1K144K  5K  37
29  34
  8 1356 38  269K  42K 201K   1M 269K 321K  229 282K    0  1K143K  8K  46
31  23
  7 1342 38  296K  17K 199K 261K  45K  99K  159  67K    0 785126K  4K  24
20  56
  7 1379 38  313K 2734 197K 378K  80K 138K  489  92K    0 799147K  6K  37
25  38
  7 1419 38  310K  138 202K 366K  72K 142K 102K  86K 7231  1K147K  6K  39
27  34
  8 1389 40  313K  185 200K 336K  63K 128K  20K  78K 2137 816149K  7K  39
27  34
 14 1370 40  313K  226 200K 213K  36K  90K  39K  50K 3251 725147K  3K  25
21  54
Virtual Memory Statistics: (pagesize = 8192)
  procs    memory         pages                          intr        cpu
  r  w  u  act  free wire fault cow zero react pin pout  in  sy  cs  us  sy
id
  7 1353 38  310K  16K 186K 364K  74K 140K  46K  87K 4436 444134K  5K  31
25  44
  6 1293 38  309K  16K 187K 343K  79K 122K    5  83K    0 630135K  3K  24
22  53
  8 1230 38  296K  15K 202K 450K  91K 168K   84 108K    0 800146K  8K  46
30  24
  5 1049 38  287K  30K 195K 514K 109K 190K 1509 127K    0 736 21K 14K  43
23  34
  5 818 40  258K  56K 199K 481K 108K 168K 1240 123K    0  3K  9K 13K  38  24
38
  8 639 38  234K  84K 194K 557K 138K 185K   27 145K    0 764  7K  6K  23  12
65
2) O/P of vmstat -w:
Wed Sep  3 18:16:15 EDT 2003
Virtual Memory Statistics: (pagesize = 8192)
  procs      memory         pages                intr        cpu
  r   w   u  act  free wire fault cow  pin pout  in  sy  cs  us  sy  id
iowait
  9 627  38  235K  89K 188K 719M 148M 161M   3M 917  8K  8K  49  15  36    0
  7 583  38  223K 102K 188K 343K  88K  84K    0 785  9K 11K  65  22  13    0
  6 578  38  220K 105K 187K 675K 205K 183K    0 862  7K  8K  34  14  52    0
 13 558  38  219K 108K 186K 226K  43K  56K    0 925  7K  8K  38  13  48    1
 10 573  38  219K 100K 193K 347K  72K  86K    0  1K  9K 10K  51  20  29    0
  9 604  39  226K  90K 196K 203K  37K  47K    0 926  8K  8K  43  17  39    1
  6 577  38  220K  98K 194K 185K  36K  39K    0 816  7K  6K  23  12  65    1
  8 600  38  222K  99K 192K 149K  32K  32K    0 820  3K  3K  11   5  84    0
  6 618  38  224K  99K 190K 130K  27K  27K    0 954  5K  7K  30  12  58    0
  7 626  38  228K  98K 187K 131K  27K  29K    0  1K  4K  5K  17   8  74    0
  9 620  39  227K  94K 192K 252K  63K  61K    0  1K  5K  7K  30  12  57    0
  8 610  39  227K  90K 196K 127K  25K  26K    0  1K  6K  7K  31  13  55    1
 14 639  38  230K  95K 187K 150K  33K  32K    0 651  9K  9K  47  17  36    0
  7 638  38  230K  97K 186K  97K  20K  20K    0 592  8K 11K  52  18  30    0
 13 652  38  231K  97K 185K 126K  25K  26K    0 546  9K 13K  58  22  20    0
 14 685  38  209K 109K 195K 131K  24K  25K    0 501 11K 14K  61  26  13    0
 12 715  37  212K 106K 194K  91K  18K  18K    0 546 12K 15K  66  26   8    0
 13 734  38  216K 102K 194K  81K  15K  14K    0 553 23K 13K  59  39   2    0
 22 746  38  225K 100K 188K 116K  25K  22K    0 514 23K 12K  60  38   2    0
 18 761  38  241K  74K 197K  66K  13K  12K    0 600 10K 14K  67  26   7    0
 18 682  38  198K 119K 196K 116K  24K  24K    0 486 11K 13K  67  28   6    0
Virtual Memory Statistics: (pagesize = 8192)
  procs      memory         pages                intr        cpu
  r   w   u  act  free wire fault cow  pin pout  in  sy  cs  us  sy  id
iowait
 15 671  38  195K 126K 192K  93K  18K  19K    0 397 11K 12K  72  24   4    0
 17 687  39  234K  81K 197K  96K  19K  18K    0 523  8K 10K  73  22   5    0
 16 753  38  247K  69K 197K 191K  34K  44K    0 647  9K  9K  74  22   4    0
 16 729  38  240K  78K 195K 244K  56K  62K    0 551  9K 10K  74  23   4    0
 15 717  38  242K  77K 193K 133K  25K  28K    0 506  8K 10K  74  19   6    0
 16 770  38  254K  66K 193K 202K  37K  43K    0 462  9K 10K  74  19   7    0
 18 886  39  269K  45K 199K 215K  39K  48K    0 378  9K 10K  73  19   8    0
 21 963  39  291K  27K 195K 197K  35K  37K    0 461  9K 10K  75  19   6    0
 21 1026  40  300K  20K 193K 274K  55K  61K    0 519 10K 10K  78  21   1
0
 16 1147  38  316K 8822 188K 388K  79K  82K    0 978  9K  9K  74  18   7
0
 11 1277  38  318K 2433 192K 344K  57K  66K 8135 796  8K  8K  71  17  12
0
 19 1364  39  319K  270 194K 366K  59K  83K  10K 752  9K  8K  69  17  13
0
 12 1364  38  318K 1091 194K 424K  85K 106K 5244 881 29K  8K  62  19  19
0
  8 1338  38  320K  653 192K 537K 119K 130K 4249  1K135K  9K  56  28  15
0
  8 1355  41  308K  212 205K 629K 120K 147K  40K  1K145K  5K  38  29  32
1
 11 1359  38  269K  42K 201K   1M 269K 285K 2120  1K143K  8K  46  30  24
0
  6 1342  38  295K  18K 199K 249K  44K  65K    0 765126K  4K  25  20  55
0
  6 1365  38  309K 6243 197K 362K  74K  88K    0 797147K  6K  37  25  37
0
  8 1409  39  310K  654 203K 354K  70K  82K 6562  1K147K  6K  39  27  34
0
  7 1374  38  312K  820 200K 357K  69K  85K 2209 845148K  7K  39  27  34
0
  6 1379  39  314K  125 199K 231K  39K  53K 2876 726148K  3K  25  21  53
0
Virtual Memory Statistics: (pagesize = 8192)
  procs      memory         pages                intr        cpu
  r   w   u  act  free wire fault cow  pin pout  in  sy  cs  us  sy  id
iowait
 10 1354  38  310K  17K 186K 351K  72K  85K 5408 446134K  5K  31  25  44
1
  8 1298  38  307K  18K 187K 350K  80K  84K    0 630134K  3K  24  22  53
0
 11 1226  38  294K  17K 202K 407K  79K  98K    0 768145K  8K  45  30  25
0
  8 1057  38  285K  32K 196K 497K 102K 120K    0 754 25K 14K  44  23  33
0
 13 829  40  259K  54K 199K 545K 128K 140K    0  3K  9K 13K  38  24  37    1
  9 670  38  236K  82K 194K 478K 114K 122K    0 816  7K  6K  23  12  64    1
3) O/P of iostat:
Wed Sep  3 18:17:58 EDT 2003
      tty     fd0      rz8      rz8      rz8     cpu
 tin tout bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  us ni sy id
   5  408   0   0   48   5  335  18  237   7  28 20 15 36
   3  791   0   0   24   3   25   2   12   1  50 15 21 14
   4 1070   0   0   28   4   32   3   18   2  15 18 14 53
   6 1472   0   0   31   5   23   2   25   2  19 20 13 48
   7 1689   0   0   37   6   35   3  318  31  23 29 20 29
   8 1821   0   0  112   9 1814  74  316  30  21 20 17 42
   4  941   0   0   70   6 2701  74   47   5   9 12 11 68
   3  654   0   0   20   2   50   4   12   1   5  6  5 83
   2  626   0   0   18   2   20   2    7   1  12 18 12 58
   3  817   0   0   20   3   31   3   10   1   9  8  8 75
   3  727   0   0   22   3  116  12   15   2  14 17 12 57
   3  712   0   0   58   5 2663  70   35   4  15 17 13 55
   1  219   0   0   21   3   37   3   41   2  19 29 18 34
   0   15   0   0   16   2   26   3    9   1  21 31 18 30
   0   35   0   0   19   3   22   2   12   1  24 35 22 19
   0  107   0   0   25   5  223  25  157  18  23 37 26 13
   0   21   0   0   18   3   21   1    9   1  24 42 27  7
   0    4   0   0   18   2  232   5   12   1  21 38 39  2
   0   12   0   0   44   3  223   6   22   1  23 38 37  2
      tty     fd0      rz8      rz8      rz8     cpu
 tin tout bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  us ni sy id
   0   52   0   0   18   2  191   7    6   1  27 40 26  7
   0   65   0   0   20   3  331  38   24   2  27 40 28  5
   1  172   0   0   19   3   19   2   39   4  30 42 24  4
   0   52   0   0   91   6 1727  68  282  27  27 46 22  5
   3  661   0   0   66   7 3011 110   57   5  27 48 22  4
   3  703   0   0   28   5  344  39   40   4  24 50 22  4
   1  278   0   0   21   3   13   1   21   2  24 50 19  7
   4  864   0   0   34   5   18   2   39   3  24 50 19  7
   3  790   0   0   24   4   14   1   23   2  23 49 19  8
   6 1203   0   0   25   4   14   1   42   3  24 51 20  6
  12 2330   0   0   32   5   28   2   88   3  29 48 21  2
  13 2721   0   0   32   5   43   3   96   4  27 47 18  8
  17 3109   0   0   84   9   68   5   38   3  34 36 17 13
  17 3331   0   0  112  11   96   7   44   3  29 41 18 12
  14 3277   0   0   83  10   69   6   33   3  30 31 19 20
  18 3786   0   0   73   9   68   6   37   3  39 16 29 16
  16 3229   0   0  282  20  710  21   70   4  28  9 28 35
  15 2869   0   0   94  12   97  10   40   4  26 20 31 23
  12 2369   0   0   48   6   52   6   21   2  17  8 20 56
      tty     fd0      rz8      rz8      rz8     cpu
 tin tout bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  us ni sy id
  11 2090   0   0   49   7   41   4   28   3  23 15 25 38
  15 2805   0   0   79   9  387  44   45   5  25 14 27 34
  18 2966   0   0   59   8   53   5   31   3  23 15 27 35
  14 3020   0   0   50   6   97  10   23   2  19  6 21 54
  11 2704   0   0   65   8   97  10  117   4  20 11 25 44
  10 2247   0   0   36   5   35   3   23   2  18  7 22 53
  13 2541   0   0   55   7   53   5   28   3  26 20 30 24
  14 2947   0   0   58   8   63   6   36   3  24 20 22 34
  12 2153   0   0  133  11 2708  91   61   6  22 16 24 38
  12 2159   0   0   50   7  143  15   38   3  14  9 12 65
>From the above it looks CPU IDLE is very low at some times.
Man is a heroic bieng with his own happiness as
 moral purpose of life, with productive achievement
as the noblest activity & reason as his only absolute
-----Original Message-----
From: Himanshu Khona [mailto:himanshu.khona_at_patni.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:16 PM
To: 'Himanshu Khona'; 'tru64-unix-managers_at_ornl.gov'
Cc: 'Stephen. Kurel (E-mail)'; 'Dr Thomas.Blinn_at_HP.com'
Subject: RE: Performance analysis of tru 64 unix system alpha 2000 with
O.S.4.0D ..update.
H
Also attaching the swapon -sv output:
Swap partition /dev/rz8b:
    Allocated space:       255891 pages (1999MB)
    In-use space:           55717 pages ( 21%)
    Free space:            200174 pages ( 78%)
Swap partition /dev/rzb8b:
    Allocated space:       259042 pages (2023MB)
    In-use space:           54849 pages ( 21%)
    Free space:            204193 pages ( 78%)
Swap partition /dev/rzd11b:
    Allocated space:       212281 pages (1658MB)
    In-use space:           55531 pages ( 26%)
    Free space:            156750 pages ( 73%)
Total swap allocation:
    Allocated space:       727214 pages (5681MB)
    In-use space:          166097 pages ( 22%)
    Available space:       561117 pages ( 77%)
The messages file says the swap is configured in lazy mode. Do i need to do
any
modifications to my swap if that would help boost my performance.
At some points pageouts look high & also disk activity looks high.
Unfortunately i had asked the concerned person to get me data with time
stapms which he didn
't. I shall try to get the data with time stamps. And has also asked to run
collect for different subsystems.
FOr now, incase anybody has some comments to make, or wants any additional
information do let me know.
I shall summarize my findings at the end of assessment.
Thanks,
Himanshu
Man is a heroic bieng with his own happiness as
 moral purpose of life, with productive achievement
as the noblest activity & reason as his only absolute
-----Original Message-----
From: tru64-unix-managers-owner_at_ornl.gov
[mailto:tru64-unix-managers-owner_at_ornl.gov]On Behalf Of Himanshu Khona
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:04 PM
To: tru64-unix-managers_at_ornl.gov
Cc: 'Stephen. Kurel (E-mail)'; 'Dr Thomas.Blinn_at_HP.com'
Subject: Performance analysis of tru 64 unix system alpha 2000 with
O.S.4.0D ..Some more details.
Hi all,
Thanks to Dr Thomas Blinn for his quick response/inputs.
>From the mail below i realise some lack of details from my end.
Here is what the actual problem is:
appear to have various issues that have a mixed cause and effect.
        1) Sometimes batch processing is very slow yet on-line
                transactions work fine.
        2) Sometimes batch processing is very good yet on-line
                transactions are slow.
        3) Sometimes everything is poor.
Sometimes the box is low on memory, sometimes it appears to be low
or at least struggling with swapping.
Problems with the tape environment (Legato NSR) always cause sever
performance degradation.
Also it may be true that my approach may be wrong.
 Also i don't intend to waste anyone's time. Just that there is some lack of
experience as far as performance analysis is concerned.
I hope the above problem statements help in getting me better response.
Also the enviroment is:
. Baan Version:
   Baan IV c4 with SP7, Porting set 6.1c.05.02 on
      Live server 6.1c.06 on development
. How they take back of Informix.
Ontape or onbar?
Onbar controlled by legato NSR
. Tru 64 alpha 2000 with 4gb RAM & 4 CPU.
. Informix 7.3.fc5 (database size 118GB  ).
So the problem could lie at System, Baan or informix level. So probably it
would be daunting task.
Also the only need of asking the below questions was just to co-relate those
values against time & proccesses which are creating a resource crunch.
Regards
Himanshu
Man is a heroic bieng with his own happiness as
 moral purpose of life, with productive achievement
as the noblest activity & reason as his only absolute
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr Thomas.Blinn_at_HP.com [mailto:tpb_at_doctor.zk3.dec.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:23 PM
To: Himanshu Khona
Cc: Stephen. Kurel (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Performance analysis of tru 64 unix system alpha 2000 with
O.S.4.0D
You are going at this all backwards.  You seem to be assuming that you
can gather some system statistics and then guess whether there is some
performance problem.  You have never once indicated that you have ANY
kind of external indication that there is some problem that you need to
address.
For instance, high load averages at some point in time simply mean you
are presenting more work to the system than you have CPUs and other
resources (mostly CPU) to get done at that instant.  That in and of
itself is NOT a problem; a problem is if users are complaining that
during times of high load average, the system is unresponsive, or if
the work that needs to get done in a given time window isn't getting
done because you lack the resources to do it.
Similarly, high swap in numbers don't necessarily point to a problem
that needs to be addressed -- it depends tremendously on the nature of
the workload presented to the system.
Do you have some EXTERNAL evidence that there is some problem with this
system that needs to be addressed?  Because without that evidence (which
NONE of these statistics provide), you are off on a wild goose chase and
wasting your time and the time of your respondents.
Putting this another way, what problem are you trying to solve?  This is
a system that was built maybe 4 or 5 years ago, it's outmoded technology,
you are running old (and no longer supported by the vendor) system software
and you've offered no hint about what the system is used for, and you are
off trying to figure out from system statistics if the system has some
kind of performance problem?
Tom
> Hi all,
>
> With reference to the above subject we have collected(some information we
> are yet to collect) virtual memory statics, process sub system, I/O
> sub-system.
> The enviroment if Tru 64 ver 4.0d with 4gb RAM & 4 CPU's of 533Mhz
> What i want to know from the list is the thresholds which i should look
for
> which if exxceeded points to performance problem.
>
> The headers are as follows:
>
> System Load:
> 14:46  up - days, 22:28,  -- users,  load average: a,b,c
>
> What should be the threshold values for the load averages?
>
> Process sub system;
> USER        PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY      S    STARTED         TIME
> COMMAND
>
> I would like to know what should be the thresholds of above fields which
> would point to the problem(like CPU, memory, SWAP etc)?
>
> Virtual Memory sub system:
>
> procs    memory         pages                          intr        cpu
>   r  w  u  act  free wire fault cow zero react pin pout  in  sy  cs  us
sy
> id
>
> AS above for this also i would like to know what should be the thresholds
of
> above fields which would point to the problem?
>
> I/O Sub-system:
>
>       tty     fd0      rz0      rz1      dk3     cpu
>  tin tout bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  bps tps  us ni sy id
>
> AS above for this also i would like to know what should be the thresholds
of
> above fields which would point to the problem?
>
> Swap:
> Allocated space:
>     In-use space:
>     Free space:
>
> AS above for this also i would like to know what should be the thresholds
of
> above fields which would point to the problem?
> Thanks in advance. I shall summarize.
>
> Regards
> Himanshu
>
>
> Man is a heroic bieng with his own happiness as
>  moral purpose of life, with productive achievement
> as the noblest activity & reason as his only absolute
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Himanshu Khona [mailto:himanshu.khona_at_patni.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:03 PM
> To: 'tru64-unix-managers_at_ornl.gov'
> Subject: Summary: Finding out current firmware level?
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to so many people for quick response.
>
> The general consensus was:
> 1) consvar -g version.
> 2) grep Firmware /var/adm/messages
>
> Regards
> Himanshu
>
> Man is a heroic bieng with his own happiness as
>  moral purpose of life, with productive achievement
> as the noblest activity & reason as his only absolute
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tru64-unix-managers-owner_at_ornl.gov
> [mailto:tru64-unix-managers-owner_at_ornl.gov]On Behalf Of Himanshu Khona
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: tru64-unix-managers_at_ornl.gov
> Subject: Finding out current firmware level?
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> How can i know the current firmware level from the command prompt?
> Like we have eeprom command in solaris( i am sorry to mention solaris but
> that is what i have worked on till now).
>
> Thanks in advance
> Himanshu
>
> Man is a heroic bieng with his own happiness as
>  moral purpose of life, with productive achievement
> as the noblest activity & reason as his only absolute
>
Tom
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