-- ####################################################################### # # # # Hans Ullitz-Moeller # Phone: + 45 89 42 28 46 # # Centre Leader # or: + 45 86 13 97 84 # # BioBase # # # Ole Worms Alle, Building 170 # Telefax: + 45 86 13 11 60 # # Aarhus Universitet # E-Mail: hum_at_biobase.dk # # DK-8000 Aarhus C DENMARK # WWW: http://biobase.dk # # # # ####################################################################### # The Danish EMBnet Node # ####################################################################### ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:11 EST From: KPOOTS_at_gects.ge.com (Kent Poots \(416\)491-9318, Systems Support _at_SYS$UPDATE:rebuild_the_kernel) To: campbell_at_lvc.edu Subject: RE: Upgrades X-VMS-To: SMTP%"campbell_at_lvc.edu" 2 cents worth: Just make sure you do complete backups and understand how to restore to your original system state. I still get burned on this every once in awhile. Make sure you have the right PAKs. Did you talk to the vendor of your applications (ie your database) ? They may have some insight into certain upgrade steps, database manipulation requirements, etc, etc. Be patient when Murphy's Law gives you a hand ! Good luck with it. Kent Poots GE Capital Technology Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Jon Buchanan <Jonathan.Buchanan_at_ska.com> To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu> Cc: a628115_at_provolone.dszrh.ska.com Subject: Re: Upgrades Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 07:55:55 +0200 X-Mts: smtp Hello Sheryl, Since you included your FAX number in your mail I'll FAX you a checklist that I use for Digital UNIX upgrades. Hope it helps. Regards, Jon Buchanan, Zuerich, Switzerland [ Jonathan.Buchanan_at_ska.com ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:04:48 -0300 X-Sender: jhunter_at_mailserv.mta.ca To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu> From: jhunter_at_mta.ca (John T. Hunter) Subject: Re: Upgrades Hi Sheryl, You wrote: >Hi OSF Managers and those in Datatel-land! > >Friday is the big day in which we make our upgrade from Digital Unix 2.0b to >v3.2c/d. We were also lucky enough to find out late last week (better then >than on Friday!) that it will be necessary to upgrade our RDBMS to Unidata >v3.3.2 from v3.1.5b. > We are in the exact same boat. Our upgrade will take place within a month, but a date has yet to be set. Could you be so kind as to forward any responses to get to your questions? I'm not sure of my plan of attack on this yet, but from what I've heard it's a fairly straight forward procedure. The only problem I can forsee is if/when we hit a snag/bug, should we look at it as a unix/unidata/datatel problem. The first thing I'm going to check is the accessability of our dynamic files. We've waited this long to upgrade, because of the bugs Unidata was sorting out with reguard to dynamic file structures. Hopefully all is well :-) >What I'm looking for from all of you is the benefit of your collective >experiences with both Unix and Unidata upgrades...what should I be on the >lookout for? I have been pouring through release notes, upgrade manuals, >searching the internet and [hopefully!] have found out all that I need to >know. However, I recognize it would be foolish not to pose the question to >the experts before finalizing my upgrade notes. > Upgrade notes? You wouldn't happen to have these on-line? I'm begging here, can you tell? >Words of wisdom? Mixed drink recipes? Creative headache remedies? > Maybe you should pass these along as well ;-) >Thanks for your expertise! Thanks for yours! Let me know how it goes! -John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 08:43:00 -0500 From: John Neighbors <johnn_at_dbu.edu> Sender: John Neighbors <johnn_at_dbu.edu> Organization: Dallas Baptist University To: campbell_at_lvc.edu (Sheryl A. Campbell) Cc: info-datatel_at_calvin.edu Subject: re: Upgrades >0100Date: 3-Jun-96 15:40:13 -0500 >From: CAMPBELL _at_ INTERNET (Sheryl A. Campbell) {campbell_at_lvc.edu} >To: ALPHA-OS _at_ INTERNET {alpha-osf-managers_at_ornl.gov}, INFO-DAT _at_ INTERNET {info-datatel_at_calvin.edu} >0010Subject: Upgrades > >Hi OSF Managers and those in Datatel-land! > >Friday is the big day in which we make our upgrade from Digital Unix 2.0b to >v3.2c/d. We were also lucky enough to find out late last week (better then >than on Friday!) that it will be necessary to upgrade our RDBMS to Unidata >v3.3.2 from v3.1.5b. > >What I'm looking for from all of you is the benefit of your collective >experiences with both Unix and Unidata upgrades...what should I be on the >lookout for? I have been pouring through release notes, upgrade manuals, >searching the internet and [hopefully!] have found out all that I need to >know. However, I recognize it would be foolish not to pose the question to >the experts before finalizing my upgrade notes. > >Words of wisdom? Mixed drink recipes? Creative headache remedies? > >Thanks for your expertise! > > Sheryl > Sheryl, Here's a bit of info regarding our UniData upgrade from 3.1.5b to 3.3.2 which occurred back in January of this year: (NOTE: I don't at all take credit for knowing beforehand to do most of this. Lots of info was gathered up front from Chuck Everett and others. :-) . Be prepared to call or e-mail UniData regarding re-licensing the silly thing. . We performed an 'update' install which simply wrote over the existing 3.1.5b. . When running updatevoc, we used option '-A' which traversed our whole tree structure updating any VOC files found. . Some of the potential gotchas in updated VOC entries include: FIRST, CP, TAPE & CF. Investigate BEFORE and AFTER doing the upgrade. . We created SAVEDLISTS of all our VOC files PRIOR to running updatevoc. Then, did likewise AFTER running updatevoc. Lastly, used LIST.ALGEBRA to compare the two. Our results where roughly as follows: 15 records were added to all MAIN accounts. We investigated and ended up leaving these additions. 253 records were added to all USER remote accounts. We investigated and ended up DELETING all these additions. For our first such upgrade, I was relatively pleased with the ease and success. It took us about 4 hours in all. Actually about 30-45 minutes to do the upgrade. The rest of the time was my meticulously detailed follow-up, investigation and testing. :-) HTH! John Neighbors, Director of Computing Services <>< Dallas Baptist University Internet: johnn_at_dbu.edu 3000 Mountain Creek Parkway Voice: (214) 333-5155 Dallas, TX 75211 Fax: (214) 333-5164 COLL 13.6 BEN 4.2 (TEST) Unidata 3.3.2 RS/6000-C10 AIX 3.2.5 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:39:36 -0400 (EDT) From: <miotke_at_mms.water.ci.detroit.mi.us> To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu> Subject: Re: Upgrades The rule of thumb we work under is that you need to call Unidata to get their blessings when you port/install or when doing anything with Unidata. Unfortunately the person who did this previously, has left the company, so we need to find out details again. We're interested in any gotchas you find out. We are currently planning to move from an Alpha 3000 to a 2100 and we're running Unidata 3.1.5b, the gotcha we know about is to call Unidata to get access to just port from one box to the other. It seems we were notified just in time to call Unidata and it saved us a lot of grief. Please post us if you can. Thanx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___ ___ ____ /__\\ /__\\ /____\ Harvey Miotke Jr. // //_ // Detroit Water & Sewerage Dept. // \__\ // __ 303 S.Livernois //__// //__// //___// Detroit, Michigan 48209 \__omputer \__ervices \___roup (313) 297-9213 FAX (313) 297-9429 miotke_at_mms.water.ci.detroit.mi.us ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 08:11:23 -0700 From: Marlene Domoney <mdomoney_at_cariboo.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Upgrades X-Sender: mdomoney_at_cariboo.bc.ca To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu> Hi Sheryl I am currently running Digitial Unix 3.2c and Unidata 3.3.2 . My machine is relatively new so I've never had to upgrade from DU 2.0 but I have upgraded within the DU 3.2 level a couple of times. In addition I moved from Unidata 3.1.5 . All of this went very smooth -- except for the problems I created for myself! (I had a problem with the Unix kernel that was causing Unidata parameters to be set incorrectly - just inexperience with Unix!). On the Colleague side, the upgrade of Unidata was totally uneventful - i.e. it worked the first time with no fiddling! My big problem was with Advfs on Unix when I installed Unidata for the first time. I was not aware that Unidata needed the root, /bin and /??? to be UFS not Advfs file system. So I had created all my partitions using Advfs and then when I tried to install Unidata, I found I had to reconfigure to UFS. If this is of interest to your situation, I can look up which files Unidata requires to be on UFS. Hope your upgrade goes well. P.S. If you get any good recipes, don't forget to share them. <grin> At 04:40 PM 6/3/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi OSF Managers and those in Datatel-land! > >Friday is the big day in which we make our upgrade from Digital Unix 2.0b to >v3.2c/d. We were also lucky enough to find out late last week (better then >than on Friday!) that it will be necessary to upgrade our RDBMS to Unidata >v3.3.2 from v3.1.5b. > >What I'm looking for from all of you is the benefit of your collective >experiences with both Unix and Unidata upgrades...what should I be on the >lookout for? I have been pouring through release notes, upgrade manuals, >searching the internet and [hopefully!] have found out all that I need to >know. However, I recognize it would be foolish not to pose the question to >the experts before finalizing my upgrade notes. > >Words of wisdom? Mixed drink recipes? Creative headache remedies? > >Thanks for your expertise! > > Sheryl > ========================================================================= Marlene Domoney Phone: (604) 828-5326 Acting Director, Computer Services Fax: (604) 828-5328 The University College of the Cariboo Kamloops, BC email: mdomoney_at_cariboo.bc.ca ========================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments: Authenticated sender is <rowens_at_mail.fvcc.cc.mt.us> From: rowens_at_fvcc.cc.mt.us Organization: Flathead Valley Community College To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu>, info-datatel_at_calvin.edu Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:48:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Upgrades Priority: normal On 3 Jun 96 at 16:40, Sheryl A. Campbell <campbell_at_lvc.edu> wrote: > Hi OSF Managers and those in Datatel-land! > > Friday is the big day in which we make our upgrade from Digital Unix > 2.0b to v3.2c/d. We were also lucky enough to find out late last > week (better then than on Friday!) that it will be necessary to > upgrade our RDBMS to Unidata v3.3.2 from v3.1.5b. > > What I'm looking for from all of you is the benefit of your > collective experiences with both Unix and Unidata upgrades...what > should I be on the lookout for? I have been pouring through release > notes, upgrade manuals, searching the internet and [hopefully!] have > found out all that I need to know. However, I recognize it would be > foolish not to pose the question to the experts before finalizing my > upgrade notes. Sounds like you've looked in all the right places. > Words of wisdom? Mixed drink recipes? Creative headache remedies? Dunno how wise these are, but they've worked for us: * Make 2 (yes, 2) full backups of your system. It wouldn't hurt to verify that the backups are good, too! :) * Threaten mayhem if anyone disturbs you while you're working, then close the office door. A sound card and some spooky audio files can help inspire people to keep that door closed. * Estimate the time it will take to do the upgrades, then double that. If you're lucky, you'll be done in half the time allocated, and everything will fly. If you run into snags, you'll have time to fix 'em before the users start asking "Is it up yet?". * Cookies! (Or candy, or doughnuts, or... etc.) Such fare makes upgrades go easier. HTH, and good luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Rick Owens <rowens_at_fvcc.cc.mt.us> | This message delivered Comp. Op. Tech (aka admin. sysop) | courtesy of the ESAE Flathead Valley Community College | (Electronic Sled-dog Kalispell, MT | Association of Earth). #include <std-disclaim.h> | Woof! ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 08:38:41 CDT From: "H. Blakely Williford" <blakew_at_mlm.fuller.com> Subject: Re: Upgrades To: campbell_at_lvc.edu X-VMS-Mail-To: UUCP%"campbell_at_lvc.edu" |Friday is the big day in which we make our upgrade from Digital Unix 2.0b to |v3.2c/d. We were also lucky enough to find out late last week (better then |than on Friday!) that it will be necessary to upgrade our RDBMS to Unidata |v3.3.2 from v3.1.5b. | |What I'm looking for from all of you is the benefit of your collective |experiences with both Unix and Unidata upgrades...what should I be on the |lookout for? I have been pouring through release notes, upgrade manuals, |searching the internet and [hopefully!] have found out all that I need to |know. However, I recognize it would be foolish not to pose the question to |the experts before finalizing my upgrade notes. 1) contact the support teams of each product; tell them what you are doing and when you are going to do it. Ask if they have any gotch-ya's on file that you need to know about. 2) make backup's that you are willing to bet your life on that they are good; because you may have to. <grin> 3) it never hurts to pray to what ever god/God/or gods that you beleve in; or that will listen <grin> (sorry i just had to put that one in) |Words of wisdom? Mixed drink recipes? Creative headache remedies? 1) Cranbarry jello shots 2) peeled cherry soaked over night in voka make the perfect bloody marry |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% |% Sheryl A. Campbell Internet: campbell_at_lvc.edu % |% Assistant Director Voice: (717)867-6060 % |% Administrative Computing FAX: (717)867-6019 % |% % |% L E B A N O N V A L L E Y C O L L E G E % |% % |% Never underestimate the power of a smile! % |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -----------------+-- that is good advice too when doing this too. +--------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ |H. Blakely Williford | Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully | |Systems Administrator | as when they do it from religious conviction. | |The Fuller Brush Company | - Pascal | +--------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:52:24 -700 (PDT) From: Gerry MacKinnon <gmackinn_at_capcollege.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Upgrades To: "Sheryl A. Campbell" <campbell_at_lvc.edu> On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Sheryl A. Campbell wrote: > Hi OSF Managers and those in Datatel-land! > Friday is the big day in which we make our upgrade from Digital Unix 2.0b to > v3.2c/d. We were also lucky enough to find out late last week (better then > than on Friday!) that it will be necessary to upgrade our RDBMS to Unidata > v3.3.2 from v3.1.5b. > > What I'm looking for from all of you is the benefit of your collective > experiences with both Unix and Unidata upgrades...what should I be on the > lookout for? I have been pouring through release notes, upgrade manuals, > searching the internet and [hopefully!] have found out all that I need to > know. However, I recognize it would be foolish not to pose the question to > the experts before finalizing my upgrade notes. > Words of wisdom? Mixed drink recipes? Creative headache remedies? > Thanks for your expertise! > Sheryl Sheryl - I've had lots of fun in that area recently. We got a new Alpha 2000 4/233 last Oct. 3/95. Couldn't install the latest o/s at the time , v3.2c as Datatel/Unidata wouldn't gaurantee that Unidata 3.3.2.15 would run on it, so we had to get our supplier to install o/s v3.0b, if they could find a copy. Then of course this wouldn't work with the new PCI controller card so they had to install an EISA card. In early Nov./95 Unidata had a new version, 3.3.2.16, which would run o/s v3.2c. So I did the undiata and o/s upgrade on the same day. For being new to Digital Unix, Unidata and Datatel it was, umm well, an experience. Actually the Unidata install went fairly easily following the manual. The trouble came when I got to the 'updatevoc' section. Don't use the '-A' option to traverse all user remote accounts, just run it in the main remote accounts. The o/s upgrade went fairly smoothly also, except it somehow changed the type of ethernet connection we had. As we have no terminals and everyone logs on to the system via ethernet this could have been a big deal, except we still hadn't gone 'live', and most users were at a local Datatel Users Group Conference. We didn't go live until this April 1st. Bewteen Oct.2/95 and going live we have had one o/s upgrade, a unidata upgrade, a hardware upgrade (finally got to put our PCI card in - which took DEC 3 trips to get it in right!), and 3 Colleague upgrades! For all those the unidata was the easiest and the o/s was the next easiest to do. So, my advice is: - for unidata - avoid 'updatevoc -A', just add new voc items to your user remote accounts if you really need them. - for Digital unix - if you do not have access to your network afterwards check that your 'ewa0_mode' has not been changed. You check it from the '>>>' prompt on the console when you first start the Alpha. Just type 'show ewa0_mode'. It will either say it is 'aui' or 'twisted-pair'. Good luck! Gerry Gerry MacKinnon | email: gmackinn_at_capcollege.bc.ca Computer Support Services | voicemail: (604) 983-7570 local 2548 Capilano College | voice: (604) 984-4952 North Vancouver, B.C. | fax : (604) 984-1795 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Sheryl A. Campbell Internet: campbell_at_lvc.edu % % Assistant Director Voice: (717)867-6060 % % Administrative Computing FAX: (717)867-6019 % % % % L E B A N O N V A L L E Y C O L L E G E % % % % Never underestimate the power of a smile! % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%Received on Fri Jun 07 1996 - 22:19:21 NZST
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