SUMMARY: Connecting Alphas to an IBM Shark??

From: <jbecker_at_wildhorses.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:36:46 -0700 (PDT)

-----Original Message-----
My customer wants to connect my Alphas to a Shark. It
looks like a minefield of compatibility issues -- does
anyone have any experience with this?
(For those of you who don't know, Compaq and IBM have a
storage alliance -- we (Compaq) resell the Shark.)

Thanks to Hugh Pritchard, James Kurtenbach, LHERCAUD
from France, Alan Davis, Dan Harrington, Walter North,
Barry Kiesinger, Paul Kitwin, James Kurtenbach, Mike
Fulce, Andrew Shinn, and Alan from DEC for some great
answers.

Alan Davis, Dan Harrington, and Paul Kitwin all pointed
out
http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/products/ess/supserv
er.htm#1
with some additional notes, such as that Tru64 5x isn't
supported but 4x is.

Here's some good news: some people are using it with
Tru64 5.x despite the "unsupported" nature. (See below
for responses.)

Thanks again for the great responses!!

Sincerely,
Jamie Becker
Sr. Consultant
Compaq Computer Corp.
Jamieson.Becker_at_Compaq.com

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It works pretty easily.
We just plug it in and it works.  No patches needed or 
drivers needed.
We are running 4.0F and 5.1
There are differences in the number of devices you will 
be able to see.
under 4.0x and using a differential scsi card like the 
standard qlogic
you will get 7 targets and 8 luns (ie 56 disks per scsi 
channel).
With 5.x and the qlogic you get 7 targest and 16 luns 
(supposedly)
With a hsz70 connected to the shark (which I haven't 
tried) you get
15 targets and 16 luns according to Compaq.  (and v5.x)
However alpha + shark is not my choice, if I had gotten 
to make the
decision I would have gotten a storageworks from compaq 
or a hitachi.
If you use the shark it does not have failover unless 
you
have clustered alphas in which case you can fake it, 
nor does it
have load balancing.  Plus you have to take the shark 
down for
certain patches etc.  And for those you don't, you will 
still have
to take down the systems due to lack of fail over for 
the alphas.
Further the configuration of the arrays/disks uses a 
pretty clunky
interface so it is a pain to set up, and as for 
monitoring the
tools, they pretty much suck in my opinion.
Once you configure a virtual volume you you cannot 
deconfigure it
and put it back in the raid pool.  You have to 
reinitalize the entire
array set.
But, once we got it set up we have not had any problems 
other then
the initial teething problems as we got one at the very 
beginning 
and had both rs6000 mother boards flake out on us.
It is even a pain to attach and use with IBMs own 
rs6000.  In my
opinion, shark is still an immature product that is 
about 3 years
behind the rest of the storage world.
Walter North
---
It works fine.  They configure the shark for NT and the 
ALPHA UNIX sees it as a
JBOD device.  I have a DS20E running 4.0F.  I also have 
a AS4000 running 4.0d
connected to the pre shark VSS storage.
Barry
--
 
I know that IBM has done some work on getting the Shark
usable on Tru64 UNIX.  I booted up a V4.0F or V4.0G
standalone system that had access to a Shark and for
some pretty simple stuff it behaved fine.  Hardly a
qualification, but a better start than "the machine
burst into flame and everybody died".
Alan (from Digital)
-- 
I have no experience with the shark (too expensive for 
us... >$200k).  But
do with the hsg80 based solutions which IBM markets as 
MSS (Modular Storage
System).
I hooked up the HSG80 to an AIX machine with no 
problem.   The IBM version
was considerably more expensive.    The main 
issue/problem is whether the
system will boot from an array volume.  AIX won't.
James Kurtenbach
 
--
We are in the process of connecting 2 unix based alphas 
(AS4100 via scsi and GS80 via fiber)
plus about 7 other non-alpha servers (NT/intel, 
linux/intel and AIX/IBM) to a Shark.
Should be completed in about 2 weeks.  I'll let you 
know how it goes.
Mike Fulce
--
i've never seen anyone successfully do it with fibre 
channel.. but i have
seen people do it with those DLC 'router' boxes that 
convert scsi into fibre
channel.. little external boxes.
Andrew Shinn
Received on Mon Apr 30 2001 - 16:37:00 NZST

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